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1. 12:38 AM - Re: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? (Clif Dawson)
2. 03:04 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Directory (Jack)
3. 03:41 AM - Piet Directory (Jack)
4. 04:31 AM - Re: Piet Directory (Kip and Beth Gardner)
5. 04:42 AM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Kip and Beth Gardner)
6. 04:43 AM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (helspersew@aol.com)
7. 04:48 AM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Gary Boothe)
8. 04:51 AM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Ryan Mueller)
9. 05:55 AM - Re: Piet Directory (Mike Volckmann)
10. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: antenna (Thomas Bernie)
11. 08:11 AM - Re: Split Landing Gear Question (kevinpurtee)
12. 08:16 AM - Re: antenna (kevinpurtee)
13. 08:33 AM - The next future piet'er is here (shad bell)
14. 08:43 AM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Ryan Mueller)
15. 08:48 AM - Piet fuse question (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
16. 08:51 AM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
17. 09:00 AM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Kip and Beth Gardner)
18. 09:00 AM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Jim Boyer)
19. 09:01 AM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Jim Boyer)
20. 09:02 AM - Re: Piet fuse question (Jim Boyer)
21. 09:13 AM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Don Emch)
22. 09:23 AM - Re: Piet fuse question (Rick Holland)
23. 09:52 AM - Re: Piet fuse question (JGriff)
24. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Directory (Jack)
25. 10:34 AM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
26. 11:13 AM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Michael Perez)
27. 11:48 AM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Jeff Boatright)
28. 12:01 PM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Jack Phillips)
29. 12:09 PM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Jim Markle)
30. 12:30 PM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Rick Holland)
31. 12:39 PM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (helspersew@aol.com)
32. 12:48 PM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (RBush96589@aol.com)
33. 01:04 PM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Dan P)
34. 01:15 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Dan P)
35. 02:05 PM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Harvey Rule)
36. 03:14 PM - Re: Pietenpol Directory (Dan Yocum)
37. 05:09 PM - Lee Bottom Fly-In (shad bell)
38. 05:25 PM - Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (shad bell)
39. 05:25 PM - Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In (Matthew VanDervort)
40. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Directory (Jack)
41. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol Directory (Davis Roger)
42. 05:46 PM - Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (Billy McCaskill)
43. 05:50 PM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Billy McCaskill)
44. 06:32 PM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Dan Yocum)
45. 07:52 PM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Kip and Beth Gardner)
46. 09:04 PM - Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (AlRice)
47. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
48. 11:08 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ? |
Some assumptions seem to have been made. One is that
The available horsepower will automaticaly be used to
make the plane go faster.
In my case the prop will be carved to cruise at 80 with a
reasonable rpm. The pitch should thus be fine enough to
give a pretty respectable climb rate.
A few messages back I provided the HP and rpms of all the
O-290 models. Why do I have an O-290? Mostly because,
for $1000 I have an engine with logs that has far more than
enough hours left on it to fly past my remaining lifetime. The
pistons,cylinders and valve train have only 100 hrs on them.
I have the operators, maintenance and repair manuals for
my O-290 from here,
http://www.esscoaircraft.com/c-6986-lycoming-235-290-435-series.aspx
Clif
"An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the
pessimist always run to blow it out?"
~ Michel De Saint-Pierre
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Volckmann
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ?
Not really. The Hornet was offered with a Rotax 912 with out a wing
that could stand the airspeed that the 912 would allow it to reach and
there were some accidents caused by the wing warping and not allowing
the pilot to roll out of a turn.
Mike Volckmann
The only thing we ever learn from history is that we never learn from
history. George Bernard Shaw
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From: GliderMike <glidermikeg@yahoo.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 2:00:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming 0290 for Piet ?
<glidermikeg@yahoo.com>
Doesn't too much horsepower fall into the same category as too much
runway?
do not archive
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
All,
Sorry for the hassles, apparently Matronics has a problem with Excel files.
Roger yours came through. I will redo in Word and get it sent out ASAP.
Thanks,
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected
them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time
permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
answer the questions below and return.
Good luck!
Jack
Volunteer-Keeper of the List
First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,
Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
_____________________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
Please input as shown in row # 2.
Thanks,
Jack
<< File: Piet List Template.xls >>
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
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Ok let's try again. If you would like to be included in the next update
please fill out the attached Word file and return to my home email
jack@textors.com. So far we have 60 signed up.
Thanks,
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Nope, same problem, comes through as an unreadable winmail.dat file.
