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1. 03:53 AM - Re: cables (Greg Cardinal)
2. 04:02 AM - Re: cables (jeff wilson)
3. 05:03 AM - Re: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels (shad bell)
4. 05:04 AM - Re: cables (Ben Charvet)
5. 05:47 AM - Re: cables (Gene Rambo)
6. 05:52 AM - Re: Landing Gear Brackets (chase143(at)aol.com)
7. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Gene Rambo)
8. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Jim Markle)
9. 06:25 AM - Re: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels (bender)
10. 06:28 AM - Re: Baton Rouge (GliderMike)
11. 06:52 AM - Re: cables (jeff wilson)
12. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Michael Perez)
13. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear Brackets (Michael Perez)
14. 07:42 AM - Re: cables (Jim Markle)
15. 07:42 AM - onr more thing.... cables (Jim Markle)
16. 09:13 AM - Re: onr more thing.... cables (Rick Holland)
17. 09:26 AM - Re: cables (Rick Holland)
18. 09:49 AM - Lycoming 65 Hp ad (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
19. 10:20 AM - Re: cables (Bill Church)
20. 10:45 AM - Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad (Jim Ash)
21. 10:50 AM - Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad (Jack)
22. 11:55 AM - Re: onr more thing.... cables (Billy McCaskill)
23. 12:01 PM - Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
24. 01:22 PM - Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad (Rick Holland)
25. 01:25 PM - Re: onr more thing.... cables (Gary Boothe)
26. 01:26 PM - Re: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! (Billy McCaskill)
27. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: onr more thing.... cables (Kip and Beth Gardner)
28. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! (Gary Wilson)
29. 08:15 PM - the Brew boys get together was a happening thing (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
30. 10:37 PM - Re: cables (VanDy)
31. 10:44 PM - Re: onr more thing.... cables (VanDy)
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NX18235 has 1/8" 1X19 stainless steel on drag and anti-drag, lift strut
bracing and landing gear bracing cables. 3/32" 7X19 stainless steel on
cabane and empennage bracing. 3/32" 7X19 galvanized all control cables.
Using 1/8" cable on the cabane bracing would be a good idea because these
cables take a real beating when taxiing over rough ground.
Greg Cardinal
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From: "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cables
> <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
>
> So i did a couple of searches on here and found what looked like people
> are using both 3/32 and 1/8 stainless steel cables, so my question in what
> is the common that most are using?
> Thanks in advance@@
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> www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
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> almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for Stai
nless Steel.
Why not use Galvanized steel?- I am using all galvanized.- 1/8 inch thr
oughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with g
al.- The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same i
n strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says t
hats enough to buy her a nice dinner out.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis, MO
All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend.
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Subject: | Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels |
Rich, If you, or someone with you-make it down to Lee Bottoms today (frid
ay), and you need dinner use my ticket.- I pre paid for 1 dinner, and pai
d the $5 fee for 1 reservation (2 total reservations).- Pick up the ticke
ts at the pilot registration tent.- I won't make it today, called for wea
ther and it's way to windy.-- Winds aloft, 46kts direct headwind for me
, I would end up in cleveland instead of cincinnati at that rate.- I migh
t try tommorow to get there, I have to check with work to get sunday off.
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Tickets are under the name Shad Bell
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I used galvanized 7x19 throughout. As I remember, all but the tail
bracing is 1/8 inch.
Ben Charvet
On 9/24/2010 7:00 AM, jeff wilson wrote:
> On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for
> Stainless Steel.
> Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch
> throughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper
> ferrules with gal. The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19
> is rated the same in strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot
> cheaper. My wife says thats enough to buy her a nice dinner out.
>
> Jeff Wilson
> N899WT
> St. Louis, MO
> All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend.
>
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Galvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick
=2C easy=2C almost zero cost=2C looks better=2C and=2C even better=2C is or
iginal. You can use the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley
=2C which is most of the wires=2C but you might as well just buy a length o
f 7x19. Per the plans=2C I used 3/32 for almost all cables except landing
gear=2C all elevator cables=2C and cabane=2C or "roll" wires=2C which are a
ll 1/8. (not sure what plans say for roll wires=2C but I went 1/8). Ailer
on=2C rudder=2C and tail brace wires are 3/32. I bought all cable off Ebay.
