---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/25/10: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:32 AM - Re: Re: cables (Jack) 2. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: cables (Greg Cardinal) 3. 05:19 AM - Re: Landing Gear Brackets (skellytown flyer) 4. 05:21 AM - Re: cables (Gene Rambo) 5. 07:29 AM - Re: cables (TriScout) 6. 09:38 AM - Re: onr more thing.... cables (Billy McCaskill) 7. 11:17 AM - Fuel cap vent (Jack) 8. 12:25 PM - Re: Fuel cap vent (gboothe5@comcast.net) 9. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: cables (Doug Dever) 10. 01:06 PM - Re: cables (Dan Yocum) 11. 01:15 PM - Re: Fuel cap vent (Dale Johnson) 12. 03:14 PM - 0-235 info (carson) 13. 03:26 PM - Re: cables (Gene Rambo) 14. 04:11 PM - Re: Fuel cap vent (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 05:10 PM - Re: Fuel cap vent (Rick Holland) 16. 06:15 PM - Fuselage question (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 17. 06:21 PM - Re: 0-235 info (Jerry Dotson) 18. 06:42 PM - Re: Fuselage question (Chris) 19. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: 0-235 info (Clif Dawson) 20. 07:56 PM - Corvair Engine (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 21. 08:02 PM - Re: cables (Clif Dawson) 22. 08:10 PM - Westcoastpiet Website (Chris) 23. 08:20 PM - Re: Fuselage question (K5YAC) 24. 08:36 PM - Re: Fuselage question (K5YAC) 25. 08:47 PM - Re: Fuselage question (Ben Charvet) 26. 09:02 PM - Re: 0-235 info (carson) 27. 11:00 PM - Re: Re: 0-235 info (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:43 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables Van, Tried your site and it's a bad link. Have you got it going yet? Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of VanDy Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables thanks for all the great feedback, as always :) i think im going to go with stainless though, the extra cost seems to be worth it in this case, although im going to do some weight research and what not as well. One of the reasons im steering away from galvanized is that over the winter i found the Pietenpol with a broken tailwheel steering cable (galvanized) and it really made me think, ok so what do the ones in the wing look like.... they didnt look bad, but enough to make me replace them. A quick history about the plane. It has sat in an open T-hangar, the kind where there is another plane 180 facing 180 degrees on either side. for the last 8 years. Although i'll be storing it in a closed hangar, it makes me think! Now im about to go out and take a rough measurement of just how much I need and add 25%, although will probly end up ordering what i can afford when i can! Thanks again!! AN hardware (short of turn buckles) are in the mail. Corvair is ready to come off. Carb is waiting to be rebuilt. tail feathers ready for cover thanks for all the great feedback and advice!! -------- www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313679#313679 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:14 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables Try this link... http://www.vansaviation.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "VanDy" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables > > > thanks for all the great feedback, as always :) i think im going to go > with stainless though, the extra cost seems to be worth it in this case, > although im going to do some weight research and what not as well. > > One of the reasons im steering away from galvanized is that over the > winter i found the Pietenpol with a broken tailwheel steering cable > (galvanized) and it really made me think, ok so what do the ones in the > wing look like.... they didnt look bad, but enough to make me replace > them. A quick history about the plane. It has sat in an open T-hangar, > the kind where there is another plane 180 facing 180 degrees on either > side. for the last 8 years. Although i'll be storing it in a closed > hangar, it makes me think! > > Now im about to go out and take a rough measurement of just how much I > need and add 25%, although will probly end up ordering what i can afford > when i can! > > Thanks again!! > AN hardware (short of turn buckles) are in the mail. > Corvair is ready to come off. > Carb is waiting to be rebuilt. > tail feathers ready for cover > > thanks for all the great feedback and advice!! > > -------- > www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! > > almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313679#313679 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear Brackets From: "skellytown flyer" Well I haven't worked with Iron rivets in a long time but as a kid I set many of them with a Ball Peen hammer.of course they were going through steel sickle bars holding the cutters on but i seems to me like as long as you have an anvil to set the head against the method should work about the same.it didn't take long to do one,the only think I can think of that might be a problem is what keeps the rivet from trying to swell inside the wood and split it? I never tried to rivet something like that but I would think if you don't have the equipment described it would be easy to make up a sample piece and just give the hammer method a try. it is pretty easy with practice to work around the end of the rivet with the round head and make a good shop head. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313688#313688 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:38 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables what does going around a pulley have to do with galvanized vs stainless??? Gene do not archive Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables From: at7000ft@gmail.com Should use galvanized cable on any control cable that has to flex around a pully. Am using stainless on the cabane (3/32") and wing strut cross brace cables (1/8"). rick On Thu=2C Sep 23=2C 2010 at 10:55 PM=2C VanDy wrote: > So i did a couple of searches on here and found what looked like people are using both 3/32 and 1/8 stainless steel cables=2C so my question in what i s the common that most are using? Thanks in advance@@ -------- www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! almost dissasembled=2C getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313554#313554 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables From: "TriScout" That reminds me. It finally dawned on me that the GN-1 that I bought is the only one I've ever seen w/out the cross bracing cables that crisscross between the wing struts. The fella that I bought it from told me to keep in mind that if a wing drops, or when you level it out after a bank, that it "takes all she got" to get that wing up level again. He put in some quick gap seals on the airlerons using dope/fabric, and said that it helps a little, but he said to just be aware of it when the time comes to fly it. The airframe does have about 480hrs on it, so it IS a proven airframe, but I am wondering if this lack of cross bracing may be contributing to the wing possibly warping slightly with aileron use, etc.. also, before the last person bought it and rebuilt it, it was in a mishap back in '02. This, in my mind confirms my theory about the lack of cross bracing. Here's an excerpt of the accident back then: [b]He began the takeoff roll and initiated a normal climb until about 20 feet above ground level (agl) when the airplane suddenly and violently banked to the left. He applied full right rudder and also right aileron input but was not able to recover before the left wing impacted the ground. He then reduced power and the airplane then nosed over and came to rest on a closed runway. Postcrash, he checked the flight controls and stated, "they moved correctly and freely." He also stated that there was no evidence of pre-impact structural failure or malfunction. Any thoughts on this? Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313699#313699 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_132.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: onr more thing.... cables From: "Billy McCaskill" Why did you remove the cardboard leading edge material? Was it deteriortated? If it were plywood, it would probably still be in good shape. Also, I think that the plywood will add more strength to the wing and also probably be a few pounds lighter. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313703#313703 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:51 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel cap vent All, I plan to install a ram vent in my fuel cap, which is galvanized. Looking for the best way to secure the line. Braze solder? Will I need to grind the galvanized coating off? Any help would be great! Go Hawks! Jack DSM Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel cap vent From: gboothe5@comcast.net SSBzb2xkZXJlZCBhIHdhc2hlciB0byBhIGJyYXNzIHR1YmUsIHRoZW4gZXBveGllZCB0byB0aGUg aW5zaWRlIG9mIHRoZSBjYXAuDQoNCkdhcnkgQm9vdGhlDQpTZW50IG9uIHRoZSBTcHJpbnSuIE5v dyBOZXR3b3JrIGZyb20gbXkgQmxhY2tCZXJyea4NCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0t LS0NCkZyb206ICJKYWNrIiA8amFja0B0ZXh0b3JzLmNvbT4NClNlbmRlcjogb3duZXItcGlldGVu cG9sLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCkRhdGU6IFNhdCwgMjUgU2VwIDIwMTAgMTI6 NTg6MDggDQpUbzogPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpSZXBseS1UbzogcGll dGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbVN1YmplY3Q6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBGdWVsIGNh cCB2ZW50DQoNClRoaXMgaXMgYSBtdWx0aS1wYXJ0IG1lc3NhZ2UgaW4gTUlNRSBmb3JtYXQuDQoN Cg= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:15 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables Someone else pipe up here if Im wrong=2C but I have no idea what would keep the wing from twisting around the vertical axis relative to the fuselage. With the configuration of a Piet or a GN-1 and parallel lift struts it wou ld appear to me that you would have to have the cross bracing. Other desig ns get around this of course by the "V" configuration of the lift struts. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables > From: apfelcyber@yahoo.com > Date: Sat=2C 25 Sep 2010 07:27:28 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > That reminds me. It finally dawned on me that the GN-1 that I bought is t he only one I've ever seen w/out the cross bracing cables that crisscross b etween the wing struts. The fella that I bought it from told me to keep in mind that if a wing drops=2C or when you level it out after a bank=2C that it "takes all she got" to get that wing up level again. He put in some quic k gap seals on the airlerons using dope/fabric=2C and said that it helps a little=2C but he said to just be aware of it when the time comes to fly it. The airframe does have about 480hrs on it=2C so it IS a proven airframe=2C but I am wondering if this lack of cross bracing may be contributing to th e wing possibly warping slightly with aileron use=2C etc.. > > also=2C before the last person bought it and rebuilt it=2C it was in a mi shap back in '02. This=2C in my mind confirms my theory about the lack of c ross bracing. Here's an excerpt of the accident back then: > > > [b]He began the takeoff roll and initiated a > normal climb until about 20 feet above ground level (agl) when the airpla ne suddenly and violently > banked to the left. He applied full right rudder and also right aileron i nput but was not able to > recover before the left wing impacted the ground. He then reduced power a nd the airplane then > nosed over and came to rest on a closed runway. Postcrash=2C he checked t he flight controls and > stated=2C "they moved correctly and freely." He also stated that there wa s no evidence of pre-impact > structural failure or malfunction. > > Any thoughts on this? > > Larry > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313699#313699 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_132.jpg > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables From: Dan Yocum Doesn't the zinc coating on the galvanized "lubricate" the cable? -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > what does going around a pulley have to do with galvanized vs stainless??? > > Gene > do not archive > > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:17:36 -0600 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables > From: at7000ft@gmail.