---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/28/10: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:36 AM - Encoder Installation (Jack) 2. 04:26 AM - Corvair for building (Dave Sornborger) 3. 04:41 AM - Re: More mag problems (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 04:57 AM - Re: Encoder Installation (Jack Phillips) 5. 05:23 AM - Re: More mag problems (bender) 6. 05:24 AM - Shad flying back home... (Jim Markle) 7. 05:39 AM - Re: Shad flying back home... (bender) 8. 05:44 AM - Re: Encoder Installation (jeff wilson) 9. 06:07 AM - Re: Encoder Installation (Jack Phillips) 10. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: More mag problems (Gene Rambo) 11. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: cables (Skip Gadd) 12. 07:45 AM - Re: Startin' My Ribs- Tucker (Jack Phillips) 13. 07:55 AM - Re: Startin' My Ribs- Tucker (Kenneth Howe) 14. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: cables (Kip and Beth Gardner) 15. 08:32 AM - Re: cables (TriScout) 16. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: cables (Skip Gadd) 17. 09:40 AM - Re: Corvair Engine (Bill Church) 18. 12:43 PM - Re: Shad flying back home... (Jim Boyer) 19. 01:13 PM - Re: Shad flying back home... (Jim Markle) 20. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Corvair Engine (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 21. 03:44 PM - Re: Shad flying back home... (Jim Boyer) 22. 05:08 PM - Re: Encoder Installation (jeff wilson) 23. 05:58 PM - Re: cables (Dangerous Dave) 24. 08:03 PM - Re: cables (coxwelljon) 25. 08:13 PM - Re: cables (coxwelljon) 26. 09:16 PM - turnbuckles & blasting cabinet. (coxwelljon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:34 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Encoder Installation Was wondering where others located their encoders. Close to transponder, or static source? My Trans-Cal manual says it should be as close as possible to the altimeter. Since I'm mounting my transponder in the center section, I would rather run the static line down through the struts rather than the large wire bundle. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:57 AM PST US From: "Dave Sornborger" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair for building Howdy,I have a Corvair engine stripped for building.Went with an O-235 Correct # block,heads,crank,all parts required to keep according to WW manual,also new unused and unregistered WW conversion manual.Email me if interested.Can send pictures.69 block and cyls-68 heads all parts look to be in good shape.Dave ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More mag problems From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Shad, No, the engine did not overheat. The crank drive mag seems to be turning fine, but the one driven from the cam gear is not. If the cam gear fell apart then the camshaft would stop turning. I don't think it was that or the engine would have not run at all. Still haven't looked at it. I won't have time to look at it for about 2 weeks. I'll report in when I find out . Thanks for the encouragement. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:21 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More mag problems Dan, did the engine overheat? If both mags quit turning, the drive gear (for the mags)might have come apart. Check the whole thing over really good, and when you get it fixed, fly it over your home airfield for 5-10 hrs to verify it is fixed. Our engine problems got us right when we wer e done with our 40 hr test phase (about 59 hrs to be exact). Stick with it, You'll get it figured out. Remember these are experimental aircraft, it is a learning experiance, so try to enjoy the whole project (even the down times). If I make brodhead next year, I am certain I will see your piet there, Shad ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:08 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Encoder Installation I put mine right next to the transponder, in the centersection Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Encoder Installation Was wondering where others located their encoders. Close to transponder, or static source? My Trans-Cal manual says it should be as close as possible to the altimeter. Since I'm mounting my transponder in the center section, I would rather run the static line down through the struts rather than the large wire bundle. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More mag problems From: "bender" So the only "PMA" "aircraft" parts are the ones giving you problems ?? Sorry Dan...... were the mags new? I would have thought one mag would have done OK Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313976#313976 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:53 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shad flying back home... Neat picture of a REAL airplane departing from Lee Bottom... http://web.me.com/shelbysmith/EAA_162/Lee_Bottom_2010.html#81 There are some other good pictures on that website of the Bell's Air Camper... Very nice....I am really jealous! jm ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shad flying back home... From: "bender" Hey Shad.. it looked great I was the long hair that was all over your plane when you landed... wanted to say hello but you were surrounded pretty quick... i noticed you on the upwind leg.. recognized the piet and watched for you to park. I was in my 120..from lee bottom i took it to danville KY to its new home. I start building in the next few weeks. If you've never been to Lee Bottom you are missing a great fly in jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313979#313979 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:55 AM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Encoder Installation RW5jb2Rlcj8gVHJhbnNwb25kZXI/IExhcmdlIHdpcmUgYnVuZGxlPyBXaGF0IGFyZSB0aG9zZT8N Ck9oLCBJIG11c3QgYmUgb24gdGhlIHdyb25nIGZvcnVtLiBJJ20gYnVpbGRpbmcgYSBQaWV0ZW5w b2wuDQpKZWZmIFdpbHNvbiANCk44OTlXVA0KDQpEbyBOb3QgQXJjaGl2ZQoKLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5h bCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0KRnJvbTogSmFjayBQaGlsbGlwcyA8cGlldGZseXJAYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5l dD4NClNlbnQ6IFR1ZXNkYXksIFNlcHRlbWJlciAyOCwgMjAxMCA2OjU0IEFNDQpUbzogcGlldGVu cG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KU3ViamVjdDogUkU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBFbmNv ZGVyIEluc3RhbGxhdGlvbg0KDQpJIHB1dCBtaW5lIHJpZ2h0IG5leHQgdG8gdGhlIHRyYW5zcG9u ZGVyLCBpbiB0aGUgY2VudGVyc2VjdGlvbg0KoA0KSmFjayBQaGlsbGlwcw0KTlg4OTlKUA0KUmFs ZWlnaCwgTkMNCqANCiANCkZyb206IG93bmVyLXBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25p Y3MuY29tIFttYWlsdG86b3duZXItcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb21d IE9uIEJlaGFsZiBPZiBKYWNrDQogU2VudDogVHVlc2RheSwgU2VwdGVtYmVyIDI4LCAyMDEwIDY6 MjcgQU0NCiBUbzogcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KIFN1YmplY3Q6IFBpZXRl bnBvbC1MaXN0OiBFbmNvZGVyIEluc3RhbGxhdGlvbg0KoA0KV2FzIHdvbmRlcmluZyB3aGVyZSBv dGhlcnMgbG9jYXRlZCB0aGVpciBlbmNvZGVycy6gIENsb3NlIHRvIHRyYW5zcG9uZGVyLCBvciBz dGF0aWMgc291cmNlP6AgTXkgVHJhbnMtQ2FsIG1hbnVhbCBzYXlzIGl0IHNob3VsZCBiZSBhcyBj bG9zZSBhcyBwb3NzaWJsZSB0byB0aGUgYWx0aW1ldGVyLqAgU2luY2UgSZJtIG1vdW50aW5nIG15 IHRyYW5zcG9uZGVyIGluIHRoZSBjZW50ZXIgc2VjdGlvbiwgSSB3b3VsZCByYXRoZXIgcnVuIHRo ZSBzdGF0aWMgbGluZSBkb3duIHRocm91Z2ggdGhlIHN0cnV0cyByYXRoZXIgdGhhbiB0aGUgbGFy Z2Ugd2lyZSBidW5kbGUuoCBBbnkgdGhvdWdodHM/DQpUaGFua3MsDQpKYWNrDQpEU00NCqANCqAN Cmh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/UGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3QNCmh0dHA6 Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1 dGlvbg0KoA0KCgpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgLSBUaGUgUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3QgRW1haWwg Rm9ydW0gLQpfLT0gVXNlIHRoZSBNYXRyb25pY3MgTGlzdCBGZWF0dXJlcyBOYXZpZ2F0b3IgdG8g YnJvd3NlCl8tPSB0aGUgbWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxpdGllcyBzdWNoIGFzIExpc3QgVW4vU3Vic2Ny aXB0aW9uLApfLT0gQXJjaGl2ZSBTZWFyY2ggJiBEb3dubG9hZCwgNy1EYXkgQnJvd3NlLCBDaGF0 LCBGQVEsCl8tPSBQaG90b3NoYXJlLCBhbmQgbXVjaCBtdWNoIG1vcmU6Cl8tPQpfLT0gICAtLT4g aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9QaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdApfLT0KXy09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBNQVRST05JQ1MgV0VCIEZPUlVNUyAtCl8tPSBTYW1lIGdy ZWF0IGNvbnRlbnQgYWxzbyBhdmFpbGFibGUgdmlhIHRoZSBXZWIgRm9ydW1zIQpfLT0KXy09ICAg LS0+IGh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQpfLT0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAg IC0gTGlzdCBDb250cmlidXRpb24gV2ViIFNpdGUgLQpfLT0gIFRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgeW91ciBn ZW5lcm91cyBzdXBwb3J0IQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtTWF0dCBE cmFsbGUsIExpc3QgQWRtaW4uCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vY29u dHJpYnV0aW9uCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cgo ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:50 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Encoder Installation Just because you fly a Pietenpol doesn't mean you have to avoid flying in to Class C or Class B airspace. I've had mine in both, several times. Invariably draws questions from the tower - "Say, just what kind of airplane IS that?" I would not have been able to put mine on display at the Smithsonian's Udvar-Hazy museum's Be a Pilot Family Day, if I did not have a transponder. Flying through the Washington ADIZ and landing at Dulles International was a thrill! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jeff wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Encoder Installation Encoder? Transponder? Large wire bundle? What are those? Oh, I must be on the wrong forum. I'm building a Pietenpol. Jeff Wilson N899WT Do Not Archive _____ From: Jack Phillips Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:54 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Encoder Installation I put mine right next to the transponder, in the centersection Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Encoder Installation Was wondering where others located their encoders. Close to transponder, or static source? My Trans-Cal manual says it should be as close as possible to the altimeter. Since I'm mounting my transponder in the center section, I would rather run the static line down through the struts rather than the large wire bundle. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jack DSM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== ics.com ========== matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:17 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: More mag problems two shouldn't go at the same time. Start looking at things in common=2C li ke the mag switch. Also=2C is it possible you have an engine problem like a blown head gasaket that might have fouled plugs? Gene > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More mag problems > From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com > Date: Tue=2C 28 Sep 2010 05:20:50 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > So the only "PMA" "aircraft" parts are the ones giving you problems ?? > Sorry Dan...... were the mags new? I would have thought one mag would hav e done OK > > Jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313976#313976 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:43 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables Larry, I think Grega left the cross bracing cables in place is because his diagonal brace are small and light tube, 1/2"X.032 I think. Also he just has a small strap wrapped around the top of the cabane (not welded) to attach the diagonal brace to. Most Piet guys take the cross bracing cables out after they get the wing location set. Hopefully they use heaver tube for the diagonal brace and weld the fitting to the top of the cabane. Your diagonal braces look a little bigger than the braces on my GN-1. If you have any second thoughts I would put cross braces in. Skip > > That reminds me. It finally dawned on me that the GN-1 that I bought is the only one I've ever seen w/out the cross bracing cables that crisscross between the wing struts. > Larry ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:04 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Startin' My Ribs- Tucker Actually, it doesn't matter much. Once all the ribs are built, you will need to stack them on a couple of short pieces of spar material and then sand them all together with a long sanding block to make sure they are all absolutely uniform. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johnwoods@westnet.com.au Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Startin' My Ribs- Tucker I see a few of the rib jigs are using a cam wheel to hold the top and bottom sticks to the rib out line. I did the same, however I installed all the cams on the inside of the rib so as to push the sticks out against the perimeter jig blocks. This way you are sure all the ribs will have the same outside contour line irrespective of variations in stick thickness. Does that make sense? Regards, JohnW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tucker" Sent: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010 2:19:21 AM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Pietenpol-List: Startin' My Ribs- Tucker Well Captain and I made up the rib jig, steam box, bending jig, and cut the gussets so I'm finally ready to make some ribs. Here are pictures of our steam box and jigs. Today's my birthday, I'm finally a 13 year old teenager. Whoo Hoo! -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313889#313889 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0003_300.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0001_321.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Startin' My Ribs- Tucker From: Kenneth Howe My jig is more like Tucker's. I put the fixed, rectangular blocks on the outside of the curvature and the cams on the inside. So on the bottom reflexed area, the cams are on the outside of the rib. I think it's like Ryan said, probably won't make a difference in the long run. Ken On Sep 27, 2010, at 7:34 PM, johnwoods@westnet.com.au wrote: > > I see a few of the rib jigs are using a cam wheel to hold the top and bottom sticks to the rib out line. > I did the same, however I installed all the cams on the inside of the rib so as to push the sticks out against the perimeter jig blocks. > This way you are sure all the ribs will have the same outside contour line irrespective of variations in stick thickness. > Does that make sense? > > Regards, > JohnW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tucker" > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010 2:19:21 AM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Startin' My Ribs- Tucker > > > Well Captain and I made up the rib jig, steam box, bending jig, and cut the gussets so I'm finally ready to make some ribs. Here are pictures of our steam box and jigs. > > Today's my birthday, I'm finally a 13 year old teenager. Whoo Hoo! > > -------- > Tucker > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313889#313889 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0003_300.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0001_321.