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Thu 10/07/10


Total Messages Posted: 19



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     1. 07:39 AM - Re: Offset on vertical stab (taildrags)
     2. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: Offset on vertical stab (Ryan Mueller)
     3. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Fuselage - Long vs Standard (Jim Boyer)
     4. 08:27 AM - Motivating cross country trip (chase143(at)aol.com)
     5. 10:08 AM - Re: Motivating cross country trip (Kenneth Howe)
     6. 10:26 AM - Re: Motivating cross country trip (mike Hardaway)
     7. 01:32 PM - Two Air Camper projects for sale. (gabenner)
     8. 01:46 PM - Re: Motivating cross country trip (shad bell)
     9. 01:55 PM - Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    10. 02:37 PM - Re: Motivating cross country trip (shad bell)
    11. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Offset on vertical stab (Dan Yocum)
    12. 05:14 PM - Piets and Gladiator movies (Darrel Jones)
    13. 05:58 PM - Re: Offset on vertical stab (coxwelljon)
    14. 06:22 PM - Fw: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
    15. 07:27 PM - Re: Piets and Gladiator movies (Gary Boothe)
    16. 07:29 PM - Re: Fw: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off (Gary Boothe)
    17. 07:37 PM - Gene Rambo's Pietenpol (Jack Phillips)
    18. 08:20 PM - Model "A" update (Lawrence Williams)
    19. 11:43 PM - Re: Gene Rambo's Pietenpol (bubbleboy)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:39:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Offset on vertical stab
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Dan; the spacers go between the rubber donuts on the engine mount points and the flats on the engine mount, same as washers. As mentioned in another post in this thread, aluminum should we acceptable there... 6061-T6 has a Brinnell hardness of 95; normalized 4130 steel has a BHN of 92. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315019#315019


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    Time: 07:51:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Offset on vertical stab
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    You say that now...we'll see what kind of modern art masterpieces that hot-rod A-75 turns those spacers in to come next annual... ;) Ryan do not archive On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:36 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dan; the spacers go between the rubber donuts on the engine mount points > and the flats on the engine mount, same as washers. As mentioned in another > post in this thread, aluminum should we acceptable there... 6061-T6 has a > Brinnell hardness of 95; normalized 4130 steel has a BHN of 92. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > Air Camper NX41CC


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    Time: 08:23:49 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuselage - Long vs Standard
    Hi Chris, Thanks I was wondering about that. I did a similiar thing in that I used springy pieces of wood wedged between fuselage sides and down from the top longeron to hold those fittings in place for pilot drilling. Thats one of the things that is neat about a Piet; how people do some of the tricky parts of building one. Jim B. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 6, 2010 7:33:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage - Long vs Standard Jim The picture was taken when the fuselage was upside down (inverted) while I built the landing gear. In the picture you are actually looking up into the fuselage. I wedged the stick between the garage floor and the fitting to hold the fitting in place while I drilled holes from the other side. It was a rather simple solution to a tricky problem of clamping the fitting where there is no place to clamp. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage - Long vs Standard Chris, What is that vertical piece of wood doing? Do you have your wing/center section temporarily mounted? Thanks, Jim


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    Time: 08:27:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Motivating cross country trip
    From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143@aol.com>
    I apologize if you have already seen these. But this has to be one of the most motivating cross country picture stories I have seen, and includes some great Brodhead pictures. Thanks again to Doug Reeves for capturing this great trip. Steve http://www.vintageflying.com/page24.html -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315026#315026


