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1. 03:37 AM - Re: Color suggestions (Dan P)
2. 04:15 AM - Re: Color suggestions (j_dunavin)
3. 04:34 AM - Re: Split Axel gear width (Jack Phillips)
4. 05:39 AM - Re: Color suggestions (taildrags)
5. 06:39 AM - Happy Labor Day (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: Wing education, please advise.. (tkreiner)
7. 07:54 AM - Re: Happy Labor Day (Jim Markle)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Color suggestions (Jeff Boatright)
9. 08:06 AM - Re: Fabric (kevinpurtee)
10. 08:58 AM - Continental engine (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
11. 09:12 AM - Re: Split Axel gear width (Steve Singleton)
12. 09:56 AM - Permision to go to Lee Bottom (shad bell)
13. 10:53 AM - Re: Happy Labor Day (Steve Ruse)
14. 11:07 AM - Re: Happy Labor Day (Jeff Boatright)
15. 11:42 AM - Re: Split Axel gear width (Billy McCaskill)
16. 11:43 AM - Re: The next future piet'er is here (Dan Yocum)
17. 11:48 AM - Jeff's camera mount (Dan Yocum)
18. 11:52 AM - Re: Split Axel gear width (899PM)
19. 12:23 PM - A 1930's Aircraft Print (Gerry Holland)
20. 03:00 PM - Re: Jeff's camera mount (Jeff Boatright)
21. 04:25 PM - Re: A 1930's Aircraft Print (Gary Boothe)
22. 04:25 PM - Re: A 1930's Aircraft Print (Gary Boothe)
23. 04:34 PM - Re: Happy Labor Day (Dan P)
24. 04:39 PM - Re: Jeff's camera mount (Jeff Boatright)
25. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Happy Labor Day (Ryan Mueller)
26. 05:25 PM - Re: Jeff's camera mount (Dan Yocum)
27. 05:30 PM - Re: Wing education, please advise.. (Pieti Lowell)
28. 05:31 PM - What to look for in a 3/4 built Pietenpol (JGriff)
29. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Split Axel gear width (Steve Singleton)
30. 05:41 PM - Review of Blakesburg Antique Aircraft Association flyin (ldmill)
31. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Split Axel gear width (Rick Holland)
32. 07:37 PM - Re: Happy Labor Day (Billy McCaskill)
33. 07:56 PM - Re: What to look for in a 3/4 built Pietenpol (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
34. 08:06 PM - Re: Continental engine (Jerry Dotson)
35. 10:14 PM - Re: What to look for in a 3/4 built Pietenpol (Billy McCaskill)
36. 10:35 PM - Re: Continental engine (jorge lizarraga)
37. 10:35 PM - Re: cabane strut length (jorge lizarraga)
38. 10:59 PM - Re: Wing education, please advise.. (Billy McCaskill)
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| Subject: | Re: Color suggestions |
CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> No! no! no! Go get yourself some British Railroad Engine Green and
> paint your engine with that. Then get some BRE yellow and pinstripe
> the thing.
>
>
>
Then all your lacking is a John Deere decal. :)
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Dan Plett
N28WH
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| Subject: | Re: Color suggestions |
I vote for the ford blue, or for the british railroad green with brass idea
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| Subject: | Split Axel gear width |
>From center of one tire to center of the other, my tread measures 72". I
have 21" wheels.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Singleton
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Split Axel gear width
Need some advice-I'm setting up my split axel with 19in wheels and useing
the plans spec of 56in gear width. Just wondering if this is what most Piets
have. Also have the top longerons at about 50in. I do not have the tires
mounted yet so height may be a bit more when done. Any advice would be
apreciated. Thanks. Steve Singleton
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| Subject: | Re: Color suggestions |
Engine's gotta be black if you keep the paint scheme that you show in the picture.
I like the green and brass, but not with that paint scheme.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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NX41CC did not fly this Labor Day. Still in the hangar,
working on squawks from the condition inspection. You
know how it is... you pull the cowlings and covers to
work on one thing and you end up doing half a dozen others.