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Should use galvanized cable on any control cable that has to flex around a pully. Am using stainless on the cabane (3/32") and wing strut cross brace c ables (1/8"). > > rick > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:55 PM, VanDy wro te: m> > > So i did a couple of searches on here and found what looked like people ar e using both 3/32 and 1/8 stainless steel cables, so my question in what is t he common that most are using? > Thanks in advance@@ > > -------- > www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! > > almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313554#313554 > > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > > st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:22 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel cap vent Jack You can soft solder galvanized coating. If you grind the galvanized coating of you will have to brass braze it. I soft soldered a copper tube to the cap. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Sent: 9/25/2010 1:45:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel cap vent All, I plan to install a ram vent in my fuel cap, which is galvanized. Looking for the best way to secure the line. Braze solder? Will I need to grind the galvanized coating off? Any help would be great! Go Hawks! Jack DSM Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 0-235 info From: "carson" Hi guys Hoping someone can help I have an L2A Lycoming 235 and am not sure if it is a type 1 or 2 dynafocal ring I have searched high and low and think it should be a type 1 but am not sure. Does anyone have the answer? Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313725#313725 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:34 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables no=2C the zinc is for corrosion protection. Aircraft cables are supposedly lubricated internally=2C which might be necessary for going around pulleys . For stays=2C cables that only hold something in position=2C but don't go around pulleys=2C like the tail brace wires and even the rear elevator wir es=2C I don't see why lubricated=2C i.e. "aircraft" cable would be required . Non "aircraft" cable which has the exact same breaking strength as aircr aft cable=2C should be fine for tail brace wires=2C cabane wires=2C wing dr ag/anti-drag wires=2C strut brace wires=2C etc. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables From: yocum137@gmail.com Doesn't the zinc coating on the galvanized "lubricate" the cable? -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Sep 25=2C 2010=2C at 7:14 AM=2C Gene Rambo wrote: what does going around a pulley have to do with galvanized vs stainless??? Gene do not archive Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables From: at7000ft@gmail.com Should use galvanized cable on any control cable that has to flex around a pully. Am using stainless on the cabane (3/32") and wing strut cross brace cables (1/8"). rick On Thu=2C Sep 23=2C 2010 at 10:55 PM=2C VanDy wrote: > So i did a couple of searches on here and found what looked like people are using both 3/32 and 1/8 stainless steel cables=2C so my question in what i s the common that most are using? Thanks in advance@@ -------- www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! almost dissasembled=2C getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313554#313554 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad" st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ========= http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ========= ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel cap vent From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Jack, The fuel cap I used is aluminum, from Wag Aero I think. I fabricated a cur ved aluminum ram-air tube to fit on the top of the cap. I actually epoxied it together. Works well. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Sat, Sep 25, 2010 12:58 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel cap vent All, I plan to install a ram vent in my fuel cap, which is galvanized. Looking for the best way to secure the line. Braze solder? Will I need to grind the galvanized coating off? Any help would be great! Go Hawks! Jack DSM Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel cap vent From: Rick Holland J.B. Weld works too. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, wrote: > Hi Jack, > > The fuel cap I used is aluminum, from Wag Aero I think. I fabricated a > curved aluminum ram-air tube to fit on the top of the cap. I actually > epoxied it together. Works well. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sat, Sep 25, 2010 12:58 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel cap vent > > All, > I plan to install a ram vent in my fuel cap, which is galvanized. Looking > for the best way to secure the line. Braze solder? Will I need to grind > the galvanized coating off? Any help would be great! > Go Hawks! > Jack > DSM > Jack Textor > 29 SW 58th Drive > Des Moines, IA 50312 > www.textors.com > > * > > =================================== > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =================================== > tp://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > * > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:06 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage question Members of the list: - While cutting and piecing together the fuselage, it is my understanding the struts and side braces are to have wedges inserted between them before you glue on the plywood gusset. Question: Do you apply these wedges between al l struts and braces on both the top and bottom of each side? Not sure where these wedge pieces belong and, if they should be included in all areas whe re the struts and bracing come in contact with the longerons. Any advice is much needed advice..... - KMHeide - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-235 info From: "Jerry Dotson" Here is a link to Lycoming's website with an explanation at the very bottom. I copied just that portion of the page. http://www.lycoming.textron.com/engines/series/pdfs/320ci%20Engine%20Insert.pdf -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313732#313732 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a47_168.