Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 09/24/10


Total Messages Posted: 31



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     1. 03:53 AM - Re: cables (Greg Cardinal)
     2. 04:02 AM - Re: cables (jeff wilson)
     3. 05:03 AM - Re: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels (shad bell)
     4. 05:04 AM - Re: cables (Ben Charvet)
     5. 05:47 AM - Re: cables (Gene Rambo)
     6. 05:52 AM - Re: Landing Gear Brackets (chase143(at)aol.com)
     7. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Gene Rambo)
     8. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Jim Markle)
     9. 06:25 AM - Re: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels (bender)
    10. 06:28 AM - Re: Baton Rouge (GliderMike)
    11. 06:52 AM - Re: cables (jeff wilson)
    12. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Michael Perez)
    13. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Michael Perez)
    14. 07:42 AM - Re: cables (Jim Markle)
    15. 07:42 AM - onr more thing.... cables (Jim Markle)
    16. 09:13 AM - Re: onr more thing.... cables (Rick Holland)
    17. 09:26 AM - Re: cables (Rick Holland)
    18. 09:49 AM - Lycoming 65 Hp ad (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
    19. 10:20 AM - Re: cables (Bill Church)
    20. 10:45 AM - Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad (Jim Ash)
    21. 10:50 AM - Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad (Jack)
    22. 11:55 AM - Re: onr more thing.... cables (Billy McCaskill)
    23. 12:01 PM - Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
    24. 01:22 PM - Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad (Rick Holland)
    25. 01:25 PM - Re: onr more thing.... cables (Gary Boothe)
    26. 01:26 PM - Re: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! (Billy McCaskill)
    27. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: onr more thing.... cables (Kip and Beth Gardner)
    28. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! (Gary Wilson)
    29. 08:15 PM - the Brew boys get together was a happening thing (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    30. 10:37 PM - Re: cables (VanDy)
    31. 10:44 PM - Re: onr more thing.... cables (VanDy)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:53:56 AM PST US
    From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: cables
    NX18235 has 1/8" 1X19 stainless steel on drag and anti-drag, lift strut bracing and landing gear bracing cables. 3/32" 7X19 stainless steel on cabane and empennage bracing. 3/32" 7X19 galvanized all control cables. Using 1/8" cable on the cabane bracing would be a good idea because these cables take a real beating when taxiing over rough ground. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cables > <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com> > > So i did a couple of searches on here and found what looked like people > are using both 3/32 and 1/8 stainless steel cables, so my question in what > is the common that most are using? > Thanks in advance@@ > > -------- > www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! > > almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313554#313554 > > >


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    Time: 04:02:29 AM PST US
    From: jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: cables
    On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for Stai nless Steel. Why not use Galvanized steel?- I am using all galvanized.- 1/8 inch thr oughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with g al.- The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same i n strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says t hats enough to buy her a nice dinner out. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis, MO All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend. Do Not Archive =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:03:29 AM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels
    Rich, If you, or someone with you-make it down to Lee Bottoms today (frid ay), and you need dinner use my ticket.- I pre paid for 1 dinner, and pai d the $5 fee for 1 reservation (2 total reservations).- Pick up the ticke ts at the pilot registration tent.- I won't make it today, called for wea ther and it's way to windy.-- Winds aloft, 46kts direct headwind for me , I would end up in cleveland instead of cincinnati at that rate.- I migh t try tommorow to get there, I have to check with work to get sunday off. - Tickets are under the name Shad Bell - Shad=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:04:46 AM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: cables
    I used galvanized 7x19 throughout. As I remember, all but the tail bracing is 1/8 inch. Ben Charvet On 9/24/2010 7:00 AM, jeff wilson wrote: > On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for > Stainless Steel. > Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch > throughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper > ferrules with gal. The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 > is rated the same in strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot > cheaper. My wife says thats enough to buy her a nice dinner out. > > Jeff Wilson > N899WT > St. Louis, MO > All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend. > > Do Not Archive > > > * > > > *


