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1. 05:20 AM - Re: Re: Greg Cardinal's Piet spotted (Dan Yocum)
2. 05:46 AM - 6 Weeks into Piet (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: 6 Weeks into Piet (Kringle)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: 6 Weeks into Piet (Kringle)
5. 06:22 AM - Re: Greg Cardinal's Piet spotted (cjborsuk)
6. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: 6 Weeks into Piet (Gary Boothe)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: 6 Weeks into Piet (Kringle)
8. 07:17 AM - Re: Greg Cardinal's Piet spotted (Bill Church)
9. 07:57 AM - Fuselage Construction (K5YAC)
10. 08:51 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Ryan Mueller)
11. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: 6 Weeks into Piet (Ryan Mueller)
12. 08:55 AM - Re: Sticker (TOM STINEMETZE)
13. 09:29 AM - Model B Engine Piet Service Ceiling (Clayton Harper)
14. 09:52 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
15. 09:55 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Dan Yocum)
16. 09:57 AM - Re: Model B Engine Piet Service Ceiling (Steve Ruse)
17. 10:12 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Rick Holland)
18. 10:13 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Jim Boyer)
19. 11:23 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (K5YAC)
20. 11:39 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Rick Holland)
21. 12:04 PM - Re: Fuselage Construction (K5YAC)
22. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Construction (Dan Yocum)
23. 02:39 PM - Re: Fuselage Construction (K5YAC)
24. 03:01 PM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Bill Church)
25. 03:27 PM - Re: Glide Performance with Regular Wing (j_dunavin)
26. 03:37 PM - Re: Model B Engine Piet Service Ceiling (Pieti Lowell)
27. 03:41 PM - Engine purchase (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
28. 03:46 PM - Continental Overhaul manual (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
29. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Construction (Rick Holland)
30. 05:26 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Construction (Dan Yocum)
31. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Construction (Gary Boothe)
32. 07:56 PM - Re: Fuselage Construction (K5YAC)
33. 08:27 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Construction (Ryan Mueller)
34. 09:26 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Construction (Clif Dawson)
35. 09:44 PM - Re: metal size for tail fittings (jorge lizarraga)
36. 09:51 PM - Re: Re: 6 Weeks into Piet (jorge lizarraga)
37. 09:51 PM - Re: Fuselage Construction (K5YAC)
38. 09:52 PM - Re: 6 Weeks into Piet (jorge lizarraga)
39. 09:57 PM - Re: Pedal Piet plans (jorge lizarraga)
40. 10:01 PM - Re: Model B Engine Piet Service Ceiling (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
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| Subject: | Re: Greg Cardinal's Piet spotted |
<shakes magic 8-ball>
"My sources say 'Yes'"
http://goo.gl/KMfK
http://www.runwayfinder.com will let you search on a town, call up the
sectional, then you can click in the "satellite" button to see what's what.
That looks like a nice, nice airport. Looks like you can land in almost
any direction!
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On 09/20/2010 11:20 PM, GliderMike wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "GliderMike"<glidermikeg@yahoo.com>
>
> Speaking of so much grass, do any of you Okies know if the airport at Pawnee,
OK is still grass, next to the golf course? I flew in there several years ago
(mid 80's) to do a skydiving thing in celebration of some milestone on a water
conversation lake near there. Don't remember what milestone we were celebrating,
other than it was the XXXth number dam built by one of the government agencies.
I don't even remember which agency was celebrating the milestone, but
I remember the runway. It was almost as manicured as a golf green. I still
get an ear to ear grin when I think about the runway. I've been on smooth paved
runways that weren't as smooth as that grass was. It was WONDERFUL! About
the only thing I don't miss about Oklahoma is when the wind is howling at 30
mph and above. But I've seen it when the first hour after sunrise is smooth as
glass up to 1,000 ft, and the wind is almost too light. Two hours after the
same sunrise, the wind is doing 25 mph or more.
>
> --------
> HOMEBUILDER
> Will WORK for Spruce
> Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
> GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | 6 Weeks into Piet |
Harvey wrote-
>if you have enough people working on it and they all know
>what they are doing (not like me) then I think you should
>be able to crank out a Piet just about everyother day
1. Everyone who works on Piets knows what they are doing.
2. If you have more than one person working on a Piet at a
time, nothing will ever get done because they will never
agree on how to make a part, rig the airplane, lay out the
instrument panel, what type of engine is best, what paint
scheme to use, what size prop to use, what type of hardware
to use, or anything else. And they will each think they
know how Mr. Pietenpol did it or would have done it if he
were still alive today, or how the FAA books say it
should properly be done, or how Bingelis says it should be
done, or how they saw it done in a magazine article, or
how they think they can improve on 1929 technology, and
they will argue their point unflinchingly and indefinitely.