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:09 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables Skip, I think what everyone is talking about here are the wires that brace the lift struts, not the ones between the right side cabanes that can be replaced by the forward diagonal brace. It seems that this plane has been flying without the lift strut wires - I would not think that that is a reasonable proposition, to put it mildly. Also makes me wonder if this plane has jury struts? Kip Gardner On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Skip Gadd wrote: > > > Larry, > I think Grega left the cross bracing cables in place is because his > diagonal brace are small and light tube, 1/2"X.032 I think. Also he > just > has a small strap wrapped around the top of the cabane (not welded) to > attach the diagonal brace to. Most Piet guys take the cross bracing > cables > out after they get the wing location set. Hopefully they use heaver > tube > for the diagonal brace and weld the fitting to the top of the > cabane. Your > diagonal braces look a little bigger than the braces on my GN-1. If > you > have any second thoughts I would put cross braces in. > Skip > > >> >> That reminds me. It finally dawned on me that the GN-1 that I >> bought is > the only one I've ever seen w/out the cross bracing cables that > crisscross > between the wing struts. >> Larry > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables From: "TriScout" Yeah... it's lacking the cables that criss cross between the lift struts. I already bought the 'tangs' (that the strut attach bolts go thru) from AS&S for the cables I will install. I was thinking that stainless flying wires might be better/stronger.... until I saw the pricing on it. Anything (cable) would be better than nothing.. I hope.. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313999#313999 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:02 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables My goof! Now I understand why someone said they would not fly a Piet without them. Skip > Yeah... it's lacking the cables that criss cross between the lift struts. I already bought the 'tangs' (that the strut attach bolts go thru) from AS&S for the cables I will install. I was thinking that stainless flying wires might be better/stronger.... until I saw the pricing on it. Anything (cable) would be better than nothing.. I hope.. > > Larry ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine From: "Bill Church" Just looking at the photos, and I can't figure out where you sit on that buggy, let alone how you steer it. That is one small vehicle! BC Do Not Archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314004#314004 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_0750_medium_637_146.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:44 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shad flying back home... Hi Jim, Really great set of pictures, thanks for making them available. Jim B. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:17:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shad flying back home... Neat picture of a REAL airplane departing from Lee Bottom... http://web.me.com/shelbysmith/EAA_162/Lee_Bottom_2010.html#81 There are some other good pictures on that website of the Bell's Air Camper... Very nice....I am really jealous! jm ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:32 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shad flying back home... My pleasure....and I only WISH I had done more than just "point" to pictures someone ELSE got to take!!! Sure wish I could have been there....while these pictures were being taken I was driving around (ok, LEARNING to drive around) in a Bobcat...moving dirt piles from one spot to the other....yuck! Actually being at Lee Bottom would have been SO much more fun! jm -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Boyer >Sent: Sep 28, 2010 2:15 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shad flying back home... > > >Hi Jim, >Really great set of pictures, thanks for making them available. >Jim B. > >Do not archive > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Markle" >To: "Pietenpol List" >Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:17:30 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shad flying back home... > > >Neat picture of a REAL airplane departing from Lee Bottom... > >http://web.me.com/shelbysmith/EAA_162/Lee_Bottom_2010.html#81 > >There are some other good pictures on that website of the Bell's Air Camper... > >Very nice....I am really jealous! > >jm > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:39 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine Hey Tom, - Great talking to you last night! I look forward to visiting with you and bu ilding these beautiful airplanes. - I finished the layout of the fuse sides last night and decided to utilize t he shorter version of the fuse as listed in the Flyer and Glider Manual. Wi th my weight I have taken note from others