I decided to change the engine thrustline to eliminate
some of the left-turning tendency that the rudder trim tab
does not correct, as well as a bit of nose-up tendency in
cruise. Probably not possible to ever fly the airplane
hands-off, but I'm going to work on it. Using washers on
the engine mount bolts to put the engine at about 2 degrees
downthrust and 2 degrees right thrust. It was set pretty
much straight and level in both axes.
I also had to remake one of the cooling eyebrow mounting
tabs and the bracket that holds it to the engine. Fatigue
cracks.
We'll see how it flies... should be back in the air this
weekend. There is the Critter's Lodge fly-in the 24th
through 26th of this month, then Reklaw October 22-24, and
then a fly-in at Kingsbury Aerodrome on November 13. Maybe
able to make one or two of those.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Wing education, please advise.. |
Joe,
All of the airfoils currently being used will be suitable for the Piet, and the
FC-10 - the original, is widely described in these pages.
My Piet is being built using a three piece wing, with a center section baggage
compartment. The airfoil I've chosen is the Riblett 613.5, which will give me
27% greater baggage compartment volume. If used for a wing tank, 27% greater
fuel volume... In a Piet, with such little room for storage, baggage, cockpit
covers, etc., increasing the size of a baggage compartment might be the most
useful thing you can do to the craft.
Since the plane is plans built, scratch built, and the philosophy of Mr. Pietenpol
was to try different things, like the Corvair, for example, why not use another
airfoil if it provides what you want in the aircraft?
Just my .02 worth.
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Labor Day |
I may POSSIBLY be taking the RV down to Recklaw so if you make that one....you'll
have a place to stay.
Don't know for sure yet but sure hoping to make it!
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 7, 2010 9:18 AM
>To: Pietenpol List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy Labor Day
>
>
>
>NX41CC did not fly this Labor Day. Still in the hangar,
>working on squawks from the condition inspection. You
>know how it is... you pull the cowlings and covers to
>work on one thing and you end up doing half a dozen others.
>
>I decided to change the engine thrustline to eliminate
>some of the left-turning tendency that the rudder trim tab
>does not correct, as well as a bit of nose-up tendency in
>cruise. Probably not possible to ever fly the airplane
>hands-off, but I'm going to work on it. Using washers on
>the engine mount bolts to put the engine at about 2 degrees
>downthrust and 2 degrees right thrust. It was set pretty
>much straight and level in both axes.
>
>I also had to remake one of the cooling eyebrow mounting
>tabs and the bracket that holds it to the engine. Fatigue
>cracks.
>
>We'll see how it flies... should be back in the air this
>weekend. There is the Critter's Lodge fly-in the 24th
>through 26th of this month, then Reklaw October 22-24, and
>then a fly-in at Kingsbury Aerodrome on November 13. Maybe
>able to make one or two of those.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Color suggestions |
Nothing flies like a deer!
Do not archive
>
>
>CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
>> No! no! no! Go get yourself some British Railroad Engine Green and
>> paint your engine with that. Then get some BRE yellow and pinstripe
>> the thing.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Then all your lacking is a John Deere decal. :)
>
>--------
>Dan Plett
>N28WH
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Carson - I used the 2.6.
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Continental engine |
Has anyone had experience with a 1954 Continental C-125 Aircraft Engine?
There is a guy on the field who is selling one for $500, don't know if
it has logs yet or not just saw a post.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: Split Axel gear width |
Thanks Jack-I thought this looked a bit narrow. Steve Singleton
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Split Axel gear width
From center of one tire to center of the other, my tread measures 72".
I have 21" wheels.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Permision to go to Lee Bottom |
Well, I got the OK from the "Boss" to go down to the Wood, Fabric, And Tail
wheels fly-in.- Now all I need is some good weather for a few days.- Le
aving friday about noon, heading home sat, mid afternoon.- Hope to see so
me of you there.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Labor Day |
Oscar,
Your note on adding washers to change the thrustline reminded me of
this article I read recently. I'm not suggesting you did anything
wrong by any means, your story simply triggered this in my memory. I
just wanted to throw this out to the group as a reminder that it is
very important to used tried and proven methods and materials when it
comes to airframes, engines and other critical components.
