---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/18/10: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:14 AM - Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In (Larry Morlock) 2. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Got an engine! (Dan Yocum) 3. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Sticker (amsafetyc@aol.com) 4. 12:55 PM - Re: Photo: Axel's Piet at home (kevinpurtee) 5. 01:08 PM - Re: Axle Angle (kevinpurtee) 6. 01:59 PM - Re: Got an engine! (Billy McCaskill) 7. 02:15 PM - Appropriate Flying Footwear (kevinpurtee) 8. 02:24 PM - Glide Performance with Regular Wing (kevinpurtee) 9. 02:32 PM - 1 Year Anniversary (kevinpurtee) 10. 03:04 PM - Re: 1 Year Anniversary (airlion) 11. 05:05 PM - Re: Sticker (Jack Phillips) 12. 05:35 PM - Re: 1 Year Anniversary (Jim Boyer) 13. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In (shad bell) 14. 05:53 PM - Re: 1 Year Anniversary (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 05:55 PM - Related question- muffler hold-on nuts (helspersew@aol.com) 16. 06:03 PM - Re: 1 Year Anniversary (shad bell) 17. 06:40 PM - : Appropriate Flying Footwear (Ben Charvet) 18. 06:40 PM - 6 Weeks into Piet (Dave Sornborger) 19. 06:46 PM - Re: Axle Angle (Ben Charvet) 20. 06:50 PM - progress (skellytown flyer) 21. 06:50 PM - Re: Related question- muffler hold-on nuts (Ben Charvet) 22. 06:55 PM - Re: 6 Weeks into Piet (Jim Markle) 23. 09:22 PM - Re: 6 Weeks into Piet (K5YAC) 24. 09:33 PM - Re: 6 Weeks into Piet (Billy McCaskill) 25. 09:35 PM - Re: progress (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:04 AM PST US From: "Larry Morlock" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In I'm planning to go to Lee Bottom too, and would like to commune with other Piet builders. I have just finished covering and painting my one-piece wing this summer in Columbus, IN, just north of Lee Bottom. Look forward to seeing some Pietenpols. Larry Morlock ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:12 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! Make sure you put the 6th and 7th bearings in there to avoid the corn fields of Illinois. Do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Sep 17, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Kringle wrote: > > I received my crankshaft back today from Moldex and picked up my case from a local transmission shop after cleaning. Things are looking better! > > -------- > John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312815#312815 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/clean_case_649.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/finished_crank_826.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:56 PM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sticker I agree how do we get them? Or from where or whom do we purchase them? John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Pieti Lowell Sent: Sat, Sep 18, 2010 00:19:12 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sticker I think every one that has a Pietenpol should have a sticker like that,on their wind screen. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312805#312805 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo: Axel's Piet at home From: "kevinpurtee" And look at that hot-rod Yaris on the left! Looks fast sitting there. do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312846#312846 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Axle Angle From: "kevinpurtee" Tom - I'm pretty sure I built the gear per the plans and put the big tires on anyway. Out of all the gear problems I've had, that angle hasn't been an issue. Agree with Skip, no toe-in or toe-out. If you do err towards toe-out as Skip says, you'll need really good springs/bungees to keep the gear from trying to do the splits every time you roll forward. Again, straight as you can get them. Split Axel Kevin -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312847#312847 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got an engine! From: "Billy McCaskill" If I recall Dan, it's not the corn fields in Illinois one needs to worry about, it's those pesky soybean fields! [Wink] -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312850#312850 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Appropriate Flying Footwear From: "kevinpurtee" Tried to attend a fly-in in Louise, TX yesterday and today. Got pushed back by wxr both days. Anyway, yesterday I didn't have my normal shoes. I was wearing Crocs (sandals). The shoes fouled the pedals and brakes during landing - all crosswinds. On one landing I tried hard to ground loop to the left and then immediately to the right. The shoes were a real problem. I wore my regular sneakers today. Magically, everything was fine, even with crosswinds. Lesson learned! The experienced taildragger guys already know this, I bet. Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312851#312851 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Glide Performance with Regular Wing From: "kevinpurtee" Non-scientific, just FYI. I did a rough measurement of how long I'd glide with the engine at idle. I dropped ~800 feet in ~1.4 miles at ~60 mph. Works out to about 9:1? Making no claims, just letting you know what I saw today. Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312852#312852 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1 Year Anniversary From: "kevinpurtee" Tomorrow's the one year anniversary of Fat Girl's 1st flight. 165 hours, ~475 landings, ~25 passengers, 1 trip to B'head/OSH, and one new nickname. Axel do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312854#312854 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:33 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1 Year Anniversary That is an impressive record Axel,Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: kevinpurtee Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 5:30:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1 Year Anniversary Tomorrow's the one year anniversary of Fat Girl's 1st flight. 