Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 09/17/10


Total Messages Posted: 32



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:12 AM - Re: what I've never seen at Brodhead (Pieti Lowell)
     2. 06:27 AM - Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In (robisons)
     3. 07:08 AM - 54th Annual Tulsa Fly-In Saturday - anyone going? (Steve Ruse)
     4. 07:40 AM - My Piet is Famous (Gary Boothe)
     5. 07:45 AM - Re: 54th Annual Tulsa Fly-In Saturday - anyone going? (Jim Markle)
     6. 08:05 AM - Re: My Piet is Famous (TOM STINEMETZE)
     7. 08:31 AM - Re: 54th Annual Tulsa Fly-In Saturday - anyone 	going? (Steve Ruse)
     8. 08:31 AM - Re: My Piet is Famous (Jim Markle)
     9. 08:45 AM - Re: My Piet is Famous (Gary Boothe)
    10. 08:52 AM - Sticker (Gary Boothe)
    11. 09:30 AM - Re: My Piet is Famous (K5YAC)
    12. 09:33 AM - Re: 54th Annual Tulsa Fly-In Saturday - anyone going? (K5YAC)
    13. 09:46 AM - Re: Pietenpol still making history today? (Tim Willis)
    14. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: My Piet is Famous (Gary Boothe)
    15. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Wing education, please advise.. (Jim Boyer)
    16. 11:11 AM - Re: My Piet is Famous (Jim Boyer)
    17. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: My Piet is Famous (Jim Boyer)
    18. 11:17 AM - Re: My Piet is Famous (Gary Boothe)
    19. 11:39 AM - Re: Sticker (Ben Charvet)
    20. 12:25 PM - Re: My Piet is Famous (Bill Church)
    21. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is Famous (Jim Markle)
    22. 01:40 PM - Re: Sticker (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    23. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is Famous (amsafetyc@aol.com)
    24. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is Famous (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    25. 05:18 PM - Re: Sticker (Pieti Lowell)
    26. 05:55 PM - Re: Sticker (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    27. 05:55 PM - Re: Sticker (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    28. 06:03 PM - Re: Sticker (Jack Phillips)
    29. 06:38 PM - Re: Axle Angle (Skip Gadd)
    30. 06:52 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Kringle)
    31. 07:20 PM - Re: Got an engine! (skellytown flyer)
    32. 09:35 PM - Re: Sticker (mike Hardaway)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:12:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: what I've never seen at Brodhead
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Tom, Don't forget that a ( X )Next to the ( N ) number, does then not require the word EXPERIENTIAL anywhere on the airplane. And you are very much correct,Brodhead is unique. I have never ever missed a year since 1976, Have met great people. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312732#312732


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    Time: 06:27:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In
    From: "robisons" <robisons@mattoonillinois.org>
    I (with my two sons) will be coming to see and hopefully photograph some Piets at Lee Bottom. I'm only three hours away (driving). I'm building a GN-1. On the gear, instruments installed, tail feathers on, seats, floor boards, rudder pedals etc. all done. Working on cabanes and center section now. All ribs are done. I'm hoping to be flying by next fall. Scott Robison (Central Illinois) -------- SR78 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312734#312734


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    Time: 07:08:03 AM PST US
    From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: 54th Annual Tulsa Fly-In Saturday - anyone going?
    I'll be there around 9AM...departing O44 at first light. Anyone else going? Jim? Does Chuck Gantzer still read our list? I ran into him at BVO once. http://www.tulsaflyin.com/ Steve Ruse Norman, OK


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    Time: 07:40:04 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: My Piet is Famous
    My Pietenpol has joined a very select group.and it's not even out of the 'hanger' yet! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive


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    Time: 07:45:02 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: 54th Annual Tulsa Fly-In Saturday - anyone going?
    I talked to Chuck and when we talked he was planning on going...as I am....probably sometime Saturday afternoon. If I can make it (seems like most plans I make these days get changed!) I'll find you! jm -----Original Message----- >From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> >Sent: Sep 17, 2010 7:05 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: 54th Annual Tulsa Fly-In Saturday - anyone going? > > >I'll be there around 9AM...departing O44 at first light. Anyone else >going? Jim? Does Chuck Gantzer still read our list? I ran into him >at BVO once. > >http://www.tulsaflyin.com/ > >Steve Ruse >Norman, OK > >


