---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/31/10: 57 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:00 AM - Re: antenna (Jack Phillips) 2. 04:24 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Doug Dever) 3. 05:22 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Michael Perez) 4. 05:26 AM - Re: antenna (skellytown flyer) 5. 06:04 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper (TOM STINEMETZE) 6. 06:22 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN (Steve Ruse) 7. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (mike Hardaway) 8. 07:09 AM - off list topic but an important warning to us all (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 9. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Doug Dever) 10. 07:46 AM - Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all (Doug Dever) 11. 07:46 AM - Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? & updated website with Broadhead pictures (Jeff Boatright) 12. 08:00 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (Baldeagle) 13. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Michael Perez) 14. 08:35 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (ldmill) 15. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Dan Yocum) 16. 09:53 AM - Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all (JGriff) 17. 10:04 AM - Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all (Bill Church) 18. 10:09 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (Bill Church) 19. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Jack) 20. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Tim Willis) 21. 10:55 AM - Re: The purist and seat belts (Bill Church) 22. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all (Doug Dever) 23. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: The purist and seat belts (Michael Groah) 24. 11:25 AM - Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (Dick N) 25. 11:34 AM - Pietenpol Directory (Jack) 26. 11:57 AM - Re: antenna (Catdesigns) 27. 12:46 PM - Direcrtory (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 28. 12:50 PM - heads up and time em down good (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 29. 02:00 PM - Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (GliderMike) 30. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (Rick Holland) 31. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (Jim Boyer) 32. 02:41 PM - Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (TOM STINEMETZE) 33. 03:49 PM - new guy needs direction (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 34. 04:13 PM - FAA and new aircraft registration rules- must read! (Billy McCaskill) 35. 04:23 PM - Re: new guy needs direction (Ryan Mueller) 36. 04:47 PM - Re: FAA and new aircraft registration rules- must read! (Matthew VanDervort) 37. 05:01 PM - Split Landing Gear Question (Jack) 38. 05:34 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Gene Rambo) 39. 05:52 PM - Re: Split Landing Gear Question (Billy McCaskill) 40. 05:54 PM - Re: new guy needs direction (Billy McCaskill) 41. 06:02 PM - Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (dgaldrich) 42. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Split Landing Gear Question (Rick Holland) 43. 06:21 PM - Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway (dgaldrich) 44. 06:23 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Jack) 45. 06:39 PM - Re: new guy needs direction (helspersew@aol.com) 46. 06:42 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Kip and Beth Gardner) 47. 06:55 PM - Re: antenna (skellytown flyer) 48. 07:27 PM - Re: antenna (dgaldrich) 49. 07:41 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Davis Roger) 50. 07:49 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Kip and Beth Gardner) 51. 07:54 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Davis Roger) 52. 08:01 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Davis Roger) 53. 08:06 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Davis Roger) 54. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (Mike Volckmann) 55. 08:13 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Mike Volckmann) 56. 08:16 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (AlRice) 57. 08:22 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:19 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: antenna Which one did you order? 121.5 MHz or 406MHz? The law is very confused at the monebt as to which is required. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown flyer Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: antenna Well I went ahead and ordered an ELT tonight to go in the GN-1 it comes with an antenna.but my question is-can I get away with mounting it inside the tail since I have a fabric plane or does the rules require it to be external? probably end up being a question for the DAR ? do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310761#310761 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:52 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts Seat belts weren't even required until the late 60s. Studebaker was the fi rst to make them std eq in 1959. I'm currently restoring a '63 Ford Falcon and=2C you guessed it. No seatbelts. Evedently you didn't need them in 1 963. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts > From: coxwelljon@frontiernet.net > Date: Mon=2C 30 Aug 2010 20:31:28 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > t.net> > > Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat bel ts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in tho se days. > > Jon > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310768#310768 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:27 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts Copy that. My dad is the original owner of a '63 Bonneville and it does not have seat belts. FYI, my plane will, I was just curious how far a purist will go to be, well , pure...as it were. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Doug Dever wrote: From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts =0A=0A=0ASeat belts weren't even required until the late 60s.- Studebaker was the first to make them std eq in 1959.- I'm currently restoring a '6 3 Ford Falcon and, you guessed it.- No seatbelts.- Evedently you didn't need them in 1963. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio - =0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts > From: coxwelljon@frontiernet.net > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:31:28 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > t.net> > > Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat bel ts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in tho se days. > > Jon > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310768#310768 > > &g==================== > _==== > > > =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna From: "skellytown flyer" I got the cheapest one I could find- the ACK E-01 from everything I have read it's still legal and once it's signed off I'm not going to worry too much about them fir a while.just have to get that airworthiness certificate.that is one of the things on the list the DAR will not sign off without Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310786#310786 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:36 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper >>>On Saturday I was able to give a ride in my Aeronca to my cousin's 7 year old son. His name is Axel. Dan: Did you send him after fuel - 5-gallons at a time - and promise him a "free" ride at the end of the day? Stinemetze ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:34 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper released on DVD in WIDESCREEN DVD? Hmmph. Purists only watch TGWP with a reel to reel projector, or possibly Betamax, in a pinch. Steve Ruse Norman, OK do not archive Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" : > > http://www.bestbuy.com/site/The+Great+Waldo+Pepper+-+Widescreen+Dolby+-+DVD/18604073.p?skuId=18604073&id=47584 > > > Thanks to an off-list e-mail from a good Piet builder in the > Northwest named Jake I was given this great NEWS about TGWP DVD > becoming available in widescreen and at a decent price. > > Just gather round folks, just gather round.......... > > Thanks Jake ! > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts From: mike Hardaway At some level, purism Darwinizes itself out of existence. Let's not be too silly with these threads. Mike Hardaway On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Copy that. My dad is the original owner of a '63 Bonneville and it does not > have seat belts. > > FYI, my plane will, I was just curious how far a purist will go to be, > well, pure...as it were. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Doug Dever * wrote: > > > [snip] ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:30 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: off list topic but an important warning to us all During my morning reading and scan I came across this article as another tragic event unfolded to take the life of a fellow aviator. The article really demonstrates that no matter how experienced we are or well intended , tragedy can strike immediately and with dire consequences. John _Weymouth man killed by propeller at Beverly airport_ (http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/08/weymouth_man_ki.ht ml) By L. Finch, Globe Correspondent A 30-year-old flight instructor from Weymouth was struck and killed this afternoon by an airplane propeller at Beverly Municipal Airport when the man exited his aircraft to help another pilot, officials said. Michael Costales was waiting to taxi his single-engine aircraft to runway 34 when he noticed a plane ahead of him, carrying a pilot and a student pilot, having trouble with its canopy, according to the Essex district at torney=99 s office, which conducted a preliminary investigation of the incident. Though details were unclear today about what happened next, when he got ou t to help the other plane, Costales was struck by his own propeller, the district attorney=99s office said. His death appears to be an accident, officials said. The airport was close d for a couple of hours after the incident. Costales was the head flight instructor for the Beverly Flight Center, a flight school at the airport, where he had worked the past decade, said Pa ul Vitale, chairman of the Beverly Airport Commission. "He was a great guy, loved the airport, and loved his job," Vitale said. "It=99s just a tragedy." The FAA, the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and th e National Transportation Safety Board are investigating. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:57 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts Mine will too. I am a purist=2C but I'm not stupid...well...most of the ti me. If I read an earlier post correctly even BHP used a seat belt. Albeit a crude one. I like to say mine will be as true to the original as safely possible. Keeping in mind I will be flying off of a paved strip. They cl osed the 2 sod strips at my local airport. Mostly due to stupidity and mil k toast management. So there is only a 4000ft paved strip now. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts Copy that. My dad is the original owner of a '63 Bonneville and it does not have seat belts. FYI=2C my plane will=2C I was just curious how far a purist will go to be =2C well=2C pure...as it were. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Tue=2C 8/31/10=2C Doug Dever wrote: From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts Seat belts weren't even required until the late 60s. Studebaker was the fi rst to make them std eq in 1959. I'm currently restoring a '63 Ford Falcon and=2C you guessed it. No seatbelts. Evedently you didn't need them in 1 963. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts > From: coxwelljon@frontiernet.net > Date: Mon=2C 30 Aug 2010 20:31:28 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > t.net> > > Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat bel ts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in tho se days. > > Jon > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310768#310768 > > &g==================== > _==== > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pget="_blank" href="http://forums.ma tronics.com">http://forums.matronics========= ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:11 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: off list topic but an important warning to us all Always amazed me how people can do something like this. especially an expe rienced pilot. I have done some pretty dumb things occasionally=2C but onl y once. I am extremely allergic to airplane propellers as I am sharks so I tend to steer clear. I am not afraid to hand prop an airplane=2C but I am paranoid enough to keep me safe. Hopefully. I had to hand prop a 220hp e ngine from behind on floats once. I had left the master on. Notice I said once. I've never left the master on again. Sometimes I think we have to be scared enough to make an impression. Sometimes some of us don't get sca red enough. Just my thoughts. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: off list topic but an important warning to us all During my morning reading and scan I came across this article as another t ragic event unfolded to take the life of a fellow aviator. The article real ly demonstrates that no matter how experienced we are or well intended=2C t ragedy can strike immediately and with dire consequences. John Weymouth man killed by propeller at Beverly airport By L. Finch=2C Globe Correspondent A 30-year-old flight instructor from Weymouth was struck and killed this af ternoon by an airplane propeller at Beverly Municipal Airport when the man exited his aircraft to help another pilot=2C officials said. Michael Costales was waiting to taxi his single-engine aircraft to runway 3 4 when he noticed a plane ahead of him=2C carrying a pilot and a student pi lot=2C having trouble with its canopy=2C according to the Essex district at torney=92s office=2C which conducted a preliminary investigation of the inc ident. Though details were unclear today about what happened next=2C when he got o ut to help the other plane=2C Costales was struck by his own propeller=2C t he district attorney=92s office said. His death appears to be an accident=2C officials said. The airport was clos ed for a couple of hours after the incident. Costales was the head flight instructor for the Beverly Flight Center=2C a flight school at the airport=2C where he had worked the past decade=2C said Paul Vitale=2C chairman of the Beverly Airport Commission. "He was a great guy=2C loved the airport=2C and loved his job=2C" Vitale sa id. "It=92s just a tragedy." The FAA=2C the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration=2C and the National Transportation Safety Board are investigating. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:25 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? & updated website with Broadhead pictures Hey Don, Great site! Good luck with the engine purchase. BTW, Brodhead is spelled with one "a" (not "Broadhead"). Don't ask me why, but as Stengel used to say "You could look it up!" Good luck with the build, Jeff >All, > >Thank you to everyone that took time to offer your thoughts on a >0290 powered Piet. I value the help and advice of this community >very much. "Piet people" are the best! If the condition of the 0290 >turns out to be as reported I intend to buy it. I will keep you >posted. > >On another note, I finally got around to updating our project >website. It now includes a tab for Broadhead with some pics some of >you might enjoy. > >www.firstwings.net > >Thanks, >Don -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A From: "Baldeagle" The Model A will sometimes make a fluttering sound on final, maybe due to some of the things mentioned above, airflow driving the prop etc. As long as it idles well on the ground I don't think it should be a problem, hard to really judge without hearing it, but that is what I would lean towards. - Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310810#310810 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:29 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts "Let's not be too silly with these threads." That's wishful thinking judging off of what I have seen posted here and in the archives in the past! Oh and... DO NOT ARCHIVE Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts From: "ldmill" Ask Jack Rousch about seat belts (the guy that crashed his jet at Oshkosh this year) - and not having a shoulder harness on... or at least not tight. If he had, I think he probably would still have use of his now useless eye socket. I've been anal about making sure everything is snug in my GN-1 since that day. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310819#310819 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts From: Dan Yocum I don't think NOT putting seat belts is even an option. In fact, I think you 're required to put shoulder harnesses in the front seat now-a-days. Check w ith your DAR or FSDO. Of course, I could be completely wrong about this. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Aug 31, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Michael Perez wrote : > "Let's not be too silly with these threads." > > That's wishful thinking judging off of what I have seen posted here and in the archives in the past! Oh and... > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all From: "JGriff" This happened at my home airport though I didn't know the instructor. Be careful out there folks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310825#310825 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bvy_304.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all From: "Bill Church" Well, when you get hit with a propeller, it usually only happens ONCE. You don't get a chance to learn from that kind of mistake. You were lucky that you got the opportunity to learn from your mistake. This was an experienced instructor that this horrible accident happened to. The point is that NOBODY should ever feel relaxed around a propeller. Thanks, John for posting this reminder to everyone. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310826#310826 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts From: "Bill Church" Just curious as to how a Model T would "jack knife". I understand the concept with a tractor-trailer, but how exactly does a car jack knife? Bend in the middle? do not archive BC > > Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat belts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in those days. > > Jon > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310827#310827 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:47 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts Maybe his Secretary didn't have time to "snug it up" Sorry, I couldn't resist. Jack DSM DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ldmill Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts Ask Jack Rousch about seat belts (the guy that crashed his jet at Oshkosh this year) - and not having a shoulder harness on... or at least not tight. If he had, I think he probably would still have use of his now useless eye socket. I've been anal about making sure everything is snug in my GN-1 since that day. Lorin -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310819#310819 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:51 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts On the Model T......... I think he is describing a broken steering tie-rod, so that the front wheels are pointing in different directions-- splayed-- bringing the car to a sudden halt. Given no safety glass in the large glass windshield, this could ruin your whole day even before you hit the ground or tree. With roads as they usualy were, strains on steering gear were heavy, even at the low common speeds of the time. BTW, Model A's had forged axles, tie-rods and the like, as I recall, and were greatly stronger. This is relevant only to the times of BP and his original design-- I will bet he had at least seat belts in his "Last Original." Do we know for sure? Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church >Sent: Aug 31, 2010 12:09 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts > > >Just curious as to how a Model T would "jack knife". I understand the concept with a tractor-trailer, but how exactly does a car jack knife? Bend in the middle? > >do not archive > >BC > > >> >> Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat belts but the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a lot more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in those days. >> >> Jon >> > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310827#310827 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts From: "Bill Church" Looks like the Last Original has at least lap belts for both seats: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/P1010023.JPG Once again, westcoastpiet to the rescue. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310831#310831 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:26 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: off list topic but an important warning to us all I agree. I'm not relaxed even when they're not turning. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: off list topic but an important warning to u s all > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca > Date: Tue=2C 31 Aug 2010 10:04:21 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ca> > > Well=2C when you get hit with a propeller=2C it usually only happens ONCE . You don't get a chance to learn from that kind of mistake. > You were lucky that you got the opportunity to learn from your mistake. > This was an experienced instructor that this horrible accident happened t o. > The point is that NOBODY should ever feel relaxed around a propeller. > > Thanks=2C John for posting this reminder to everyone. > > BC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310826#310826 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:23 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts What he's referring to is a model T that isn't set up correctly can have the tendency to have the steering very twitchy. They can snap over all the way in one direction or the other. The early T's have the wishbone attached at the top of the axle and they can end up with too little caster. Most of us that drive them put on an accessory wishbone that braces the bottom of the axle, keeping enough caster. It can get exciting to go around a corner and have your steering spin all the way over in that direction! It's kinda hard on the car too. Mike Groah Do not archive ________________________________ From: Bill Church Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:09:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The purist and seat belts Just curious as to how a Model T would "jack knife". I understand the concept with a tractor-trailer, but how exactly does a car jack knife? Bend in the middle? do not archive BC > > Some things just seem like common sense. The Model-T didn't have seat belts but >the steering had a habit of jack knifing easily. Probably would have been a lot >more older Model-T drivers if seat belts were in fashion in those days. > > > Jon > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310827#310827 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:05 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? I have a O-290 D2 for another project. I was told it will produce 140 hp . You better check into that further. It seems like a bit much for a Piet. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rucker To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? Help! I have found a local, 0 time since factory remanufacture Lycoming 0290 (125hp) cheap. It is complete. When I say cheap I am talking less than a Covair project. This seems an excessive amount of horsepower for a Piet. Best I can determine this model 0290 weighs 240lb dry. That is not much different than a model =93A=94 from a weigh perspective. Does anyone know of a successful Piet flying with a 0290? The owner is going to list it Monday so I must act quickly. All thoughts welcome. Thanks, Don ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:28 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com. Please input as shown in row # 2. Thanks, Jack Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna From: "Catdesigns" This is just my opinion and I will admit it is probably not a great idea to make the DAR mad at you BUT according to the FARs you do not need an ELT until you are done with flight testing. Therefore an ELT is not requires to receive your airworthiness certificate. It is required (paragraph a) as soon as you transition out of the test phase and can carry passengers . Look at 91.207 paragraph f (snipped below) (f) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to (paragraph 'a 'requires an ELT) ..(4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and testing; ..(5) New aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to their manufacture, preparation, and delivery; As for mounting the ELT it is not stated it has to be in the tail, just as far aft as practical. (b) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section must be attached to the airplane in such a manner that the probability of damage to the transmitter in the event of crash impact is minimized. Fixed and deployable automatic type transmitters must be attached to the airplane as far aft as practicable. Read the complete FAR 91.207 below Title 14: Aeronautics and Space PART 91GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES 91.207 Emergency locator transmitters. (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section, no person may operate a U.S.-registered civil airplane unless (1) There is attached to the airplane an approved automatic type emergency locator transmitter that is in operable condition for the following operations, except that after June 21, 1995, an emergency locator transmitter that meets the requirements of TSO-C91 may not be used for new installations: (i) Those operations governed by the supplemental air carrier and commercial operator rules of parts 121 and 125; (ii) Charter flights governed by the domestic and flag air carrier rules of part 121 of this chapter; and (iii) Operations governed by part 135 of this chapter; or (2) For operations other than those specified in paragraph (a)(1) of this section, there must be attached to the airplane an approved personal type or an approved automatic type emergency locator transmitter that is in operable condition, except that after June 21, 1995, an emergency locator transmitter that meets the requirements of TSO-C91 may not be used for new installations. (b) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section must be attached to the airplane in such a manner that the probability of damage to the transmitter in the event of crash impact is minimized. Fixed and deployable automatic type transmitters must be attached to the airplane as far aft as practicable. (c) Batteries used in the emergency locator transmitters required by paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section must be replaced (or recharged, if the batteries are rechargeable) (1) When the transmitter has been in use for more than 1 cumulative hour; or (2) When 50 percent of their useful life (or, for rechargeable batteries, 50 percent of their useful life of charge) has expired, as established by the transmitter manufacturer under its approval. The new expiration date for replacing (or recharging) the battery must be legibly marked on the outside of the transmitter and entered in the aircraft maintenance record. Paragraph (c)(2) of this section does not apply to batteries (such as water-activated batteries) that are essentially unaffected during probable storage intervals. (d) Each emergency locator transmitter required by paragraph (a) of this section must be inspected within 12 calendar months after the last inspection for (1) Proper installation; (2) Battery corrosion; (3) Operation of the controls and crash sensor; and (4) The presence of a sufficient signal radiated from its antenna. (e) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section, a person may (1) Ferry a newly acquired airplane from the place where possession of it was taken to a place where the emergency locator transmitter is to be installed; and (2) Ferry an airplane with an inoperative emergency locator transmitter from a place where repairs or replacements cannot be made to a place where they can be made. No person other than required crewmembers may be carried aboard an airplane being ferried under paragraph (e) of this section. (f) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to (1) Before January 1, 2004, turbojet-powered aircraft; (2) Aircraft while engaged in scheduled flights by scheduled air carriers; (3) Aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely within a 50-nautical mile radius of the airport from which such local flight operations began; (4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and testing; (5) New aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to their manufacture, preparation, and delivery; (6) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to the aerial application of chemicals and other substances for agricultural purposes; (7) Aircraft certificated by the Administrator for research and development purposes; (8) Aircraft while used for showing compliance