Kip Gardner
On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:40 AM, Jack wrote:
> Ok let's try again. If you would like to be included in the next update
> please fill out the attached Word file and return to my home email
> jack@textors.com. So far we have 60 signed up.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> <winmail.dat>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Jack,
You may have trouble with any Microsoft Ofifce file. The other list I belong to
(local beekeepers) is run by a member who has an IT business & runs it on his
Co. server. His list program strips out or permanently alters all Microsoft
files to prevent the spread of document-embedded viruses.
Kip Gardner
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:24 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>
> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected
> them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time
> permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
> answer the questions below and return.
> Good luck!
> Jack
> Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>
> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,
> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>
> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> Please input as shown in row # 2.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Jack,
I can't open it either.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:31 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Jack, I would fill this out but I cannot open the darned thing. What kind
of 3rd world format did you use for this thing?????
Gene
do not archive
> From: jack@textors.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:33:25 -0500
>
> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you wo
uld
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> Please input as shown in row # 2.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Directory |
Both opened fine for me.but, then, I may be virus ridden.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Jack,
I can't open it either.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:31 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Jack, I would fill this out but I cannot open the darned thing. What kind
of 3rd world format did you use for this thing?????
Gene
do not archive
> From: jack@textors.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:33:25 -0500
>
> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
would
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
> Please input as shown in row # 2.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Jack,
If you'd like, email me the file and I can put it up on Dropbox and
provide a public link to it. Anyone with an Internet connection and a
web browser will be able to retrieve it.
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> You may have trouble with any Microsoft Ofifce file. The other list I belong
to (local beekeepers) is run by a member who has an IT business & runs it on
his Co. server. His list program strips out or permanently alters all Microsoft
files to prevent the spread of document-embedded viruses.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:24 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>>
>> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics rejected
>> them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As time
>> permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
>> answer the questions below and return.
>> Good luck!
>> Jack
>> Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>>
>> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
>> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet Model,
>> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>>
>> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you would
>> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
>> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
>> Please input as shown in row # 2.
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>>
>>
>> Jack Textor
>> 29 SW 58th Drive
>> Des Moines, IA 50312
>> www.textors.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Directory |
Jack,=0A=0AIt arrived here as a .doc file and opened fin with OpenOffice.or
g.- I suspect =0Athat the problem is peoples mail client.- I am-usein
g Yahoo-Web-Mail. =0A=0A-Mike Volckmann =0A=0AThe only thing we ever
learn from history is that we never learn from history. =0AGeorge Bernard S
haw =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kip and Beth
Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASe
nt: Wed, September 1, 2010 4:29:30 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet D
=0A<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>=0A=0ANope, same problem, comes through as an
unreadable winmail.dat file.=0A=0AKip Gardner=0A=0AOn Sep 1, 2010, at 6:40
AM, Jack wrote:=0A=0A> Ok let's try again.- If you would like to be inclu
ded in the next update=0A> please fill out the attached Word file and retur
n to my home email=0A> jack@textors.com.- So far we have 60 signed up.=0A
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I put mine on a bracket behind the pilot seat (not in accordance with the instructions)
and it was acceptable to the DAR -- he said only a/c he has refused were
due to lack of ELT's.
Tom Bernie
On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:54 PM, skellytown flyer wrote:
>
> Well though there are exceptions for installing one right away- the check list
I have from the only DAR I know of close enough to do the inspection states
ELT installed with operational check in accordance with FAR 91.207(d) if more
than one place airplane.I realize I could argue the point but for 150 bucks I'll
go along and try to keep it simple.basically I still would like to find out
if it is acceptable to have the antenna inside the tail out of sight. I guess
once it comes in if there isn't specific instructions concerning it I'll start
calling someone.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310876#310876
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| Subject: | Re: Split Landing Gear Question |
Hi Jack - I upgraded to the heavier gauge. The attach points failed on my left
V, not the tubing. The tubing didn't even seem to be aware there was a problem.
I'm not known to build light (thus the nickname Fat Bottomed Girl for the
plane), but that's one area you might be forgiven for going sturdier.
Axel
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Raymond - I'm REALLY not qualified to offer an opinion but that's not going to
stop me: I believe you can put the antenna in a convenient place in the tail with
a light piece of metal for a ground plane. I also believe the antenna can
be internal if you want it to be.
Hopefully knowledgeable people will correct me as needed.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | The next future piet'er is here |
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now.- My wife delivered Joseph -on
monday night.- He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally
laughed him out!!!- I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times
.- With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the lat
er stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room, laug
hter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing for
hours.-
-
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Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Congratulations Shad!
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on
> monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally
> laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times.
> With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the later
> stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room,
> laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing
> for hours.