the plane tends to be tail heavy if usig the long fuse. I will be applying glue this Saturday after returning back from my conferen ce to Orlando. I have- a new tail wheel from Aircraft Spruce which should work very well. I am going to study the tail section as I like the squareness of the stabil izer you pointed out. I believe the cross pieces in the improved design are a better stronger layout. Otherwise everything else is the same. - As the fuse glue drys for a few days, I will probably start cutting my rib parts. Remember, a paper cutter works great for cutting the plywood gussett s (if you are using the square design) - Ken Heide PO Box 1026 814 Elizabeth Street Hawley, MN 56549 - cell 701-793-3030 work 701-433-3198 --- On Sun, 9/26/10, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: From: tdudley@umn.edu Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Engine KM, I'm in Alexandria, MN and would be interested in maybe meeting with both yo u and Vern.- I'm early in my build (started building ribs a week ago and have five done) but I'm interested in the Corvair engine.- Let me know. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=313797#313797 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:30 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shad flying back home... Hi Jim, Driving a Bobcat would be lots of fun too; unless you accidently moved something you shouldn't. Jim B. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:11:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shad flying back home... My pleasure....and I only WISH I had done more than just "point" to pictures someone ELSE got to take!!! Sure wish I could have been there....while these pictures were being taken I was driving around (ok, LEARNING to drive around) in a Bobcat...moving dirt piles from one spot to the other....yuck! Actually being at Lee Bottom would have been SO much more fun! jm -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Boyer >Sent: Sep 28, 2010 2:15 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shad flying back home... > > >Hi Jim, >Really great set of pictures, thanks for making them available. >Jim B. > >Do not archive > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Markle" >To: "Pietenpol List" >Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:17:30 AM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shad flying back home... > > >Neat picture of a REAL airplane departing from Lee Bottom... > >http://web.me.com/shelbysmith/EAA_162/Lee_Bottom_2010.html#81 > >There are some other good pictures on that website of the Bell's Air Camper... > >Very nice....I am really jealous! > >jm > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:54 PM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Encoder Installation You're absolutely right and i likely will install a transponder down the ro ad. Just like my motorcycle days, at a certain point I was no longer content wi th toolin' around town and had to take off across country. Jeff Wilson Do not archive --- On Tue, 9/28/10, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Encoder Installation =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0AEncoder Installation=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0AJust because you fly a Pietenpol doesn=99t=0Amean you have to avoid flying in to Class C or Class B airspace.=C2- I =99ve=0Ahad mine in both, several times.=C2- Invariably draws questions f rom the tower =93=0A=9CSay, just what kind of airplane IS that? =9D =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI would not have been able to put mine on=0Ad isplay at the Smithsonian=99s Udvar-Hazy museum=99s Be a Pilot Family=0ADay, if I did not have a transponder.=C2- Flying through the Was hington ADIZ and=0Alanding at Dulles International was a thrill! =0A=0A =C2 - =0A=0AJack=0A Phillips =0A=0ANX899JP =0A=0ARaleigh, NC =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0A owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronic s.com [mailto:=0A owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of jeff=0A wilson =0ASent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010=0A8:41 AM =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List:=0AEncoder Installation =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AEncoder? Transponder? Large wire=0Abundle? What are those? =0AOh, I must be on the wrong forum. I'm building a Pietenpol. =0AJeff Wilson =0AN899WT =0A =0ADo Not Archive =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: =0AJack Phillips =0ASent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:54 AM =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Encoder=0AInstallation =0A=0AI put mine rig ht next to the transponder,=0Ain the centersection =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AJack Phillips =0A=0A =0A=0ANX899JP =0A=0ARaleigh,=0A NC =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0A owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ]=0AOn Behalf Of Jack =0ASent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010=0A6:27 AM =0ATo:=0A pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Encoder=0AInstallation =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A =0AWas=0Awondering where others located their encoders.