---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/26/10: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:57 AM - Re: 0-235 info (carson) 2. 04:36 AM - Re: Re:wedges (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: cables (Jack Phillips) 4. 06:04 AM - Re: cables (Gene Rambo) 5. 07:06 AM - Re: Corvair Engine (Ken Chambers) 6. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: 0-235 info (amsafetyc@aol.com) 7. 08:45 AM - Re: Fuselage question (Tim Willis) 8. 08:53 AM - Re: Corvair Engine (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 9. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: cables (Doug Dever) 10. 01:43 PM - Re: Corvair Engine (Pieti Lowell) 11. 02:11 PM - Re: Corvair Engine (tdudley@umn.edu) 12. 02:15 PM - Am I a Redneck? (Gary Boothe) 13. 02:53 PM - Those that have, and those that will... (Dan Yocum) 14. 03:59 PM - Re: Am I a Redneck? (Billy McCaskill) 15. 03:59 PM - Re: Corvair Engine (Ken Chambers) 16. 04:35 PM - Re: Westcoastpiet Website (carson) 17. 05:24 PM - Plans and books for sale (GliderMike) 18. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Westcoastpiet Website (Chris) 19. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Westcoastpiet Website (Gary Boothe) 20. 06:04 PM - Re: Am I a Redneck? (Jim Boyer) 21. 06:14 PM - Re: Plans and books for sale (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 22. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Westcoastpiet Website (Harvey Rule) 23. 07:01 PM - Re: Those that have, and those that will... (Dan Yocum) 24. 07:15 PM - Re: cables (TriScout) 25. 07:27 PM - Re: Westcoastpiet Website (Billy McCaskill) 26. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Am I a Redneck? (Rick Holland) 27. 07:59 PM - Re: the Brew boys get together was a happening thing (kevinpurtee) 28. 08:01 PM - Re: Am I a Redneck? (kevinpurtee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-235 info From: "carson" Thanks for the replies but it still doesn't help me to determine if it is a type 1 or 2 I have found this but am not sure if I am reading it correctly If you look at L2A It reads similar to J2A then J2A is similar to J2B that has a type 1 ring. So I read it as the L2A has the type 1 http://150cessna.tripod.com/e-223.pdf I can't get it to work as a link so hope it will work if you cut and paste What do you guys think Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313757#313757 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:wedges From: helspersew@aol.com wedges?..... wedges?...... We don't need no stinking wedges!!!! do not archive -----Original Message----- From: K5YAC Sent: Sat, Sep 25, 2010 10:33 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage question After reading Chris' note again, I think we are talking about the same wed ges. aybe we are all talking of the same wedges? Not sure. -------- ark Chouinard ings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313744#313744 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:53 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables That's what the flying wires between the lift struts are for. Between them and the roll wires on the cabanes, the wing manages to keep itself aligned with the fuselage. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Dever Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:44 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables Someone else pipe up here if Im wrong, but I have no idea what would keep the wing from twisting around the vertical axis relative to the fuselage. With the configuration of a Piet or a GN-1 and parallel lift struts it would appear to me that you would have to have the cross bracing. Other designs get around this of course by the "V" configuration of the lift struts. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables > From: apfelcyber@yahoo.com > Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:27:28 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > That reminds me. It finally dawned on me that the GN-1 that I bought is the only one I've ever seen w/out the cross bracing cables that crisscross between the wing struts. The fella that I bought it from told me to keep in mind that if a wing drops, or when you level it out after a bank, that it "takes all she got" to get that wing up level again. He put in some quick gap seals on the airlerons using dope/fabric, and said that it helps a little, but he said to just be aware of it when the time comes to fly it. The airframe does have about 480hrs on it, so it IS a proven airframe, but I am wondering if this lack of cross bracing may be contributing to the wing possibly warping slightly with aileron use, etc.. > > also, before the last person bought it and rebuilt it, it was in a mishap back in '02. This, in my mind confirms my theory about the lack of cross bracing. Here's an excerpt of the accident back then: > > > [b]He began the takeoff roll and initiated a > normal climb until about 20 feet above ground level (agl) when the airplane suddenly and violently > banked to the left. He applied full right rudder and also right aileron input but was not able to > recover before the left wing impacted the ground. He then reduced power and the airplane then > nosed over and came to rest on a closed runway. Postcrash, he checked the flight controls and > stated, "they moved correctly and freely." He also stated that there was no evidence of pre-impact > structural failure or malfunction. > > Any thoughts on this? > > Larry > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313699#313699 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_132.jpg > > >================= > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:08 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cables