3. If you have MORE than two people working on a Piet, just
call it a beer and BS session and don't anybody touch any
part that might eventually fly, because it will be wrong,
it will be unairworthy, and Mr. Pietenpol would be
embarrassed if he ever saw it. Have fun and talk about
Piets, but don't expect to actually get anything done.
Now if you want to really make progress and build an actual
airplane, lock the door to your shop, unroll the plans, and
start building. That's what Corky did with 41CC, and I'm
flying the proof of it.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: 6 Weeks into Piet |
Test
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John
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| Subject: | Re: 6 Weeks into Piet |
I was just trying to see if I could respond to a post without attaching the same
pictures attached to the original post and all the other baggage picked up along
the way. Isn't this easier to read than scrolling down through the the same
old replies after each response?
Excuse me because I'm in a grumpy old man type of mood this morning.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Greg Cardinal's Piet spotted |
That is why we do what we do! Does it get any better than that? This is now also
my desktop and inspiration!
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: 6 Weeks into Piet |
Mr. Kringle grumpy? What's the world coming to?
I'm all for shortening the responses, but some responses are an answer to a
question, but the question has been removed. That's not always helpful...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 6 Weeks into Piet
I was just trying to see if I could respond to a post without attaching the
same pictures attached to the original post and all the other baggage picked
up along the way. Isn't this easier to read than scrolling down through the
the same old replies after each response?
Excuse me because I'm in a grumpy old man type of mood this morning.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: 6 Weeks into Piet |
I'm not for shortening the responses. I don't need to scroll through the same
pictures over and over again to get to the latest response. If you have a slow
Internet connection or are following a thread with an iPod, this redundancy
can be time consuming and annoying.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Greg Cardinal's Piet spotted |
Maybe my eyes are fading... but even when I zoom in on the hi-res version of the
photo, I STILL can't see any spots on Greg's Piet. :)
BC
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| Subject: | Fuselage Construction |
I am currently assembling my fuselage sides, but I am uncertain as to the best
approach. I have constructed a jig directly on my workbench table top, which
I used to assemble and glue my left fuselage side (gussets on inside right).
I planned to use the Pietenpol method of tracing that assembly on to my 1/8" plywood
in order to attach that to the next assembly since I obviously can't install
the gussets to the side laying on the table. This would be my right side
assembly (plywood sheet on the right side). While this method seems to make
good sense to me, I've got a couple of questions/observations...
1. Will having the plywood sheet on the right side make future processes more difficult?
Reasons that I shouldn't do it this way?
2. I notice that many builders have a completed skeletal structure with no plywood
sheet on the outside of the fuse (see Jack's photo below). How did you accomplish
this? I would like to use the same jig for both halves in order to make
exact copies for each assembly, but I can't figure out how else (or how better),
to accomplish this, other than the way Bernard spoke about (tracing plywood
sheet and applying it to second assembly).
I hope that what I am asking makes sense, and that someone might be able to shed
some light on the matter.
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Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Hi Mark,
Congrats on progressing to the fuselage. For the right fuselage side, what
about just gluing the butt joints? Let those joints dry and then carefully
remove the fuselage from the jig, flip it over on the table, and glue the
gussets on....
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:54 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I am currently assembling my fuselage sides, but I am uncertain as to the
> best approach. I have constructed a jig directly on my workbench table top,
> which I used to assemble and glue my left fuselage side (gussets on inside
> right). I planned to use the Pietenpol method of tracing that assembly on
> to my 1/8" plywood in order to attach that to the next assembly since I
> obviously can't install the gussets to the side laying on the table. This
> would be my right side assembly (plywood sheet on the right side). While
> this method seems to make good sense to me, I've got a couple of
> questions/observations...
>
> 1. Will having the plywood sheet on the right side make future processes
> more difficult? Reasons that I shouldn't do it this way?
>
> 2. I notice that many builders have a completed skeletal structure with no
> plywood sheet on the outside of the fuse (see Jack's photo below). How did
> you accomplish this? I would like to use the same jig for both halves in
> order to make exact copies for each assembly, but I can't figure out how
> else (or how better), to accomplish this, other than the way Bernard spoke
> about (tracing plywood sheet and applying it to second assembly).
>
> I hope that what I am asking makes sense, and that someone might be able to
> shed some light on the matter.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313210#313210
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_piet_007_450x600_260.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 6 Weeks into Piet |
That's why you should read the list like a man, via email. None of that
fancy web-based forum junk. Give me plain text and messages threaded by
conversation. Faster, and much easier to deal with on mobile devices. :)
Ryan
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Kringle <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not for shortening the responses. I don't need to scroll through the
> same pictures over and over again to get to the latest response. If you
> have a slow Internet connection or are following a thread with an iPod, this
> redundancy can be time consuming and annoying.
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313203#313203
>
>
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Mike:
If you feel safe, put your mailing address up on this site and I will send
you a self addressed, stamped envelope so you can mail me one. If you
would rather not post your address for all the world to see, maybe you
could send it to me to my e-mail address: toms@mcpcity.com.