165 hours, ~475 landings, ~25 passengers, 1 trip to B'head/OSH, and one new nickname. Axel do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312854#312854 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:34 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sticker Hi Mike, I=92m staying at the Navy Lodge. I don=92t know what accomodations are available for dinner. I=92m attending a Structural Collapse Technician school to get my certification to join a FEMA disaster team. I don=92t know how long the classes are each day, or whether I=92ll be too tired to do anything but go to bed after class each day. The class runs from 1600 hrs Oct 23 through 1200 hrs Oct 29. But give me a call (cellphone is 919-427-4440) or send me an email (I=92ll have internet access) and we=92ll see what we can do. I=92d like to meet you. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike Hardaway Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sticker Jack, Moffet's about 40 miles from SF. I pass by Vic Groah's place a couple of times a week. I can stop in and snag a couple of stickers if any are available (Mike, Vic?). Tell me where you're staying while at Moffet and we can meet for dinner and a sticker hand-off. Mike Hardaway On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: I=92ll be in San Francisco the last week of October. Unfortunately, I=92ll be in training all week with no ground transportation so I won=92t be able to leave Moffet Field. How do I get one of those stickers? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sticker I think I read somewhere that Jack Phillips was going to San Francisco for business, or personal. Anyone going to that part of California would have about a 4-4 =BD hour drive down to Tulare, where Mike & Vic Groah are building their Piet. Vic also restores old (really, really old) cars and has a very neat personal show room. If you treat the Groah=92s nicely and give them lots of compliments on their Piet, they most likely will bestow upon you a really cool sticker for your back window. Thanks, Mike & Vic! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down=85) " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com ======== = _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:01 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1 Year Anniversary Kevin, Congratulations on a great year of flying your Piet. experiencing Brodhead and learning which shoes to wear when flying tail-draggers. Jim B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinpurtee" Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 2:30:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1 Year Anniversary Tomorrow's the one year anniversary of Fat Girl's 1st flight. 165 hours, ~475 landings, ~25 passengers, 1 trip to B'head/OSH, and one new nickname. Axel do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312854#312854 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:29 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In I am planning on arriving around 3-5 pm on friday, possibly earlier, come u p and introduce yourself, I'll be around the orange and blue piet 92GB, and I will try to remember my Pietenpol t-shirt. - Shad --- On Sat, 9/18/10, Larry Morlock wrote: From: Larry Morlock Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lee Bottom Fly-In I'm planning to go to Lee Bottom too, and would like to commune with other Piet builders.- I have just finished covering and painting my one-piece w ing this summer in Columbus, IN, just north of Lee Bottom.- Look forward to seeing some Pietenpols. - --- Larry Morlock =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1 Year Anniversary From: helspersew@aol.com Axel, Congratulations to you and your bird. An impressive set of statistics for sure. Continued success, and can't wait to see the both of you again at Brodhead next year. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: kevinpurtee Sent: Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:30 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1 Year Anniversary mil> Tomorrow's the one year anniversary of Fat Girl's 1st flight. 165 hours, ~475 andings, ~25 passengers, 1 trip to B'head/OSH, and one new nickname. Axel do not archive -------- evin Purtee X899KP ustin/Georgetown, TX ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312854#312854 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Related question- muffler hold-on nuts From: helspersew@aol.com Hello all, Started in on my annual inspection yesterday on the Aeronca Sedan. Pulled the cowl and discovered that the left muffler (6 cylinder engine) was onl y being held on by two of the six required 5/16'-28 brass exhaust nuts. On e of the gaskets had completely blown out. Does anyone know of a type of brass locknut that will do in that application? I thought I might try squ ishing one end of the nut in a vice before I put them back on. Any ideas? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:16 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1 Year Anniversary Congrats Kevin, on 1 safe year of flying, (See Corvair haters they can last ha ha).- Sorry I did not get to Brodhead this year, I was looking forwar d to meeting you and your Piet.