---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/15/10: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:04 AM - Parts for Piets? (TriScout) 2. 05:41 AM - Re: Parts for Piets? (skellytown flyer) 3. 06:09 AM - Flight test report (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 06:46 AM - Pietenpolie Girl (Pieti Lowell) 5. 06:49 AM - Re: Brodhead 2011 dates (jeff wilson) 6. 07:15 AM - FW: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! (Jack Phillips) 7. 07:41 AM - Re: 131 photos from Brodhead, 2010 (kevinpurtee) 8. 09:04 AM - Re: Me and the Boys (shad bell) 9. 11:17 AM - Re: Me and the Boys (Michael Perez) 10. 11:50 AM - Re: Me and the Boys (Jim Boyer) 11. 11:53 AM - Auxillary Fuel System (kevinpurtee) 12. 12:38 PM - Re: Auxillary Fuel System (Jack Phillips) 13. 12:44 PM - Re: Me and the Boys (shad bell) 14. 01:11 PM - Re: Auxillary Fuel System (airlion) 15. 01:49 PM - Re: Flight test report (Mild Bill) 16. 02:22 PM - Re: Me and the Boys (Michael Perez) 17. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: Flight test report (helspersew@aol.com) 18. 04:18 PM - rear torque tube bearing, wear (shad bell) 19. 05:39 PM - Re: Auxillary Fuel System (Gary Boothe) 20. 06:54 PM - Re: Flight test report (Gene Rambo) 21. 08:48 PM - Re: Wing education, please advise.. (j_dunavin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Parts for Piets? From: "TriScout" Found a link that may have an occasional hard to find part for a Piet builder. It's really a Cub site.. Larry http://www.j3-cub.com/smf/index.php?board=3.0 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312499#312499 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Parts for Piets? From: "skellytown flyer" interesting- I wish we had a little place on this site for advertising parts that might be helpful to each other.I'm still looking for an affordable set of 6" wheels that will work on my Cub ( I think) gear with 1 1/" axles . but the 5" ones on it now will do I guess.I suppose there is no substitute for barnstormers.I sold my Chronometer on there yesterday. Raymond . do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312505#312505 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight test report From: helspersew@aol.com Hello all, Took the Piet up last evening. It was glorious weather and windless. She flies like a dream. Water temps are about 185 at cruise power. I am still having that same old problem, where on final the A wants to sputter and quit if I pull the throttle all the way back. I have not tried to change anything yet, but I think before the next flight I am going to restrict the carb heat can air-intake opening, in order to pick-up more heat from the #1 exhaust stack. That would address the possibility that the problem was carb ice. At present I am designing a killer logo that is going to be hand-painted to both the fuselage sides. I cannot reveal what it is quite yet, as I am sure Gene Rambo would steal it and show up at Brodhead right before me ne xt year. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpolie Girl From: "Pieti Lowell" Just in case it is difficult to see a neat shirt. a few left. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312513#312513 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpolie_girl_005_180.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:29 AM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2011 dates Isn't it always on the weekend before OshKosh? The last day, Sunday, of the Brodhead reunion, is the first day of OshKosh. So look on the EAA site for the dates of next years fly-in and there you go. Do not Archive. --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2011 dates Gene, Checked on the BPA and 431 site, and they don't have any calendars or offic ial announcements that far out yet. However, unless there is some-unfores een break from how it is usually scheduled it should be Thursday July 21 th rough Saturday-July 23 (wrapping up/departing on Sunday July 24)....that is my educated guess.-=0A Ryan On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ACan someone give me the exact dates for Brodhead 2011?- I am bidding for my vacation next year and I need to make sure I get the r ight dates. =0A- =0AGene =0A=0A " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:09 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! For those just getting started building a Pietenpol, all of these items are worth having, and the Bingelis books are =93must have=94 items. The Aircraft wWelding book has a lot of good information, including the key steps to produce the flattened tubing parts that are used to a great extent in building a Pietenpol. Even the Sheet Metal book and DVD are useful, as there is a fair amount of riveting involved in making a Pietenpol cowling. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: EAA Aeronautica [mailto:membership@eaa.mmsend.com] On Behalf Of EAA Aeronautica Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:06 AM Subject: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! Click to view this email online Aeronautica - official EAA Merchandise Save up to 20% on Select How-to Books But hurry-this offer ends Tuesday, September 21! Choose from: How-to books Bingelis Set of 4 Books EAA Aircraft Welding Book and Welding/Corrosion DVD Combo Sheet Metal Building Basics Book And more! 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Axel do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312523#312523 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:22 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys Mom was taking the picture.- She got home with the boys and came out to s ee what I was into.- Just thought it was a good photo op, get him started early into aviation. - Shad --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Jim Boyer wrote: From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys Hey Shad, Great family photo except where is momma and grandpa? Piet still really good looking too. Jim B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "shad bell" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:17:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys Here is a photo of the Bell Clan minus Grandpa, and his Pietenpol, "Little Joe", Me, and "Shakey Jake", Joe is 2 weeks, I am 32, and Jake is 22months. - If I wasnt a lard Butt, that piet could carry my whole family!!!! - Shad le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:14 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys Very nice Shad! One question...what size/material struts did you use for the cabane to engine mounts? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:20 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys Hi Shad, >From the oldest boy's name I can see a Piet in the future with a Jacobs radial on it. Hope your boys have as much fun helping you in the future as I did with my dad. Jim B. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "shad bell" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:01:47 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys Mom was taking the picture. She got home with the boys and came out to see what I was into. Just thought it was a good photo op, get him started early into aviation. Shad --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Jim Boyer wrote: From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys Hey Shad, Great family photo except where is momma and grandpa? Piet still really good looking too. Jim B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "shad bell" < aviatorbell@yahoo.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 5:17:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys Here is a photo of the Bell Clan minus Grandpa, and his Pietenpol, "Little Joe", Me, and "Shakey Jake", Joe is 2 weeks, I am 32, and Jake is 22months. If I wasnt a lard Butt, thatt; http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web Site -http://www======================= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Auxillary Fuel System From: "kevinpurtee" I'd like your thoughts on ways to add the redneck Extended Range Fuel System (ERFS) to the airplane. The design I'm currently considering is as follows: - A 3 to 5 gallon can securely strapped in the front seat, - A small pump driven by two D batteries with a dead-man switch (this pump may not have enough power, but it was only $13 so I felt it worth the experiment), - Hoses secured appropriately from can to pump, up and over the wing, then to the fuel tank filler on top of wing, - Modified gas cap to accept the inlet line. Assumptions: - No permanent mods to the airplane, - No passengers, - Portable and removable in 30 minutes with hand tools, - Used only on long cross-country flights. We have an outstanding safety culture on this list. If you're concerned about the gas, be advised that I fly with 11 gallons 6" above my head every time I take off. A well-secured auxillary tank with equally well-secured hardware and plumbing is acceptable to me. I welcome any suggestions or ideas to do it better. Thanks, Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312541#312541 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:33 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Auxillary Fuel System Kevin, When I put the smoke system in my Pietenpol, I used a 3 gallon portable fuel tank for an outboard motor, which I purchased at West Marine. If fits perfectly on the floorboard between the front rudder pedals, and is secured by using a bungee cord stretched over the tank behind the filler neck and attached to a pair of eyebolts in the ash crossmember behind the rudder pedals. Here is the website for the fuel tank: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId =27615&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=10106&subdeptNum=104 43&classNum=10444 I think I would use a tank such as this rather than a can. It has a gage built in, has a good sealing cap and a closeable vent. If you use an outboard type fuel line, it also has a quick disconnect and a priming bulb, to get the fuel from the tank to your pump. I think I would use your main tank until you have flown out at least 3 gallons, then use this tank to re-fill the main tank. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Auxillary Fuel System I'd like your thoughts on ways to add the redneck Extended Range Fuel System (ERFS) to the airplane. The design I'm currently considering is as follows: - A 3 to 5 gallon can securely strapped in the front seat, - A small pump driven by two D batteries with a dead-man switch (this pump may not have enough power, but it was only $13 so I felt it worth the experiment), - Hoses secured appropriately from can to pump, up and over the wing, then to the fuel tank filler on top of wing, - Modified gas cap to accept the inlet line. Assumptions: - No permanent mods to the airplane, - No passengers, - Portable and removable in 30 minutes with hand tools, - Used only on long cross-country flights. We have an outstanding safety culture on this list. If you're concerned about the gas, be advised that I fly with 11 gallons 6" above my head every time I take off. A well-secured auxillary tank with equally well-secured hardware and plumbing is acceptable to me. I welcome any suggestions or ideas to do it better. Thanks, Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312541#312541 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:46 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys I would have to check with Dad, I believe it is 3/4 od, not sure on the wal l thickness, probably at least .049".- There is a hole drilled through th e bottom end with a bushing welded in, and you can probably see the fork en d on top.- It is a little bit of a sharp angle, not the best angle in the event of a sudden stoppage crash, it would probably be better if it was a little flatter of an angle.- Be glad the piet cabanes are simple to fabri cate, my jungster 1 struts are a real pain, lots of compound angles and lot s of welding opperations in comparison. - Shad --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Michael Perez wrote: From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys Very nice Shad! One question...what size/material struts did you use for th e cabane to engine mounts? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:25 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Auxillary Fuel System Hey Axel, Put a probe on top of your center section and call for a tanker. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: kevinpurtee Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 2:51:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Auxillary Fuel System I'd like your thoughts on ways to add the redneck Extended Range Fuel System (ERFS) to the airplane. The design I'm currently considering is as follows: - A 3 to 5 gallon can securely strapped in the front seat, - A small pump driven by two D batteries with a dead-man switch (this pump may not have enough power, but it was only $13 so I felt it worth the experiment), - Hoses secured appropriately from can to pump, up and over the wing, then to the fuel tank filler on top of wing, - Modified gas cap to accept the inlet line. Assumptions: - No permanent mods to the airplane, - No passengers, - Portable and removable in 30 minutes with hand tools, - Used only on long cross-country flights. We have an outstanding safety culture on this list. If you're concerned about the gas, be advised that I fly with 11 gallons 6" above my head every time I take off. A well-secured auxillary tank with equally well-secured hardware and plumbing is acceptable to me. I welcome any suggestions or ideas to do it better. Thanks, Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312541#312541 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight test report From: "Mild Bill" Don, was that you flying over Roscoe just before the Fall Festival parade last Sunday? -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312554#312554 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:18 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Me and the Boys Thank you ! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight test report From: helspersew@aol.com Nope, that wasn't me. I was in TN. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Mild Bill Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:46 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight test report Don, was that you flying over Roscoe just before the Fall Festival parade last unday? -------- ill Frank ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312554#312554 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:06 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: rear torque tube bearing, wear Has anyone else noticed any wear to the rear torque tube support sleeve bea ring (the one right under the front of the rear cockpit seat).- I noticed it last night while taking out the front stick in preperation for the lee bottom fly-in.- It is just starting to get a little bit of radial play, s o I had to take it apart to inspect how much wear there was.- It is worn but not worn out yet ( about 5/1000 or so), I think I will see if dad wants to redesign it with a small roller bearing to illiminate the problem, if i t were to wear too much the aft end of the aileron torque tube-could be c ut off, causing a possible loss of control.- Just thought I would throw t his out there, and see if any of you have noticed any similar wear.- The way I found the wear was to grab the- torque tube (on the floor in the re ar cockpit) and move it from side to side, up and down, and see if it moves in the ----O---- looking suport.- You will have to pull the seat bottom to be able to see the- rear bearing support, but you will hear the tube moving around if it has any play in it.- - Let me know if anyone finds anything, - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:17 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Auxillary Fuel System Kevin, When you get that extra tank figgered out, you'll need the civilian version of the Human Element Range Extender. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Auxillary Fuel System I'd like your thoughts on ways to add the redneck Extended Range Fuel System (ERFS) to the airplane. The design I'm currently considering is as follows: - A 3 to 5 gallon can securely strapped in the front seat, - A small pump driven by two D batteries with a dead-man switch (this pump may not have enough power, but it was only $13 so I felt it worth the experiment), - Hoses secured appropriately from can to pump, up and over the wing, then to the fuel tank filler on top of wing, - Modified gas cap to accept the inlet line. Assumptions: - No permanent mods to the airplane, - No passengers, - Portable and removable in 30 minutes with hand tools, - Used only on long cross-country flights. We have an outstanding safety culture on this list. If you're concerned about the gas, be advised that I fly with 11 gallons 6" above my head every time I take off. A well-secured auxillary tank with equally well-secured hardware and plumbing is acceptable to me. I welcome any suggestions or ideas to do it better. Thanks, Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312541#312541 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flight test report you're a fine one to talk about stealing=2C you four-flusher! Rambo do not archive Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight test report From: helspersew@aol.com Hello all=2C Took the Piet up last evening. It was glorious weather and windless. She fl ies like a dream. Water temps are about 185 at cruise power. I am still hav ing that same old problem=2C where on final the A wants to sputter and quit if I pull the throttle all the way back. I have not tried to change anythi ng yet=2C but I think before the next flight I am going to restrict the car b heat can air-intake opening=2C in order to pick-up more heat from the #1 exhaust stack. That would address the possibility that the problem was carb ice. At present I am designing a killer logo that is going to be hand-painted to both the fuselage sides. I cannot reveal what it is quite yet=2C as I am s ure Gene Rambo would steal it and show up at Brodhead right before me next year. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove=2C IL. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing education, please advise.. From: "j_dunavin" Just a few more questions: I really like the idea of incorporating a "gap less" aileron on our wing as seen here: https://sites.google.com/site/pietenpolplanpackages/pietenpol-plan-packages How does the riblet design work in the ailerons? Do i still need gap tape? Would this kit work on the new wing? And to summarize the riblet wing will provide better stall, lift, and cruise performance? 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