You have to be careful when buying=2C because what they call "aircraft ca
ble" is not necessarily what it is (although for "stay" cables that do not
go around pulleys like tail brace=2C I cannot find a reason why it should m
atter) What I bought=2C very cheaply=2C had correct mil-spec number on spo
ols.
Gene
From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables
On the subject of cables=2C it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for St
ainless Steel.
Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch through
out. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with gal.
The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same in stre
ngth for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says thats e
nough to buy her a nice dinner out.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis=2C MO
All wood done=2C on gear=2C installing A-65 this weekend.
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Brackets |
Hello Michael,
It takes an air compressor, rivet gun, and bucking bar. If you don't have them,
I would find a friend who does and do it there, it takes 10 mins. Would not recommend
doing by hand.
Rivets are steel, $5.45 1/lb (about 100 rivets), and I think I used 26 (very inexpensive).
I got 1 1/2" and 1 1/4".
R.J. Leahy (http://www.rjleahy.com/Store/rivets/trvr.htm) is a small, very friendly company in CA. The 1 1/4" rivets were on back order, when they came in, they apologized and shipped without charging me. They have my business for life.....
Steve
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Steve
www.mypiet.com
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Brackets |
The rivets=2C per the plans=2C are all steel. There are several places onl
ine to order steel rivets=2C very cheap. I think a box of 50 rivets cost m
e 5.00. If you use the large=2C round-headed rivets which look better and
are more original=2C you have to buy a special rivet head for it=2C from sa
me place as rivets=2C cost about $15. They drive very easily=2C but I alwa
us use a 4X gun which has a large=2C heavy hammer and can go fairly slow.
The light=2C fast "skin guns" that sound like one of those electric gatling
cannons might not do too well on steel rivets.
Gene
> Date: Thu=2C 23 Sep 2010 20:25:29 -0700
> From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
.net>
>
> As I have never done any riveting...what tools are required? Can this typ
e of riveting be done by hand=2C or are machines needed? (of some sort) Are
the rivets steel? I think your brackets look great and with the comment ab
out the bungees being a little better protected=2C I am very interested.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Brackets |
This is great info! Thanks Steve.
The R.J. Leahy linke below also has 22ga wire. That's what's used in the recent
Sport Aviation article on wire wrapping...
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143@aol.com>
>Sent: Sep 24, 2010 7:49 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets
>
>
>Hello Michael,
>It takes an air compressor, rivet gun, and bucking bar. If you don't have them,
I would find a friend who does and do it there, it takes 10 mins. Would not
recommend doing by hand.
>
>Rivets are steel, $5.45 1/lb (about 100 rivets), and I think I used 26 (very inexpensive).
I got 1 1/2" and 1 1/4".
>
>R.J. Leahy (http://www.rjleahy.com/Store/rivets/trvr.htm) is a small, very friendly company in CA. The 1 1/4" rivets were on back order, when they came in, they apologized and shipped without charging me. They have my business for life.....
>
>Steve
>
>--------
>Steve
>www.mypiet.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313577#313577
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Weather for Wood Fabric And Tailwheels |
Looks like i'll be there for the last ride in my cessna 120.. I sold it and will
deliver it tomorrow afternoon, but not until i make that last trip to lee bottom.
Looking forward to inspecting a piet or two and building starts really soon.
Jeff
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Hi Billy,
I'll post something when I get moved into Baton Rouge.
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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In this context, what is "wrap/solder the terminals"? I just passed the E-L
SA repairman certificate but my learning curve is on going. Does anyone hav
e a picture or can you point me towards one? Maybe I'll find it in AC 43.13
.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
--- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables
=0A=0A=0AGalvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which
is quick, easy, almost zero cost, looks better, and, even better, is origin
al.- You can use the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley, wh
ich is most of the wires, but you might as well just buy a length of 7x19.
- Per the plans, I used 3/32 for almost all cables except landing gear, a
ll elevator cables, and cabane, or "roll" wires, which are all 1/8. (not su
re what plans say for roll wires, but I went 1/8).---Aileron, rudder,
and tail brace wires are 3/32.-I bought all cable off Ebay.- You have
to be careful when buying, because what they call "aircraft cable" is not n
ecessarily what it is (although for "stay" cables that do not go around pul
leys like tail brace, I cannot find a reason why it should matter)- What
I bought, very cheaply, had correct mil-spec number on spools.