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> 9/20/2010 8:43 PM >>>
I'm not worried about getting paid for the stickers. They cost me almost
nothing to make. For those that I end up having to ship them to, I
wouldn't mind being reimbursed for the shipping costs. That's it.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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| Subject: | Model B Engine Piet Service Ceiling |
Any idea what the service ceiling for a Ford B Piet would be? I only asking because
I am interested in an airplane that is for sale near SFO and might want to
fly it back to Houston. I'm retired airline with time to spend, and would rather
fly than drive.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Mark for what its worth, and that may be very little, I have chosen to hold
off closing in the sides for fear of losing important access and painting
myself into a corner. Once i get all the goodies in and installed to my
liking I will close in the sides. I think access plays a big part in the
construction process and I see no need to limit that and such a early stage.
Juss how I'm doing it! I like to keep my options open as long as possible,
but then again at my age forget lots of stuff and don't want to be forced
to remove a glued in panel , then be faced with the ugly job of removing it
afterwards.
John
In a message dated 9/21/2010 11:52:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rmueller23@gmail.com writes:
Hi Mark,
Congrats on progressing to the fuselage. For the right fuselage side, what
about just gluing the butt joints? Let those joints dry and then carefully
remove the fuselage from the jig, flip it over on the table, and glue the
gussets on....
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:54 AM, K5YAC <_hangar10@cox.net_
(mailto:hangar10@cox.net) > wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" <_hangar10@cox.net_
(mailto:hangar10@cox.net) >
I am currently assembling my fuselage sides, but I am uncertain as to the
best approach. I have constructed a jig directly on my workbench table
top, which I used to assemble and glue my left fuselage side (gussets on
inside right). I planned to use the Pietenpol method of tracing that assembly
on to my 1/8" plywood in order to attach that to the next assembly since I
obviously can't install the gussets to the side laying on the table. This
would be my right side assembly (plywood sheet on the right side). While
this method seems to make good sense to me, I've got a couple of
questions/observations...
1. Will having the plywood sheet on the right side make future processes
more difficult? Reasons that I shouldn't do it this way?
2. I notice that many builders have a completed skeletal structure with no
plywood sheet on the outside of the fuse (see Jack's photo below). How
did you accomplish this? I would like to use the same jig for both halves in
order to make exact copies for each assembly, but I can't figure out how
else (or how better), to accomplish this, other than the way Bernard spoke
about (tracing plywood sheet and applying it to second assembly).
I hope that what I am asking makes sense, and that someone might be able
to shed some light on the matter.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Mark,
I'm able to lay up the ribs with the gussets on the underside of the
ribs - I think you should be able to do the same thing on the fuse
sides. Just put some wax paper where the gussets should go (staple or
tape it down), apply your T-88 to the gussets, lay them about where they
should go, place everything on top of them, and clamp or put your milk
jugs full of water on top of them. You'll have a little time to wiggle
everything into the right place.
Of course, you left the space around the joints free of rigging blocks
to put the gussets under the longerons and cross braces, right?
Dan
On 09/21/2010 09:54 AM, K5YAC wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"<hangar10@cox.net>
>
> I am currently assembling my fuselage sides, but I am uncertain as to the best
approach. I have constructed a jig directly on my workbench table top, which
I used to assemble and glue my left fuselage side (gussets on inside right).
I planned to use the Pietenpol method of tracing that assembly on to my 1/8"
plywood in order to attach that to the next assembly since I obviously can't
install the gussets to the side laying on the table. This would be my right side
assembly (plywood sheet on the right side). While this method seems to make
good sense to me, I've got a couple of questions/observations...
>
> 1. Will having the plywood sheet on the right side make future processes more
difficult? Reasons that I shouldn't do it this way?
>
> 2. I notice that many builders have a completed skeletal structure with no plywood
sheet on the outside of the fuse (see Jack's photo below). How did you
accomplish this? I would like to use the same jig for both halves in order to
make exact copies for each assembly, but I can't figure out how else (or how
better), to accomplish this, other than the way Bernard spoke about (tracing plywood
sheet and applying it to second assembly).
>
> I hope that what I am asking makes sense, and that someone might be able to shed
some light on the matter.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313210#313210
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/new_piet_007_450x600_260.jpg
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Model B Engine Piet Service Ceiling |
For what its worth, I've had my GN-1 up to 9,500'. It has a
Continental A-75. I'd guess my ceiling would be 11,000 or so with no
mixture adjustment. That is probably my "real" ceiling. I believe
service ceiling is defined as the point where you can still maintain
100fpm climb. In my case, that would probably be closer to 9,500'.