- Keep her flying and keep her "fat butt" out of the trees, er brush, er mesquete,-er-cactus, What ever kind of v egitation you fly over. - Shad -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:44 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: : Appropriate Flying Footwear Glad you brought this up. I always tell my potential passengers to wear shoes they wouldn't mind walking out of a swamp in. Something I was taught 25 years ago when I was training for my PP. It does unsettle the potential passenger for a moment though.... Ben Charvet On 9/18/2010 5:13 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee" > > Tried to attend a fly-in in Louise, TX yesterday and today. Got pushed back by wxr both days. Anyway, yesterday I didn't have my normal shoes. I was wearing Crocs (sandals). The shoes fouled the pedals and brakes during landing - all crosswinds. On one landing I tried hard to ground loop to the left and then immediately to the right. The shoes were a real problem. > > I wore my regular sneakers today. Magically, everything was fine, even with crosswinds. > > Lesson learned! The experienced taildragger guys already know this, I bet. > > Axel > > -------- > Kevin Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312851#312851 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:52 PM PST US From: "Dave Sornborger" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 6 Weeks into Piet Howdy,Heres what I have gotten done in 6 weeks,gonna fly it on my 50th B'day end of Feb 2011.Every weekend 9 hrs a day every weekday 2 hrs, 1 week of vacation 90 hrs.Dave ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:18 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle Angle The way the bottom of the fuselage is shaped, on my Pietenpol as the gear compresses and the bungees stretch, it develops some toe-out. With the weight off the gear it has a very slight toe in. When taxiing, it is neutral. It handles great though. Ben On 9/17/2010 9:35 PM, Skip Gadd wrote: > Tom, Not sure about the angle, my split axle has springs and they are > adjustable so I can make that decision later. I am sure that you do > not want any toe-in. Exactly straight is best, err on the side of toe-out. > Skip > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* TOM STINEMETZE > *To: *Matronics Pietenpol List > *Sent:* 9/16/2010 5:09:01 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Axle Angle > > *Question concerning axle alignment on a split axle gear. (Not a > split Axel which is a different situation altogether.)* > ** > *The plans for the split axle gear show the use of aircraft style > balloon tires. Those plans indicate the axles should be set with > a 2 angle from vertical when the bungees are fully extended. I > am using 19" motorcycle tires and die springs instead of the > balloons and bungees. Is the 2 angle still appropriate? Is any > toe-in or toe-out desirable? I'm almost ready to weld these up so > any useful information would be very welcome.* > ** > *Tom Stinemetze* > *N328X* > ** > > *<>* > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: progress From: "skellytown flyer" Well I finally got to the day yesterday when I took the fuselage and wings to the hangar.Not a big trip for me- in a town of 600 people you can get away with a lot. I towed it up on it's mains right down main street and to my old tin shed hangar.spent today bolting on wings and rigging cables.still a few things to do including closing up the bottom of the center section now that I have the cables rigged in there and safety wiring the turnbuckles.but I fired it up and taxied it this afternoon.boy what a thrill. to think that maybe before the first frost this thing will be capable of flight. Did notice one of my coils is running rough on the Corvair. I had timed it and then noticed one set of points was more burned. I expected that it would smooth up with a new set of points and condenser. I installed them without checking the timing and when I switched to it this afternoon I had some power loss.so I will need to go back and double check gap and timing.but it has possibilities.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312871#312871 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:10 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Related question- muffler hold-on nuts Dan, Are you sure it is 28 pitch thread? ASS has a 5/16 x 24 exhaust nut part 22022 for $1.11 each Ben On 9/18/2010 8:52 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, > Started in on my annual inspection yesterday on the Aeronca Sedan. > Pulled the cowl and discovered that the left muffler (6 cylinder > engine) was only being held on by two of the six required 5/16'-28 > brass exhaust nuts. One of the gaskets had completely blown out. Does > anyone know of a type of brass locknut that will do in that > application? I thought I might try squishing one end of the nut in a > vice before I put them back on. Any ideas? > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:10 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 6 Weeks into Piet Wow Dave! That's fantastic! Forgive me if you've already answered this but...where are you located? Again, looks good! jm -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sornborger Sent: Sep 18, 2010 8:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 6 Weeks into Piet Howdy,Heres what I have gotten done in 6 weeks,gonna fly it on my 50th B'day end of Feb 2011.Every weekend 9 hrs a day every weekday 2 hrs, 1 week of vacation 90 hrs.Dave ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 6 Weeks into Piet From: "K5YAC" You are a madman! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312881#312881 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 6 Weeks into Piet From: "Billy McCaskill" That is AMAZING progress for having started only 6 weeks ago! At this rate, you should meet your projected deadline for flying your Pietenpol! Keep it up, I want to see your plane at Brodhead next July! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312883#312883 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress From: "Billy McCaskill" Putting it all together and taxiing your plane for the first time is a great milestone! Keep up the progress, and keep us updated! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312884#312884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.