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1. 04:19 AM - Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (Dave Sornborger)
2. 04:21 AM - Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In (Tim White Gmail)
3. 04:23 AM - Re: Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers (Gary Boothe)
4. 04:37 AM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (Michael Perez)
5. 04:49 AM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (Gary Boothe)
6. 05:47 AM - Re: Re: antenna (Jim Ash)
7. 05:57 AM - Re: antenna (skellytown flyer)
8. 07:09 AM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (Michael Perez)
9. 07:29 AM - Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (Kelly Klaus)
10. 07:49 AM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (shad bell)
11. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: The next future piet'er is here (shad bell)
12. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: The next future piet'er is here (Gary Boothe)
13. 08:48 AM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (Rick Holland)
14. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: The next future piet'er is here (Jim Markle)
15. 09:02 AM - Re: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Lagowski Morrow)
16. 09:03 AM - Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (Don Emch)
17. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: The next future piet'er is here (shad bell)
18. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (ALAN LYSCARS)
19. 09:21 AM - Re: Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers (AircamperN11MS)
20. 09:22 AM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (Gary Boothe)
21. 09:32 AM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (AircamperN11MS)
22. 09:45 AM - Re: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Ryan Mueller)
23. 10:14 AM - Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (Bill Church)
24. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (Gary Boothe)
25. 10:23 AM - Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In (Billy McCaskill)
26. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (Ryan Mueller)
27. 11:04 AM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (Ben Charvet)
28. 11:11 AM - Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (Bill Church)
29. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts (Gary Boothe)
30. 11:24 AM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (TOM STINEMETZE)
31. 11:29 AM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (Jack Phillips)
32. 11:57 AM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (BYD)
33. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (Ryan Mueller)
34. 01:48 PM - Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A (BYD)
35. 02:34 PM - Started my rib jig today (JGriff)
36. 02:45 PM - Re: Started my rib jig today (TOM STINEMETZE)
37. 03:20 PM - Tailbrace wire idea (Bill Church)
38. 03:33 PM - Re: Started my rib jig today (Jim Boyer)
39. 03:51 PM - Re: Started my rib jig today (dwilson)
40. 03:52 PM - Re: Started my rib jig today (dwilson)
41. 04:19 PM - Re: Tailbrace wire idea (Gary Boothe)
42. 04:23 PM - Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart (helspersew@aol.com)
43. 05:05 PM - Re: Tailbrace wire idea (Tim Willis)
44. 07:06 PM - Re: Started my rib jig today (Rick Holland)
45. 08:11 PM - Re: Started my rib jig today (Ben Charvet)
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| Subject: | Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Thanks Guys,Looks like Stewart is the way to go.Not much into the
toxicity levels of the others,not to mention the KaBoom! factor.
Thanks again.Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In |
His name is Stephen Emo. He has a hangar at New Carlisle. I believe his
dad built it, passed away recently and he flies it about every night and
twice on the weekends. Every time he comes back smiling.
Tim White
OH30 & FA38
----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew VanDervort
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom Fly-In
Shad, there is a red and cream Piet at new Carlisle, has an O-200 with
lights and everything, I forget the gentlemens name though, I'll privy
see him next time I'm out there, I'll try and find out.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:08 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Who is planning on going to lee bottom? I was planning on
flying down friday mid-day, and returning sat 3pm or so. If anyone was
flying down from ohio, I was going to see if they want to fly down
togeather. Mike C., When were you planning on going down? We could
leave from here or I can meet up with you at your 1st fuel stop if you
want a wingman. Same for Don, Frank or anyone else who wants to fly
down. By the way, does anyone on here know about a red and cream
collered piet in south western ohio (urbana area). I have a friend at
work who is based at Urbana and has seen a piet in there 2-3 times in
the past month or so. I am not aware of another piet down there. Might
be out of New Carlisle Ohio out of Barnhart Memorial?
Shad
p.s. Joseph Isaac Bell "Little Joe", is laying here in the
crib beside me, dreaming of flying the piet some day. I swear he would
almost fit in the hat box.