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    Time: 08:05:40 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: My Piet is Famous
    Gary: The only thing wrong with that photo is the lack of engine noises. My grandson helps me with mine. Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> 9/17/2010 9:13 AM >>> >>>My Pietenpol has joined a very select groupand its not even out of the hanger yet! >>>Gary Boothe


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    Time: 08:31:55 AM PST US
    From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: Re: 54th Annual Tulsa Fly-In Saturday - anyone going?
    Sounds good Jim, Hope to see you and Chuck there. Due to my plane being velocity challenged, I am going to have to depart soon after lunch to get home to my wife. I will probably be loading up by 1PM. Steve Ruse Norman, OK do not archive Quoting Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>: > > I talked to Chuck and when we talked he was planning on going...as I > am....probably sometime Saturday afternoon. > > If I can make it (seems like most plans I make these days get > changed!) I'll find you! > > jm > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> >> Sent: Sep 17, 2010 7:05 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 54th Annual Tulsa Fly-In Saturday - anyone going? >> >> >> I'll be there around 9AM...departing O44 at first light. Anyone else >> going? Jim? Does Chuck Gantzer still read our list? I ran into him >> at BVO once. >> >> http://www.tulsaflyin.com/ >> >> Steve Ruse >> Norman, OK >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 08:31:55 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: My Piet is Famous
    hahahaha.... Don't know about "famous" but it IS beautiful! It was kinda wierd really...I didn't want to get out of it! It was neat just sitting in it! jm -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Sep 17, 2010 7:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Piet is Famous My Pietenpol has joined a very select groupand its not even out of the hanger yet! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down) Do not archive


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    Time: 08:45:40 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: My Piet is Famous
    I know what you mean...one evening I got in the cockpit, and before I knew it, my wife was tapping me on the shoulder, saying, "Aren't you going to work today?" Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Piet is Famous hahahaha.... Don't know about "famous" but it IS beautiful! It was kinda wierd really...I didn't want to get out of it! It was neat just sitting in it! jm -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Sep 17, 2010 7:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Piet is Famous My Pietenpol has joined a very select group.and it's not even out of the 'hanger' yet! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive


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    Time: 08:52:28 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Sticker
    I think I read somewhere that Jack Phillips was going to San Francisco for business, or personal. Anyone going to that part of California would have about a 4-4 =BD hour drive down to Tulare, where Mike & Vic Groah are building their Piet. Vic also restores old (really, really old) cars and has a very neat personal show room. If you treat the Groah=92s nicely and give them lots of compliments on their Piet, they most likely will bestow upon you a really cool sticker for your back window. Thanks, Mike & Vic! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down=85)


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    Time: 09:30:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: My Piet is Famous
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    You are just lucky that it wouldn't fit in his pocket! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312767#312767


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    Time: 09:33:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 54th Annual Tulsa Fly-In Saturday - anyone going?
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    I'll be there... parking the warbirds after the 11am fly-bys. I'll have my "Warbirds Flightline" shirt on and will be looking for you guys. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312769#312769


