---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/23/10: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:32 AM - Re: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels (Richard Schreiber) 2. 09:31 AM - Landing Gear Brackets (chase143(at)aol.com) 3. 09:52 AM - Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Billy McCaskill) 4. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Gary Boothe) 5. 10:17 AM - Re: Landing Gear Brackets (chase143(at)aol.com) 6. 10:36 AM - Re: Landing Gear Brackets (helspersew@aol.com) 7. 10:52 AM - Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Jack) 8. 12:50 PM - Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Jack Phillips) 9. 01:26 PM - Re: Landing Gear Brackets (chase143(at)aol.com) 10. 04:00 PM - Re: Landing Gear Brackets (K5YAC) 11. 05:26 PM - Wing covering question (Rick Holland) 12. 05:43 PM - Baton Rouge (GliderMike) 13. 05:45 PM - Re: Wing covering question (Gene Rambo) 14. 06:08 PM - Re: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels (shad bell) 15. 06:20 PM - Re: Wing covering question (Ben Charvet) 16. 07:08 PM - Re: Wing covering question (Rick Holland) 17. 07:23 PM - Re: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels (Richard Schreiber) 18. 08:23 PM - Re: Baton Rouge (Billy McCaskill) 19. 08:24 PM - Re: Baton Rouge (Billy McCaskill) 20. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Michael Perez) 21. 10:11 PM - cables (VanDy) 22. 10:47 PM - Re: cables (BYD) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:00 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels Shad: I'll be at Lee Bottom Friday through Sunday morning. I'll be leaving NW Indiana after lunch on Friday, flying down in my red and white Tripacer. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: 9/22/2010 5:12:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels Looks like friday is going to be a fairly windy day. Forcast is saying 15-20mph winds out of the SW, almost a direct headwind. That should add about 2 hrs to my trip down to Lee Bottoms fly-in, counting an extra fuel stop or two. Mike C., are you still planning on flying down on friday? Saturday looks a little better, unfortunatly I have to head home by 2pm or so to get back for work on sunday. Hope to see some of you down there, Shad ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Brackets From: "chase143(at)aol.com" A picture of my LG lower brackets, I think they came out pretty good. I decided to rivet them after seeing Genes good work up close and personal. They are tremendously strong and riveted easily. Thanks again Gene! -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313494#313494 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brackets_riveted_159.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets From: "Billy McCaskill" Very nice work! What are the advantages of using rivets over nuts and bolts? -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313496#313496 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:18 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets I used nuts and bolts...the rivets are much cleaner looking! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy McCaskill Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets Very nice work! What are the advantages of using rivets over nuts and bolts? -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313496#313496 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Just my $.02: I think they looked more traditional, as called out in the plans, very strong, and they have a smaller profile with smoother edges to prevent cutting into the bungees. I had the equipment in the shop, just add $5 in rivets. And lastly, they are fun to make, I love to wake the neighbors at midnight with the sound of rivetting! Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313510#313510 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Brackets From: helspersew@aol.com Steve, Those things are beautiful!!! Wow a real work of art. Mine are not that go od. Keep up this type of work and you will be amoung the "cream" at Brodhe ad!! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: chase143(at)aol.com Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2010 11:29 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Brackets com> A picture of my LG lower brackets, I think they came out pretty good. I de cided o rivet them after seeing Gene=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s good work up close and personal. They are remendously strong and riveted easily. Thanks again Gene! -------- teve ww.mypiet.com ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313494#313494 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brackets_riveted_159.jpg -======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:30 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Brackets Looks great Steve! I have to comment publicly on your work and website, both are fantastic! Pieters check it out www.mypiet.com a fantastic resource! Jack www.textors.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Brackets A picture of my LG lower brackets, I think they came out pretty good. I decided to rivet them after seeing Genes good work up close and personal. They are tremendously strong and riveted easily. Thanks again Gene! -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313494#313494 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brackets_riveted_159.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:02 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Brackets Looking good, Steve. So you've seen Gene's gorgeous project recently, huh? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Brackets A picture of my LG lower brackets, I think they came out pretty good. I decided to rivet them after seeing Gene?Ts good work up close and personal. They are tremendously strong and riveted easily. Thanks again Gene! -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313494#313494 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brackets_riveted_159.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Jack T. you are too kind, just following your website lead! Jack P. ~ Yes, I visited Gene before Brodhead and his is beautiful. My Piet pales in comparison. I liked his rivet work so much I shamelessly copied it (best form of flattery ey!?). His must be ready to cover by now. Gene? Pictures? -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313529#313529 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets From: "K5YAC" Steve, that is beautiful work. I would copy you copying Gene if I were doing that type of gear. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313534#313534 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing covering question From: Rick Holland When you guys covered your wings did you glue the top fabric to the entire leading edge ply or just a couple inches on the front of the leading edge? thanks rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Baton Rouge From: "GliderMike" Is the person who recently acquired their Piet plans and lives in the Baton Rouge area on this list yet? If everything goes as planned I will be working for Atlantic Southeast at their Baton Rouge maintenance facility sometime soon, probably late October, or early November. I bought plans in April or May, but haven't started anything yet. -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313538#313538 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:12 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing covering question glue to only a couple of inches of leading edge. Dope to remainder of plyw ood. Definitely do not glue to entire leading edge. Gene do not archive Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing covering question From: at7000ft@gmail.com When you guys covered your wings did you glue the top fabric to the entire leading edge ply or just a couple inches on the front of the leading edge? thanks rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:31 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels Rich, I don't know why, but most of my post on the list keep ending up in m y spam, not sure if they are getting viruses attatched at my end or what. - Mike Cuy was planning on flying down last I heard, but I am not sure. - I had my other 2 wingman bail on me so I will be going it alone.- Due to the forecast, I am gonna plan on leaving at 1st light, try to get there before the winds get really bad. - Shad=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing covering question From: Ben Charvet I just glued the leading edge. I did put antichafe tape on the rear of the plywood. I used latex rather than dope, and Stewart system Ecobond glue. Ben Charvet On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > glue to only a couple of inches of leading edge. Dope to remainder of > plywood. Definitely do not glue to entire leading edge. > > Gene > do not archive > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:16:37 -0600 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing covering question > From: at7000ft@gmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > When you guys covered your wings did you glue the top fabric to the entire > leading edge ply or just a couple inches on the front of the leading edge? > > thanks > > rick > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing covering question From: Rick Holland Thanks Ben, am using Stewards and Latex also. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Ben Charvet wrote: > I just glued the leading edge. I did put antichafe tape on the rear of the > plywood. I used latex rather than dope, and Stewart system Ecobond glue. > > Ben Charvet > > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > >> glue to only a couple of inches of leading edge. Dope to remainder of >> plywood. Definitely do not glue to entire leading edge. >> >> Gene >> do not archive >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:16:37 -0600 >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing covering question >> From: at7000ft@gmail.com >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >> >> When you guys covered your wings did you glue the top fabric to the entire >> leading edge ply or just a couple inches on the front of the leading edge? >> >> thanks >> >> rick >> >> -- >> Rick Holland >> Castle Rock, Colorado >> >> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" >> >> * >> >> st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:22 PM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels Shad, Most of the guys I knew that were going have bailed for various reasons. Last I heard I still have one friend who is flying up from Tennessee in his Grumman Widgeon and another coming in from Michigan in his Pacer. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell Sent: 9/23/2010 8:10:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels Rich, I don't know why, but most of my post on the list keep ending up in my spam, not sure if they are getting viruses attatched at my end or what. Mike Cuy was planning on flying down last I heard, but I am not sure. I had my other 2 wingman bail on me so I will be going it alone. Due to the forecast, I am gonna plan on leaving at 1st light, try to get there before the winds get really bad. Shad ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Baton Rouge From: "Billy McCaskill" Hi Mike, That's probably me that you are referring to, although I have had my plans since 1995. My residence is about 4 mi north of BTR, although I travel back and forth between Baton Rouge and Urbana, IL quite frequently. My wife and I have a house in Urbana, at least until she graduates nursing school in December and we get the house there sold. My Piet project is in Urbana for now, although I only have my tail section built. I started building it just a year or so ago. Let me know once you are moved down and settled in and we'll get together and talk airplane stuff. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313550#313550 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Baton Rouge From: "Billy McCaskill" Hi Mike, That's probably me that you are referring to, although I have had my plans since 1995. My residence is about 4 mi north of BTR, although I travel back and forth between Baton Rouge and Urbana, IL quite frequently. My wife and I have a house in Urbana, at least until she graduates nursing school in December and we get the house there sold. My Piet project is in Urbana for now, although I only have my tail section built. I started building it just a year or so ago. Let me know once you are moved down and settled in and we'll get together and talk airplane stuff. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313549#313549 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:10 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets As I have never done any riveting...what tools are required? Can this type of riveting be done by hand, or are machines needed? (of some sort) Are the rivets steel? I think your brackets look great and with the comment about the bungees being a little better protected, I am very interested. Thanks. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: cables From: "VanDy" So i did a couple of searches on here and found what looked like people are using both 3/32 and 1/8 stainless steel cables, so my question in what is the common that most are using? Thanks in advance@@ -------- www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313554#313554 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables From: "BYD" If I recall correctly, the prints show all cables as 3/32 with the exception of the cables connecting the stick and the elevator bellcrank which are 1/8. I don't remember what the "Jenny style gear" prints call out. Some decide to utilize larger in some areas. If I missed a spot, I'm sure someone will point it out [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313557#313557 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.