=0A-
=0AGene
-
=0A=0A=0ADate: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 04:00:02 -0700
From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables
=0A=0A=0A=0AOn the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opt
ing for Stainless Steel.
Why not use Galvanized steel?- I am using all galvanized.- 1/8 inch thr
oughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with g
al.- The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same i
n strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says t
hats enough to buy her a nice dinner out.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis, MO
All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend.
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Brackets |
Sounds like the first thing I need to do is get familiar with the tools/equ
ipment needed.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets
=0A=0A=0AThe rivets, per the plans, are all steel.- There are several pla
ces online to order steel rivets, very cheap.- I think a box of 50 rivets
cost me 5.00.- If you use the large, round-headed rivets which look bett
er and are more original, you have to buy a special rivet head for it, from
same place as rivets, cost about $15.- They drive very easily, but I alw
aus use a 4X gun which has a large, heavy hammer and can go fairly slow.-
-The light, fast "skin guns" that sound like-one of those electric gatl
ing cannons might not do too well on steel rivets.
=0A-
=0AGene
-
=0A> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:25:29 -0700
> From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
.net>
>
> As I have never done any riveting...what tools are required? Can this typ
e of riveting be done by hand, or are machines needed? (of some sort) Are t
he rivets steel? I think your brackets look great and with the comment abou
t the bungees being a little better protected, I am very interested.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com ==============
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Brackets |
Thanks for the answers men. I have a pretty good idea now of what I must learn
and I feel that riveting is the way I will proceed.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Here's a pretty good picture of a wire wrapped fitting. There's also a good article
in a recent Sport Aviation issue, maybe a couple months back....
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff wilson
Sent: Sep 24, 2010 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables
In this context, what is "wrap/solder the terminals"? I just passed the E-LSA repairman
certificate but my learning curve is on going. Does anyone have a picture
or can you point me towards one? Maybe I'll find it in AC 43.13.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
--- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables
Galvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick, easy,
almost zero cost, looks better, and, even better, is original. You can use
the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley, which is most of the wires,
but you might as well just buy a length of 7x19. Per the plans, I used 3/32
for almost all cables except landing gear, all elevator cables, and cabane,
or "roll" wires, which are all 1/8. (not sure what plans say for roll wires,
but I went 1/8). Aileron, rudder, and tail brace wires are 3/32. I bought all
cable off Ebay. You have to be careful when buying, because what they call
"aircraft cable" is not necessarily what it is (although for "stay" cables that
do not go around pulleys like tail brace, I cannot find a reason why it should
matter) What I bought, very cheaply, had correct mil-spec number on spools.
Gene
From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables
On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for Stainless
Steel.
Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch throughout.
1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with gal. The 7x19
gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same in strength for both.
Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says thats enough to buy
her a nice dinner out.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis, MO
All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend.
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Excellent wire wrapping/soldering reference article:
http://curtissjennyrestoration.blogspot.com/2007/12/wire-wrapping-and-soldering.html
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff wilson
Sent: Sep 24, 2010 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables
In this context, what is "wrap/solder the terminals"? I just passed the E-LSA repairman
certificate but my learning curve is on going. Does anyone have a picture
or can you point me towards one? Maybe I'll find it in AC 43.13.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
--- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables
Galvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick, easy,
almost zero cost, looks better, and, even better, is original. You can use
the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley, which is most of the wires,
but you might as well just buy a length of 7x19. Per the plans, I used 3/32
for almost all cables except landing gear, all elevator cables, and cabane,
or "roll" wires, which are all 1/8. (not sure what plans say for roll wires,
but I went 1/8). Aileron, rudder, and tail brace wires are 3/32. I bought all
cable off Ebay. You have to be careful when buying, because what they call
"aircraft cable" is not necessarily what it is (although for "stay" cables that
do not go around pulleys like tail brace, I cannot find a reason why it should
matter) What I bought, very cheaply, had correct mil-spec number on spools.
Gene
From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables
On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for Stainless
Steel.
Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch throughout.
1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with gal. The 7x19
gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same in strength for both.
Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says thats enough to buy
her a nice dinner out.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis, MO
All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend.
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Have to give a lot of credit to Chet Peek (Pietenpol Story author) and
others like this guy who have restored Jennys and other aircraft like them
to original specs. I think there are 300 turnbuckles on a Jenny so that's
around 600 of those soldered cable ends to make.
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>wrote:
> jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> Excellent wire wrapping/soldering reference article:
>
>
> http://curtissjennyrestoration.blogspot.com/2007/12/wire-wrapping-and-soldering.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: jeff wilson
>
> Sent: Sep 24, 2010 8:50 AM
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables
>
>
> In this context, what is "wrap/solder the terminals"? I just passed the
> E-LSA repairman certificate but my learning curve is on going. Does anyone
> have a picture or can you point me towards one? Maybe I'll find it in AC
> 43.13.
>
> Jeff Wilson
> N899WT
>
>
> --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
>
> From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables
> To: "pietenpol-list" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 7:44 AM
>
>
> Galvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick,
> easy, almost zero cost, looks better, and, even better, is original. You
> can use the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley, which is most
> of the wires, but you might as well just buy a length of 7x19. Per the
> plans, I used 3/32 for almost all cables except landing gear, all elevator
> cables, and cabane, or "roll" wires, which are all 1/8. (not sure what plans
> say for roll wires, but I went 1/8). Aileron, rudder, and tail brace wires
> are 3/32. I bought all cable off Ebay. You have to be careful when buying,
> because what they call "aircraft cable" is not necessarily what it is
> (although for "stay" cables that do not go around pulleys like tail brace, I
> cannot find a reason why it should matter) What I bought, very cheaply, had
> correct mil-spec number on spools.
>
>
> Gene
>
>
> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 04:00:02 -0700
> From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for
> Stainless Steel.
> Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch
> throughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with
> gal. The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same in
> strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says
> thats enough to buy her a nice dinner out.
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Should use galvanized cable on any control cable that has to flex around a
pully. Am using stainless on the cabane (3/32") and wing strut cross brace
cables (1/8").
rick
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:55 PM, VanDy <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>wrote:
> matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
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> So i did a couple of searches on here and found what looked like people are
> using both 3/32 and 1/8 stainless steel cables, so my question in what is
> the common that most are using?
> Thanks in advance@@
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Subject: | Lycoming 65 Hp ad |
FYI for the group, this was listed on our local online classifieds.
www.ksl.com
Go to classifieds, then to recreational vehicles, then to airplanes and
scroll down the list and you can see the ad and pics.
$800.00
Lycoming 65 HP Motor (disassembled)
RIGBY, ID 83442
Hard to find Lycoming 65 HP Motor. Motor is disassembled. Has good
crank, etc. Motor was a spare motor for my BL 65 Taylorcraft. Sold
aircraft.
Dennis 208-745-0109
Brian
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Actually, I believe that provided you use actual AIRCRAFT cable (as opposed to
commercial cable), both galvanized and stainless will have the necessary lubrication
to provide better fatigue life required when flexing around pulleys. Without
that lubrication, the cables will be much more likely to fail where they
are repeatedly flexed and unflexed.
Here's a link to Aircraft Spruce's webpage for aircraft cable:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/controlcable.php
As you can see, the stainless cable costs about twice as much as galvanized. The
important thing to note here is that both types of cables are true AIRCRAFT
cable, which have specific and rigorous specifications that must be met. Commercial
cable, which does not have the same rigorous standards, for some reason,
is often called "aircraft cable". I would not use commercial cable in my plane.
All of the cables are there for a specific task (either holding the plane together
or allowing the pilot to control the plane), and should not be an area
where the builder should be looking to save a few bucks. "Should be good enough"
is NOT an appropriate attitude when choosing cables. If purchasing cables
from a non-aviation source, make sure you know what you are buying (like Gene
did).
As for preference between galvanized and stainless, that is up to the individual.
For exposed cables, stainless sure looks nicer - especially after a few years,
although some would argue that galvanized will look more authentic. I believe
Jack Phillips used stainless steel AIRCRAFT cable throughout his award winning
Piet, and it looks really nice (and authentic).