In this report, a Stearman lost his engine in flight. "Lost" as in,
the engine fell off the airplane. This of course drastically changes
the CG and makes the airplane uncontrollable. The Stearman crashed,
killing the pilot.
The accident investigation determined the cause of the crash was the
use of low carbon steel washers on the engine mount bolts. In short,
the low-carbon steel washers compressed more than a higher quality
washer would've done during aerobatic maneuvers. This reduced tension
on the bolts, which resulted in a shearing load being placed on the
bolts rather than this load being passed from the mount to the
airframe through friction on the washers (no bolt tension = no
friction). This allowed the bolts to move slightly, causing fatigue
and eventually failure. Prior to reading this, it would've been easy
(for me at least) to assume that any steel washer would be adequate.
Granted, our engine mounts aren't subject to anywhere near this type
of stress...still, its worth the extra pennies in my opinion to use
tried and proven parts wherever possible (unless you have the
engineering knowledge necessary to deem a part acceptable).
http://www.caa.co.za/resource%20center/accidents%20&%20incid/reports/2007/8321.pdf
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> NX41CC did not fly this Labor Day. Still in the hangar,
> working on squawks from the condition inspection. You
> know how it is... you pull the cowlings and covers to
> work on one thing and you end up doing half a dozen others.
>
> I decided to change the engine thrustline to eliminate
> some of the left-turning tendency that the rudder trim tab
> does not correct, as well as a bit of nose-up tendency in
> cruise. Probably not possible to ever fly the airplane
> hands-off, but I'm going to work on it. Using washers on
> the engine mount bolts to put the engine at about 2 degrees
> downthrust and 2 degrees right thrust. It was set pretty
> much straight and level in both axes.
>
> I also had to remake one of the cooling eyebrow mounting
> tabs and the bracket that holds it to the engine. Fatigue
> cracks.
>
> We'll see how it flies... should be back in the air this
> weekend. There is the Critter's Lodge fly-in the 24th
> through 26th of this month, then Reklaw October 22-24, and
> then a fly-in at Kingsbury Aerodrome on November 13. Maybe
> able to make one or two of those.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Labor Day |
Another great reason for this list. Thanks, Steve, good post.
Do not archive
>
>Oscar,
>
>Your note on adding washers to change the thrustline reminded me of
>this article I read recently. I'm not suggesting you did anything
>wrong by any means, your story simply triggered this in my memory.
>I just wanted to throw this out to the group as a reminder that it
>is very important to used tried and proven methods and materials
>when it comes to airframes, engines and other critical components.
>
>In this report, a Stearman lost his engine in flight. "Lost" as in,
>the engine fell off the airplane. This of course drastically
>changes the CG and makes the airplane uncontrollable. The Stearman
>crashed, killing the pilot.
>
>The accident investigation determined the cause of the crash was the
>use of low carbon steel washers on the engine mount bolts. In
>short, the low-carbon steel washers compressed more than a higher
>quality washer would've done during aerobatic maneuvers. This
>reduced tension on the bolts, which resulted in a shearing load
>being placed on the bolts rather than this load being passed from
>the mount to the airframe through friction on the washers (no bolt
>tension = no friction). This allowed the bolts to move slightly,
>causing fatigue and eventually failure. Prior to reading this, it
>would've been easy (for me at least) to assume that any steel washer
>would be adequate.
>Granted, our engine mounts aren't subject to anywhere near this type
>of stress...still, its worth the extra pennies in my opinion to use
>tried and proven parts wherever possible (unless you have the
>engineering knowledge necessary to deem a part acceptable).
>
>http://www.caa.co.za/resource%20center/accidents%20&%20incid/reports/2007/8321.pdf
>
>Steve Ruse
>Norman, OK
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Split Axel gear width |
Jack, Steve was asking about the split steel gear, not the wood Jenny-style gear
as you have on your plane. On my plans, the split gear is shown as 56" center
to center between the wheels. However, the wheels shown on the plans are much
more like ATV tires than motorcycle wheels. I think that Don Emch has split
gear and motorcycle tires, maybe he will chime in and discuss how he built
his landing gear.