=C2- Close to tran sponder, or=0Astatic source?=C2- My Trans-Cal manual says it should be as =0Aclose as possible to the altimeter.=C2- Since I=99m mounting my =0Atransponder in the center section, I would rather run the static line do wn=0Athrough the struts rather than the large wire bundle.=C2- Any though ts? =0A=0AThanks, =0A=0AJack =0A=0ADSM =0A=0A =C2- =C2-http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matr onics.com/contribution=C2- =C2- =C2-=========== ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List======== ===ics.com===========matronics.com/contribution =========== =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics .com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables From: "Dangerous Dave" Stainless cable can be wrapped using the proper flux,For the extra $40 I'd rather have real aircraft stainless its cheaper than a coffin.Stainless is FAA PMA certified as is galvanized.You have yearly inspections,part of that is cable inspection,all cables wear out.Replace as needed.The recommended cable sizes ie 3/32 for everything but the elevator and 1/8 for the elevator is what is required no more no less.If any aircraft cable broke from going around a recommended bend radius it would never get an FAA PMA stamp.If you use certified parts you may have a bit less money,if you don't someone might use the money you saved for your funeral.Being cheap is always more costly. -------- Building a Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314046#314046 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables From: "coxwelljon" chiefpepperhead(at)hotmai wrote: > Someone else pipe up here if Im wrong, but I have no idea what would keep the wing from twisting around the vertical axis relative to the fuselage. With the configuration of a Piet or a GN-1 and parallel lift struts it would appear to me that you would have to have the cross bracing. Other designs get around this of course by the "V" configuration of the lift struts. > > My GN-1 plans clearly show the cables between the struts on the assembled 3d drawing. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314055#314055 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cables From: "coxwelljon" TriScout wrote: > Yeah... it's lacking the cables that criss cross between the lift struts. I already bought the 'tangs' (that the strut attach bolts go thru) from AS&S for the cables I will install. I was thinking that stainless flying wires might be better/stronger.... until I saw the pricing on it. Anything (cable) would be better than nothing.. I hope.. > > Larry Dillsburg Airplane works has aircraft cables for about 1/2 the price of Aircraft Spruce. They are lubed as well. I am using 3/32" 7x19 galv. for all control cables and 1/8" 7x19 galv. for flying wires. Dillsburg does not have a website so you have to call for price. They will send you a price list. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314056#314056 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: turnbuckles & blasting cabinet. From: "coxwelljon" I've just been lurking for awhile, but have made some progress that I thought I would share. (Building / rebuilding a GN-1 project.) The turn buckles in my project were huge. Our local DAR suggested they were good for a 737. I'll bet I have 10# if turnbuckles. I decided to change them all and looked at the AS price. Long story short I decided to build my own. I saw a great light weight turnbuckle at Broadhead and decided to copy them with some changes. Built a prototype and tested it today. I put 1250 pounds tension until I reached the yield point of my testing beam and no damage to the turnbuckle. The prototype has 3/8" brass barrel and 3/16" ends with loop ends which are braised. I am going to try stainless steel ends but fabrication may be more difficult. I plan on about 20 of them if my count is correct and I have about $100 which includes 10/32 right and left hand taps and dies, in material which will make twice that number. Clevises will be from used M-cycle chain side plates held together with 10/32 AN bolts. Photos attached. Lots of time but certainly some cost savings. Another project which may be of interest is the sand blasting cabinet I made from scrap odds and ends in the shop. I have $20 in it for a light and rubber gloves the rest was stuff I had laying around. I think one could build one for under $50 buying all new plus a $15 sand blasting gun from Harbor freight. The sand runs out into a 5 gal bucket through a boot made of house wrap, and is reused through a plastic tube connected to the gun. Needs 80 PSI to work with my gun and I need to stop every 10 min. to let the home made compressor catch up. I built it to allow longer tubes to be fed in one end and out the other. Does a great job of cleaning up welds and taking off minor rust. 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