It was still climbing at 9,500', but I wasn't planning on doing that
when I took off (didn't have the proper clothes), and I got cold with
the 28F OAT so I came down. I was about 8,500 AGL and felt like I was
hanging from a string. No perceived motion at all, other than the wind.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Clayton Harper <claytonharper@mac.com>:
> <claytonharper@mac.com>
>
> Any idea what the service ceiling for a Ford B Piet would be? I only
> asking because I am interested in an airplane that is for sale near
> SFO and might want to fly it back to Houston. I'm retired airline
> with time to spend, and would rather fly than drive.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313224#313224
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
I also did not glue the outside fuselage ply on until the fuselage was
nearly done including landing gear, seats and controls. And yes do remember
to trace the outline of the longerons and cross members onto the outside ply
pieces before joining the sides.
rick
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:36 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> Mark for what its worth, and that may be very little, I have chosen to
> hold off closing in the sides for fear of losing important access and
> painting myself into a corner. Once i get all the goodies in and installed
> to my liking I will close in the sides. I think access plays a big part in
> the construction process and I see no need to limit that and such a early
> stage.
>
> Juss how I'm doing it! I like to keep my options open as long as possible,
> but then again at my age forget lots of stuff and don't want to be forced
> to remove a glued in panel , then be faced with the ugly job of removing it
> afterwards.
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 9/21/2010 11:52:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rmueller23@gmail.com writes:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Congrats on progressing to the fuselage. For the right fuselage side, what
> about just gluing the butt joints? Let those joints dry and then carefully
> remove the fuselage from the jig, flip it over on the table, and glue the
> gussets on....
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:54 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I am currently assembling my fuselage sides, but I am uncertain as to the
>> best approach. I have constructed a jig directly on my workbench table top,
>> which I used to assemble and glue my left fuselage side (gussets on inside
>> right). I planned to use the Pietenpol method of tracing that assembly on
>> to my 1/8" plywood in order to attach that to the next assembly since I
>> obviously can't install the gussets to the side laying on the table. This
>> would be my right side assembly (plywood sheet on the right side). While
>> this method seems to make good sense to me, I've got a couple of
>> questions/observations...
>>
>> 1. Will having the plywood sheet on the right side make future processes
>> more difficult? Reasons that I shouldn't do it this way?
>>
>> 2. I notice that many builders have a completed skeletal structure with no
>> plywood sheet on the outside of the fuse (see Jack's photo below). How did
>> you accomplish this? I would like to use the same jig for both halves in
>> order to make exact copies for each assembly, but I can't figure out how
>> else (or how better), to accomplish this, other than the way Bernard spoke
>> about (tracing plywood sheet and applying it to second assembly).
>>
>> I hope that what I am asking makes sense, and that someone might be able
>> to shed some light on the matter.
>>
>> --------
>> Mark Chouinard
>> Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313210#313210
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Mark,
You really do want to leave off the plywood sides until you get all the controls
in and working; especially rudder pedals, firewall items, etc. I put my last
side on too soon and really had to stand on my head for some final stuff.
Jim B.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:36:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction
Mark for what its worth, and that may be very little, I have chosen to hold off
closing in the sides for fear of losing important access and painting myself
into a corner. Once i get all the goodies in and installed to my liking I will
close in the sides. I think access plays a big part in the construction process
and I see no need to limit that and such a early stage.
Juss how I'm doing it! I like to keep my options open as long as possible, but
then again at my age forget lots of stuff and don't want to be forced to remove
a glued in panel , then be faced with the ugly job of removing it afterwards.
John
In a message dated 9/21/2010 11:52:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rmueller23@gmail.com
writes:
Hi Mark,
Congrats on progressing to the fuselage. For the right fuselage side, what about
just gluing the butt joints? Let those joints dry and then carefully remove
the fuselage from the jig, flip it over on the table, and glue the gussets on....
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:54 AM, K5YAC < hangar10@cox.net > wrote:
I am currently assembling my fuselage sides, but I am uncertain as to the best
approach. I have constructed a jig directly on my workbench table top, which I
used to assemble and glue my left fuselage side (gussets on inside right). I
planned to use the Pietenpol method of tracing that assembly on to my 1/8" plywood
in order to attach that to the next assembly since I obviously can't install
the gussets to the side laying on the table. This would be my right side assembly
(plywood sheet on the right side). While this method seems to make good
sense to me, I've got a couple of questions/observations...
1. Will having the plywood sheet on the right side make future processes more difficult?
Reasons that I shouldn't do it this way?
2. I notice that many builders have a completed skeletal structure with no plywood
sheet on the outside of the fuse (see Jack's photo below). How did you accomplish
this? I would like to use the same jig for both halves in order to make
exact copies for each assembly, but I can't figure out how else (or how better),
to accomplish this, other than the way Bernard spoke about (tracing plywood
sheet and applying it to second assembly).
I hope that what I am asking makes sense, and that someone might be able to shed
some light on the matter.
