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1. 03:04 AM - Parts for Piets? (TriScout)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Parts for Piets? (skellytown flyer)
3. 06:09 AM - Flight test report (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 06:46 AM - Pietenpolie Girl (Pieti Lowell)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: Brodhead 2011 dates (jeff wilson)
6. 07:15 AM - FW: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! (Jack Phillips)
7. 07:41 AM - Re: 131 photos from Brodhead, 2010 (kevinpurtee)
8. 09:04 AM - Re: Me and the Boys (shad bell)
9. 11:17 AM - Re: Me and the Boys (Michael Perez)
10. 11:50 AM - Re: Me and the Boys (Jim Boyer)
11. 11:53 AM - Auxillary Fuel System (kevinpurtee)
12. 12:38 PM - Re: Auxillary Fuel System (Jack Phillips)
13. 12:44 PM - Re: Me and the Boys (shad bell)
14. 01:11 PM - Re: Auxillary Fuel System (airlion)
15. 01:49 PM - Re: Flight test report (Mild Bill)
16. 02:22 PM - Re: Me and the Boys (Michael Perez)
17. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: Flight test report (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 04:18 PM - rear torque tube bearing, wear (shad bell)
19. 05:39 PM - Re: Auxillary Fuel System (Gary Boothe)
20. 06:54 PM - Re: Flight test report (Gene Rambo)
21. 08:48 PM - Re: Wing education, please advise.. (j_dunavin)
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| Subject: | Parts for Piets? |
Found a link that may have an occasional hard to find part for a Piet builder.
It's really a Cub site.. Larry
http://www.j3-cub.com/smf/index.php?board=3.0
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| Subject: | Re: Parts for Piets? |
interesting- I wish we had a little place on this site for advertising parts that
might be helpful to each other.I'm still looking for an affordable set of
6" wheels that will work on my Cub ( I think) gear with 1 1/" axles . but the
5" ones on it now will do I guess.I suppose there is no substitute for barnstormers.I
sold my Chronometer on there yesterday. Raymond .
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| Subject: | Flight test report |
Hello all,
Took the Piet up last evening. It was glorious weather and windless. She
flies like a dream. Water temps are about 185 at cruise power. I am still
having that same old problem, where on final the A wants to sputter and
quit if I pull the throttle all the way back. I have not tried to change
anything yet, but I think before the next flight I am going to restrict
the carb heat can air-intake opening, in order to pick-up more heat from
the #1 exhaust stack. That would address the possibility that the problem
was carb ice.
At present I am designing a killer logo that is going to be hand-painted
to both the fuselage sides. I cannot reveal what it is quite yet, as I am
sure Gene Rambo would steal it and show up at Brodhead right before me ne
xt year.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Pietenpolie Girl |
Just in case it is difficult to see a neat shirt. a few left.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2011 dates |
Isn't it always on the weekend before OshKosh? The last day, Sunday, of the
Brodhead reunion, is the first day of OshKosh. So look on the EAA site for
the dates of next years fly-in and there you go.
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From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2011 dates
Gene,
Checked on the BPA and 431 site, and they don't have any calendars or offic
ial announcements that far out yet. However, unless there is some-unfores
een break from how it is usually scheduled it should be Thursday July 21 th
rough Saturday-July 23 (wrapping up/departing on Sunday July 24)....that
is my educated guess.-=0A
Ryan
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| Subject: | FW: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! |
For those just getting started building a Pietenpol, all of these items
are
worth having, and the Bingelis books are =93must have=94 items. The
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wWelding book has a lot of good information, including the key steps to
produce the flattened tubing parts that are used to a great extent in
building a Pietenpol. Even the Sheet Metal book and DVD are useful, as
there is a fair amount of riveting involved in making a Pietenpol
cowling.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: 131 photos from Brodhead, 2010 |
Really nice, Mike. Thanks for posting those.
Axel
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Me and the Boys |
Mom was taking the picture.- She got home with the boys and came out to s
ee what I was into.- Just thought it was a good photo op, get him started
early into aviation.
-
Shad
--- On Tue, 9/14/10, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys
Hey Shad,
Great family photo except where is momma and grandpa?
Piet still really good looking too.
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:17:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys
Here is a photo of the Bell Clan minus Grandpa, and his Pietenpol, "Little
Joe", Me, and "Shakey Jake", Joe is 2 weeks, I am 32, and Jake is 22months.
- If I wasnt a lard Butt, that piet could carry my whole family!!!!
