---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/12/10: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:53 AM - louvers (Lawrence Williams) 2. 05:28 AM - Re: Flight training (skellytown flyer) 3. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Cabane to engine mount struts (Michael Perez) 4. 07:25 AM - Re: to weld or not to weld (Michael Perez) 5. 08:17 AM - Johnson AirSpeed Indicator .... (womenfly2) 6. 11:33 AM - atta boy! Dale (dwilson) 7. 03:30 PM - Re: Sexy Rib Art (Pieti Lowell) 8. 03:47 PM - Re: Wing education, please advise.. (Pieti Lowell) 9. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: Wing education, please advise.. (Doug Dever) 10. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: Wing education, please advise.. (Harvey Rule) 11. 04:30 PM - Bungee to Spring Conversion Complete (kevinpurtee) 12. 04:53 PM - Re: to weld or not to weld (Rick Holland) 13. 05:04 PM - Re: Bungee to Spring Conversion Complete (Gary Boothe) 14. 06:10 PM - e-mail problems (shad bell) 15. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: Flight training (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 16. 07:42 PM - Re: Sexy Rib Art (Billy McCaskill) 17. 07:48 PM - Re: louvers (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:16 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: louvers Gardner- I would say that if you have a Mack truck cowl on the front of your Air Camper, you have a lot more serious issues than where to punch a few louvers! Larry W. do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight training From: "skellytown flyer" Good to know-thanks. Dumas is only about 65 miles from here.but Midland is about 175 or so miles south so probably this fellow won't be able to get much good from him.plus I found out what he has built is a very light singe seat that would probably qualify as a legal ultralight so he will need to get some training in a very light aircraft but unless he wants to pursue the full ticket wouldn't have to and still fly.we did locate an instructor up in Perryton even farther north of here that has an aircraft that he trains with so if the guy wants to drive this far maybe he can get some training from him. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312198#312198 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:48 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane to engine mount struts Thanks Bill for your input. Yes, you are looking at the correct struts. I guess it would be wise to go larger/stronger. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:16 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld I tried to get away from welding at first. I had not welded in a long, long time and while building the plane, I did not want to take the time to re-learn how to do it. I am fortunate enough to have access to a nice TIG welder, so I took the time to practice and talk to other welders for help. I now have plenty of welded fittings made and I really do enjoy doing it. It is a nice break from the wood and epoxy sometimes. I enjoy it so much that I am going to tackle making my own aluminum fuel tank soon. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Johnson AirSpeed Indicator .... From: "womenfly2" If anyone is interested in one, I have some kits I put together ....... Please click here. (https://sites.google.com/site/pietenpolplanpackages/pietenpol-plan-packages) -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312204#312204 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: atta boy! Dale From: "dwilson" http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/102655644.html?elr=KArks:DCiU1PciUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312218#312218 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sexy Rib Art From: "Pieti Lowell" Has she got a sister ? Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312230#312230 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing education, please advise.. From: "Pieti Lowell" Is it possible to get a better glide ratio if I stop the prop from rotating , or does that make it worse ? I will try it and let you all know, if it also can be restarted, just in case Palmyra is too far away , I'm Thinking. I'm Thinking, Maybe a video would prove some of my claims,. By the way, the 612 airfoil has under camber and a gorgeous fuller front side that makes a shape as sexy as they come. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312236#312236 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:20 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing education, please advise.. Yes=2C Lowell=2C you will. It's just about the same drag as a disc of the same diameter. Similar to setting a windmilling propeller to zero thrust when simulating an engine failure in a twin. Not quite as good=2C but beat s a windmilling prop any day. even in my ultralight I noticed a difference .. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing education=2C please advise.. > From: Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com > Date: Sun=2C 12 Sep 2010 15:45:12 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > com> > > Is it possible to get a better glide ratio if I stop the prop from rotati ng =2C or does that make it worse ? I will try it and let you all know=2C i f it also can be restarted=2C just in case Palmyra is too far away =2C I'm Thinking. I'm Thinking=2C Maybe a video would prove some of my claims=2C. > By the way=2C the 612 airfoil has under camber and a gorgeous fuller fron t side that makes a shape as sexy as they come. > Pieti Lowell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312236#312236 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:43 PM PST US From: Harvey Rule Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing education, please advise.. There is a certain revelution that when your prop is turning at that rev it makes it seem like there is a big piece of wood in front of the aircraft =2Clike a wall.Increase reves and it goes away=2Creduce revs and it goes aw ay as well.Your prop makes much less drag when stopped. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing education=2C please advise.. > From: Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com > Date: Sun=2C 12 Sep 2010 15:45:12 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > com> > > Is it possible to get a better glide ratio if I stop the prop from rotati ng =2C or does that make it worse ? I will try it and let you all know=2C i f it also can be restarted=2C just in case Palmyra is too far away =2C I'm Thinking. I'm Thinking=2C Maybe a video would prove some of my claims=2C. > By the way=2C the 612 airfoil has under camber and a gorgeous fuller fron t side that makes a shape as sexy as they come. > Pieti Lowell > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312236#312236 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bungee to Spring Conversion Complete From: "kevinpurtee" Finished the swap on my split axle gear from bungees to springs. So far so good. This is what I've noticed: - the plane rocks back and forth a bit during taxi - never noticed that with the bungees. Not a problem, just different, - on landing, the plane is a bit more squirrelly. Again, not a problem,just need to be aware, and I'm supposed to be paying attention anyway, - the plane does not squat out under load near as much as it did with the bungees. Thanks to Kelly Klaus. He's one of our list members. He came to visit a couple of weeks ago and consented to be my crash-test dummy for the gross weight tests on the new gear. Trusting guy! Different subject: Tropical Storm Hermine ran 6" of water through my hangar. Really inconvenient. No major damage though. I continue to be extremely fortunate. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312242#312242 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: to weld or not to weld From: Rick Holland Yup aluminum welding is even fun with a TIG (yes I know real men weld aluminum with gas). Would recommend .040 or .050 5052, .032 works but is more of a challenge to weld. rick On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > I tried to get away from welding at first. I had not welded in a long, long > time and while building the plane, I did not want to take the time to > re-learn how to do it. I am fortunate enough to have access to a nice TIG > welder, so I took the time to practice and talk to other welders for help. I > now have plenty of welded fittings made and I really do enjoy doing it. It > is a nice break from the wood and epoxy sometimes. I enjoy it so much that I > am going to tackle making my own aluminum fuel tank soon. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:26 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bungee to Spring Conversion Complete You do seem to have fortune on your side! When we first meet, remind me to rub your head for good luck...or is it your belly?...I always forget which... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bungee to Spring Conversion Complete Finished the swap on my split axle gear from bungees to springs. So far so good. This is what I've noticed: - the plane rocks back and forth a bit during taxi - never noticed that with the bungees. Not a problem, just different, - on landing, the plane is a bit more squirrelly. Again, not a problem,just need to be aware, and I'm supposed to be paying attention anyway, - the plane does not squat out under load near as much as it did with the bungees. Thanks to Kelly Klaus. He's one of our list members. He came to visit a couple of weeks ago and consented to be my crash-test dummy for the gross weight tests on the new gear. Trusting guy! Different subject: Tropical Storm Hermine ran 6" of water through my hangar. Really inconvenient. No major damage though. I continue to be extremely fortunate. -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312242#312242 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:45 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: e-mail problems Sorry to any of you on list I have not responded to, I just checked my spam folder and found that some piet list measages have been geting "Spam Canne d" for about 3 weeks.- Thanks to all for the kind words (and funny ones t oo) about my new baby boy.- - Happy Building, Flying, And Fixing - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:35 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight training Roger, Now I get to throw out some random ideas. The EAA still has an ultralight organization that has instructors. I would check there. I think he will have to travel. Look over at Hobbs, NM. I would also do some calling in Sweetwater and Abilene. San Angelo has a big flying population (relatively.). The other thought he may look at is finding someone with the most similar training aircraft and going there to get the training. It sure is a good idea for him to get training. Ultralights don't require any training by reg. But a lot of people have been hurt training themselves how to fly! Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: skellytown flyer Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight training > > Good to know-thanks. Dumas is only about 65 miles from here.but Midland is about 175 or so miles south so probably this fellow won't be able to get > much good from him.plus I found out what he has built is a very > light singe seat that would probably qualify as a legal ultralight > so he will need to get some training in a very light aircraft but > unless he wants to pursue the full ticket wouldn't have to and > still fly.we did locate an instructor up in Perryton even farther > north of here that has an aircraft that he trains with so if the > guy wants to drive this far maybe he can get some training from him. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312198#312198 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sexy Rib Art From: "Billy McCaskill" Hey Pieti, Her sister's number is GA30-612, and I hear she is available... [Laughing] -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312263#312263 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:34 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: louvers I'll bet he has a bulldog painted it too. Oh! Hi Gardner, didn't see you standing there. :-) Clif Gardner- I would say that if you have a Mack truck cowl on the front of your Air Camper, you have a lot more serious issues than where to punch a few louvers! Larry W. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 09/11/10 23:34:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.