--------
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Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage
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Thanks for all the replies... it looks like I'll have to approach this a little
differently. I was concerned about boxing myself in, even if just on the one
side.
yocum137 wrote:
> Of course, you left the space around the joints free of rigging blocks to put
the gussets under the longerons and cross braces, right?
>
> Dan
Yeah, my blocks are placed in a manner that will allow me to work around the joints.
I'll have to think about how to do that so that I can remove it without
damaging the assembly. I know it is possible, I'll just have to take my time.
I don't have much confidence in those end grain joints.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Or at least leave off one side.
rh
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Mark,
> You really do want to leave off the plywood sides until you get all the
> controls in and working; especially rudder pedals, firewall items, etc. I
> put my last side on too soon and really had to stand on my head for some
> final stuff.
> Jim B.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:36:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction
>
>
> Mark for what its worth, and that may be very little, I have chosen to hold
> off closing in the sides for fear of losing important access and painting
> myself into a corner. Once i get all the goodies in and installed to my
> liking I will close in the sides. I think access plays a big part in the
> construction process and I see no need to limit that and such a early stage.
>
> Juss how I'm doing it! I like to keep my options open as long as possible,
> but then again at my age forget lots of stuff and don't want to be forced
> to remove a glued in panel , then be faced with the ugly job of removing it
> afterwards.
>
> John
>
>
> In a message dated 9/21/2010 11:52:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rmueller23@gmail.com writes:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
>
> Congrats on progressing to the fuselage. For the right fuselage side, what
> about just gluing the butt joints? Let those joints dry and then carefully
> remove the fuselage from the jig, flip it over on the table, and glue the
> gussets on....
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:54 AM, K5YAC < hangar10@cox.net > wrote:
>
>
>
> I am currently assembling my fuselage sides, but I am uncertain as to the
> best approach. I have constructed a jig directly on my workbench table top,
> which I used to assemble and glue my left fuselage side (gussets on inside
> right). I planned to use the Pietenpol method of tracing that assembly on
> to my 1/8" plywood in order to attach that to the next assembly since I
> obviously can't install the gussets to the side laying on the table. This
> would be my right side assembly (plywood sheet on the right side). While
> this method seems to make good sense to me, I've got a couple of
> questions/observations...
>
> 1. Will having the plywood sheet on the right side make future processes
> more difficult? Reasons that I shouldn't do it this way?
>
> 2. I notice that many builders have a completed skeletal structure with no
> plywood sheet on the outside of the fuse (see Jack's photo below). How did
> you accomplish this? I would like to use the same jig for both halves in
> order to make exact copies for each assembly, but I can't figure out how
> else (or how better), to accomplish this, other than the way Bernard spoke
> about (tracing plywood sheet and applying it to second assembly).
>
> I hope that what I am asking makes sense, and that someone might be able to
> shed some light on the matter.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings and Center Section framed up - Working on Empannage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313210#313210
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at7000ft wrote:
> Or at least leave off one side.
Oh yeah, I fully planned to leave the left side off. I was only considering the
installation of the right side ply as Bernard described, which would hold my
fuse side together until I could flip it over and install the gussets. I suppose
there are other ways to accomplish this, and I really would like to leave
both sides off if possible in order to allow better access. I'll probably just
glue everything together without gussets and then flip it over... like others
have suggested.
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On 09/21/2010 01:21 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"<hangar10@cox.net>
>
> Thanks for all the replies... it looks like I'll have to approach this a little
differently. I was concerned about boxing myself in, even if just on the one
side.
>
>
> yocum137 wrote:
>> Of course, you left the space around the joints free of rigging blocks to put
the gussets under the longerons and cross braces, right?
>>
>> Dan
>
>
> Yeah, my blocks are placed in a manner that will allow me to work around the
joints. I'll have to think about how to do that so that I can remove it without
damaging the assembly. I know it is possible, I'll just have to take my time.
I don't have much confidence in those end grain joints.
>
Nah, you'll have the gussets under the longeron/cross brace joints, just
no side panelling. This will give you the same things as Jack's layout
with gussets on the inside of the structure and the outside left open to
work through.
Let's back up a minute - you want to use the same pattern for both your
left and right sides, right? On one side, you'll be able to put the
gussets right on top of the longeron/cross braces. On the other side,
you'll put the gussets on the bottom, between the longeron/cross-braces
and the jig.
Dan
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yocum137 wrote:
> Let's back up a minute - you want to use the same pattern for both your left
and right sides, right? On one side, you'll be able to put the gussets right
on top of the longeron/cross braces. On the other side,
> you'll put the gussets on the bottom, between the longeron/cross-braces
> and the jig.
>
> Dan
I follow ya Dan... I could lay them under the longerons and braces. I guess I'm
just trying to be consistent in my construction (glue and nail), which would
require me to have the gussets on top when gluing.
It's not an impossible task, I was just looking for some ideas as to how/why many
of you have done it the way that you did. It is hard to evaluate the situation
from my desk at work... I'll look it over tonight and consider some of the
ideas you guys have shared today.