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    Time: 10:08:15 AM PST US
    From: Kenneth Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com>
    Subject: Re: Motivating cross country trip
    Now I just 'wasted' a bunch of my work day going through that site. WOW! Ken On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:25 AM, chase143(at)aol.com wrote: <chase143@aol.com> > > I apologize if you have already seen these. But this has to be one of the most motivating cross country picture stories I have seen, and includes some great Brodhead pictures. > Thanks again to Doug Reeves for capturing this great trip. > Steve > > http://www.vintageflying.com/page24.html > > -------- > Steve > www.mypiet.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315026#315026 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:26:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Motivating cross country trip
    From: mike Hardaway <bkemike@gmail.com>
    Those photos have caused me a lot of work (and joy); my crippled 85 year old mother, after seeing those images, has decided she wants to fly again, after not flying in anything without flight attendants for over forty years. Mike Hardaway On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Kenneth Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com> wrote: > Now I just 'wasted' a bunch of my work day going through that site. WOW! > > Ken > > On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:25 AM, chase143(at)aol.com wrote: > > chase143@aol.com> > > I apologize if you have already seen these. But this has to be one of the > most motivating cross country picture stories I have seen, and includes some > great Brodhead pictures. > Thanks again to Doug Reeves for capturing this great trip. > Steve > > http://www.vintageflying.com/page24.html > > -------- > Steve > www.mypiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315026#315026 > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 01:32:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Two Air Camper projects for sale.
    From: "gabenner" <gbenner@bixbymachine.com>
    Hey Folks, My name is Gary and I live in Spokane Washington. I've been watching the board for about a year and a half and have just recently built my first rib. I'm looking forward to building my Piet as time and money allows. So I wasn't going to introduce myself yet until I was a little closer to actually building the bird but today someone listed two Air camper projects on craigslist and I thought you guy's should know about them. I love reading your guy's posts and comment's. Some of you really crack me up. Look up Craigslist Spokane and if I can help in anyway let me know. Have a good day Gentlemen. Semper Fi Gary Benner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315048#315048


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    Time: 01:46:06 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Motivating cross country trip
    That is one Awesome album!- I recognize at least a dozen of those places from flying the piet around the Midwest.- Now I just gotta get my little biplane done so dad and I can both go flying.- The cool part is he said i t was 400 some gal of fuel, not much more expensive than a round trip coast to coast and back flight on an American Airlines flight.- - Shad=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 01:55:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale.
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
    Gary, Good to meet you! I like meeting someone who's name I can remember. The List needs to know: 1) Have you watched TGWP? 2) Do you like to watch gladiator movies? Gary Boothe Do not archive ------Original Message------ From: gabenner Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two Air Camper projects for sale. Sent: Oct 7, 2010 1:29 PM Hey Folks, My name is Gary and I live in Spokane Washington. I've been watching the board for about a year and a half and have just recently built my first rib. I'm looking forward to building my Piet as time and money allows. So I wasn't going to introduce myself yet until I was a little closer to actually building the bird but today someone listed two Air camper projects on craigslist and I thought you guy's should know about them. I love reading your guy's posts and comment's. Some of you really crack me up. Look up Craigslist Spokane and if I can help in anyway let me know. Have a good day Gentlemen. Semper Fi Gary Benner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315048#315048 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry


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    Time: 02:37:29 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Motivating cross country trip
    That is one Awesome album!- I recognize at least a dozen of those places from flying the piet around the Midwest.- Now I just gotta get my little biplane done so dad and I can both go flying.- The cool part is he said i t was 400 some gal of fuel, not much more expensive than a round trip coast to coast and back flight on an American Airlines flight.- - Shad=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:04:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Offset on vertical stab
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
    Ah, so there's a soft surface in there - it's not hard-on-hard-on-hard, which I can just imagine would beat the heck out of the aluminum. Engineering by intuition is no way to go through life, I guess. Thanks for the edjamacation, Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:36 AM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dan; the spacers go between the rubber donuts on the engine mount points and the flats on the engine mount, same as washers. As mentioned in another post in this thread, aluminum should we acceptable there... 6061-T6 has a Brinnell hardness of 95; normalized 4130 steel has a BHN of 92. > >


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    Time: 05:14:52 PM PST US
    From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor@vom.com>
    Subject: Piets and Gladiator movies
    Gary, Are you suggesting that anyone building an airplane and/or flying an airplane needs to watch the movie Airplane? For tips on in-flight meals? Autopilots? Inquiring minds... Darrel


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    Time: 05:58:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Offset on vertical stab
    From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
    Dave, I had our local DAR look at my project a couple of weeks ago for an interim inspection and we talked about the vert. stab. offset. He told me, rule of thumb for Cubs, Aeronacas, and of course Piets was this. If you sight along the vert. stab. your sight line should be to a point 1/2 way between the center line of the fuselage and the outer edge of the firewall. Left or right depends on you engine. He did mention you can build something into the engine mount as well but my recollection was. that this works without an engine offset. I believe he knows what he is talking about as he does high end restoration work on older Pipers and has won several awards at Oshkosh in recent years. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315073#315073