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    Time: 05:47:02 AM PST US
    From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: cables
    Galvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick =2C easy=2C almost zero cost=2C looks better=2C and=2C even better=2C is or iginal. You can use the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley =2C which is most of the wires=2C but you might as well just buy a length o f 7x19. Per the plans=2C I used 3/32 for almost all cables except landing gear=2C all elevator cables=2C and cabane=2C or "roll" wires=2C which are a ll 1/8. (not sure what plans say for roll wires=2C but I went 1/8). Ailer on=2C rudder=2C and tail brace wires are 3/32. I bought all cable off Ebay. You have to be careful when buying=2C because what they call "aircraft ca ble" is not necessarily what it is (although for "stay" cables that do not go around pulleys like tail brace=2C I cannot find a reason why it should m atter) What I bought=2C very cheaply=2C had correct mil-spec number on spo ols. Gene From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables On the subject of cables=2C it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for St ainless Steel. Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch through out. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with gal. The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same in stre ngth for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says thats e nough to buy her a nice dinner out. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis=2C MO All wood done=2C on gear=2C installing A-65 this weekend. Do Not Archive


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    Time: 05:52:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Landing Gear Brackets
    From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143@aol.com>
    Hello Michael, It takes an air compressor, rivet gun, and bucking bar. If you don't have them, I would find a friend who does and do it there, it takes 10 mins. Would not recommend doing by hand. Rivets are steel, $5.45 1/lb (about 100 rivets), and I think I used 26 (very inexpensive). I got 1 1/2" and 1 1/4". R.J. Leahy (http://www.rjleahy.com/Store/rivets/trvr.htm) is a small, very friendly company in CA. The 1 1/4" rivets were on back order, when they came in, they apologized and shipped without charging me. They have my business for life..... Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313577#313577


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    Time: 05:52:34 AM PST US
    From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing Gear Brackets
    The rivets=2C per the plans=2C are all steel. There are several places onl ine to order steel rivets=2C very cheap. I think a box of 50 rivets cost m e 5.00. If you use the large=2C round-headed rivets which look better and are more original=2C you have to buy a special rivet head for it=2C from sa me place as rivets=2C cost about $15. They drive very easily=2C but I alwa us use a 4X gun which has a large=2C heavy hammer and can go fairly slow. The light=2C fast "skin guns" that sound like one of those electric gatling cannons might not do too well on steel rivets. Gene > Date: Thu=2C 23 Sep 2010 20:25:29 -0700 > From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > .net> > > As I have never done any riveting...what tools are required? Can this typ e of riveting be done by hand=2C or are machines needed? (of some sort) Are the rivets steel? I think your brackets look great and with the comment ab out the bungees being a little better protected=2C I am very interested. > > Thanks. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 06:25:40 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing Gear Brackets
    This is great info! Thanks Steve. The R.J. Leahy linke below also has 22ga wire. That's what's used in the recent Sport Aviation article on wire wrapping... jm -----Original Message----- >From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143@aol.com> >Sent: Sep 24, 2010 7:49 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets > > >Hello Michael, >It takes an air compressor, rivet gun, and bucking bar. If you don't have them, I would find a friend who does and do it there, it takes 10 mins. Would not recommend doing by hand. > >Rivets are steel, $5.45 1/lb (about 100 rivets), and I think I used 26 (very inexpensive). I got 1 1/2" and 1 1/4". > >R.J. Leahy (http://www.rjleahy.com/Store/rivets/trvr.htm) is a small, very friendly company in CA. The 1 1/4" rivets were on back order, when they came in, they apologized and shipped without charging me. They have my business for life..... > >Steve > >-------- >Steve >www.mypiet.com > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313577#313577 > >


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    Time: 06:25:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels
    From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
    Looks like i'll be there for the last ride in my cessna 120.. I sold it and will deliver it tomorrow afternoon, but not until i make that last trip to lee bottom. Looking forward to inspecting a piet or two and building starts really soon. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313583#313583


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    Time: 06:28:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Baton Rouge
    From: "GliderMike" <glidermikeg@yahoo.com>
    Hi Billy, I'll post something when I get moved into Baton Rouge. do not archive -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313584#313584