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Mark,
Putting the gussets underneath the spruce isn't hard at all, unless your jig makes
it impossible for some reason.
Attached is a picture from my build (couldn't find a more appropriate shot) that
shows a gusset underneath. As you can see, my jig is simply wood blocks screwed
to the table top (even though you can't see the screws). These wood blocks
allow the spruce sticks to rise the 1/8 inch for the gussets. I positioned all
of the spruce sticks in the jig, then lifted them all about a quarter inch off
the tabletop (with spacer blocks wherever necessary), applied epoxy to the
gussets, and slid them into place under the spruce. Then I lowered all of the
spruce down on top of the gussets.
In addition to the need for access while the fuselage is being built (seats, controls,
etc), there is another reason not to glue one side on before joining the
two fuselage sides. The side panel acts as a huge gusset, and therefore provides
a good deal of strength and stiffness to the fuselage sides. If one side
is glued while laying flat on the table, and the other side is not glued on until
later, there is a very high likelihood that the paneled side will flex less
than the non-paneled side, when you join the two fuselage sides. If this happens,
your fuselage will be out of symmetry, which would not be a good thing.
So, the recommended practice would be either to glue both sides on while in the
flat, or glue both sides on after the fuselage sides have been joined (curved).
That way the stresses will be equal in both sides. From a practical viewpoint
(for ease of access while building), the better of the two is to glue the
sides on later.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Glide Performance with Regular Wing |
Sounds great to me.
I think with our corvair motor that we will have plenty of power and may not benefit
as much from the riblet design as someone with lower HP.
Regardless we are doing the ribs later since we can't make up our minds. [Rolling
Eyes]
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| Subject: | Re: Model B Engine Piet Service Ceiling |
I have had my Ford B to 10,000 AGL and had no problem.
Jack McKinney flew his Ford A from AZ with only a H2O Pump Problem, He drilled
a vent in the bearing hsg and took off for Brodhead without a problem.
Pieti Lowell
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Group,
Just wanted to share with everyone a beginning mile-stone on my Piet
project, after much searching and engine questions, last Friday I
purchased...well actually "stole" my 0-200 for the Piet. The engine has
700hrs SMOH, came with logs, new mags and all other accessories,
starter, carb, alternator, exhausts and heat muffs. Previous owner was
upgrading and needed cash for a down payment. I walked away with it for
$4500.00. I am still walking around with a grin every time I think of
that engine sitting in my hangar. Now back to the business of
building....
Brian
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| Subject: | Continental Overhaul manual |
Group,
Along with the 0-200 purchase I got a digital copy of the Model C75,
C85, C90 and 0-200 overhaul manual, it's an ok scanned copy but if
anyone one on the list is interested I will "borrow" you a copy of it
via email, contact me off list. Much better than paying $60-80 at your
big box aircraft store. :)
Brian
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> If one side is glued while laying flat on the table, and the other side is
not glued on until later, >there is a very high likelihood that the paneled
side will flex less than the non-paneled side, >when you join the two
fuselage sides. If this happens, your fuselage will be out of symmetry,
>which would not be a good thing.
Good point Bill, which is why I left both sides off.
rick
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet>@sympatico.ca <billspiet@sympatico.ca>>
>
> Mark,
> Putting the gussets underneath the spruce isn't hard at all, unless your
> jig makes it impossible for some reason.
> Attached is a picture from my build (couldn't find a more appropriate shot)
> that shows a gusset underneath. As you can see, my jig is simply wood blocks
> screwed to the table top (even though you can't see the screws). These wood
> blocks allow the spruce sticks to rise the 1/8 inch for the gussets. I
> positioned all of the spruce sticks in the jig, then lifted them all about a
> quarter inch off the tabletop (with spacer blocks wherever necessary),
> applied epoxy to the gussets, and slid them into place under the spruce.
> Then I lowered all of the spruce down on top of the gussets.
> In addition to the need for access while the fuselage is being built
> (seats, controls, etc), there is another reason not to glue one side on
> before joining the two fuselage sides. The side panel acts as a huge gusset,
> and therefore provides a good deal of strength and stiffness to the fuselage
> sides. If one side is glued while laying flat on the table, and the other
> side is not glued on until later, there is a very high likelihood that the
> paneled side will flex less than the non-paneled side, when you join the two
> fuselage sides. If this happens, your fuselage will be out of symmetry,
> which would not be a good thing. So, the recommended practice would be
> either to glue both sides on while in the flat, or glue both sides on after
> the fuselage sides have been joined (curved). That way the stresses will be
> equal in both sides. From a practical viewpoint (for ease of access while
> building), the better of the two is to glue the sides on later.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313272#313272
>
>
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On 09/21/2010 04:36 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"<hangar10@cox.net>
>
>
> yocum137 wrote:
>> Let's back up a minute - you want to use the same pattern for both your left
and right sides, right? On one side, you'll be able to put the gussets right
on top of the longeron/cross braces. On the other side,
>> you'll put the gussets on the bottom, between the longeron/cross-braces
>> and the jig.