with regulations, crew training, exhibition, air racing, or market surveys; (9) Aircraft equipped to carry not more than one person. (10) An aircraft during any period for which the transmitter has been temporarily removed for inspection, repair, modification, or replacement, subject to the following: (i) No person may operate the aircraft unless the aircraft records contain an entry which includes the date of initial removal, the make, model, serial number, and reason for removing the transmitter, and a placard located in view of the pilot to show ELT not installed. (ii) No person may operate the aircraft more than 90 days after the ELT is initially removed from the aircraft; and (11) On and after January 1, 2004, aircraft with a maximum payload capacity of more than 18,000 pounds when used in air transportation. [Doc. No. 18334, 54 FR 34304, Aug. 18, 1989, as amended by Amdt. 91242, 59 FR 32057, June 21, 1994; 59 FR 34578, July 6, 1994; Amdt. 91265, 65 FR 81319, Dec. 22, 2000; 66 FR 16316, Mar. 23, 2001] http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=6af747b63993991cd203bb42db7aa215&rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.3.10&idno=14#14:2.0.1.3.10.3.7.4 -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310842#310842 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:45 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Direcrtory For our own purposes it would be great if we could get everyone listed. I know there are many more out there that are not signed on yet and should be encouraged to participate. Juss my opinion John Do not archive, even though Jack does great work and should be credited in the annals of forever ! ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:08 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: heads up and time em down good (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xWxAyZlXkHclhxvMajazfgalSQWi?format=standard) * _Pilots should prepare for Hurricane Earl_ (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xWxAyZlXkHclhxqkajazfgalCfbu?format=standard) Hurricane Earl has been upgraded to a Category 4 storm, and hurricane experts predict a 25% chance of landfall on U.S. soil. The hurricane could affect general aviation by disrupting flights along the East Coast from Maine to Florida. Hurricane winds can break planes free of their tie-downs and also tear off hangar doors. _The Examiner_ (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xWxAyZlXkHclhxqkajazfgalCfbu?format=standard) (8/30) (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xWxAyZlXkHclhDhUajazfgallIgX) (http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xWxAyZlXkHclhDnwajazfgaluaWl) Do not archive, these alerts change with the weather! John ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? From: "GliderMike" Doesn't too much horsepower fall into the same category as too much runway? do not archive -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310849#310849 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? From: Rick Holland Or too much sex. do not archive On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:00 PM, GliderMike wrote: > > Doesn't too much horsepower fall into the same category as too much runway? > do not archive > > -------- > HOMEBUILDER > Will WORK for Spruce > Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, > GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310849#310849 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:50 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? Or as my father, my flight instructor, said; the runway behind you and the altitude above you do you no good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GliderMike" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:00:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? Doesn't too much horsepower fall into the same category as too much runway? do not archive -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310849#310849 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:16 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? >>> "GliderMike" 8/31/2010 4:00 PM >>> >>>Doesn't too much horsepower fall into the same category as too much runway? Not necessarily. As others on this list have commented in the past, if you get a Piet up near 100 MPH it starts letting you know that it does not particularly like it. If you constantly run your engine lower than it's comfortable power range (75% power more or less) then you run the risk of fouling some or all of the plugs. This is normally only a problem if you are using leaded fuel as it needs the higher temps to vaporize the lead and send it on out the exhaust. Under run aviation engines are known to collect lead balls in the lower set of plugs if run in the lower power settings for too long. Now, having sounded like an expert in the field let me state that I have no qualifications in this field whatsoever. (But I did stay in a Motel 8 list night.) Flamers and knowledgeable corrections will be tolerated. Tom Stinemetze N328X ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:26 PM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: new guy needs direction I know you have been through this countless times, but who do I purchase the aircamper plans from? I' am also interested in the plans for the low wing version as well. The information phase is in full swing and I hope to get started soon. Joe Swithin, Morris IL ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: FAA and new aircraft registration rules- must read! From: "Billy McCaskill" Just read about this on the EAA website... http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2010-08_fees.asp -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310858#310858 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new guy needs direction From: Ryan Mueller Plans can be bought from the Pietenpol family. Their website with ordering information is located at: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/ There are no available plans for a low-wing version. Years ago a Canadian by the name of Casey Irwin supposedly started with Pietenpol plans and built a low-wing homebuilt based on a Piet, but I've personally never seen or heard anything of that airplane beyond the "What our members are building" blurb in Sport Aviation from 1982. It was deleted from the Candian registry in 2000, so it may be no more. It was registered as a Pietenpol GN-1, so who knows how much of either it actually had in it. If you want a low-wing all wood "classic" homebuilt, you could look into the Fly Baby: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/ Although it is only a single seat design. People have come up two seat variants over the years, but none that have really caught on to eclipse the original, it would seem. Ryan On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:48 PM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: > I know you have been through this countless times, but who do I purchase > the aircamper plans from? I' am also interested in the plans for the low > wing version as well. The information phase is in full swing and I hope to > get started soon. > > Joe Swithin, Morris IL > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:16 PM PST US From: Matthew VanDervort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FAA and new aircraft registration rules- must read! Glad Gpa just "sold" me the Piet and tcraft, saved me a bit of money although I much prefer the 5$ fee.. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2010, at 7:13 PM, "Billy McCaskill" wrote: > > Just read about this on the EAA website... > > http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2010-08_fees.asp > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Urbana, IL > tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310858#310858 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:09 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split Landing Gear Question For the split gear, main V's the plans call for 1 3/8" 14 gauge 1020 steel tube, I believe that equates to .083 wall thickness. With 4130 should I increase to .095 or could is be decreased to .065 safely? Thanks, Jack DSM The Keeper of the List. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:20 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory Jack=2C I would fill this out but I cannot open the darned thing. What kin d of 3rd world format did you use for this thing????? Gene do not archive > From: jack@textors.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory > Date: Tue=2C 31 Aug 2010 13:33:25 -0500 > > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you wou ld > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com. > Please input as shown in row # 2. > Thanks=2C > Jack > > > > > > Jack Textor > 29 SW 58th Drive > Des Moines=2C IA 50312 > www.textors.com > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Split Landing Gear Question From: "Billy McCaskill" I would err on the side of strength and safety and use the .095" wall tubing. You probably would only add a pound or less to the overall weight. Landing gear malfunctions are reputed to be highly over-rated, at least according to Axel Purtee... [Shocked] -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310865#310865 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: new guy needs direction From: "Billy McCaskill" Perhaps we should post a sticky or FAQ thread with the source for the plans? This question seems to come up a lot lately. Anybody know how to do this? -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310866#310866 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? From: "dgaldrich" I would think that proper leaning would keep the lead fouling to a minimum. Again, opinions from an unrecognized non-expert. Dave Aldrich Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310867#310867 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Split Landing Gear Question From: Rick Holland Plus its easier to weld. rick On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Billy McCaskill wrote: > > I would err on the side of strength and safety and use the .095" wall > tubing. You probably would only add a pound or less to the overall weight. > Landing gear malfunctions are reputed to be highly over-rated, at least > according to Axel Purtee... > > [Shocked] > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Urbana, IL > tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310865#310865 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: That Martha is a shifty one Off topic but inteesting anyway From: "dgaldrich" She was obviously NOT a thief...she had shoes on. Dave Aldrich do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310869#310869 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:37 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just answer the questions below and return. Good luck! Jack Volunteer-Keeper of the List First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base, Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model, Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments _____________________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com. Please input as shown in row # 2. Thanks, Jack << File: Piet List Template.xls >> Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new guy needs direction From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Joe, I have a flying example for you to see, close by. I could even fly it over there. Send me a message off-list if you desire. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:48 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: new guy needs direction I know you have been through this countless times, but who do I purchase the aircamper plans from? I' am also interested in the plans for the low wing version as well. The information phase is in full swing and I hope to get started soon. Joe Swithin, Morris IL ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory From: Kip and Beth Gardner Hi Jack, I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by matronics. Kip Gardner On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote: > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just > answer the questions below and return. > Good luck! > Jack > Volunteer-Keeper of the List > > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base, > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model, > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments > > > > _____________________________________________ > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory > > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com. > Please input as shown in row # 2. > Thanks, > Jack > > > << File: Piet List Template.xls >> > > > Jack Textor > 29 SW 58th Drive > Des Moines, IA 50312 > www.textors.com > > > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna From: "skellytown flyer" Well though there are exceptions for installing one right away- the check list I have from the only DAR I know of close enough to do the inspection states ELT installed with operational check in accordance with FAR 91.207(d) if more than one place airplane.I realize I could argue the point but for 150 bucks I'll go along and try to keep it simple.basically I still would like to find out if it is acceptable to have the antenna inside the tail out of sight. I guess once it comes in if there isn't specific instructions concerning it I'll start calling someone. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310876#310876 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna From: "dgaldrich" You may need a metal plate as a ground plane (see certified aluminum planes). That would eliminate the tail. Because the fuselage is wood, you could put a thin metal plate across the longerons and attach the antenna to it, all inside the covering. Could be oriented up or down. There are other, more complicated options not involving ground planes and i'll bet there is information in the archives. Dave Aldrich Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310881#310881 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory From: Davis Roger I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine. RD On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > kipandbeth@earthlink.net> > > Hi Jack, > > I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not > anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by > matronics. > > Kip Gardner > > On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote: > > > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics > rejected > > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As > time > > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just > > answer the questions below and return. > > Good luck! > > Jack > > Volunteer-Keeper of the List > > > > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base, > > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet > Model, > > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory > > > > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you > would > > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the > > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com. > > Please input as shown in row # 2. > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > > > > << File: Piet List Template.xls >> > > > > > > Jack Textor > > 29 SW 58th Drive > > Des Moines, IA 50312 > > www.textors.com > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:56 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel. Kip G. On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote: > I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine. > > RD > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner > wrote: > > > Hi Jack, > > I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me > was not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it > got changed by matronics. > > Kip Gardner > > On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote: > > > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and > Matronics rejected > > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I > attached. As time > > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't > work just > > answer the questions below and return. > > Good luck! > > Jack > > Volunteer-Keeper of the List > > > > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base, > > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, > Piet Model, > > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory > > > > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. > If you would > > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of > the > > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email > jack@textors.com. > > Please input as shown in row # 2. > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > > > > << File: Piet List Template.xls >> > > > > > > Jack Textor > > 29 SW 58th Drive > > Des Moines, IA 50312 > > www.textors.com > > > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory From: Davis Roger Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know must have just got lucky I guess. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel. > > Kip G. > > On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote: > > I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine. > > RD > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < > kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> >> >> Hi Jack, >> >> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was >> not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by >> matronics. >> >> Kip Gardner >> >> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote: >> >> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics >> rejected >> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As >> time >> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work >> just >> > answer the questions below and return. >> > Good luck! >> > Jack >> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List >> > >> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base, >> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet >> Model, >> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments >> > >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________ >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM >> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory >> > >> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you >> would >> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the >> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com. >> > Please input as shown in row # 2. >> > Thanks, >> > Jack >> > >> > >> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >> >> > >> > >> > Jack Textor >> > 29 SW 58th Drive >> > Des Moines, IA 50312 >> > www.textors.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory From: Davis Roger Sorry, try the top left corner on the gmail page On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Davis Roger wrote: > Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know > must have just got lucky I guess. > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < > kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel. >> >> Kip G. >> >> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote: >> >> I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine. >> >> RD >> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < >> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> >>> >>> Hi Jack, >>> >>> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was >>> not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by >>> matronics. >>> >>> Kip Gardner >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote: >>> >>> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics >>> rejected >>> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As >>> time >>> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work >>> just >>> > answer the questions below and return. >>> > Good luck! >>> > Jack >>> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List >>> > >>> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base, >>> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet >>> Model, >>> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _____________________________________________ >>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack >>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM >>> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory >>> > >>> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you >>> would >>> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the >>> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com. >>> > Please input as shown in row # 2. >>> > Thanks, >>> > Jack >>> > >>> > >>> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >> >>> > >>> > >>> > Jack Textor >>> > 29 SW 58th Drive >>> > Des Moines, IA 50312 >>> > www.textors.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ========== >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> le, List Admin. >>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory From: Davis Roger Here is the link to it, hopefuly it will work https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhOF3o-5hGWKdHJRbDBmQXl5V0tjRzZweXQ1S2tOQVE&hl=en&authkey=CJ7OlocO On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Davis Roger wrote: > Sorry, try the top left corner on the gmail page > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Davis Roger wrote: > >> Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know >> must have just got lucky I guess. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < >> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel. >>> >>> Kip G. >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote: >>> >>> I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine. >>> >>> RD >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner < >>> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> kipandbeth@earthlink.net> >>>> >>>> Hi Jack, >>>> >>>> I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was >>>> not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by >>>> matronics. >>>> >>>> Kip Gardner >>>> >>>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics >>>> rejected >>>> > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As >>>> time >>>> > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work >>>> just >>>> > answer the questions below and return. >>>> > Good luck! >>>> > Jack >>>> > Volunteer-Keeper of the List >>>> > >>>> > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base, >>>> > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet >>>> Model, >>>> > Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _____________________________________________ >>>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM >>>> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory >>>> > >>>> > I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you >>>> would >>>> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the >>>> > attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com >>>> . >>>> > Please input as shown in row # 2. >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > Jack >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > << File: Piet List Template.xls >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Jack Textor >>>> > 29 SW 58th Drive >>>> > Des Moines, IA 50312 >>>> > www.textors.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>> ========== >>>> http://forums.matronics.com >>>> ========== >>>> le, List Admin. >>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> * >>> >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >> > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:36 PM PST US From: Mike Volckmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? Not really.- The Hornet was offered with a Rotax 912-with out a wing th at could =0Astand the airspeed that the 912 would allow it to reach and the re were some =0Aaccidents caused by the wing warping and not allowing the p ilot to roll out of a =0Aturn.=0A-Mike Volckmann =0A=0A=0AThe only thing we ever learn from history is that we never learn from history. =0AGeorge B ernard Shaw =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Glid erMike =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: T ue, August 31, 2010 2:00:25 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 mikeg@yahoo.com>=0A=0ADoesn't too much horsepower fall into the same catego ry as too much runway?=0Ado not archive=0A=0A--------=0AHOMEBUILDER=0AWill WORK for Spruce=0ALong flights, smooth air, and soft landings,=0AGliderMike , aka Mike Glasgow=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://f orums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310849#310849=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ============= ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:09 PM PST US From: Mike Volckmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory It showed up in my in box as a .xls file that OpenOffice.org opened fine. =0A-Mike Volckmann =0A=0AThe only thing we ever learn from history is tha t we never learn from history. =0AGeorge Bernard Shaw =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___ _____________________________=0AFrom: Kip and Beth Gardner =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, August 31, 2010 7:49:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory=0A=0AThat be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel. =0A=0AKip G. =0A=0A=0AOn Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote:=0A=0A-I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine. =0A>=0A>RD=0A>=0A >=0A>On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner =0A>>=0A>>Hi Jack,=0A>>=0A>>I do n't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not =0A >>anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). -Maybe it got changed b y =0A>>matronics.=0A>>=0A>>Kip Gardner=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Aug 31, 2010, at 9: 23 PM, Jack wrote:=0A>>=0A>>> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected=0A>>> them. -Do you have Microsoft Excel? -That is the format I attached. As time=0A>>> permits I will try to form at in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just=0A>>> answer the questions below and return.=0A>>> Good luck!=0A>>> Jack=0A>>> Volunteer-Keeper of the List=0A>>>=0A>>> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,=0A>>> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,=0A>>> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project S tatus, Comments=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> ___________________________________ __________=0A>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A>>> [mai lto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack=0A>>> Sent : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM=0A>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>>> Subject: -Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory=0A>>>=0A>>> I just s ent out the list to all that shared their information. -If you would=0A>> > like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the=0A> >> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com. =0A>>> Please input as shown in row # 2.=0A>>> Thanks,=0A>>> Jack=0A>>>=0A> >>=0A>>> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> Jack Textor =0A>>> 29 SW 58th Drive=0A>>> Des Moines, IA 50312=0A>>> www.textors.com=0A >>>=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>======= =====0A>>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P ietenpol-List=0A>>============0A>>http://forums.matro nics.com=0A>>============0A>>le, List Admin.=0A>>=" _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>>======== ====0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A> =0A>href="http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L isthref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A> =0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com ========== =0A ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Directory From: "AlRice" Jack, excellent job. Thanks for all the work that you have done. It will come in handy when I need to contact other builders in Florida. -------- Al Rice Skybolt 260 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310890#310890 ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:58 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory Have Microsoft Excel 2007.opened fine for me. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Davis Roger Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory Go to Google.com look at the top left, click on documents. I don't know must have just got lucky I guess. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: That be a new one on me & not a listed format in my version of Excel. Kip G. On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Davis Roger wrote: I opened it as a Google Doc and was able to fill it out just fine. RD On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: Hi Jack, I don't know about Gene, but the attachment that came through to me was not anything Excel could open & read (winmail.dat). Maybe it got changed by matronics. Kip Gardner On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Jack wrote: > Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected > them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time > permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just > answer the questions below and return. > Good luck! > Jack > Volunteer-Keeper of the List > > First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base, > Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model, > Engine N Number, Flying? 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