I see no reason not to make that dimension a bit wider to give better stability
while taxiing and during take-off or landing roll-outs...
Steve, maybe you should block up your fuselage with saw horses (or whatever it
takes) to the proper stance and height to the top longeron that the plane will
have while sitting on the ground, and then take the measurements for your landing
gear so that you can build it to make it sit like it should.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: The next future piet'er is here |
Hey Kip,
Bring a couple to Brodhead next year - we'll get a cadre together and
smoke 'em while we sit along the runway and judge the landings. I want
to be the Russian judge - he never scores anyone higher than a 4.
;-)
Dan
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On 09/01/2010 09:50 PM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote:
> I'll roll a couple up for ya Dan (I've been test growing some tobacco
> varieties organically for potential clients)
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Jeff's camera mount |
Jeff,
A while back you posted how you mounted your video camera to your
Pietenpol, but I can't seem to find how you did it in the archives. Can
you elaborate on what you use and how you mount it?
I mounted my video camera to the rear cabane on N8031 a couple weeks ago
but the vibration of the picture is pretty bad except when the throttle
is almost closed. It's either due to the prop wash or the engine
vibration, but I'm leaning toward prop wash.
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Split Axel gear width |
My split gear with 21" inch wheels is 60" ctr to ctr.
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| Subject: | A 1930's Aircraft Print |
Hi.
Spotted a Print of a range of 1930=B9s Homebuilt Aircraft including Sky Scout
and my own Aircraft, a Corben.
Some nice models. 3rd item on web page.
http://ptatransitauthority.blogspot.com/
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's camera mount |
Dan,
I bought an inexpensive mini-tripod. The legs are like angle iron in
shape. When they are folded together, they can be strapped to a
cabane. I use the velcro that the tripod came with plus plenty of
electrician's tape. When I screw the camera to the tripod, it's
upside-down, but your camera may fit rightside-up. Regardless, keep
the camera from touching the tripod. I turn the thumb screw pretty
tightly, plus I wrap tape around the perimeter of the camera twice,
capturing the thumb screw on either side per turn of tape.
There is a photo of a tripod/camera strapped to a tree at this link
that is similar to this:
http://www.amazon.com/Pedco-UltraPod-Lightweight-Camera-Tripod/dp/B000ANCPNM/ref=pd_sim_dbs_p_13
Note that you can find these tripods on the web for $10 or less. Mine
was a promotional Minolta tripod that I got for something like $9
delivered:
http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___87557
HTH,
Jeff
>
>Jeff,
>
>A while back you posted how you mounted your video camera to your
>Pietenpol, but I can't seem to find how you did it in the archives.
>Can you elaborate on what you use and how you mount it?
>
>I mounted my video camera to the rear cabane on N8031 a couple weeks
>ago but the vibration of the picture is pretty bad except when the
>throttle is almost closed. It's either due to the prop wash or the
>engine vibration, but I'm leaning toward prop wash.
>
>Thanks,
>Dan
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | A 1930's Aircraft Print |
What are those streaks coming off the wheels? Looks like it's going
fast..nah, can't be..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry
Holland
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A 1930's Aircraft Print
Hi.
Spotted a Print of a range of 1930's Homebuilt Aircraft including Sky Scout
and my own Aircraft, a Corben.
Some nice models. 3rd item on web page.
http://ptatransitauthority.blogspot.com/
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | A 1930's Aircraft Print |
What are those streaks coming off the wheels? Looks like it's going
fast..nah, can't be..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry
Holland
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A 1930's Aircraft Print
Hi.
Spotted a Print of a range of 1930's Homebuilt Aircraft including Sky Scout
and my own Aircraft, a Corben.
Some nice models. 3rd item on web page.
http://ptatransitauthority.blogspot.com/
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Labor Day |
jboatri(at)emory.edu wrote:
> Another great reason for this list. Thanks, Steve, good post.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
That it is. Another concern that goes hand in hand with tried and true construction
is the quality of the fasteners themselves. Many of the bolts that lumber
yards and hardware store sell do not meet the grade rating stamped on the
bolts, nuts and washers.