-
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Me and the Boys |
Very nice Shad! One question...what size/material struts did you use for the cabane
to engine mounts?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Me and the Boys |
Hi Shad,
>From the oldest boy's name I can see a Piet in the future with a Jacobs radial
on it. Hope your boys have as much fun helping you in the future as I did with
my dad.
Jim B.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:01:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys
Mom was taking the picture. She got home with the boys and came out to see what
I was into. Just thought it was a good photo op, get him started early into aviation.
Shad
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys
Hey Shad,
Great family photo except where is momma and grandpa?
Piet still really good looking too.
Jim B.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:17:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys
Here is a photo of the Bell Clan minus Grandpa, and his Pietenpol, "Little Joe", Me, and "Shakey Jake", Joe is 2 weeks, I am 32, and Jake is 22months. If I wasnt a lard Butt, thatt; http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web Site -http://www=======================
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| Subject: | Auxillary Fuel System |
I'd like your thoughts on ways to add the redneck Extended Range Fuel System (ERFS)
to the airplane. The design I'm currently considering is as follows:
- A 3 to 5 gallon can securely strapped in the front seat,
- A small pump driven by two D batteries with a dead-man switch (this pump may
not have enough power, but it was only $13 so I felt it worth the experiment),
- Hoses secured appropriately from can to pump, up and over the wing, then to the
fuel tank filler on top of wing,
- Modified gas cap to accept the inlet line.
Assumptions:
- No permanent mods to the airplane,
- No passengers,
- Portable and removable in 30 minutes with hand tools,
- Used only on long cross-country flights.
We have an outstanding safety culture on this list. If you're concerned about
the gas, be advised that I fly with 11 gallons 6" above my head every time I take
off. A well-secured auxillary tank with equally well-secured hardware and
plumbing is acceptable to me.
I welcome any suggestions or ideas to do it better.
Thanks,
Axel
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| Subject: | Auxillary Fuel System |
Kevin,
When I put the smoke system in my Pietenpol, I used a 3 gallon portable fuel
tank for an outboard motor, which I purchased at West Marine. If fits
perfectly on the floorboard between the front rudder pedals, and is secured
by using a bungee cord stretched over the tank behind the filler neck and
attached to a pair of eyebolts in the ash crossmember behind the rudder
pedals. Here is the website for the fuel tank:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId
=27615&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=10106&subdeptNum=104
43&classNum=10444
I think I would use a tank such as this rather than a can. It has a gage
built in, has a good sealing cap and a closeable vent. If you use an
outboard type fuel line, it also has a quick disconnect and a priming bulb,
to get the fuel from the tank to your pump. I think I would use your main
tank until you have flown out at least 3 gallons, then use this tank to
re-fill the main tank.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Auxillary Fuel System
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
I'd like your thoughts on ways to add the redneck Extended Range Fuel System
(ERFS) to the airplane. The design I'm currently considering is as follows:
- A 3 to 5 gallon can securely strapped in the front seat,
- A small pump driven by two D batteries with a dead-man switch (this pump
may not have enough power, but it was only $13 so I felt it worth the
experiment),
- Hoses secured appropriately from can to pump, up and over the wing, then
to the fuel tank filler on top of wing,
- Modified gas cap to accept the inlet line.
Assumptions:
- No permanent mods to the airplane,
- No passengers,
- Portable and removable in 30 minutes with hand tools,
- Used only on long cross-country flights.
We have an outstanding safety culture on this list. If you're concerned
about the gas, be advised that I fly with 11 gallons 6" above my head every
time I take off. A well-secured auxillary tank with equally well-secured
hardware and plumbing is acceptable to me.
I welcome any suggestions or ideas to do it better.
Thanks,
Axel
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Me and the Boys |
I would have to check with Dad, I believe it is 3/4 od, not sure on the wal
l thickness, probably at least .049".- There is a hole drilled through th
e bottom end with a bushing welded in, and you can probably see the fork en
d on top.- It is a little bit of a sharp angle, not the best angle in the
event of a sudden stoppage crash, it would probably be better if it was a
little flatter of an angle.- Be glad the piet cabanes are simple to fabri
cate, my jungster 1 struts are a real pain, lots of compound angles and lot
s of welding opperations in comparison.
-
Shad
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From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys
Very nice Shad! One question...what size/material struts did you use for th
e cabane to engine mounts?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Auxillary Fuel System |
Hey Axel, Put a probe on top of your center section and call for a tanker.
Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 2:51:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Auxillary Fuel System
I'd like your thoughts on ways to add the redneck Extended Range Fuel System
(ERFS) to the airplane. The design I'm currently considering is as follows:
- A 3 to 5 gallon can securely strapped in the front seat,
- A small pump driven by two D batteries with a dead-man switch (this pump may
not have enough power, but it was only $13 so I felt it worth the experiment),
- Hoses secured appropriately from can to pump, up and over the wing, then to
the fuel tank filler on top of wing,
- Modified gas cap to accept the inlet line.
Assumptions:
- No permanent mods to the airplane,
- No passengers,
- Portable and removable in 30 minutes with hand tools,
- Used only on long cross-country flights.
We have an outstanding safety culture on this list. If you're concerned about
the gas, be advised that I fly with 11 gallons 6" above my head every time I
take off. A well-secured auxillary tank with equally well-secured hardware and
plumbing is acceptable to me.
I welcome any suggestions or ideas to do it better.
Thanks,
Axel
--------
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Flight test report |
Don, was that you flying over Roscoe just before the Fall Festival parade last
Sunday?
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| Subject: | Re: Me and the Boys |
Thank you !
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flight test report |
Nope, that wasn't me. I was in TN.
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From: Mild Bill <whfrank@charter.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:46 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight test report
Don, was that you flying over Roscoe just before the Fall Festival parade
last
unday?
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| Subject: | rear torque tube bearing, wear |
Has anyone else noticed any wear to the rear torque tube support sleeve bea
ring (the one right under the front of the rear cockpit seat).- I noticed
it last night while taking out the front stick in preperation for the lee
bottom fly-in.- It is just starting to get a little bit of radial play, s
o I had to take it apart to inspect how much wear there was.- It is worn
but not worn out yet ( about 5/1000 or so), I think I will see if dad wants
to redesign it with a small roller bearing to illiminate the problem, if i
t were to wear too much the aft end of the aileron torque tube-could be c
ut off, causing a possible loss of control.- Just thought I would throw t
his out there, and see if any of you have noticed any similar wear.- The
way I found the wear was to grab the- torque tube (on the floor in the re
ar cockpit) and move it from side to side, up and down, and see if it moves
in the ----O---- looking suport.- You will have to pull the seat bottom
to be able to see the- rear bearing support, but you will hear the tube
moving around if it has any play in it.-
-
Let me know if anyone finds anything,
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| Subject: | Auxillary Fuel System |
Kevin,
When you get that extra tank figgered out, you'll need the civilian version
of the Human Element Range Extender.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Auxillary Fuel System
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
I'd like your thoughts on ways to add the redneck Extended Range Fuel System
(ERFS) to the airplane. The design I'm currently considering is as follows:
- A 3 to 5 gallon can securely strapped in the front seat,
- A small pump driven by two D batteries with a dead-man switch (this pump
may not have enough power, but it was only $13 so I felt it worth the
experiment),
- Hoses secured appropriately from can to pump, up and over the wing, then
to the fuel tank filler on top of wing,
- Modified gas cap to accept the inlet line.
Assumptions:
- No permanent mods to the airplane,
- No passengers,
- Portable and removable in 30 minutes with hand tools,
- Used only on long cross-country flights.
We have an outstanding safety culture on this list. If you're concerned
about the gas, be advised that I fly with 11 gallons 6" above my head every
time I take off. A well-secured auxillary tank with equally well-secured
hardware and plumbing is acceptable to me.
I welcome any suggestions or ideas to do it better.
Thanks,
Axel
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Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Flight test report |
you're a fine one to talk about stealing=2C you four-flusher!
Rambo
do not archive
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight test report
From: helspersew@aol.com
Hello all=2C
Took the Piet up last evening. It was glorious weather and windless. She fl
ies like a dream. Water temps are about 185 at cruise power. I am still hav
ing that same old problem=2C where on final the A wants to sputter and quit
if I pull the throttle all the way back. I have not tried to change anythi
ng yet=2C but I think before the next flight I am going to restrict the car
b heat can air-intake opening=2C in order to pick-up more heat from the #1
exhaust stack. That would address the possibility that the problem was carb
ice.
At present I am designing a killer logo that is going to be hand-painted to
both the fuselage sides. I cannot reveal what it is quite yet=2C as I am s
ure Gene Rambo would steal it and show up at Brodhead right before me next
year.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing education, please advise.. |
Just a few more questions:
I really like the idea of incorporating a "gap less" aileron on our wing as seen
here:
https://sites.google.com/site/pietenpolplanpackages/pietenpol-plan-packages
How does the riblet design work in the ailerons? Do i still need gap tape? Would
this kit work on the new wing?
And to summarize the riblet wing will provide better stall, lift, and cruise performance?
Thanks for the help
Joe
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