>>
>> Dan
>
>
> I follow ya Dan... I could lay them under the longerons and braces. I guess
I'm just trying to be consistent in my construction (glue and nail), which would
require me to have the gussets on top when gluing.
>
Ah, gotcha. But, you know, nails are over rated. I suppose you could
add them after the fact on that one side...
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Mark,
I did as Ryan M. suggested, and let the glue set hard, flipped the frame
over and installed gussets. There was no indication that the butt joints
were stressed to the breaking point. I left off the sides 'till the very
end, even after control stick and rudder pedals and brakes were installed.
Incidentally, I also followed Jim Boyer's advice; made my 1/8" firewall
plywood, clamped it in place, drilled 'locating dowels' that stuck out about
3", and left the firewall off until just before making the metal firewall
and installing the engine mount...should be pics on westcoastpiet. That
gives you forward access even after the sides are glued on. I must have
removed that firewall plywood at least 500 times...maybe 1,000!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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On 09/21/2010 04:36 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"<hangar10@cox.net>
>
>
> yocum137 wrote:
>> Let's back up a minute - you want to use the same pattern for both your
left and right sides, right? On one side, you'll be able to put the gussets
right on top of the longeron/cross braces. On the other side,
>> you'll put the gussets on the bottom, between the longeron/cross-braces
>> and the jig.
>>
>> Dan
>
>
> I follow ya Dan... I could lay them under the longerons and braces. I
guess I'm just trying to be consistent in my construction (glue and nail),
which would require me to have the gussets on top when gluing.
>
Ah, gotcha. But, you know, nails are over rated. I suppose you could
add them after the fact on that one side...
Dan
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yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Mark,
>
> I did as Ryan M. suggested, and let the glue set hard, flipped the frame
> over and installed gussets. There was no indication that the butt joints
> were stressed to the breaking point. I left off the sides 'till the very
> end, even after control stick and rudder pedals and brakes were installed.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
It's done.
I went to the hangar tonight and glued all the supports in place without gussets
or ply. I will wait a day or two and flip it over to install the inside gussets
only. This is originally what I hoped to do, but I was looking for some
confirmation from others that it was indeed possible when using thesame jig for
both sides... I got that and then some. I think the Pietenpol method would
have worked well by providing the necessary framework to hold things together,
but I was unsure about closing in the right side and I do see your point Bill
about the uneven bending force.
Oh well, problem solved... now I just hope to get the gussets installed without
any separation or damage. Dan... I will be using glue AND nails for that operation.
LOL!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Hi Mark,
I would think you don't need to be too paranoid about damaging the fuse side
when removing it from the jig. Granted, the butt joints have relatively
little strength, but they should be plenty strong for just lifting it,
flipping it over, and setting it back down again. I would think that as long
as you take the time to work your way around the jig to make sure each joint
is free from the table (like working your way around the pizza before
sliding it off the pan), you should be ok. Work carefully, and good luck
(not that you need it!).
Have a good night,
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:53 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> > Mark,
> >
> > I did as Ryan M. suggested, and let the glue set hard, flipped the frame
> > over and installed gussets. There was no indication that the butt joints
> > were stressed to the breaking point. I left off the sides 'till the very
> > end, even after control stick and rudder pedals and brakes were
> installed.
> >
> >
> > Gary Boothe
> >
>
>
> It's done.
>
> I went to the hangar tonight and glued all the supports in place without
> gussets or ply. I will wait a day or two and flip it over to install the
> inside gussets only. This is originally what I hoped to do, but I was
> looking for some confirmation from others that it was indeed possible when
> using thesame jig for both sides... I got that and then some. I think the
> Pietenpol method would have worked well by providing the necessary framework
> to hold things together, but I was unsure about closing in the right side
> and I do see your point Bill about the uneven bending force.
>
> Oh well, problem solved... now I just hope to get the gussets installed
> without any separation or damage. Dan... I will be using glue AND nails for
> that operation. LOL!
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313318#313318
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Why don't you just go ahead and put those gussets on top
of the joints.
Then clamp another set onto those and glue all your
longerons and crossmembers to those. This will give
you two identical sides with no muss or fuss. :-)
Clif
"The man who has no imagination has no wings." ~ Muhammad Ali
>
> gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
>> Mark,
>>
>> I did as Ryan M. suggested, and let the glue set hard, flipped the frame
>> over and installed gussets. >>
>> Gary Boothe
> It's done.