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    Time: 06:52:41 AM PST US
    From: jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com>
    Subject: cables
    In this context, what is "wrap/solder the terminals"? I just passed the E-L SA repairman certificate but my learning curve is on going. Does anyone hav e a picture or can you point me towards one? Maybe I'll find it in AC 43.13 . Jeff Wilson N899WT --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote: From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables =0A=0A=0AGalvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick, easy, almost zero cost, looks better, and, even better, is origin al.- You can use the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley, wh ich is most of the wires, but you might as well just buy a length of 7x19. - Per the plans, I used 3/32 for almost all cables except landing gear, a ll elevator cables, and cabane, or "roll" wires, which are all 1/8. (not su re what plans say for roll wires, but I went 1/8).---Aileron, rudder, and tail brace wires are 3/32.-I bought all cable off Ebay.- You have to be careful when buying, because what they call "aircraft cable" is not n ecessarily what it is (although for "stay" cables that do not go around pul leys like tail brace, I cannot find a reason why it should matter)- What I bought, very cheaply, had correct mil-spec number on spools. =0A- =0AGene - =0A=0A=0ADate: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 04:00:02 -0700 From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables =0A=0A=0A=0AOn the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opt ing for Stainless Steel. Why not use Galvanized steel?- I am using all galvanized.- 1/8 inch thr oughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with g al.- The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same i n strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says t hats enough to buy her a nice dinner out. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis, MO All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend. Do Not Archive=0A st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 07:02:43 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Landing Gear Brackets
    Sounds like the first thing I need to do is get familiar with the tools/equ ipment needed. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote: From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets =0A=0A=0AThe rivets, per the plans, are all steel.- There are several pla ces online to order steel rivets, very cheap.- I think a box of 50 rivets cost me 5.00.- If you use the large, round-headed rivets which look bett er and are more original, you have to buy a special rivet head for it, from same place as rivets, cost about $15.- They drive very easily, but I alw aus use a 4X gun which has a large, heavy hammer and can go fairly slow.- -The light, fast "skin guns" that sound like-one of those electric gatl ing cannons might not do too well on steel rivets. =0A- =0AGene - =0A> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:25:29 -0700 > From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > .net> > > As I have never done any riveting...what tools are required? Can this typ e of riveting be done by hand, or are machines needed? (of some sort) Are t he rivets steel? I think your brackets look great and with the comment abou t the bungees being a little better protected, I am very interested. > > Thanks. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com ============== > > > ======================0A=0A


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    Time: 07:05:31 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Landing Gear Brackets
    Thanks for the answers men. I have a pretty good idea now of what I must learn and I feel that riveting is the way I will proceed. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:42:07 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: cables
    Here's a pretty good picture of a wire wrapped fitting. There's also a good article in a recent Sport Aviation issue, maybe a couple months back.... -----Original Message----- From: jeff wilson Sent: Sep 24, 2010 8:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables In this context, what is "wrap/solder the terminals"? I just passed the E-LSA repairman certificate but my learning curve is on going. Does anyone have a picture or can you point me towards one? Maybe I'll find it in AC 43.13. Jeff Wilson N899WT --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote: From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables Galvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick, easy, almost zero cost, looks better, and, even better, is original. You can use the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley, which is most of the wires, but you might as well just buy a length of 7x19. Per the plans, I used 3/32 for almost all cables except landing gear, all elevator cables, and cabane, or "roll" wires, which are all 1/8. (not sure what plans say for roll wires, but I went 1/8). Aileron, rudder, and tail brace wires are 3/32. I bought all cable off Ebay. You have to be careful when buying, because what they call "aircraft cable" is not necessarily what it is (although for "stay" cables that do not go around pulleys like tail brace, I cannot find a reason why it should matter) What I bought, very cheaply, had correct mil-spec number on spools. Gene From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for Stainless Steel. Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch throughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with gal. The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same in strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says thats enough to buy her a nice dinner out. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis, MO All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend. Do Not Archive st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigw" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.mat =========


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    Time: 07:42:07 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: cables
    Excellent wire wrapping/soldering reference article: http://curtissjennyrestoration.blogspot.com/2007/12/wire-wrapping-and-soldering.html -----Original Message----- From: jeff wilson Sent: Sep 24, 2010 8:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables In this context, what is "wrap/solder the terminals"? I just passed the E-LSA repairman certificate but my learning curve is on going. Does anyone have a picture or can you point me towards one? Maybe I'll find it in AC 43.13. Jeff Wilson N899WT --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote: From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables Galvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick, easy, almost zero cost, looks better, and, even better, is original. You can use the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley, which is most of the wires, but you might as well just buy a length of 7x19. Per the plans, I used 3/32 for almost all cables except landing gear, all elevator cables, and cabane, or "roll" wires, which are all 1/8. (not sure what plans say for roll wires, but I went 1/8). Aileron, rudder, and tail brace wires are 3/32. I bought all cable off Ebay. You have to be careful when buying, because what they call "aircraft cable" is not necessarily what it is (although for "stay" cables that do not go around pulleys like tail brace, I cannot find a reason why it should matter) What I bought, very cheaply, had correct mil-spec number on spools. Gene From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for Stainless Steel. Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch throughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with gal. The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same in strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says thats enough to buy her a nice dinner out. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis, MO All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend. Do Not Archive st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigw" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.mat =========