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| Subject: | Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers |
Mike,
That really was an extreme effort by that chapter! Geographically, Jim
Boyer, Mike Weaver, Darrel Jones, Chris Tracy, John McPherson, Charlie
Miller & Bob O=99hara (built and flying), me and maybe one or two
others, all live within a short drive to Sacramento. For any of us it
would be a 7 hour drive south to get to French Valley (southern end of
California).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for Westcoast Piet builders and
flyers
Hi Mike,
There are three (Chris Tracy, Gary Boothe, and Mike Weaver) in the
Sacramento area, me in Santa Rosa 50 miles N. of San Francisco, Mike
Groah in Tulare approximately 100 miles S. of San Francisco, and Charlie
Miller a couple hours S. of Tulare. We have a new builder starting in
Petaluma, 17 miles S. of Santa Rosa.
I not familiar with French Valley.
Cheers,
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2010 2:54:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers
Guys--- just wondering if you all are in the same general area of CA or
are you all spread out ? Just wondering
and thought maybe I=99d expand my knowledge of geography a bit.
Are any of you near the French Valley EAA Chapter who brought that
GORGEOUS bare Pietenpol to Brodhead, then
Oshkosh ? What an EFFORT to bring that thing via truck ALL the
way to Wisconsin and back. Very cool.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
You guys using the Stewart's System, did you use their varnish for the bare
wood prior to covering, if not, what brand/type varnish did you use?
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
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--- On Fri, 9/3/10, Dave Sornborger <dsornbor@aol.com> wrote:
From: Dave Sornborger <dsornbor@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
=0A=0A =0AThanks Guys,Looks like Stewart is the way to go.Not much =0Ainto
the toxicity levels of the others,not to mention the KaBoom! =0Afactor.=0A
-- Thanks =0Aagain.Dave=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Dave,
Just for your consideration, there are several on this list, some with
currently flying Piets, that have used a quality house paint! I'll be using
the Stewart system to install the fabric, then painting with one such paint.
They are flexible, uv stable and protective, and bond to most surfaces.
Attached are a couple pics from Brodhead 2009 of Shad and Gary Bell's Piet.
I think they said their brand was Sears Weatherbeater! The brushed look was
intentional and gives the appearance of old-time linen.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sornborger
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 4:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
Thanks Guys,Looks like Stewart is the way to go.Not much into the toxicity
levels of the others,not to mention the KaBoom! factor.
Thanks again.Dave
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I would recommend the use of an SWR meter to adjust the comm antenna once it's
installed. ELT antennas should already be optimized for their specific frequencies.
I started with one that was too long. Antennas are optimized for a specific frequency;
I centered my measurements around 121.5 mHz, figuring that was the one
I probably cared most about. I nipped small sections off the tip of the antenna
until the SWR results didn't get any better.
I can't really comment on the effect your control cables might have, beyond telling
you that Faraday's cage was alive and well in my Cub, with all the tubing
everywhere. I could barely transmit to a local tower well within their 5nm radius.
I mounted an external and ran a few feet of coax to a BNC connector for
my handheld to get outside it; problem solved. I'm guessing with a wooden fuselage,
your cables shouldn't have that much effect. I don't know if the moisture
in the wood has a significant impact, but I doubt it. If this were microwaves
(like my TV dish antenna), leaves (epecially wet leaves) and trees seriously
attenuate the signal. I'm guessing these frequencies are low enough to punch
through those kinds of problems.
All that being said, it would be interesting to see a Smith chart for your antenna
mounted in your plane, but that's waaaaaay beyond the scope of normal aircraft
construction.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>Sent: Sep 3, 2010 2:13 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: antenna
>
>The groundplane does not have to be solid. Mine is an
>aluminum mesh acquired from an art supply house.
>
>I've added this antenna article also.
>
>My understanding is that you don't have to ground the
>groundplane to anything else. It IS the " ground " . The
>coax from the radio is attached to the groundplane.
>
>The only concern I have with mine is how it will be
>affected by the control cabling when I finaly get the
>thing in the air.
>
>Clif
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>
>> <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
>>
>> This is good information. I like the idea of an internal ground plane
>> sheet even if it isn't too big. I am guessing it needs to be grounded to
>> the negative battery terminal since it's mounted in a wood fuselage? or
>> maybe only the radio grounding from the antenna coax? probably wouldn't
>> matter for the ELT but might with a radio antenna as far as interference.
