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1. 06:03 AM - Re: Continental Overhaul manual (tkreiner)
2. 06:08 AM - Fuselage Construction (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Ryan Mueller)
4. 06:56 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (norm)
5. 07:38 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Bill Church)
6. 08:15 AM - Re: Fuselage Construction (Jim Boyer)
7. 03:10 PM - Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels (shad bell)
8. 05:24 PM - Re: Engine purchase (Jack Phillips)
9. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Construction (Michael Conkling)
10. 08:19 PM - Re: Fuselage Construction (K5YAC)
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| Subject: | Re: Continental Overhaul manual |
Brian,
Please post your email address.
Thanks,
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Fuselage Construction |
>If one side is glued while laying flat on the table,
>and the other side is not glued on until later,
>there is a very high likelihood that the paneled side
>will flex less than the non-paneled side when you join
>the two fuselage sides. If this happens, your fuselage
>will be out of symmetry, which would not be a good thing.
OK, just talking theoretically here (since the topic has
been flogged to death already), aren't the fuselage sides
parallel from the firewall to the back of the pilot's seat,
where the plywood ends and it's just open framing from
there aft? If so, then the plywood-sheeted parts aren't
being asked to bend or flex, only open-framed sections.
In that case, it shouldn't make any difference.
The above does NOT apply to GN-1s or "Navratil-style"
fully-sheeted fuselages, of course.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
You have to take in to account the fact that John is building a double wide,
so that may change things a bit.... ;)
Ryan
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >If one side is glued while laying flat on the table,
> >and the other side is not glued on until later,
> >there is a very high likelihood that the paneled side
> >will flex less than the non-paneled side when you join
> >the two fuselage sides. If this happens, your fuselage
> >will be out of symmetry, which would not be a good thing.
>
> OK, just talking theoretically here (since the topic has
> been flogged to death already), aren't the fuselage sides
> parallel from the firewall to the back of the pilot's seat,
> where the plywood ends and it's just open framing from
> there aft? If so, then the plywood-sheeted parts aren't
> being asked to bend or flex, only open-framed sections.
> In that case, it shouldn't make any difference.
>
> The above does NOT apply to GN-1s or "Navratil-style"
> fully-sheeted fuselages, of course.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Oscar is correct in in his theory, been there done that!
--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction
>If one side is glued while laying flat on the table,
>and the other side is not glued on until later,
>there is a very high likelihood that the paneled side
>will flex less than the non-paneled side when you join
>the two fuselage sides. If this happens, your fuselage
>will be out of symmetry, which would not be a good thing.
OK, just talking theoretically here (since the topic has
been flogged to death already), aren't the fuselage sides
parallel from the firewall to the back of the pilot's seat,
where the plywood ends and it's just open framing from
there aft?- If so, then the plywood-sheeted parts aren't
being asked to bend or flex, only open-framed sections.
In that case, it shouldn't make any difference.
The above does NOT apply to GN-1s or "Navratil-style"
fully-sheeted fuselages, of course.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Well, technically the fuselage sides are parallel from the firewall to the back
of the passenger's seat, and begin tapering from there, which leaves about 29
inches rear of the passenger seat of plywood paneled fuselage side that needs
to flex. Now, the fuselage is only 2 inches narrower by the back of the pilot's
seat, so not a great deal of flexing, but still possibly significant.
Just seems like logic to me to build both sides using the same technique, and eliminate
the possibility of unevenness.
Bill C.
Quote:
If one side is glued while laying flat on the table,
and the other side is not glued on until later,
there is a very high likelihood that the paneled side
will flex less than the non-paneled side when you join
the two fuselage sides. If this happens, your fuselage
will be out of symmetry, which would not be a good thing.
OK, just talking theoretically here (since the topic has
been flogged to death already), aren't the fuselage sides
parallel from the firewall to the back of the pilot's seat,
where the plywood ends and it's just open framing from
there aft? If so, then the plywood-sheeted parts aren't
being asked to bend or flex, only open-framed sections.
In that case, it shouldn't make any difference.
The above does NOT apply to GN-1s or "Navratil-style"
fully-sheeted fuselages, of course.
Oscar Zuniga
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Hi Oscar,
My Piet sides do curve from about the rear of the front cockpit so the sides with
plywood have to be able to be curved the same amount.
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 5:50:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Construction
>If one side is glued while laying flat on the table,
>and the other side is not glued on until later,
>there is a very high likelihood that the paneled side
>will flex less than the non-paneled side when you join
>the two fuselage sides. If this happens, your fuselage
>will be out of symmetry, which would not be a good thing.
OK, just talking theoretically here (since the topic has
been flogged to death already), aren't the fuselage sides
parallel from the firewall to the back of the pilot's seat,
where the plywood ends and it's just open framing from
there aft? If so, then the plywood-sheeted parts aren't
being asked to bend or flex, only open-framed sections.
In that case, it shouldn't make any difference.
The above does NOT apply to GN-1s or "Navratil-style"
fully-sheeted fuselages, of course.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels |
Looks like friday is going to be a fairly windy day.- Forcast is saying 1
5-20mph winds out of the SW, almost a direct headwind.- That should add a
bout 2 hrs to my trip down to Lee Bottoms fly-in, counting an extra fuel st
op or two.- Mike C., are you still planning on flying down on friday?-
Saturday looks a little better, unfortunatly I have to head home by 2pm or
so to get back for work on sunday.-
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Hope to see some of you down there,
Shad
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Good for you, Brian!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine purchase
Group,
Just wanted to share with everyone a beginning mile-stone on my Piet
project, after much searching and engine questions, last Friday I
purchased...well actually "stole" my 0-200 for the Piet. The engine has
700hrs SMOH, came with logs, new mags and all other accessories,
starter, carb, alternator, exhausts and heat muffs. Previous owner was
upgrading and needed cash for a down payment. I walked away with it for
$4500.00. I am still walking around with a grin every time I think of
that engine sitting in my hangar. Now back to the business of
building....
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Hey folks!
At long last I'm at this point, too -- my jig is on a barn loft floor, so I
can lay out both sides at once -- the upper longerons side-by-side (top
surfaces together?) down the center -- insides facing up (i.e. R.H. side on
the left side of the jig & L.H. side on the right) -- all the inside gussets
will be on the upper surfaces of both trusses (this is the same trick I've
used to build stick-n-tissue models, another place where you don't want a
"banana" shaped fuselage! ;-)
Besides the usual squeeze bottles of T-88, there is now a cartridge of T-88
that fits a regular caulking gun -- there is a "mixing" tip and a straight
dispensing double tip -- might be a good thing to use for getting all the
fuseledge pieces / parts glued in one session.
Now back to "lurk mode" so I can get some work done!
Mike (another) C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Construction |
Still beating the dog squeeze out of this topic I see. LOL!
I pulled my right fuse side out of the jig and glued all the gussets on tonight.
All went well... both the left and right sides look good. Mike, that T-88
dispenser would have been a good idea. I mixed and brushed on four 15g batches
to get all the gussets glued. Oh well, on to the next challenge.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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