>
>
> Shad
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Piet fuse question |
Group,
I getting ready to build the long fuselage. I can't remember who said
it, but last year at Brodhead 09' a pilot mentioned that if he were to
build his Piet all over again he would build the long fuse from the
firewall to the pilots seat, and the short fuse from the rear of the
pilots seat to the tail. Has anyone built their fuse in this manner?
Input??
Brian Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
L <<Picture (Device Independent Bitmap)>> <<Picture (Device
Independent Bitmap)>>
801-594-3482
801-882-0213 BB
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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| Subject: | The next future piet'er is here |
Congrats Shad....baby is out, Shad is free to attend
fly-ins.....correct???
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on
monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally
laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some
times. With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before
the later stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our
room, laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile
laughing for hours.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Congratulations Shad!
On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:27 AM, shad bell wrote:
> Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph
on monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she
litterally laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful
some times. With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the
room(before the later stages of labor) you would have thought it was a
party in our room, laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at
the hostpitile laughing for hours.
>
>
> Shad
>
>
>
>
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Gary thats just a problem we have here in Northern Cal.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 4:47:25 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Both opened fine for mebut, then, I may be virus ridden
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Jack,
I can't open it either.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:31 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Jack, I would fill this out but=C2-I cannot open the darned thing.=C2-
What kind of 3rd world format did you use for=C2-this thing?????
=C2-
Gene
do not archive
=C2-
> From: jack@textors.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:33:25 -0500
>
> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you wou
ld
> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com .
> Please input as shown in row # 2.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
>
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Shad congratulations on the new boy; great you have two new Piet pilots/bui
lders coming up.
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:27:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now.=C2- My wife delivered Joseph
=C2-on monday night.=C2- He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she
litterally laughed him out!!!=C2- I guess my goofy sense of humor is use
ful some times.=C2- With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the ro
om(before the later stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party
in our room, laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpi
tile laughing for hours.=C2-
Shad
==
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Yes, I believe our fantastic archivist Chris Tracy is building his Piet thi
s way and if I had to do it again I would also.
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "brian e jardine" <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:48:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet fuse question
Group,
I getting ready to build the long fuselage.=C2- I can =99 t remembe
r who said it , but last year at Brodhead 09 =99 a pilot mentioned th
at if he were to build his Piet all over again he would build the long fuse
from the firewall to the pilots seat, and the short fuse from the rear of
the pilots seat to the tail.=C2- Has anyone built their fuse in this mann
er ? =C2- Input??
Bria n Jardine
L-3 Communications
Operations Project Engineer
640 North 2200 West
P.O.Box 16850
Salt Lake City, UT=C2- 84116
L Picture (Device Independent Bitmap)=C2-=C2-=C2- Picture (Device Ind
ependent Bitmap)=C2-
801-594-3482
801-882-0213 BB
brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
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Congratulations!!
Sure is an exciting time!
Don Emch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310959#310959
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Sounds like a good hybrid design. Gives you 2 extra inches of front cockpit
(and front fuel tank space) and 2 extra inches of rear cockpit room and
therefore minimal aft CG movement. However it makes you wonder why Bernard
added the extra several inches to the tail of the long fuse design, possibl
y
to provide more elevator/rudder authority for an Piet with a lighter
non-Model-A engine sticking way out forward of the firewall?
rick
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:48 AM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
> Group,
>
> I getting ready to build the long fuselage. I can=92t remember who said
it,but last year at Brodhead09
> =92 a pilot mentioned that if he were to build his Piet all over again he
> would build the long fuse from the firewall to the pilots seat, and the
> short fuse from the rear of the pilots seat to the tail. Has anyone buil
t
> their fuse in this manner? Input??
>
> *******Brian Jardine*
> *******L-3 Communications******
> ********Operations Project Engineer*
> 640 North 2200 West
> P.O.Box 16850
> Salt Lake City, UT 84116
>
> L [image: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap)] [image: Picture (Device
> Independent Bitmap)]
>
> 801-594-3482
>
> 801-882-0213 BB
>
> *****brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com*
>
> ******
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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I'd be very curious to hear more about doing this as well. Those of you that are
building this way can you tell us why? How does it affect the flying quality?
Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310964#310964
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Thanks Ryan but at this point I don't want to complicate it further. May
change my mind later.
Thanks,
Jack
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
Jack,
If you'd like, email me the file and I can put it up on Dropbox and
provide a public link to it. Anyone with an Internet connection and a
web browser will be able to retrieve it.