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interesting thoughts- maybe another good reason to not ground to the battery.time
will tell.this has been some great information on the replies.thanks Raymond
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| Subject: | Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
That is exactly my plan. (I should have been more specific.) I want to use Stewart's
to install the fabric, then paint with Glidden Exterior latex. The Stewart's
varnish is quite expensive...I was curious about a local bought spar varnish
or other urethane/polyurethane.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
I would also like to purchase 2 XL shirts as well, outstanding design!
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| Subject: | Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Dad's-is Ceco-bond ans Minwax spar varnish throughout.- If the glue is
water based I would just use spar varnish, the outdoor stuff of course.
-
Shad
--- On Fri, 9/3/10, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
That is exactly my plan. (I should have been more specific.) I want to use
Stewart's to install the fabric, then paint with Glidden Exterior latex. Th
e Stewart's varnish is quite expensive...I was curious about a local bought
spar varnish or other urethane/polyurethane.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
It might be a few weeks, mom probably won't want him out in the hanger for
a little while.- Moms dont want us to ruin that new baby smell.
-
Shad
p.s. here is a pic of the oldest by the piet, finding all the oil spots.
--- On Thu, 9/2/10, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The next future piet'er is here
Shad, I know this won't be easy but how soon to you think you can get a pic
ture of the little guy in your Piet?
rick
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:15 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrot
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Shad - Congrats! -Any pictures of the new boy?
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
No problem there, Shad. Just get some av-gas on your finger.the smell will
linger for awhile.pass it under his nose just before you hand him to mama
for a feeding. He'll soon learn that aviation fuel = sustenance. Who knows?
I'll bet that's what your dad did for you.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The next future piet'er is here
It might be a few weeks, mom probably won't want him out in the hanger for a
little while. Moms dont want us to ruin that new baby smell.
Shad
p.s. here is a pic of the oldest by the piet, finding all the oil spots.
--- On Thu, 9/2/10, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The next future piet'er is here
Shad, I know this won't be easy but how soon to you think you can get a
picture of the little guy in your Piet?
rick
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:15 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
<http://us.mc657.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> >
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Shad - Congrats! Any pictures of the new boy?
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Same here, just used exterior spar varnish (2 coats) on the wood and the
EcoBond sticks the fabric right to it without dissolving anything like
PolyTak would. Then used the 'Bell' method with the finish coats: a
cross-coat of exterior latex primer in the bare fabric and two cross coats
of satin exterior latex (except I used Sherwin-Williams Superpaint) using 3"
foam brushes (although it could easily be sprayed on as well, I test sprayed
a couple test panels which came out very nice).
rick
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:48 AM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dad's is Ceco-bond ans Minwax spar varnish throughout. If the glue is
> water based I would just use spar varnish, the outdoor stuff of course.
>
> Shad
>
> --- On *Fri, 9/3/10, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 10:08 AM
>
> That is exactly my plan. (I should have been more specific.) I want to
> use Stewart's to install the fabric, then paint with Glidden Exterior latex.
> The Stewart's varnish is quite expensive...I was curious about a local
> bought spar varnish or other urethane/polyurethane.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Priceless. You need to frame that one...
-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell
Sent: Sep 3, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The next future piet'er is here
It might be a few weeks, mom probably won't want him out in the hanger for a little
while. Moms dont want us to ruin that new baby smell.
Shad
p.s. here is a pic of the oldest by the piet, finding all the oil spots.
--- On Thu, 9/2/10, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The next future piet'er is here
Shad, I know this won't be easy but how soon to you think you can get a picture
of the little guy in your Piet?
rick
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:15 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
Shad - Congrats! Any pictures of the new boy?