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:14 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage question There are no wedges on the plans. The only place I added wedges are the cluster where the landing gear/wing strut fitting is bolted on and where the engine mount fittings bolt on. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 6:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage question Members of the list: While cutting and piecing together the fuselage, it is my understanding the struts and side braces are to have wedges inserted between them before you glue on the plywood gusset. Question: Do you apply these wedges between all struts and braces on both the top and bottom of each side? Not sure where these wedge pieces belong and, if they should be included in all areas where the struts and bracing come in contact with the longerons. Any advice is much needed advice..... KMHeide ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:01 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-235 info I think this one is what you want. It's O-235. http://www.lycoming.textron.com/engines/series/pdfs/235ci%20Insert.pdf Interesting to see that they've made your engine with dynafocal mounts. My O-290 has conical. Clif > Here is a link to Lycoming's website with an explanation at the very > bottom. I copied just that portion of the page. > http://www.lycoming.textron.com/engines/series/pdfs/320ci%20Engine%20Insert.pdf > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:34 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Fellow Pieters, - - I met up with an old time friend today for some Corvair talk. Vern is a ret ired GM Factory Corvair engineer and engine specialist for over 30 years! A walking Corvair guru! - Anyhow, here is what $125.00 bucks will get you! You should of heard it run ! He has a barn full of parts! - KMHeide - - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:22 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables It's not the lubrication that's the problem. We all know that a piece of wire will break if it's bent back and forth a number of times. Well, stainless will crystalize and break a lot sooner than non stainless. As the cable moves back and forth over a pulley it is doing the same thing a little bit at a time. The question is, how long before that break will happen? The other question is, how long before your cables, in your location, where your plane will spend the rest of it's days, will rust and need replacement? To me, the former is of greater concern and my plane will live 500 ft from the shoreline of the Salish Sea in the company of forty others, some of which have been there since the fifties. There's also a hundred or so aircraft at Boundary Bay that are within a quarter mile of the same salty waters. All cabled with galvanized and 85% of them have never seen the inside of a hanger. Ask around. I think for a lot of you, strange looks will be the order of the day with the question, " Why do you want to do that? It's not a seaplane is it?" Clif "Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least." ~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Doesn't the zinc coating on the galvanized "lubricate" the cable?-- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." what does going around a pulley have to do with galvanized vs stainless??? Gene ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:16 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Westcoastpiet Website I finally got the website mostly working again. There are some links I need to redo but the majority of it is back. I will have to fix it later because I need to get my ailerons finished before it starts to rain, and the wife's car needs to be back in the garage. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage question From: "K5YAC" Actually, there are wedges mentioned in the plans. The only place I have seen them noticed for the fuse sides are the three in the cockpit area. I glued these in after the gussets were glued in place, but I suppose they could be added at any time. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313743#313743 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuse_186.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage question From: "K5YAC" After reading Chris' note again, I think we are talking about the same wedges. Maybe we are all talking of the same wedges? Not sure. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313744#313744 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:06 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage question The wedges are necessary at the stations where the landing gear bolts on on the bottom of the fuselage. I don't have my plans in front of me, but I believe that is all that is called for. Ben On 9/25/2010 9:12 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: > Members of the list: > While cutting and piecing together the fuselage, it is my > understanding the struts and side braces are to have wedges inserted > between them before you glue on the plywood gusset. Question: Do you > apply these wedges between all struts and braces on both the top and > bottom of each side? Not sure where these wedge pieces belong and, if > they should be included in all areas where the struts and bracing come > in contact with the longerons. > Any advice is much needed advice..... > KMHeide > */ /* > *//* > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-235 info From: "carson" Thanks for the replies but it still doesn't help me to determine if it is a type 1 or 2 I have found this but am not sure if I am reading it correctly If you look at L2A It reads similar to J2A then J2A is similar to J2B that has a type 1 ring. So I read it as the L2A has the type 1 http://150cessna.tripod.com/e-223.pdf I can't get it to work as a link so hope it will work if you cut and paste What do you guys think Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313748#313748 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:23 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-235 info Why not ask Lycoming themselves? Give 'em the serial#. Clif > Thanks for the replies but it still doesn't help me to determine if it is > a type 1 or 2 > What do you guys think > Carson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.