stainless steel cables have been the standard for aircraft construction sin ce the 1940's=2C and every single production plane in the world that I know of uses stainless cable. I didn't use it because I wanted to wrap/solder my connections=2C but there is absolutely nothing wring with stainless goin g around pulleys=2C period. If I lived near salt water=2C there is no ques tion but that i would use sgtainless=2C though. Gene From: CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cables It's not the lubrication that's the problem. We all know that a piece of wire will break if it's bent back and forth a number of times. Well=2C stainless will crystalize and break a lot sooner than non stainless. As the cable moves back and forth over a pulley it is doing the same thing a little bit at a time. The question is=2C how long before that break will happen? The other question is=2C how long before your cables=2C in your location=2C where your plane will spend the rest of it's days=2C will rust and need replacement? To me=2C the former is of greater concern and my plane will live 500 ft from the shoreline of the Salish Sea in the company of forty others=2C some of which have been there since the fifties. There's also a hundred or so aircraft at Boundary Bay that are within a quarter mile of the same salty waters. All cabled with galvanized and 85% of them have never seen the inside of a hanger. Ask around. I think for a lot of you=2C strange looks will be the order of the day with the question=2C " Why do you want to do that? It's not a seaplane is it?" Clif "Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least." ~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Doesn't the zinc coating on the galvanized "lubricate" the cable?-- Dan Yoc um yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." what does going around a pulley have to do with galvanized vs stainless??? Gene ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine From: Ken Chambers Wow! Where's Vern located? On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:54 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: > Fellow Pieters, > > > I met up with an old time friend today for some Corvair talk. Vern is a > retired GM Factory Corvair engineer and engine specialist for over 30 years! > A walking Corvair guru! > > Anyhow, here is what $125.00 bucks will get you! You should of heard it > run! He has a barn full of parts! > > KMHeide > > > * > * > ** > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:24 AM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-235 info I have the c1b engine and have spoken to lycoming about other issues and found them very helpful. I would suggest you do the same. No sense going with questionable information when the experts are just a phone call away John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: carson Sent: Sun, Sep 26, 2010 08:58:24 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 0-235 info Thanks for the replies but it still doesn't help me to determine if it is a type 1 or 2 I have found this but am not sure if I am reading it correctly If you look at L2A It reads similar to J2A then J2A is similar to J2B that has a type 1 ring. So I read it as the L2A has the type 1 http://150cessna.tripod.com/e-223.pdf I can't get it to work as a link so hope it will work if you cut and paste What do you guys think Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313757#313757 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:03 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage question Ken, I believe there are wedges at major stress points... the first 3 verticals: -- the firewall, likely at both upper and lower longerons; -- the lower longeron at front main LG attach point; -- the lower longeron at rear main LG attach point. I have also added wedges at one other spot-- where I attach: a) the pivots for the tailwheel assy.(steel angle pivots are outside and under the lower longeron) and b) fittings attaching cables that run to the pilot seatbelt and pilot shoulder harness (steel strip fittings inside the lower longeron). Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Sep 25, 2010 8:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage question Members of the list: While cutting and piecing together the fuselage, it is my understanding the struts and side braces are to have wedges inserted between them before you glue on the plywood gusset. Question: Do you apply these wedges between all struts and braces on both the top and bottom of each side? Not sure where these wedge pieces belong and, if they should be included in all areas where the struts and bracing come in contact with the longerons. Any advice is much needed advice..... KMHeide ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:10 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Vern is located in Detroit Lakes, MN. I can get his number if you like. - KMHeide - --- On Sun, 9/26/10, Ken Chambers wrote: From: Ken Chambers Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Wow! Where's Vern located? On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:54 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: Fellow Pieters, - - I met up with an old time friend today for some Corvair talk. Vern is a ret ired GM Factory Corvair engineer and engine specialist for over 30 years! A walking Corvair guru! - Anyhow, here is what $125.00 bucks will get you! You should of heard it run ! He has a barn full of parts! - KMHeide - - -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:46 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables That was my point to the person who bought a GN-1 without the lift strut wi res. I wouldn't even think about getting in one without them. I'm amazed it has 40hrs on it. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables That=92s what the flying wires between the lift struts are for. Between th em and the roll wires on the cabanes=2C the wing manages to keep itself ali gned with the fuselage. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh=2C NC From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Dever Sent: Saturday=2C September 25=2C 2010 3:44 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables Someone else pipe up here if Im wrong=2C but I have no idea what would keep the wing from twisting around the vertical axis relative to the fuselage. With the configuration of a Piet or a GN-1 and parallel lift struts it wou ld appear to me that you would have to have the cross bracing. Other desig ns get around this of course by the "V" configuration of the lift struts. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables > From: apfelcyber@yahoo.com > Date: Sat=2C 25 Sep 2010 07:27:28 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > That reminds me. It finally dawned on me that the GN-1 that I bought is t he only one I've ever seen w/out the cross bracing cables that crisscross b etween the wing struts. The fella that I bought it from told me to keep in mind that if a wing drops=2C or when you level it out after a bank=2C that it "takes all she got" to get that wing up level again. He put in some quic k gap seals on the airlerons using dope/fabric=2C and said that it helps a little=2C but he said to just be aware of it when the time comes to fly it. The airframe does have about 480hrs on it=2C so it IS a proven airframe=2C but I am wondering if this lack of cross bracing may be contributing to th e wing possibly warping slightly with aileron use=2C etc.. > > also=2C before the last person bought it and rebuilt it=2C it was in a mi shap back in '02. This=2C in my mind confirms my theory about the lack of c ross bracing. Here's an excerpt of the accident back then: > > > [b]He began the takeoff roll and initiated a > normal climb until about 20 feet above ground level (agl) when the airpla ne suddenly and violently > banked to the left. He applied full right rudder and also right aileron i nput but was not able to > recover before the left wing impacted the ground. He then reduced power a nd the airplane then > nosed over and came to rest on a closed runway. Postcrash=2C he checked t he flight controls and > stated=2C "they moved correctly and freely." He also stated that there wa s no evidence of pre-impact > structural failure or malfunction. > > Any thoughts on this? > > Larry > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313699#313699 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_132.jpg > > >================= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronic s.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine From: "Pieti Lowell" Has anyone seen or thought about the Turbo Corvair Engine, I had one that I used in a swamp buggy, It had low compression cylinders , could use standard fuel until I used the Turbo and had to use hi octane fuel to prevent knocking,She sure cranked out HP. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313794#313794 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine From: "tdudley@umn.edu" KM, I'm in Alexandria, MN and would be interested in maybe meeting with both you and Vern. I'm early in my build (started building ribs a week ago and have five done) but I'm interested in the Corvair engine. Let me know. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313797#313797 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:45 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Am I a Redneck? List, They say that if you have an engine hanging from a tree, you're a redneck. How about if you have an engine hanging from a beam in your garage? The attached picture is just before I loaded my engine back in my truck for next weekend's CC #18, in Livermore, CA. With any luck, I'll run that engine on a test stand, with William Wynne's supervision! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Those that have, and those that will... From: Dan Yocum ...get leaks in their fiberglass fuel tank. What did you think I was talking about? ;-) Word to the wise, make your fuel tank as accessible as possible. Looks like I'll have to cut into my center section blind to find out what's going in there. Humph. And leaves haven't even changed colors, yet. I might have to steal Ryan and Jess's Piet if I want to seem them, this year. -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Am I a Redneck? From: "Billy McCaskill" Since I don't see a tree in the picture, or a rusty old F-100 up on cement blocks I think you are safe from the redneck label. Good luck at the Corvair College next week, I'm sure you will let us all know how that turned out. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313806#313806 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine From: Ken Chambers Thanks. but I'm in Texas, so that makes him quite a hike. See if I can find an engine closer. On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:15 AM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote: > Vern is located in Detroit Lakes, MN. I can get his number if you like. > > KMHeide > > * > * > ** > > > --- On *Sun, 9/26/10, Ken Chambers * wrote: > > > From: Ken Chambers > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010, 9:03 AM > > > Wow! > > Where's Vern located? > > > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:54 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP > > wrote: > > Fellow Pieters, > > > I met up with an old time friend today for some Corvair talk. Vern is a > retired GM Factory Corvair engineer and engine