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| Subject: | Re: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Matt, I'd like to unsubscribe--Jim lagowski
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From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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> Dear Listers,
>
> Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
> Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
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> You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules
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> Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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> - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
> posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
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> - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
> relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
Count me in too John.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Actually Gary, I did not grow up around airplanes.- Dad stopped flying a
couple years before I was born.- I always knew he was a pilot, but did no
t even get an airplane ride untill I was about12 or 13 yrs old, in one of d
ad's friend's Debonair.- We built and flew R/C airplanes for years.- Wh
en I was a senior in high school I started my flying lessons.- After I go
t my private I took Dad flying and he was hooked again.- About a year of
renting spam cans and he decided to build the Pietenpol.- Now at 32, and
now a father of 2,-I still can't believe I have a hanger and runway in my
back yard.- I am looking forward to flying with my boys some day, and I
hope they share the "desease" of aviation.- My biggest fears now are that
I am going to come home from work one day and the airplane is going to be
at the other- end of the runway.- I am sure they will both say "I don't
know how it got there".
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
John..
One each med & lg for me, too!
Al Lyscars
Manchester, NH
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts
Count me in too John.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Question for Westcoast Piet builders and flyers |
Hi Mike,
Here goes from my memory,
I (Scott Liefeld) base mine at Fox Field. Next to Edwards AFB. You should know
where that is since you work for NASA.
Joanne Painter has a flying Piet with a A-80 and is at Mojave Airport.
My dad (Sparky Sparks) is based at Gillespie Field in San Diego. GN-1.
John Kerr is based at Gillespie Field in San Diego. GN-1.
There is a flying one at Brown Field in San Diego.
There is a Flying GN-1 Lycoming powered at Lake Wolford near San Diego.
Mike Madrid is at Lompoc just north of Santa Barbra.
We have a non-flying Piet in the Muesum at Fox Field.
French Valley EAA chapter has the Project you saw at Brodhead.
Dan Rienhert has a Piet project nearly complete at Cable airport that is for sale.
With a model B, See barnstormers. Jay Cotting's old project.
Tom Lawthers has a project. He is a tower controller at Fox Field.
EAA chapter 1 at Flabob has a project.
Now my brain hurts. There could be 1 or 2 more I don't remember at the moment.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Broadhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Lookin' mighty nice, Rick! Don't know how you can stand that view, though..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
Same here, just used exterior spar varnish (2 coats) on the wood and the
EcoBond sticks the fabric right to it without dissolving anything like
PolyTak would. Then used the 'Bell' method with the finish coats: a
cross-coat of exterior latex primer in the bare fabric and two cross coats
of satin exterior latex (except I used Sherwin-Williams Superpaint) using 3"
foam brushes (although it could easily be sprayed on as well, I test sprayed
a couple test panels which came out very nice).
rick
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:48 AM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dad's is Ceco-bond ans Minwax spar varnish throughout. If the glue is water
based I would just use spar varnish, the outdoor stuff of course.
Shad
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
That is exactly my plan. (I should have been more specific.) I want to use
Stewart's to install the fabric, then paint with Glidden Exterior latex. The
Stewart's varnish is quite expensive...I was curious about a local bought
spar varnish or other urethane/polyurethane.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Just a quick note about my experience with Spar Varnish, After flying mine for
28 years I rebuilt it. I found that I had a very small gas leak in my fuel tank
that is in my center section. The gas penetrated the spar varnish and I had
to replace about 80% of my center section. When I rebuilt it I used epoxy
varnish from Poly Fiber. I hope it doesn't happen again.
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Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Broadhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
You have to remove yourself, just like you had to add yourself....
Ryan
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On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Lagowski Morrow <jimdeb@charter.net> wrote:
> jimdeb@charter.net>
>
> Matt, I'd like to unsubscribe--Jim lagowski
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
> To: <dralle@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:05 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
>
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>>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
>> Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
>> following URL:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>> Matronics Email List Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ******************************************************************************
>> Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
>>
>> ******************************************************************************
>>
>> The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the
>> Pietenpol-List.
>> You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules
>> therein.
>> Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
>> in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
>>
>>
>> Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
>>
>> The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
>> things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
>> are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
>> high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
>> among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
>> requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
>> the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
>>
>>
>> - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
>> posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
>> lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
>>
>> - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
>> relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
>>
>> - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
>> that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
>> terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
>> responses.
>>
>> - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
>> aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
>> about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
>> bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
>> space in the archive.
>>
>> - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
>> easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
>> web page or FAQ first.
>>
>> - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
>> your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
>> easy to find threads in the archive.