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    Time: 09:13:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: cables
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Have to give a lot of credit to Chet Peek (Pietenpol Story author) and others like this guy who have restored Jennys and other aircraft like them to original specs. I think there are 300 turnbuckles on a Jenny so that's around 600 of those soldered cable ends to make. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>wrote: > jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > Excellent wire wrapping/soldering reference article: > > > http://curtissjennyrestoration.blogspot.com/2007/12/wire-wrapping-and-soldering.html > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jeff wilson > > Sent: Sep 24, 2010 8:50 AM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables > > > In this context, what is "wrap/solder the terminals"? I just passed the > E-LSA repairman certificate but my learning curve is on going. Does anyone > have a picture or can you point me towards one? Maybe I'll find it in AC > 43.13. > > Jeff Wilson > N899WT > > > --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote: > > From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables > To: "pietenpol-list" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 7:44 AM > > > Galvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick, > easy, almost zero cost, looks better, and, even better, is original. You > can use the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley, which is most > of the wires, but you might as well just buy a length of 7x19. Per the > plans, I used 3/32 for almost all cables except landing gear, all elevator > cables, and cabane, or "roll" wires, which are all 1/8. (not sure what plans > say for roll wires, but I went 1/8). Aileron, rudder, and tail brace wires > are 3/32. I bought all cable off Ebay. You have to be careful when buying, > because what they call "aircraft cable" is not necessarily what it is > (although for "stay" cables that do not go around pulleys like tail brace, I > cannot find a reason why it should matter) What I bought, very cheaply, had > correct mil-spec number on spools. > > > Gene > > > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 04:00:02 -0700 > From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for > Stainless Steel. > Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch > throughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with > gal. The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same in > strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says > thats enough to buy her a nice dinner out. > > Jeff Wilson > N899WT > St. Louis, MO > All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend. > > Do Not Archive > > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigw" target="_blank" href=" > http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.mat > ========= > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:26:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: cables
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Should use galvanized cable on any control cable that has to flex around a pully. Am using stainless on the cabane (3/32") and wing strut cross brace cables (1/8"). rick On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:55 PM, VanDy <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>wrote: > matthew.vandervort@gmail.com> > > So i did a couple of searches on here and found what looked like people are > using both 3/32 and 1/8 stainless steel cables, so my question in what is > the common that most are using? > Thanks in advance@@ > > -------- > www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! > > almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313554#313554 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:49:05 AM PST US
    From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
    Subject: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
    FYI for the group, this was listed on our local online classifieds. www.ksl.com Go to classifieds, then to recreational vehicles, then to airplanes and scroll down the list and you can see the ad and pics. $800.00 Lycoming 65 HP Motor (disassembled) RIGBY, ID 83442 Hard to find Lycoming 65 HP Motor. Motor is disassembled. Has good crank, etc. Motor was a spare motor for my BL 65 Taylorcraft. Sold aircraft. Dennis 208-745-0109 Brian SLC-UT Cont 0-200


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    Time: 10:20:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: cables
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Actually, I believe that provided you use actual AIRCRAFT cable (as opposed to commercial cable), both galvanized and stainless will have the necessary lubrication to provide better fatigue life required when flexing around pulleys. Without that lubrication, the cables will be much more likely to fail where they are repeatedly flexed and unflexed. Here's a link to Aircraft Spruce's webpage for aircraft cable: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/controlcable.php As you can see, the stainless cable costs about twice as much as galvanized. The important thing to note here is that both types of cables are true AIRCRAFT cable, which have specific and rigorous specifications that must be met. Commercial cable, which does not have the same rigorous standards, for some reason, is often called "aircraft cable". I would not use commercial cable in my plane. All of the cables are there for a specific task (either holding the plane together or allowing the pilot to control the plane), and should not be an area where the builder should be looking to save a few bucks. "Should be good enough" is NOT an appropriate attitude when choosing cables. If purchasing cables from a non-aviation source, make sure you know what you are buying (like Gene did). As for preference between galvanized and stainless, that is up to the individual. For exposed cables, stainless sure looks nicer - especially after a few years, although some would argue that galvanized will look more authentic. I believe Jack Phillips used stainless steel AIRCRAFT cable throughout his award winning Piet, and it looks really nice (and authentic). Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313624#313624