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    Time: 09:46:14 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol still making history today?
    I am sure I missed this the first time around. I cannot shed any light on sport pilot licenses attained in a Piet. Bernard P. learned to fly in a Jenny, as I think I recall, well before building his first planes. Congratulations to all involved. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Peter Bichier <pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu> >Sent: Sep 16, 2010 8:07 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol still making history today? > > >Hello All, > >I have posted this a couple of weeks ago, and have not received any comments. The topic shows as viewed 70 times, is this silence because no one knows? Meanwhile we are going to claim we are the first ones... > >Here is our formal letter to the EAA and below my original question to this group. > >From: William J. David [mailto:wjdavid582@embarqmail.com] >Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:26 AM >To: editorial@eaa.org >Cc: taildragger@go-concepts.com; Andre Abreu; Peter Bichier; Martha Lunken; Joe Deaton; Richard Martin >Subject: Ratings > >To Whom it may concern, >On the morning of August 14, at Red Stewart Airport in Waynesville, Ohio, Andre Abreu and Peter Bichier of the Toledo Buzzards Light Sport Aircraft >Club (TBLSACI) successfully completed their check rides for a Sport Pilot >Certificate in a Pietenpol Aircamper N6186L. The evaluations were given by Martha Lunken and TBLSACI is based out of Toledo Executive Airport, TDZ, formerly Toledo Metcalf. After a little investigation we believe that they are the first persons to do so in a Pietenpol and are laying claim to this feat at this time. Anyone disputing this should contact me with evidence that shows otherwise. Other points of interest on these two guys are that they have never touched a starter button, they hand prop. They have never flown anything with a nose wheel, and they don't even know how to spell GPS let alone use one. Peter is an Ornithologist and researcher, and Andy Is a mechanical engineer for the automobile industry. > >William J. David >President TBLSACI >20526 Caris Road >Bowling Green, Ohio 43402 >419-494-5843 >wjdavid582@embarqmail.com > >Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:33 am Post subject: Flying on Labor Day? > >Gents, Ladies? > >I guess I'll join the old? or new! tradition to fly the Piet on Labor Day. Good to read some of the postings! I'm new, but 'me gusta volar el Pietenpol' (that's the only Spanish I was able to teach to my great instructor who taught me how to fly the Piet; "I like to Fly the Piet.") > >So SERIOUSLY to the knowledge of this group, have ANY one, in the HISTORY of the Pietenpol been checked out ie have done their checkride on the Piet to get their ticket? > >I guess Piet himself probably just taught himself how to fly, but any one else? on a 'formal' flight? > >Hope you can share what you know about it or what's your guesses. > >We are based in TDZ (Toledo, OH) and we are about a gang of 5 flying the Piet and for some of us it's the only plane we've ever flown. > >I'd love to fly to Foggy Bottom, I just flew to 40I (Red Stewart 215 miles if you can fly in a straight line) the old fashion way (few hours in my belt flying it alone, no radios, no GPS, just a sectional) what a blast! > >hope to read some more, > >Peter Bichier >A blosoming Pietenpol pilot > >-------- >560 Dreamer > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312701#312701 > >


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    Time: 10:39:28 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: My Piet is Famous
    Yeah, but check this out...In the attached '1977' the engine is clearly mounted on the plane. I went in to the house and came out a few minutes later...they had rolled the plane in to the garage and left. I took the picture #1978...something's missing... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is Famous You are just lucky that it wouldn't fit in his pocket! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312767#312767


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    Time: 11:01:47 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing education, please advise..
    Hi Gary, For the way it feels today it wouldn't have to be a very big piece of Lasagna. I was moving my engine around by myself and guess I should have left it where it was. Oh well the 5th bearing is on and looks good. I have to wait until my back is better before I can put the prop hub, etc back on. I have never had a back problem before and from this experience I don't want to again. Hope you guys had a good time last night. I wouldreally have liked to be there to see your Piet. Cheers, Jim B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:50:19 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing education, please advise.. How big does it need to be? I mean...let's talk... How's the back doing? Let me know if you need some better drugs...I'm thinking outside the box here for my retirement... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing education, please advise.. How big a piece of Lasagna are we talking about here? Might be able to make a trade for ribs if its big enough. Jim B. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:47:01 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing education, please advise.. Right, Bill! Chris Tracy is just now finishing up the wings, and he and Jim Markle are coming over to visit tonight. I offered to trade Chris a piece of lasagna for his wings...I think he's seriously considering it... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing education, please advise.. Joe, The "Riblett design" is simply an airfoil, not a whole wing design. You're really on your own to figure out all the little details. My assumption would be that the truss structure of a Riblett rib would mimic the structure shown in the Pietenpol plans, and everything else (e.g. ailerons) would follow suit. Therefore, if the Pietenpol wing benefits from gap sealing, then the Riblett would also benefit in the same manner. The easiest method to seal the aileron gaps is to use a piano hinge, like Dan said. Your summary regarding the Riblett airfoils is basically what is being claimed. As far as I know, Pieti Lowell's is the only flying example of a Riblett airfoil on a Piet (I may be wrong on that, though), and he claims improved performance. Anecdotally, I overheard someone at Brodhead a couple of years ago saying that the Riblett airfoil will provide twice the lift, and double the cruise speed, and cut the stall speed in half... I took ALL of that with a BIG grain of salt. No doubt a different airfoil will result in different performance. Just how much different is the question, and whether it is an improvement is another. It seems that there are quite a few new builders constructing their Piets with Riblett airfoils. So, if and when they get them flying, we'll have some more flying examples to refer to. As it stands now, it is really difficult to tell, since there can be so much difference in performance from one Piet to another, due to all the design changes that builders make, as well as powerplant, propeller and other choices available. Would be really good to have another builder or two do what Lowell did, and fly the exact same aircraft with the two different airfoils, and compare the performances. But th! at means a LOT of work - most of us have enough challenge just getting one wing built (right, Gary?). In short, either airfoil will fly the plane just fine. If you want "tried and true", stick with the plans. If you want to experiment with possible performance improvements, and are willing to work out more little details on your own, then give the Riblett a go. (the choice of Riblett airfoils is up to you, as there were two suggested by Mr. Riblett as being suitable for the Piet). Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312625#312625