specialist for over 30 years! > A walking Corvair guru! > > Anyhow, here is what $125.00 bucks will get you! You should of heard it > run! He has a barn full of parts! > > KMHeide > > > * > * > ** > > > -- > Ken Chambers > 512-796-1798 > > * > > " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com > blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoastpiet Website From: "carson" Chris why do you have a car in your garage that is just wrong Hope you are well mate Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313809#313809 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans and books for sale From: "GliderMike" I have a full set of plans (all the options available for the Pietenpol family) for sale. I paid $260 for them and will take $175, and will include US mail postage on the plans. I've unrolled them three times. I also have the 1929 and 33 Flying Manuals; the 1930, 31, and 32 Flying and Glider Manuals,; the EAA Aircraft Welding book; the HP Books' "Welders Handbook"; all 4 of the Tony Bingelis books; the EAA "How To" Wood Book, the EAA Welding and Corrosion DVD, and the EAA "Basic Aircraft Woodworking" video. I paid $190 for the EAA books, and will take $90 for the lot. I also have William Wynne's Corvair Flight Engines and the FlyCorvair.com Flight Operations Manual. I paid $84 for the two WW books, and will take $45 for the pair. I also have Michael Perez's first 4 videos, I paid $70 (a bargain) for the group, and will take $25 for all four. I have Mike Cuy's video, which Mike sells for $25 (another bargain), and I will take $10 for it. I haven't copied or in any other way duplicated any of these things. I have over-extended myself, and need to part with some things that I won't be able to afford to use for at least 3 years. I would prefer to ship by some method that has tracking capabilities (for your and my protection) , and is reasonable priced, like the US postal 2day flat rate packaging. I think the minimum is about $5.00 including the tracking, and max of $12.00 including the tracking, except for the plans. If anyone is interested in any or all, please call me at eight zero one - eight seven nine - seven one two four. If you buy all of it, I'll take $325 and I'll pay the postage, and I can take credit cards through PayPal. I need expense money to move to Baton Rouge to start a new A&P job, that I've been looking for since I finished school May 4th. If I had had an inkling it was going to be this difficult to get an A&P job, I wouldn't have thought about building an airplane, much less bought all the prep work things. I'm not sure if I would have started school. -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313815#313815 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:09 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoastpiet Website Carson If I don't have a car in the garage when it rains, I wont have warm home made chocolate chip cookies delivered to the garage anymore. And I love chocolate chip cookies. Do not archive Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoastpiet Website --> Chris why do you have a car in your garage that is just wrong Hope you are well mate Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313809#313809 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:21 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoastpiet Website Carson, I suspect that Chris was forced to sign the same affidavit as I. Somehow I didn't get my half (see attached). Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Donot Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoastpiet Website Chris why do you have a car in your garage that is just wrong Hope you are well mate Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313809#313809 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:55 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Am I a Redneck? Gary, I don't think you qualify. Its not hanging from a tree over a pickup up on blocks with a coom dog sleeping under it. And I'll grampa isn't sitting in a rocker with a beer in his hand either. Jim B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:13:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Am I a Redneck? List, They say that if you have an engine hanging from a tree, youre a redneck. How about if you have an engine hanging from a beam in your garage? The attached picture is just before I loaded my engine back in my truck for next weekends CC #18, in Livermore, CA. With any luck, Ill run that engine on a test stand, with William Wynnes supervision! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done,Fuselageon gear (20 ribs down) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:10 PM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Plans and books for sale Mike....give me a call here locally. Brian 801 882 0213 ----- Original Message ----- From: GliderMike [mailto:glidermikeg@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 06:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans and books for sale I have a full set of plans (all the options available for the Pietenpol family) for sale. I paid $260 for them and will take $175, and will include US mail postage on the plans. I've unrolled them three times. I also have the 1929 and 33 Flying Manuals; the 1930, 31, and 32 Flying and Glider Manuals,; the EAA Aircraft Welding book; the HP Books' "Welders Handbook"; all 4 of the Tony Bingelis books; the EAA "How To" Wood Book, the EAA Welding and Corrosion DVD, and the EAA "Basic Aircraft Woodworking" video. I paid $190 for the EAA books, and will take $90 for the lot. I also have William Wynne's Corvair Flight Engines and the FlyCorvair.com Flight Operations Manual. I paid $84 for the two WW books, and will take $45 for the pair. I