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net> wrote:
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> Jack,
>
> You may have trouble with any Microsoft Ofifce file. The other list I
belong to (local beekeepers) is run by a member who has an IT business &
runs it on his Co. server. His list program strips out or permanently
alters all Microsoft files to prevent the spread of document-embedded
viruses.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:24 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>>
>> Hey Gene chill out...I tried to send in other formats and Matronics
rejected
>> them. Do you have Microsoft Excel? That is the format I attached. As
time
>> permits I will try to format in Microsoft Word. If that doesn't work just
>> answer the questions below and return.
>> Good luck!
>> Jack
>> Volunteer-Keeper of the List
>>
>> First Name, Last Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Country, Home Base,
>> Occupation, Employer, Wk Phone, Home Phone, Cell, Primary Email, Piet
Model,
>> Engine N Number, Flying? Y/N, Web Site, Project Status, Comments
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:33 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Directory
>>
>> I just sent out the list to all that shared their information. If you
would
>> like to be included in the next update please fill out row # 3 of the
>> attached Excel worksheet and return to my home email jack@textors.com.
>> Please input as shown in row # 2.
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> << File: Piet List Template.xls >>
>>
>>
>> Jack Textor
>> 29 SW 58th Drive
>> Des Moines, IA 50312
>> www.textors.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Congratulations that's great news both doing well, So you got him in the
shop today making saw dust, never too soon to start building!
John
Do not archive
In a message dated 9/1/2010 12:01:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kipandbeth@earthlink.net writes:
Congratulations Shad!
On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:27 AM, shad bell wrote:
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on
monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally
laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times. With
me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the later stages
of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room, laughter,
jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing for hours.
Shad
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Congratulations! That fun, goofy labor/delivery thing is the only way to go. We
had our delivery staff doing a type of "baby delivery" line dance thing when
we had our first. makes the hospital stay/delivery even more memorable.
I attached my two young aviators as well.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Shad,
Congratulations! Now you'll have to build another Piet, one for each
parent/boy pairing.
Jeff
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>Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph
> on monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she
>litterally laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is
>useful some times. With me, her and both sets of grand parents in
>the room(before the later stages of labor) you would have thought it
>was a party in our room, laughter, jokes and stories had us and the
>staff at the hostpitile laughing for hours.
>
>
>Shad
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Congratulations, Shad! Hoepfully one or both of them will grow up loving
aviation. I've had one daughter, three stepsons and one step daughter and
my curse has been that NONE of them care anything about flying. I'm working
on the grandkids now, and making some headway.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on
monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally
laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times.
With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the later
stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room,
laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing
for hours.
Shad
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Very cool! But all you guys have a ways to go to catch up with me and my 5 sons....only
one of whom might be a future aviator. :-(
And hey, these pics could be resized to 640x480 and the difference in size would
not be noticable (when viewing on a computer screen)....except there would be
no slooooooooow download time.....please......
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Sep 1, 2010 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
Congratulations! That fun, goofy labor/delivery thing is the only way to go. We
had our delivery staff doing a type of "baby delivery" line dance thing when
we had our first. makes the hospital stay/delivery even more memorable.
I attached my two young aviators as well.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Well at least he will be able to play in a pile of you Piet sawdust soon
(just don't let him eat too much of it).
rick
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On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:30 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> Congratulations that's great news both doing well, So you got him in the
> shop today making saw dust, never too soon to start building!
>
> John
>
> Do not archive
>
> In a message dated 9/1/2010 12:01:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> kipandbeth@earthlink.net writes:
>
> Congratulations Shad!
>
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:27 AM, shad bell wrote:
>
> Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph o
n
> monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally
> laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times.
> With me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the later
> stages of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room,
> laughter, jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughi
ng
> for hours.
>
>
> Shad
>
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Shad,
Congratulatuions!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:27 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on mo
nday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally lau
ghed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times. Wi
th me, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the later sta
ges of labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room, laughter,
jokes and stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing for hou
rs.
Shad
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congratulations shad
Randy Bush
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Congrats on the new addition! :D
--------
Dan Plett
N28WH
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310984#310984
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I downloaded 'winmail opener' to view the date file. Once it opened I saved it
as and xls file.
http://download.cnet.com/Winmail-Opener/3000-2369_4-10469892.html
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Dan Plett
N28WH
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Ya man like they know what causes that now!!!
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From: RBush96589@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The next future piet'er is here
congratulations shad
Randy Bush
do not archive
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Jack,
If I recall correctly you can create a google document that other people can edit
online w/o the rigamarole of sending out an excel file - just create the document,
and post the URL.
I'm on vacation ATM, so I can't help with specific details...