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    Time: 11:11:14 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: My Piet is Famous
    Jim looks good sitting in your Piet Gary, Jim B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:13:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Piet is Famous My Pietenpol has joined a very select groupand its not even out of the hanger yet! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done,Fuselageon gear (20 ribs down) Do not archive


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    Time: 11:16:38 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: My Piet is Famous
    Amazing; you have been Markled! Jim B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:30:06 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is Famous Yeah, but check this out...In the attached '1977' the engine is clearly mounted on the plane. I went in to the house and came out a few minutes later...they had rolled the plane in to the garage and left. I took the picture #1978...something's missing... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is Famous You are just lucky that it wouldn't fit in his pocket! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312767#312767


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    Time: 11:17:13 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: My Piet is Famous
    Jim looks good sitting in any Piet! We missed you...how's the back? Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Piet is Famous Jim looks good sitting in your Piet Gary, Jim B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:13:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Piet is Famous My Pietenpol has joined a very select groupand its not even out of the hanger yet! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done,Fuselageon gear (20 ribs down) Do not archive


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    Time: 11:39:21 AM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Sticker
    I'd love one of those stickers... Ben On 9/17/2010 11:49 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > I think I read somewhere that Jack Phillips was going to San Francisco > for business, or personal. Anyone going to that part of California > would have about a 4-4 hour drive down to Tulare, where Mike & Vic > Groah are building their Piet. Vic also restores old (really, really > old) cars and has a very neat personal show room. > > If you treat the Groah's nicely and give them lots of compliments on > their Piet, they most likely will bestow upon you a really cool > sticker for your back window. > > Thanks, Mike & Vic! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (20 ribs down...) >


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    Time: 12:25:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: My Piet is Famous
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Looking at picture 1978 (missing engine), it looks like there might be some fingerprints on the engine mount. Time to call in CSI. On the other hand, maybe this is a perfect opportunity to put a real aircraft engine on that plane. (This last comment is mostly for the amusement of Jack P.) BC DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312784#312784


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    Time: 01:08:08 PM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: My Piet is Famous
    Yeah and I'm having to check an extra bag for the flight home tonight... Coincidence? -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >Sent: Sep 17, 2010 10:30 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is Famous > >Yeah, but check this out...In the attached '1977' the engine is clearly >mounted on the plane. I went in to the house and came out a few minutes >later...they had rolled the plane in to the garage and left. I took the >picture #1978...something's missing... > >Gary Boothe >Cool, Ca. >Pietenpol >WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >Tail done, Fuselage on gear >(20 ribs down.) >Do not archive > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC >Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:28 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is Famous > > >You are just lucky that it wouldn't fit in his pocket! > >-------- >Mark Chouinard >Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312767#312767 > >