> I went to the hangar tonight and glued all the supports in place without
gussets or ply. I will wait a day or two and flip it over to install the
inside gussets only. > --------
> Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: metal size for tail fittings |
hello there in my case I used the same size you tell us and match bery well
whit plans for horns and plates is bery stronger I hope help you nex senyo
u pictured tanks jorge from hanford
--- On Mon, 9/20/10, echobravo4 <eab4@comcast.net> wrote:
From: echobravo4 <eab4@comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal size for tail fittings
i've been going through the archives and just want to double check-
Is .080 good for the tail fittings or should i use .090?
Also, is .032 good for the tail control horns?
I have all the wood for the tail on the way and am ready to call Dillsurg
to order the metal for the fittings.
Thanks for any help-
Earl
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up whe
re I intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: 6 Weeks into Piet |
if your are looky guy $$$$$$$$, formy tokmy 10 years and still stok in fuse
soner or later the ribs coming these november,seyou jorge from hanford
--- On Mon, 9/20/10, Mark M <mmcfi@juno.com> wrote:
From: Mark M <mmcfi@juno.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 6 Weeks into Piet
I call =9CBS!!=9D Everyone knows it takes 2 years and 6 mos jus
t to build 20 ribs=C2-
=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-
Gary Boothe
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- I think that if you take into account his statement that=C2- he ha
s wanted to do this for 30 years that his time line will work out just abou
t right....
Mark
Now according to this line of thinking i only have 18 years 4 months and 13
days to go... :D=C2- :)=C2- =C2- :(=C2- [Crying or Very sad]
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on Web Site -
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Ha! Now there's an idea I haven't seen. Problem is, my left half has already
been completed... I was simply trying to figure the best (or at least a good)
approach to building the right half in the same jig. Not a problem now... everything
is in the works. Glue should be dry tomorrow evening, so I'll press on
from there.
CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Why don't you just go ahead and put those gussets on top
> of the joints.
> Then clamp another set onto those and glue all your
> longerons and crossmembers to those. This will give
> you two identical sides with no muss or fuss. :-)
>
> Clif
>
> "The man who has no imagination has no wings." ~ Muhammad Ali
>
> >
> > gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > I did as Ryan M. suggested, and let the glue set hard, flipped the frame
> > > over and installed gussets. >>
> > > Gary Boothe
> >
> >
>
>
> > It's done.
> > > I went to the hangar tonight and glued all the supports in place without
> >
>
> gussets or ply. I will wait a day or two and flip it over to install the
> inside gussets only. > --------
>
> > Mark Chouinard
> >
> >
>
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: 6 Weeks into Piet |
I agree oscar,
--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 6 Weeks into Piet
Harvey wrote-
>if you have enough people working on it and they all know
>what they are doing (not like me) then I think you should
>be able to crank out a Piet just about everyother day
1. Everyone who works on Piets knows what they are doing.
2. If you have more than one person working on a Piet at a
time, nothing will ever get done because they will never
agree on how to make a part, rig the airplane, lay out the
instrument panel, what type of engine is best, what paint
scheme to use, what size prop to use, what type of hardware
to use, or anything else.- And they will each think they
know how Mr. Pietenpol did it or would have done it if he
were still alive today, or how the FAA books say it
should properly be done, or how Bingelis says it should be
done, or how they saw it done in a magazine article, or
how they think they can improve on 1929 technology, and
they will argue their point unflinchingly and indefinitely.
3. If you have MORE than two people working on a Piet, just
call it a beer and BS session and don't anybody touch any
part that might eventually fly, because it will be wrong,
it will be unairworthy, and Mr. Pietenpol would be
embarrassed if he ever saw it.- Have fun and talk about
Piets, but don't expect to actually get anything done.
Now if you want to really make progress and build an actual
airplane, lock the door to your shop, unroll the plans, and
start building.- That's what Corky did with 41CC, and I'm
flying the proof of it.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pedal Piet plans |
is bery cheap sales from oscar and allso you can trate from EAA.org/shoping
is about 7 diferent planes.
--- On Mon, 9/20/10, Chet Hartley <chethartley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
From: Chet Hartley <chethartley1@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pedal Piet plans
I would like to have them.
Chethartley1@mchsi.com
573-645-0534
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 20, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I have a new and unused set of plans for the
> "Pedal Piet" for young children:
>
> http://www.pedalplanekits.com/piet.html
>
> These plans cost about $25 from Aviation Products.
> If you're interested in these plans, email me
> off-list.- If you start building today, you could
> have a Christmas present for your favorite young
> Piet pilot.- $15 to the first responder.- Thanks!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net- - - - - - - - -
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| Subject: | Re: Model B Engine Piet Service Ceiling |
I believe You can fly from coast to coast and not get over 6,000 ft . MSL. One
route is north and the other is through the El Paso area.
Blue Skies,
STeve D
On 09/21/10, Clayton Harper <claytonharper@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Any idea what the service ceiling for a Ford B Piet would be? I only asking because
I am interested in an airplane that is for sale near SFO and might want
to fly it back to Houston. I'm retired airline with time to spend, and would
rather fly than drive.
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