>>
>> - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
>> response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
>> reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
>> quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
>> can not be overstated!
>>
>> - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
>> then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
>> "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
>> response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
>> your response with the original poster's email address.
>>
>> - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
>> to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
>> agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
>> to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
>>
>> - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
>> comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
>> contribute something valuable.
>>
>> - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
>> polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
>> other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
>> controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
>> will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
>>
>> - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
>> subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
>> List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
>> should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
>> a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
>> is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
>> everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
Before the whole List gets filled with everyone placing their T-Shirt orders, thought
it might be a good time to mention that John usually just makes the T-Shirts
available through Caf Press, rather than taking orders. (At least that's
how his other great designs have been offered). So, it's probably best to just
wait till John says the design is available, and then place your orders through
the website. (Unless things are different for this design).
Of course, seeing all these requests for shirts is probably a good motivator for
John to get it done sooner.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
You're absolutely right, Bill!!
I'll take two...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts
Before the whole List gets filled with everyone placing their T-Shirt
orders, thought it might be a good time to mention that John usually just
makes the T-Shirts available through Caf Press, rather than taking orders.
(At least that's how his other great designs have been offered). So, it's
probably best to just wait till John says the design is available, and then
place your orders through the website. (Unless things are different for this
design).
Of course, seeing all these requests for shirts is probably a good motivator
for John to get it done sooner.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In |
Anybody who does not come back smiling from a flight in a Piet obviously has something
very wrong with them!
:D
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
Great point Bill. Spot on....
I'll take two.
Jess will want at least one...maybe two. ;)
Ryan
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On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> You're absolutely right, Bill!!
>
> I'll take two...
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 20 ribs done
> Do not archive
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Church
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:15 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts
>
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Before the whole List gets filled with everyone placing their T-Shirt
> orders, thought it might be a good time to mention that John usually just
> makes the T-Shirts available through Caf=E9 Press, rather than taking ord
ers.
> (At least that's how his other great designs have been offered). So, it's
> probably best to just wait till John says the design is available, and th
en
> place your orders through the website. (Unless things are different for
> this
> design).
>
> Of course, seeing all these requests for shirts is probably a good
> motivator
> for John to get it done sooner.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311254#311254
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Stewart system doesn't use any volatile solvents, so you can just use
spar varnish. You can use any quality brand. Do yourself and buy it by
the gallon. I used 3 quarts just doing my wing. As someone else
mentioned, it also works well with Latex paint. Watch the youtube
videos for an idea how it works. It is basically like a heat activated
contact cement with no odor. I did my covering with bare hands, no
respirator, in a closed up shop. It is heat activated, so you can work
it as slow or fast as you want, while shrinking your fabric around
compound curves, like wing tips and elevator edges. I've used the
Randolph systems in their covering seminars at Osh and Sun-n-fun, and
would use Stewart Eco-bond again in a heartbeat.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Took mom (76 years old) for her first Pietenpol ride today
On 9/3/2010 7:37 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> You guys using the Stewart's System, did you use their varnish for the
> bare wood prior to covering, if not, what brand/type varnish did you use?
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> --- On *Fri, 9/3/10, Dave Sornborger /<dsornbor@aol.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave Sornborger <dsornbor@aol.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 7:16 AM
>
> Thanks Guys,Looks like Stewart is the way to go.Not much into the
> toxicity levels of the others,not to mention the KaBoom! factor.
> Thanks again.Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
Glad you guys agree.
Oh, yeah, I'll take a Large.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts |
You're a good sport!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol airlines shirts
Glad you guys agree.
Oh, yeah, I'll take a Large.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Ben:
Good on you, mate! How did you get a 76 year old folded up enough to get
into the front 'pit?
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> 9/3/2010 1:03 PM >>>
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Took mom (76 years old) for her first Pietenpol ride today
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| Subject: | Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Getting her in is fairly easy. Getting her out is another matter.
Please dO nOt arcHive
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
Ben:
Good on you, mate! How did you get a 76 year old folded up enough to get
into the front 'pit?