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    Time: 01:40:40 PM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Sticker
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    Time: 01:50:43 PM PST US
    From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: My Piet is Famous
    Kevin and i plan on visiting Hans on thursday evening. If all goes well we will need extra luggage too where do you reccomend i pick up a large capacity bag for heavy duty loading? Do not archive John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 17, 2010 20:08:21 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is Famous Yeah and I'm having to check an extra bag for the flight home tonight... Coincidence? -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> >Sent: Sep 17, 2010 10:30 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is Famous > >Yeah, but check this out...In the attached '1977' the engine is clearly >mounted on the plane. I went in to the house and came out a few minutes >later...they had rolled the plane in to the garage and left. I took the >picture #1978...something's missing... > >Gary Boothe >Cool, Ca. >Pietenpol >WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >Tail done, Fuselage on gear >(20 ribs down.) >Do not archive > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC >Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:28 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is Famous > > >You are just lucky that it wouldn't fit in his pocket! > >-------- >Mark Chouinard >Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312767#312767 > >


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    Time: 02:15:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: My Piet is Famous
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
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    Time: 05:18:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sticker
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    I think every one that has a Pietenpol should have a sticker like that,on their wind screen. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312805#312805


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    Time: 05:55:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sticker
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
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    Time: 05:55:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sticker
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
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    Message 28


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    Time: 06:03:45 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Sticker
    I=92ll be in San Francisco the last week of October. Unfortunately, I=92ll be in training all week with no ground transportation so I won=92t be able to leave Moffet Field. How do I get one of those stickers? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sticker I think I read somewhere that Jack Phillips was going to San Francisco for business, or personal. Anyone going to that part of California would have about a 4-4 =BD hour drive down to Tulare, where Mike & Vic Groah are building their Piet. Vic also restores old (really, really old) cars and has a very neat personal show room. If you treat the Groah=92s nicely and give them lots of compliments on their Piet, they most likely will bestow upon you a really cool sticker for your back window. Thanks, Mike & Vic! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down=85)


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    Time: 06:38:39 PM PST US
    From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Axle Angle
    Tom, Not sure about the angle, my split axle has springs and they are adjustable so I can make that decision later. I am sure that you do not want any toe-in. Exactly straight is best, err on the side of toe-out. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: 9/16/2010 5:09:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axle Angle Question concerning axle alignment on a split axle gear. (Not a split Axel which is a different situation altogether.) The plans for the split axle gear show the use of aircraft style balloon tires. Those plans indicate the axles should be set with a 2 angle from vertical when the bungees are fully extended. I am using 19" motorcycle tires and die springs instead of the balloons and bungees. Is the 2 angle still appropriate? Is any toe-in or toe-out desirable? I'm almost ready to weld these up so any useful information would be very welcome. Tom Stinemetze N328X


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    Time: 06:52:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    I received my crankshaft back today from Moldex and picked up my case from a local transmission shop after cleaning. Things are looking better! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312815#312815 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/clean_case_649.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/finished_crank_826.jpg


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    Time: 07:20:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got an engine!
    From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
    has anyone tried the half acetone half auto trans fluid home brew on those rusty cylinders yet? it supposedly is as good or better than the penetrating oils. I never mixed the stuff up but it wouldn't cost a whole lot to have quite a bit of fluid to fill some cylinders.might be a place for it to be tried.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312816#312816


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    Time: 09:35:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sticker
    From: mike Hardaway <bkemike@gmail.com>
    Jack, Moffet's about 40 miles from SF. I pass by Vic Groah's place a couple of times a week. I can stop in and snag a couple of stickers if any are available (Mike, Vic?). Tell me where you're staying while at Moffet and we can meet for dinner and a sticker hand-off. Mike Hardaway On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrot e: > I=92ll be in San Francisco the last week of October. Unfortunately, I =92ll > be in training all week with no ground transportation so I won=92t be abl e to > leave Moffet Field. How do I get one of those stickers? > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Raleigh, NC > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Boothe > *Sent:* Friday, September 17, 2010 11:49 AM > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Sticker > > > I think I read somewhere that Jack Phillips was going to San Francisco fo r > business, or personal. Anyone going to that part of California would have > about a 4-4 =BD hour drive down to Tulare, where Mike & Vic Groah are bui lding > their Piet. Vic also restores old (really, really old) cars and has a ver y > neat personal show room. > > > If you treat the Groah=92s nicely and give them lots of compliments on th eir > Piet, they most likely will bestow upon you a really cool sticker for you r > back window. > > > Thanks, Mike & Vic! > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (20 ribs down=85) > > > * > > =========== =========== ========= > = =========== > * > >




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