also have Michael Perez's first 4 videos, I paid $70 (a bargain) for the group, and will take $25 for all four. I have Mike Cuy's video, which Mike sells for $25 (another bargain), and I will take $10 for it. I haven't copied or in any ! other way duplicated any of these things. I have over-extended myself, and need to part with some things that I won't be able to afford to use for at least 3 years. I would prefer to ship by some method that has tracking capabilities (for your and my protection) , and is reasonable priced, like the US postal 2day flat rate packaging. I think the minimum is about $5.00 including the tracking, and max of $12.00 including the tracking, except for the plans. If anyone is interested in any or all, please call me at eight zero one - eight seven nine - seven one two four. If you buy all of it, I'll take $325 and I'll pay the postage, and I can take credit cards through PayPal. I need expense money to move to Baton Rouge to start a new A&P job, that I've been looking for since I finished school May 4th. If I had had an inkling it was going to be this difficult to get an A&P job, I wouldn't have thought about building an airplane, much less bought all the prep work things. ! I'm not sure if I would have started school. -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313815#313815 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:21 PM PST US From: Harvey Rule Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoastpiet Website NOW this just isn't right=3Bwho ever heard of putting a car in a garage? do not archive > From: gboothe5@comcast.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoastpiet Website > Date: Sun=2C 26 Sep 2010 17:13:09 -0700 > > Carson=2C > > I suspect that Chris was forced to sign the same affidavit as I. Somehow I > didn't get my half (see attached). > > Gary Boothe > Cool=2C Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion=2C mounted > Tail done=2C Fuselage on gear > (20 ribs down.) > Donot Archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson > Sent: Sunday=2C September 26=2C 2010 4:22 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoastpiet Website > > > Chris why do you have a car in your garage that is just wrong > Hope you are well mate > Carson > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313809#313809 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Those that have, and those that will... From: Dan Yocum Well, I'm happy to report that the main tank is galvanized, not fiberglass. I'll still have to cut through fiberglass to get to the tank, however. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > ...get leaks in their fiberglass fuel tank. What did you think I was talking about? ;-) > > Word to the wise, make your fuel tank as accessible as possible. Looks like I'll have to cut into my center section blind to find out what's going in there. > > Humph. And leaves haven't even changed colors, yet. I might have to steal Ryan and Jess's Piet if I want to seem them, this year. > > -- > Dan Yocum > yocum137@gmail.com > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables From: "TriScout" No, it has 480hrs on it w/out the strut cables (not 40). Not sure if it ever had cables before, but I suspect this one never had them. The guy that bought it as a project and rebuilt it after the mishap in back in 2000 never put cables on the struts. He only put a couple of hrs on it himself before I bought it..sans engine. He's the one that mentioned if a wing drops, it takes all she got to get her back on an even keel. Now, the original builder could have had them on there, but maybe he didn't (?).. That mishap in 2000 also could have just been a simple stall on climbout if he took off at too low an airspeed. Guess I'll be adding the cables .. Larry N2308C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313833#313833 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Westcoastpiet Website From: "Billy McCaskill" In the Sportplane Builder book, even Tony Bingelis emphatically said that the garage is no place to keep the family car(s)... :) -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313834#313834 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Am I a Redneck? From: Rick Holland You know you are a redneck if you have a car air conditioner like this. On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Billy McCaskill wrote: > > Since I don't see a tree in the picture, or a rusty old F-100 up on cement > blocks I think you are safe from the redneck label. > > Good luck at the Corvair College next week, I'm sure you will let us all > know how that turned out. > > -------- > Billy McCaskill > Urbana, IL > tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313806#313806 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: the Brew boys get together was a happening thing From: "kevinpurtee" It was a pleasure to meet John for the 1st time and to get to spend some more time with Hans and Karen. Thanks to all of them for a really nice evening. Also got to see Hans at the Critter's Lodge fly-in in Centerville, TX this weekend (a wonderful outing). Two Corvair Piets at a small fly-in in central TX. Lots of fun. Photographic evidence of the Brew Boys festivities attached. Axel -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313836#313836 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hans_and_john_475.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/hans_kevin_and_john_209.jpg ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Am I a Redneck? From: "kevinpurtee" Heck, Gary, I'll bite. Yeah, you're a redneck. :D Axel do not archive -------- Kevin Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313837#313837 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.