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    Time: 10:45:56 AM PST US
    From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
    I had one of these (Lycoming O145-B2) in my Cub, which is why my Cub now has a C-90 in it. I paid dearly to fix the mistake of not knowing what I was doing when I bought the Cub and it was almost all because of that @#$%^& motor. I poured a lot of money into nursing that engine along before it blew a head gasket, maybe 10 hours into having it rebuilt, and I gave up on it. Then lots more money to get the C-90 and have it mounted up and signed off (more costly mistakes in choosing an A&P to do the job). The cylinders are cast as part of the case. You don't just replace a jug when one goes poof. According to my A&P at the time, my cylinders were 26 thou over, and the legal limit was 30. Oversized rings were impossible to find, although standard-sized rings were still available (15 years ago). Lycoming rated this 65 hp at 2700 rpm, IIRC. There's no way mine cranked out 65 hp, but then I wasn't turning 2700 rpm (nobody does). Although I never had my engine on a dynamometer, I'm guessing it put out 50-55 hp. On a hot day in Florida, the tall pines on the departure end at Bob Lee's were close enough to provide a lot of extra pucker power. If you're working on an experimental and you're good with engines and machine work, you might be able to get one of these to work for you if you can get it for dirt cheap and you're willing to scrounge and put in the time. But if you're comparing this to an A-65, don't. They're apples and oranges. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Sent: Sep 24, 2010 12:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad FYI for the group, this was listed on our local online classifieds. www.ksl.com Go to classifieds, then to recreational vehicles, then to airplanes and scroll down the list and you can see the ad and pics. $800.00 Lycoming 65 HP Motor (disassembled) RIGBY, ID 83442 Hard to find Lycoming 65 HP Motor. Motor is disassembled. Has good crank, etc. Motor was a spare motor for my BL 65 Taylorcraft. Sold aircraft. Dennis 208-745-0109 Brian SLC-UT Cont 0-200


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    Time: 10:50:08 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
    Not an authority for sure but I would say with the rusted crank flange it's toast. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad FYI for the group, this was listed on our local online classifieds. www.ksl.com Go to classifieds, then to recreational vehicles, then to airplanes and scroll down the list and you can see the ad and pics. $800.00 Lycoming 65 HP Motor (disassembled) RIGBY, ID 83442 Hard to find Lycoming 65 HP Motor. Motor is disassembled. Has good crank, etc. Motor was a spare motor for my BL 65 Taylorcraft. Sold aircraft. Dennis 208-745-0109 Brian SLC-UT Cont 0-200


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    Time: 11:55:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: onr more thing.... cables
    From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net>
    With all of this recent talk of wrapped and soldered cable ends and riveted brackets, someone is soon bound to ask for a source of casein glue, Irish linen, nitrocellulose dope and 6-ply hard cardboard for leading edge material. Oh, and also let us not forget about those SF-325 and SF-326 turnbuckles... -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313635#313635


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    Time: 12:01:08 PM PST US
    From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
    Subject: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
    That good info to know....nobody wants a "Boat anchor" on the front of their plane. Brian SLC-UT Cont. 0-200 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad I had one of these (Lycoming O145-B2) in my Cub, which is why my Cub now has a C-90 in it. I paid dearly to fix the mistake of not knowing what I was doing when I bought the Cub and it was almost all because of that @#$%^& motor. I poured a lot of money into nursing that engine along before it blew a head gasket, maybe 10 hours into having it rebuilt, and I gave up on it. Then lots more money to get the C-90 and have it mounted up and signed off (more costly mistakes in choosing an A&P to do the job). The cylinders are cast as part of the case. You don't just replace a jug when one goes poof. According to my A&P at the time, my cylinders were 26 thou over, and the legal limit was 30. Oversized rings were impossible to find, although standard-sized rings were still available (15 years ago). Lycoming rated this 65 hp at 2700 rpm, IIRC. There's no way mine cranked out 65 hp, but then I wasn't turning 2700 rpm (nobody does). Although I never had my engine on a dynamometer, I'm guessing it put out 50-55 hp. On a hot day in Florida, the tall pines on the departure end at Bob Lee's were close enough to provide a lot of extra pucker power. If you're working on an experimental and you're good with engines and machine work, you might be able to get one of these to work for you if you can get it for dirt cheap and you're willing to scrounge and put in the time. But if you're comparing this to an A-65, don't. They're apples and oranges. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Sent: Sep 24, 2010 12:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad FYI for the group, this was listed on our local online classifieds. www.ksl.com Go to classifieds, then to recreational vehicles, then to airplanes and scroll down the list and you can see the ad and pics. $800.00 Lycoming 65 HP Motor (disassembled) RIGBY, ID 83442 Hard to find Lycoming 65 HP Motor. Motor is disassembled. Has good crank, etc. Motor was a spare motor for my BL 65 Taylorcraft. Sold aircraft. Dennis 208-745-0109 Brian SLC-UT Cont 0-200