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com> 9/3/2010 1:03 PM >>>
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Took mom (76 years old) for her first Pietenpol ride today
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
Perhaps Im thick or something but is there something different in those prints
that would make a plane built from them a more beautiful flying airplane? Since
he was referring to flying Allen Rudolph's old Piet and said, if I were to
build another Piet I'd do my best to replicate THAT one, I assume there was something
he noted about THAT airplane.
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
Well, it was a bit of a sarcastic reply. The Allen Rudolf Piet is pretty
well built to the plans. Technically, I should have taken a picture of the
F&G Manual, because I believe it was supposed to have been constructed from
that version of the plans back in the early '30s.
The point is that if you want to have a beautiful flying airplane, what's
contained in those prints will get you just that. :)
Ryan
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:57 PM, BYD <billsayre@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps I=92m thick or something but is there something different in thos
e
> prints that would make a plane built from them a more beautiful flying
> airplane? Since he was referring to flying Allen Rudolph's old Piet and
> said, =93if I were to build another Piet I'd do my best to replicate THAT
> one=94, I assume there was something he noted about THAT airplane.
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| Subject: | Re: 40 hour fly-off, state of model A |
Ryan,
I certainly won't argue with that, and I wondered if he might have meant that,
but I also wondered if there might have been details he noticed when flying it
that became obvious during operation. I have only flown in an original but not
at the controls.
Bill
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| Subject: | Started my rib jig today |
Used a pneumatic headless pinner for the blocks so it went together fairly quickly.
I'm fairly sure I'm going to staple the gussets instead of just clamping
so I can try to bang the ribs out fairly quickly.
Attached are some photos - does everything look correct?
I'm open to any suggestions from you guys on how to improve the jig and the rib
building process. Thanks.
Jamie
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| Subject: | Re: Started my rib jig today |
Jamie:
Looks good to me and very close to how I did mine. Note that the two spar
spacers you have will be very easy to glue to your ribs unless your put
something between the spar spacer and the sticks to be glued. I tried
small pieces of waxed paper which worked OK but had to be replaced each
time as they would rip when you pulled the glued up spar out of the jig
(after the glue cured of course.) I found that coating the spar spacer at
the joints with a light coat of Vaseline kept the glue from sticking and
made removal from the jig a lot simpler. Your milage may vary.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
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| Subject: | Tailbrace wire idea |
Saw a plane at a fly-in a couple of weeks ago that used a different idea for the
tailbrace wires. The plane was a Rans S-6, and I noticed that the tailbrace
wires did not have any turnbuckles. The method used to avoid turnbuckles was to
put a pattern of staggered holes in the small brackets attached to the cables
that get screwed to the tailplanes. If the cable isn't snug enough, move to
the next hole.
Well, my description probably has you scratching your head as to what I'm trying
to explain, so here's a picture:
Personally, I think I prefer the traditional turnbuckles, but this method is a
lightweight alternative that has some merit.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Started my rib jig today |
Jamie its looking=C2- good; get building ribs.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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From: "JGriff" <jgriffith19@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 3, 2010 2:33:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Started my rib jig today
Used a pneumatic headless pinner for the blocks so it went together fairly
quickly. I'm fairly sure I'm going to staple the gussets instead of just cl
amping so I can try to bang the ribs out fairly quickly.
Attached are some photos - does everything look correct?
I'm open to any suggestions from you guys on how to improve the jig and the
rib building process. Thanks.
Jamie
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| Subject: | Re: Started my rib jig today |
My two cents... If I were building a new rib jig today I think it would be the
612 rib. I would also drill two holes in both vertical upright braces that are
next to the wing spars. Instead of nailing the ribs to the spar through the
top capstrip as shown in the plans, many builders nail the uprights to the spar.
I used a picture frame nailer to squeeze the nails into the spar.
Hope you enjoy building your ribs.
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| Subject: | Re: Started my rib jig today |
My two cents... If I were building a new rib jig today I think it would be the
612 rib. I would also drill two holes in both vertical upright braces that are
next to the wing spars. Instead of nailing the ribs to the spar through the
top capstrip as shown in the plans, many builders nail the uprights to the spar.
I used a picture frame nailer to squeeze the nails into the spar.
Hope you enjoy building your ribs.