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad |
I had one of these (Lycoming O145-B2) in my Cub, which is why my Cub now has a
C-90 in it. I paid dearly to fix the mistake of not knowing what I was doing when
I bought the Cub and it was almost all because of that @#$%^& motor. I poured
a lot of money into nursing that engine along before it blew a head gasket,
maybe 10 hours into having it rebuilt, and I gave up on it. Then lots more money
to get the C-90 and have it mounted up and signed off (more costly mistakes
in choosing an A&P to do the job).
The cylinders are cast as part of the case. You don't just replace a jug when one
goes poof. According to my A&P at the time, my cylinders were 26 thou over,
and the legal limit was 30. Oversized rings were impossible to find, although
standard-sized rings were still available (15 years ago).
Lycoming rated this 65 hp at 2700 rpm, IIRC. There's no way mine cranked out 65
hp, but then I wasn't turning 2700 rpm (nobody does). Although I never had my
engine on a dynamometer, I'm guessing it put out 50-55 hp. On a hot day in Florida,
the tall pines on the departure end at Bob Lee's were close enough to provide
a lot of extra pucker power.
If you're working on an experimental and you're good with engines and machine work,
you might be able to get one of these to work for you if you can get it for
dirt cheap and you're willing to scrounge and put in the time. But if you're
comparing this to an A-65, don't. They're apples and oranges.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Sep 24, 2010 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
FYI for the group, this was listed on our local online classifieds.
www.ksl.com
Go to classifieds, then to recreational vehicles, then to airplanes and scroll
down the list and you can see the ad and pics.
$800.00
Lycoming 65 HP Motor (disassembled)
RIGBY, ID 83442
Hard to find Lycoming 65 HP Motor. Motor is disassembled. Has good crank, etc.
Motor was a spare motor for my BL 65 Taylorcraft. Sold aircraft.
Dennis 208-745-0109
Brian
SLC-UT
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Subject: | Lycoming 65 Hp ad |
Not an authority for sure but I would say with the rusted crank flange it's
toast.
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
FYI for the group, this was listed on our local online classifieds.
www.ksl.com
Go to classifieds, then to recreational vehicles, then to airplanes and
scroll down the list and you can see the ad and pics.
$800.00
Lycoming 65 HP Motor (disassembled)
RIGBY, ID 83442
Hard to find Lycoming 65 HP Motor. Motor is disassembled. Has good crank,
etc. Motor was a spare motor for my BL 65 Taylorcraft. Sold aircraft.
Dennis 208-745-0109
Brian
SLC-UT
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Subject: | Re: onr more thing.... cables |
With all of this recent talk of wrapped and soldered cable ends and riveted brackets,
someone is soon bound to ask for a source of casein glue, Irish linen,
nitrocellulose dope and 6-ply hard cardboard for leading edge material. Oh, and
also let us not forget about those SF-325 and SF-326 turnbuckles...
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Lycoming 65 Hp ad |
That good info to know....nobody wants a "Boat anchor" on the front of their plane.
Brian
SLC-UT
Cont. 0-200
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
I had one of these (Lycoming O145-B2) in my Cub, which is why my Cub now has a
C-90 in it. I paid dearly to fix the mistake of not knowing what I was doing when
I bought the Cub and it was almost all because of that @#$%^& motor. I poured
a lot of money into nursing that engine along before it blew a head gasket,
maybe 10 hours into having it rebuilt, and I gave up on it. Then lots more money
to get the C-90 and have it mounted up and signed off (more costly mistakes
in choosing an A&P to do the job).
The cylinders are cast as part of the case. You don't just replace a jug when one
goes poof. According to my A&P at the time, my cylinders were 26 thou over,
and the legal limit was 30. Oversized rings were impossible to find, although
standard-sized rings were still available (15 years ago).
Lycoming rated this 65 hp at 2700 rpm, IIRC. There's no way mine cranked out 65
hp, but then I wasn't turning 2700 rpm (nobody does). Although I never had my
engine on a dynamometer, I'm guessing it put out 50-55 hp. On a hot day in Florida,
the tall pines on the departure end at Bob Lee's were close enough to provide
a lot of extra pucker power.