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    Time: 01:22:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    True, however my wife would love to make a planter out of one, ever since I showed her a picture of that A-65 case half made into a planter next to one of the Broadhead hangers. rick On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:58 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote: > > That good info to know....nobody wants a "Boat anchor" on the front of > their plane. > > Brian > SLC-UT > Cont. 0-200 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:28 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad > > > I had one of these (Lycoming O145-B2) in my Cub, which is why my Cub now > has a C-90 in it. I paid dearly to fix the mistake of not knowing what I was > doing when I bought the Cub and it was almost all because of that @#$%^& > motor. I poured a lot of money into nursing that engine along before it blew > a head gasket, maybe 10 hours into having it rebuilt, and I gave up on it. > Then lots more money to get the C-90 and have it mounted up and signed off > (more costly mistakes in choosing an A&P to do the job). > > The cylinders are cast as part of the case. You don't just replace a jug > when one goes poof. According to my A&P at the time, my cylinders were 26 > thou over, and the legal limit was 30. Oversized rings were impossible to > find, although standard-sized rings were still available (15 years ago). > > Lycoming rated this 65 hp at 2700 rpm, IIRC. There's no way mine cranked > out 65 hp, but then I wasn't turning 2700 rpm (nobody does). Although I > never had my engine on a dynamometer, I'm guessing it put out 50-55 hp. On a > hot day in Florida, the tall pines on the departure end at Bob Lee's were > close enough to provide a lot of extra pucker power. > > If you're working on an experimental and you're good with engines and > machine work, you might be able to get one of these to work for you if you > can get it for dirt cheap and you're willing to scrounge and put in the > time. But if you're comparing this to an A-65, don't. They're apples and > oranges. > > Jim Ash > > > -----Original Message----- > From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com > Sent: Sep 24, 2010 12:45 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad > > > FYI for the group, this was listed on our local online classifieds. > > www.ksl.com > > Go to classifieds, then to recreational vehicles, then to airplanes and > scroll down the list and you can see the ad and pics. > > > $800.00 > Lycoming 65 HP Motor (disassembled) > RIGBY, ID 83442 > Hard to find Lycoming 65 HP Motor. Motor is disassembled. Has good crank, > etc. Motor was a spare motor for my BL 65 Taylorcraft. Sold aircraft. > > Dennis 208-745-0109 > > > Brian > SLC-UT > Cont 0-200 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 01:25:11 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: cables
    Holy crap!! At today's prices one would spend more money on turnbuckles than I spent on the whole plane!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:10 AM Subject: Re: onr more thing.... Pietenpol-List: cables Have to give a lot of credit to Chet Peek (Pietenpol Story author) and others like this guy who have restored Jennys and other aircraft like them to original specs. I think there are 300 turnbuckles on a Jenny so that's around 600 of those soldered cable ends to make. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote: Excellent wire wrapping/soldering reference article: http://curtissjennyrestoration.blogspot.com/2007/12/wire-wrapping-and-solder ing.html -----Original Message----- From: jeff wilson Sent: Sep 24, 2010 8:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables In this context, what is "wrap/solder the terminals"? I just passed the E-LSA repairman certificate but my learning curve is on going. Does anyone have a picture or can you point me towards one? Maybe I'll find it in AC 43.13. Jeff Wilson N899WT --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote: From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables Galvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick, easy, almost zero cost, looks better, and, even better, is original. You can use the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley, which is most of the wires, but you might as well just buy a length of 7x19. Per the plans, I used 3/32 for almost all cables except landing gear, all elevator cables, and cabane, or "roll" wires, which are all 1/8. (not sure what plans say for roll wires, but I went 1/8). Aileron, rudder, and tail brace wires are 3/32. I bought all cable off Ebay. You have to be careful when buying, because what they call "aircraft cable" is not necessarily what it is (although for "stay" cables that do not go around pulleys like tail brace, I cannot find a reason why it should matter) What I bought, very cheaply, had correct mil-spec number on spools. Gene From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for Stainless Steel. Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch throughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with gal. The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same in strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says thats enough to buy her a nice dinner out. Jeff Wilson N899WT St. Louis, MO All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend. Do Not Archive st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigw" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.mat ========= ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 01:26:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Save Big on EAA How-to Books!
    From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net>
    After seeing this post, I decided last week to take advantage of the sale prices and ordered the set of 4 Bingelis books and also the full set of the Flying and Gliding manuals. UPS just dropped them on my doorstep 10 minutes ago. I was going to paint my kitchen ceiling today, but I have a really strong suspicion that's not going to happen right now! :D -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313643#313643