One of the local pilots told of a Pitts crash where two people were killed. The
investigation determined that bolts/nuts that fastening the tail had pulled
the threads out of the nut. The bolts were bought at a hardware store. Be
sure your buying quality fasteners. Lawson is one brand I use that is top quality
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N28WH
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's camera mount |
Oops. I meant to write: "Keep the camera from touching the cabane."
I find if it touches any part of the plane, it picks up vibration in
the film pretty badly.
>
>Dan,
>
>I bought an inexpensive mini-tripod. The legs are like angle iron in
>shape. When they are folded together, they can be strapped to a
>cabane. I use the velcro that the tripod came with plus plenty of
>electrician's tape. When I screw the camera to the tripod, it's
>upside-down, but your camera may fit rightside-up. Regardless, keep
>the camera from touching the tripod. I turn the thumb screw pretty
>tightly, plus I wrap tape around the perimeter of the camera twice,
>capturing the thumb screw on either side per turn of tape.
>
>There is a photo of a tripod/camera strapped to a tree at this link
>that is similar to this:
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Pedco-UltraPod-Lightweight-Camera-Tripod/dp/B000ANCPNM/ref=pd_sim_dbs_p_13
>
>Note that you can find these tripods on the web for $10 or less.
>Mine was a promotional Minolta tripod that I got for something like
>$9 delivered:
>
>http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___87557
>
>HTH,
>
>Jeff
>
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Labor Day |
A pretty simple rule to abide by when trying to determine what hardware to
use: if it's going on an aircraft, then it should be aircraft grade
AN/MS/NAS hardware....
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Dan P <dlplett@swko.net> wrote:
> <snip>
> That it is. Another concern that goes hand in hand with tried and true
> construction is the quality of the fasteners themselves. Many of the bolts
> that lumber yards and hardware store sell do not meet the grade rating
> stamped on the bolts, nuts and washers.
>
> One of the local pilots told of a Pitts crash where two people were killed.
> The investigation determined that bolts/nuts that fastening the tail had
> pulled the threads out of the nut. The bolts were bought at a hardware
> store. Be sure your buying quality fasteners. Lawson is one brand I use
> that is top quality
>
> --------
> Dan Plett
> N28WH
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's camera mount |
Thanks Jeff,
That's basically what I've got - an el cheapo I picked up in the way out of the
Eddie Bauer outlet store.
Hm, the camera has an auto optical image stabilization feature - I wonder if the
vibrations are driving it crazy.
Btw, I sent you a couple emails off-list. Maybe your filter is tuned to reject
mail from us .gov addresses. You know, we're from the government and we're here
to help you!
;-)
Thanks,
Dan
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wing education, please advise.. |
One more thought:
Check out which airfoil is flying when the ambient temperatures are in the high
90's, and you want to take a friend that weights over 200 , up to cooler air.
You just might need an 0200 or more to even get off the runway. Only my experiences
of many thousand hours since 1941, has taught me a few well learned lessons.
By the way, did Mr Pietenpol ever install a Corvair engine with out the supplied
blower ?
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | What to look for in a 3/4 built Pietenpol |
I may go look at a partially built Pietenpol that sounds like it is on its gear
and mostly covered. I think it is a short fuselage, 3 piece wing, and has an
A65 that has 800 hours but hasn't run in a while. It's been a 10 year project
that the builder has lost interest in. Unfortunately I couldn't get a lot of information
due to spotty cell phone reception but I'm going to call back later
this week to get more info. I may go look at it this weekend but if I do what
are some of the things I should look for? Are there some gotchas I should keep
an eye open for? I need help coming up with a checklist and questions I should
be asking so any help is appreciated.
Thanks.