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| Subject: | Tailbrace wire idea |
I wondered how I was going to explain away all those mis-aligned holes in my
brackets....
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 3:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailbrace wire idea
Saw a plane at a fly-in a couple of weeks ago that used a different idea for
the tailbrace wires. The plane was a Rans S-6, and I noticed that the
tailbrace wires did not have any turnbuckles. The method used to avoid
turnbuckles was to put a pattern of staggered holes in the small brackets
attached to the cables that get screwed to the tailplanes. If the cable
isn't snug enough, move to the next hole.
Well, my description probably has you scratching your head as to what I'm
trying to explain, so here's a picture:
Personally, I think I prefer the traditional turnbuckles, but this method is
a lightweight alternative that has some merit.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart |
Mike,
I am not aware that they sell varnish, but I used two-part epoxy varnish
which is bulletpoof (but expensive). If I were you I would call Dan Stewa
rt and ask him. The Stewart's are very good about calling you back with ad
vice.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 3, 2010 6:37 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
You guys using the Stewart's System, did you use their varnish for the bar
e wood prior to covering, if not, what brand/type varnish did you use?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for the input-stits-ceconite-stewart
Thanks Guys,Looks like Stewart is the way to go.Not much into the toxicity
levels of the others,not to mention the KaBoom! factor.
Thanks again.Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Tailbrace wire idea |
This is a generally great idea to save weight, money, and some rigging.
However, those multiple choice" cross-drilled holes are way too close together.
As I understand it, we are supposed to have 2 times the diameter of the hole,
from the center of the hole, to the edge of the material or to another such
hole. Our BP drawings do not always provide that, either re edges, but these
holes shown are very tight to each other.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>Sent: Sep 3, 2010 5:20 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailbrace wire idea
>
>
>Saw a plane at a fly-in a couple of weeks ago that used a different idea for the
tailbrace wires. The plane was a Rans S-6, and I noticed that the tailbrace
wires did not have any turnbuckles. The method used to avoid turnbuckles was
to put a pattern of staggered holes in the small brackets attached to the cables
that get screwed to the tailplanes. If the cable isn't snug enough, move to
the next hole.
>Well, my description probably has you scratching your head as to what I'm trying
to explain, so here's a picture:
>
>Personally, I think I prefer the traditional turnbuckles, but this method is a
lightweight alternative that has some merit.
>
>Bill C.
>
>
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311298#311298
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| Subject: | Re: Started my rib jig today |
Good work Jamie, the only thing I did different was add round cams cut from
1" dowels when several of you outside blocks are, made it easier to insert
and remove parts (and finished ribs). The dowels are drilled off center and
held down with short desk screws.
rick
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:33 PM, JGriff <jgriffith19@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Used a pneumatic headless pinner for the blocks so it went together fairly
> quickly. I'm fairly sure I'm going to staple the gussets instead of just
> clamping so I can try to bang the ribs out fairly quickly.
> Attached are some photos - does everything look correct?
> I'm open to any suggestions from you guys on how to improve the jig and the
> rib building process. Thanks.
> Jamie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311293#311293
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib4_439.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib1_173.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Started my rib jig today |
To keep from gluing my rib to my jig, I used pieces of plastic grocery
bag, about a 2"x2" square under each joint. After removing the rib from
the jig the next day, the plastic will peel right off. I'm not sure it
would be a great idea to pull the rib out of the jig before the glue is
cured if that's what you meant by "bang the ribs out fairly quickly" I
did my ribs one day at a time, and it took over a month. It is a good
way to see if you have the stamina to finish the project though. I made
a few practice ribs using cheap lumber, and they are still in use as
wall decorations. Have fun and enjoy the journey!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
On 9/3/2010 5:33 PM, JGriff wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "JGriff"<jgriffith19@comcast.net>
>
> Used a pneumatic headless pinner for the blocks so it went together fairly quickly.
I'm fairly sure I'm going to staple the gussets instead of just clamping
so I can try to bang the ribs out fairly quickly.
> Attached are some photos - does everything look correct?
> I'm open to any suggestions from you guys on how to improve the jig and the rib
building process. Thanks.
> Jamie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311293#311293
>
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