If you're working on an experimental and you're good with engines and machine work,
you might be able to get one of these to work for you if you can get it for
dirt cheap and you're willing to scrounge and put in the time. But if you're
comparing this to an A-65, don't. They're apples and oranges.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Sep 24, 2010 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
FYI for the group, this was listed on our local online classifieds.
www.ksl.com
Go to classifieds, then to recreational vehicles, then to airplanes and scroll
down the list and you can see the ad and pics.
$800.00
Lycoming 65 HP Motor (disassembled)
RIGBY, ID 83442
Hard to find Lycoming 65 HP Motor. Motor is disassembled. Has good crank, etc.
Motor was a spare motor for my BL 65 Taylorcraft. Sold aircraft.
Dennis 208-745-0109
Brian
SLC-UT
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Subject: | Re: Lycoming 65 Hp ad |
True, however my wife would love to make a planter out of one, ever since I
showed her a picture of that A-65 case half made into a planter next to one
of the Broadhead hangers.
rick
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:58 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
>
> That good info to know....nobody wants a "Boat anchor" on the front of
> their plane.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
> Cont. 0-200
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:28 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
>
>
> I had one of these (Lycoming O145-B2) in my Cub, which is why my Cub now
> has a C-90 in it. I paid dearly to fix the mistake of not knowing what I was
> doing when I bought the Cub and it was almost all because of that @#$%^&
> motor. I poured a lot of money into nursing that engine along before it blew
> a head gasket, maybe 10 hours into having it rebuilt, and I gave up on it.
> Then lots more money to get the C-90 and have it mounted up and signed off
> (more costly mistakes in choosing an A&P to do the job).
>
> The cylinders are cast as part of the case. You don't just replace a jug
> when one goes poof. According to my A&P at the time, my cylinders were 26
> thou over, and the legal limit was 30. Oversized rings were impossible to
> find, although standard-sized rings were still available (15 years ago).
>
> Lycoming rated this 65 hp at 2700 rpm, IIRC. There's no way mine cranked
> out 65 hp, but then I wasn't turning 2700 rpm (nobody does). Although I
> never had my engine on a dynamometer, I'm guessing it put out 50-55 hp. On a
> hot day in Florida, the tall pines on the departure end at Bob Lee's were
> close enough to provide a lot of extra pucker power.
>
> If you're working on an experimental and you're good with engines and
> machine work, you might be able to get one of these to work for you if you
> can get it for dirt cheap and you're willing to scrounge and put in the
> time. But if you're comparing this to an A-65, don't. They're apples and
> oranges.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
> Sent: Sep 24, 2010 12:45 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lycoming 65 Hp ad
>
>
> FYI for the group, this was listed on our local online classifieds.
>
> www.ksl.com
>
> Go to classifieds, then to recreational vehicles, then to airplanes and
> scroll down the list and you can see the ad and pics.
>
>
> $800.00
> Lycoming 65 HP Motor (disassembled)
> RIGBY, ID 83442
> Hard to find Lycoming 65 HP Motor. Motor is disassembled. Has good crank,
> etc. Motor was a spare motor for my BL 65 Taylorcraft. Sold aircraft.
>
> Dennis 208-745-0109
>
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
> Cont 0-200
>
>
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Holy crap!! At today's prices one would spend more money on turnbuckles than
I spent on the whole plane!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(20 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: onr more thing.... Pietenpol-List: cables
Have to give a lot of credit to Chet Peek (Pietenpol Story author) and
others like this guy who have restored Jennys and other aircraft like them
to original specs. I think there are 300 turnbuckles on a Jenny so that's
around 600 of those soldered cable ends to make.
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Excellent wire wrapping/soldering reference article:
http://curtissjennyrestoration.blogspot.com/2007/12/wire-wrapping-and-solder
ing.html
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff wilson
Sent: Sep 24, 2010 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables
In this context, what is "wrap/solder the terminals"? I just passed the
E-LSA repairman certificate but my learning curve is on going. Does anyone
have a picture or can you point me towards one? Maybe I'll find it in AC
43.13.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
--- On Fri, 9/24/10, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables
Galvanized is cheaper and you can wrap/solder the terminals which is quick,
easy, almost zero cost, looks better, and, even better, is original. You
can use the 1x19 for anywhere it does not go around a pulley, which is most
of the wires, but you might as well just buy a length of 7x19. Per the
plans, I used 3/32 for almost all cables except landing gear, all elevator
cables, and cabane, or "roll" wires, which are all 1/8. (not sure what plans
say for roll wires, but I went 1/8). Aileron, rudder, and tail brace wires
are 3/32. I bought all cable off Ebay. You have to be careful when buying,
because what they call "aircraft cable" is not necessarily what it is
(although for "stay" cables that do not go around pulleys like tail brace, I
cannot find a reason why it should matter) What I bought, very cheaply, had
correct mil-spec number on spools.