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    Time: 01:38:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: onr more thing.... cables
    From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Since you asked.... http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/277792504/CASEIN_GLUE.html On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Billy McCaskill wrote: > > With all of this recent talk of wrapped and soldered cable ends and riveted brackets, someone is soon bound to ask for a source of casein glue, Irish linen, nitrocellulose dope and 6-ply hard cardboard for leading edge material. Oh, and also let us not forget about those SF-325 and SF-326 turnbuckles... > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Urbana, IL > tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313635#313635 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:48:12 PM PST US
    From: Gary Wilson <garywilson213@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Save Big on EAA How-to Books!
    I ordered mine on Tuesday...Can't wait for them to arrive!!!=0A=0AGary=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Billy McCaski ll <billmz@cox.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, Septemb er 24, 2010 3:24:31 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Save Big on EAA How-t mz@cox.net>=0A=0AAfter seeing this post, I decided last week to take advant age of the sale prices =0Aand ordered the set of 4 Bingelis books and also the full set of the Flying and =0AGliding manuals.- UPS just dropped them on my doorstep 10 minutes ago.- I was =0Agoing to paint my kitchen ceili ng today, but I have a really strong suspicion =0Athat's not going to happe n right now!- :D=0A=0A--------=0ABilly McCaskill=0AUrbana, IL=0Atail sect ion almost done, starting on ribs soon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313643#313643=0A =========================0A ======================0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 08:15:37 PM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: the Brew boys get together was a happening thing
    Well its official, I met Kevin Axel Purtee at Hans's on Thursday evening. Had a great visit hanging out with those guys drinking beer talking airplanes and flying stuff and having the makings of a real authentic guys night out! Had a great time, Thanks for hosting Hans & Karen, good folks good burgers, good beer and a good time had by all.Sure hope Axel got home okay An occasional Shiner is a good thing but multiple Shiners is a great thing. Thanks again guys John Do not archive Less Yawanna


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    Time: 10:37:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: cables
    From: "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
    thanks for all the great feedback, as always :) i think im going to go with stainless though, the extra cost seems to be worth it in this case, although im going to do some weight research and what not as well. One of the reasons im steering away from galvanized is that over the winter i found the Pietenpol with a broken tailwheel steering cable (galvanized) and it really made me think, ok so what do the ones in the wing look like.... they didnt look bad, but enough to make me replace them. A quick history about the plane. It has sat in an open T-hangar, the kind where there is another plane 180 facing 180 degrees on either side. for the last 8 years. Although i'll be storing it in a closed hangar, it makes me think! Now im about to go out and take a rough measurement of just how much I need and add 25%, although will probly end up ordering what i can afford when i can! Thanks again!! AN hardware (short of turn buckles) are in the mail. Corvair is ready to come off. Carb is waiting to be rebuilt. tail feathers ready for cover thanks for all the great feedback and advice!! -------- www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313679#313679


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    Time: 10:44:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: onr more thing.... cables
    From: "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
    hey Billy, whats wrong with the cardboard leading edge? I just got done pulling that off of my wing! and it originally came in at 662 pounds with a corvair, so im hoping to shave a few extra pounds off where i can! -------- www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313680#313680




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