Jamie
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| Subject: | Re: Split Axel gear width |
>I have my fuselage blocked up and my axles set where the longeron will be
>at 51in. The 56 looked a bit narrow so i moved the wheels out to 60in. To
>me this still seems narrow. I really enjoy the building process but will be
>much glad when this gear is done. Steve S
Jack, Steve was asking about the split steel gear, not the wood Jenny-style
gear as you have on your plane. On my plans, the split gear is shown as 56"
center to center between the wheels. However, the wheels shown on the plans
are much more like ATV tires than motorcycle wheels. I think that Don Emch
has split gear and motorcycle tires, maybe he will chime in and discuss how
he built his landing gear.
>
> I see no reason not to make that dimension a bit wider to give better
> stability while taxiing and during take-off or landing roll-outs...
>
> Steve, maybe you should block up your fuselage with saw horses (or
> whatever it takes) to the proper stance and height to the top longeron
> that the plane will have while sitting on the ground, and then take the
> measurements for your landing gear so that you can build it to make it sit
> like it should.
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
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| Subject: | Review of Blakesburg Antique Aircraft Association flyin |
Went to Blakesburg, Iowa this year for the 4th year in a row - the big difference
being that I actually got to fly myself there this time. I flew the GN-1 in
on Saturday, September 4th. The weather was absolutely gorgeous! Severe clear
with winds out of the west at about 6 mph - direct crosswind for the north/south
grass strip.
As I landed, I noticed there was a crowd of around 75 - 100 folks in the "peanut
gallery" critiquing landings - which means that mine was definitely not as
good as I'd have liked it to be - but hey - nothing got damaged...
Taxiing to the assigned parking spot on the south east side of the field - it
was like going down the red carpet in Hollywood - about 100 people lined the run
and camera's were snapping. They pretty much did this to every non-spam-can
plane that landed, but it sure made the old girl happy as she putt-putted past
the line of Fairchilds, Curtiss Robins, Howard DGA's, Stearmans, Meyers, and
a host of other golden oldies. Talk about a slice of heaven!
I had probably 75-80 people stop by the plane and talk to me about it - it was
amazing how many had actually either built a Piet, were building a Piet, thier
grandpa/uncle/dad had build a Piet - or were thinking about building one. There
was a ton of interest in this design.
The old girl didn't win the dead grass award for the day - but she sure came away
happy knowing that even though she's getting a little old - she's can still
turn a young man's head...
Cheers!
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: Split Axel gear width |
My split gear with 8.0x6 tires ends up at 62" tire center to center.
rick
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Steve Singleton <slsingleton@cvalley.net>wrote:
> slsingleton@cvalley.net>
>
> I have my fuselage blocked up and my axles set where the longeron will be
>> at 51in. The 56 looked a bit narrow so i moved the wheels out to 60in. To me
>> this still seems narrow. I really enjoy the building process but will be
>> much glad when this gear is done. Steve S
>>
>
>
> Jack, Steve was asking about the split steel gear, not the wood Jenny-style
> gear as you have on your plane. On my plans, the split gear is shown as 56"
> center to center between the wheels. However, the wheels shown on the plans
> are much more like ATV tires than motorcycle wheels. I think that Don Emch
> has split gear and motorcycle tires, maybe he will chime in and discuss how
> he built his landing gear.
>
>>
>> I see no reason not to make that dimension a bit wider to give better
>> stability while taxiing and during take-off or landing roll-outs...
>>
>> Steve, maybe you should block up your fuselage with saw horses (or
>> whatever it takes) to the proper stance and height to the top longeron that
>> the plane will have while sitting on the ground, and then take the
>> measurements for your landing gear so that you can build it to make it sit
>> like it should.
>>
>> --------
>> Billy McCaskill
>> Urbana, IL
>> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311711#311711
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Labor Day |
Good rule, Ryan. Hard to go wrong that way...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | What to look for in a 3/4 built Pietenpol |
I'd say to definately find out what glue was used and the procedure=2C mix
ratios etc... Some are very particular on how they're done.
Check out the joints as much as you can see them. Are the joints tightly m
ade or are there large gaps? Check to see that it is square - bring your o
wn measuring tools too. Check weld quality - by quality I guess all you'll
be able to see if if the welds look pretty clean and even or are they real
ly irregular and full of holes and slag.