Gene
From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables
On the subject of cables, it sounds like a lot of folks are opting for
Stainless Steel.
Why not use Galvanized steel? I am using all galvanized. 1/8 inch
throughout. 1x19 for bracing and 7x19 for controls. Use copper ferrules with
gal. The 7x19 gal. is a little stronger than ss. 1x19 is rated the same in
strength for both. Galvanized is .30 cents a foot cheaper. My wife says
thats enough to buy her a nice dinner out.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
St. Louis, MO
All wood done, on gear, installing A-65 this weekend.
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Subject: | Re: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! |
After seeing this post, I decided last week to take advantage of the sale prices
and ordered the set of 4 Bingelis books and also the full set of the Flying
and Gliding manuals. UPS just dropped them on my doorstep 10 minutes ago. I
was going to paint my kitchen ceiling today, but I have a really strong suspicion
that's not going to happen right now! :D
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Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: onr more thing.... cables |
Since you asked....
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/277792504/CASEIN_GLUE.html
On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Billy McCaskill wrote:
>
> With all of this recent talk of wrapped and soldered cable ends and riveted brackets,
someone is soon bound to ask for a source of casein glue, Irish linen,
nitrocellulose dope and 6-ply hard cardboard for leading edge material. Oh,
and also let us not forget about those SF-325 and SF-326 turnbuckles...
>
> --------
> Billy McCaskill
> Urbana, IL
> tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313635#313635
>
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Subject: | Re: Save Big on EAA How-to Books! |
I ordered mine on Tuesday...Can't wait for them to arrive!!!=0A=0AGary=0ADo
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age of the sale prices =0Aand ordered the set of 4 Bingelis books and also
the full set of the Flying and =0AGliding manuals.- UPS just dropped them
on my doorstep 10 minutes ago.- I was =0Agoing to paint my kitchen ceili
ng today, but I have a really strong suspicion =0Athat's not going to happe
n right now!- :D=0A=0A--------=0ABilly McCaskill=0AUrbana, IL=0Atail sect
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Subject: | the Brew boys get together was a happening thing |
Well its official, I met Kevin Axel Purtee at Hans's on Thursday evening.
Had a great visit hanging out with those guys drinking beer talking
airplanes and flying stuff and having the makings of a real authentic guys night
out!
Had a great time, Thanks for hosting Hans & Karen, good folks good
burgers, good beer and a good time had by all.Sure hope Axel got home okay
An occasional Shiner is a good thing but multiple Shiners is a great thing.
Thanks again guys
John
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thanks for all the great feedback, as always :) i think im going to go with stainless
though, the extra cost seems to be worth it in this case, although im going
to do some weight research and what not as well.
One of the reasons im steering away from galvanized is that over the winter i found
the Pietenpol with a broken tailwheel steering cable (galvanized) and it
really made me think, ok so what do the ones in the wing look like.... they didnt
look bad, but enough to make me replace them. A quick history about the
plane. It has sat in an open T-hangar, the kind where there is another plane
180 facing 180 degrees on either side. for the last 8 years. Although i'll be
storing it in a closed hangar, it makes me think!
Now im about to go out and take a rough measurement of just how much I need and
add 25%, although will probly end up ordering what i can afford when i can!
Thanks again!!
AN hardware (short of turn buckles) are in the mail.
Corvair is ready to come off.
Carb is waiting to be rebuilt.
tail feathers ready for cover
thanks for all the great feedback and advice!!
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www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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Subject: | Re: onr more thing.... cables |
hey Billy, whats wrong with the cardboard leading edge? I just got done pulling
that off of my wing! and it originally came in at 662 pounds with a corvair,
so im hoping to shave a few extra pounds off where i can!
--------
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almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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