Dan
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| Subject: | Lee Bottom Fly-In |
Who is planning on going to lee bottom?- I was planning on flying down fr
iday mid-day, and returning sat 3pm or so.- If anyone was flying down fro
m ohio, I was going to see if they want to fly down togeather.- Mike C.,
When were you planning on going down?- We could leave from here or I can
meet up with you at your 1st fuel stop if you want a wingman.- Same for D
on, Frank or anyone else who wants to fly down.- By the way, does anyone
on here know about a red and cream collered piet in south western ohio (urb
ana area).- I have a friend at work who is based at Urbana and has seen a
piet in there 2-3 times in the past month or so.- I am not aware of anot
her piet down there.- Might be out of New Carlisle Ohio out of Barnhart M
emorial?
-
Shad
-
p.s.- Joseph Isaac Bell- "Little Joe", is laying here in the crib besid
e me, dreaming of flying the piet some day. I swear he would almost fit in
the hat box.=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
John, Did you ever print any of the shirts with this really cool logo on th
em?- I missed Brodhead this year, so I was out of the In person, loop.
-
Shad
--- On Sat, 7/3/10, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> wrote:
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coming Soon!
I should have shirts available online in the next few days. I will be addin
g this and a couple other ideas. I will probably also update some of last y
ear's stuff as well. Sorry for the shameless plug.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email:-jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In |
Shad, there is a red and cream Piet at new Carlisle, has an O-200 with light
s and everything, I forget the gentlemens name though, I'll privy see him ne
xt time I'm out there, I'll try and find out.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:08 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Who is planning on going to lee bottom? I was planning on flying down fri
day mid-day, and returning sat 3pm or so. If anyone was flying down from oh
io, I was going to see if they want to fly down togeather. Mike C., When we
re you planning on going down? We could leave from here or I can meet up wi
th you at your 1st fuel stop if you want a wingman. Same for Don, Frank or a
nyone else who wants to fly down. By the way, does anyone on here know abou
t a red and cream collered piet in south western ohio (urbana area). I have
a friend at work who is based at Urbana and has seen a piet in there 2-3 ti
mes in the past month or so. I am not aware of another piet down there. Mi
ght be out of New Carlisle Ohio out of Barnhart Memorial?
>
> Shad
>
> p.s. Joseph Isaac Bell "Little Joe", is laying here in the crib beside m
e, dreaming of flying the piet some day. I swear he would almost fit in the h
at box.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Thanks Dan, do you plan to send me your info?
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan P
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Directory
I downloaded 'winmail opener' to view the date file. Once it opened I saved
it as and xls file.
http://download.cnet.com/Winmail-Opener/3000-2369_4-10469892.html
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Dan Plett
N28WH
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Directory |
Hey Jack The link I sent last night is a google doc.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Dan, do you plan to send me your info?
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan P
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:15 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Directory
>
>
> I downloaded 'winmail opener' to view the date file. Once it opened I
> saved
> it as and xls file.
>
> http://download.cnet.com/Winmail-Opener/3000-2369_4-10469892.html
>
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> Dan Plett
> N28WH
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310986#310986
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
I'd love to have a shirt with this design on it also!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Congrats Shad, that is awesome news!
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Fantastic news, Shad. Congrats!
I needed an excuse to smoke a cigar this week, and now I've got one.
:-)
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:27 AM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered Joseph on mo
nday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or not she litterally laugh
ed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of humor is useful some times. With m
e, her and both sets of grand parents in the room(before the later stages of
labor) you would have thought it was a party in our room, laughter, jokes a
nd stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing for hours.
>
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> Shad
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
I'll roll a couple up for ya Dan (I've been test growing some tobacco
varieties organically for potential clients)
Kip Gardner
Do not archive
On Sep 1, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:
> Fantastic news, Shad. Congrats!
>
> I needed an excuse to smoke a cigar this week, and now I've got one.
>
> :-)
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137@gmail.com
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:27 AM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello, I am a proud father of 2 boys now. My wife delivered
>> Joseph on monday night. He is a healthy boy, and believe it or
>> not she litterally laughed him out!!! I guess my goofy sense of
>> humor is useful some times. With me, her and both sets of grand
>> parents in the room(before the later stages of labor) you would
>> have thought it was a party in our room, laughter, jokes and
>> stories had us and the staff at the hostpitile laughing for hours.
>>
>>
>> Shad
>>
>>
>>
>> ==================================
>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ==================================
>> ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==================================
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
>> contribution
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Put me down for 2 shirts too! The artwork is great.
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Skybolt 260
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Pietenpol-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Pietenpol-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Pietenpol-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "pietenpol-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Pietenpol-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Pietenpol-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
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Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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