If you have the plans=2C take them with you and check out as many dimension
s as you can.
Someone else may pipe up on the engine but I guess first and foremost - doe
s it turn over and does it have compression? If it's sat a long time the b
earings may be pretty dry - might plan a rebuild into the cost just to be s
ure you're not getting screwed.
If the price is right and it looks to be of average or better quality=2C yo
u probably have a winner.
My $0.02
Tom B.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: What to look for in a 3/4 built Pietenpol
> From: jgriffith19@comcast.net
> Date: Tue=2C 7 Sep 2010 17:31:15 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I may go look at a partially built Pietenpol that sounds like it is on it
s gear and mostly covered. I think it is a short fuselage=2C 3 piece wing
=2C and has an A65 that has 800 hours but hasn't run in a while. It's been
a 10 year project that the builder has lost interest in. Unfortunately I co
uldn't get a lot of information due to spotty cell phone reception but I'm
going to call back later this week to get more info. I may go look at it th
is weekend but if I do what are some of the things I should look for? Are t
here some gotchas I should keep an eye open for? I need help coming up with
a checklist and questions I should be asking so any help is appreciated.
> Thanks.
> Jamie
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311751#311751
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Continental engine |
I am vaguely. The only aircraft I remember seeing that used them was the Swift.
Continental made a gazillion of this type engine. It was a 6 cylinder version
of the C-85. Displacement is 282 cu. in.
The C-145 and the O-300 were developed from the C-125 just a little more stroke.
C75,C-85 and C-125 cylinders are the same part number. So I would think it would
be a pretty good engine design wise. Most of those C-125's on the Swift have
been replaced with Lycoming O-360's not from a reliability standpoint but
to get more speed and climb.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: What to look for in a 3/4 built Pietenpol |
Also find out what type of wood was used in the construction. Not everyone has
used spruce to build an airplane with, or aircraft grade plywood. There are
acceptable substitutes for spruce, but you can't use just any ol' wood that kinda
looks like it might be ok. Look for any major deviations from the plans,
and if there are any, ask why they were made.
Look at the hardware that was used. Is it AN hardware? Is there a builder's log
or any photo documentation of the build? Is there a log with the engine?
Sloppy building procedures and processes are usually readily apparent but sometimes
the basic craftsmanship can very good but still not be airworthy just because
the builder did not have any experience with aircraft building. Building
an airplane isn't the same thing as building a nice bookcase for the family
room...
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Continental engine |
if you cand buy it later found the log think is for 500. the a65 is 2,500 i
n groun rusty part needed over hole ..
--- On Tue, 9/7/10, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
wrote:
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental engine
Has anyone had experience with a 1954 Continental C-125 Aircraft Engine?
There is a guy on the field who is selling one for $500, don't know if
it has logs yet or not just saw a post.
Brian
SLC-UT
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: cabane strut length |
hi tom im builder from hanford and my blue print say if you ask about cente
r ones mens cockpit be front ones 21-1/4" bolt to bolt and rear ones 20-1/4
" bolt to bolt if you one put in fron side thoses toll guys you need add 2"
more in each one. section if you ask for the wing struts is front and back
89- 3/4' plas modification if your add 2"in center one I hope these dates
helpyou tanks for lisening jorge from hanford
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: cabane strut length
Anyone have any good data on Cabane strut length.- Can't find dimensions
on the drawings.
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing education, please advise.. |
I think what Pieti is saying is that if you build your plane with the original
FC-10 airfoil that you will have a perfectly serviceable, good flying plane.
But if you substitute the GA30-612 Riblett airfoil, you will have a much better
flying airplane. Based on his experience (lots of it), and not just theory
and opinion, I'm inclined to believe what he has to say. Here's a clip where
he talks about the merits of the Riblett airfoils and his experience with them...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHHnzw1V5FY
I personally plan to build the 612 airfoil for mine, otherwise I am sticking rather
tenaciously to the plans (aside from using one of those confounded Crank
Snappin' Corvair motors).
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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