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    Time: 06:22:33 PM PST US
    From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Fw: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off
    - -OPEN THE WEB SITE AT THE END OF THIS EMAIL AND WATCH THIS TAKEOFF! - - A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane...... payload-1 million pounds!! !!- This really raises the-pucker-factor....- Listen to the "controllers" in the tower who are Australian: Ya gotta love it.- "The Vodka Burner" as the Aussies call it, literally uses every inch of run way....... WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. (shot from the tower)- http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia .wmv - - - - - - - - - This email and attachments may contain proprietary, confidential and legall y privileged information protected from disclosure. It is for the intended recipient(s) only. Unauthorized use, disclosure, or dissemination is prohib ited. Unless otherwise stated, opinions or comments are those of the writer , not AMSOIL INC. AMSOIL is not responsible for incorrect recommendations i f information provided to AMSOIL is inaccurate or incomplete. If this has b een received in error, please notify AMSOIL immediately and delete all copi es and backups. Thank you for your cooperation.=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 07:27:18 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Piets and Gladiator movies
    Well.....yeah! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets and Gladiator movies Gary, Are you suggesting that anyone building an airplane and/or flying an airplane needs to watch the movie Airplane? For tips on in-flight meals? Autopilots? Inquiring minds... Darrel


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    Time: 07:29:08 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Fw: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take
    off Cool.thanks! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (20 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 6:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off OPEN THE WEB SITE AT THE END OF THIS EMAIL AND WATCH THIS TAKEOFF! A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane...... payload 1 million pounds!!!! This really raises the pucker factor.... Listen to the "controllers" in the tower who are Australian: Ya gotta love it. "The Vodka Burner" as the Aussies call it, literally uses every inch of runway....... WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. (shot from the tower) http <http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia .wmv> ://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.wmv <http://www.incredimail.com/?id=606432&rui=121252179> This email and attachments may contain proprietary, confidential and legally privileged information protected from disclosure. It is for the intended recipient(s) only. Unauthorized use, disclosure, or dissemination is prohibited. Unless otherwise stated, opinions or comments are those of the writer, not AMSOIL INC. AMSOIL is not responsible for incorrect recommendations if information provided to AMSOIL is inaccurate or incomplete. If this has been received in error, please notify AMSOIL immediately and delete all copies and backups. Thank you for your cooperation.


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    Time: 07:37:41 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Gene Rambo's Pietenpol
    This week I've been helping Gene Rambo prepare to cover his Pietenpol project. Today we got the lift struts finished and got the airplane all assembled for the first time. Anyone who has been to this stage on their Pietenpol project knows that this is a magic moment. Gene has done a fantastic job on his Model A powered airplane, building it just the way Bernard built his first one, with aileron cables external to the wing, wire-wrapped and soldered cables, and period hardware (I think I even saw some #7 wood screws holding the stabilizer in place), no brakes, smooth tires on the wire wheels (not the wheels in the photos), and a tailskid. The workmanship is impeccable. I've attached a couple of pictures. I'm looking forward to seeing this one at Brodhead next year. Jack Phillips


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    Time: 08:20:13 PM PST US
    From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Model "A" update
    Well......the "A" is almost back together and it's going to be better than ever. I have a few tricks up my sleeve thanks to this website that are going to make my engine the envy of the community!! First of all, I put dimple tape on the piston rods and the outer edges of the crankshaft counterweights. I hope to get a couple of hundred more RPM from that move alone. Next, I carved a new prop with the mighty Riblett GA 3OU 613.5 airfoil!! If the buzz is to be believed, I should get even more RPM, more thrust, decreased P-factor, better fuel economy,(ie more range), faster climb and instant starts by just pointing the nose into a gentle breeze. The big boo-boo with the prop is that I laminated it with Gorilla glue which I now learn is merely a marketing ploy that only creats a foamy residue and does absolutely nothing to bond wood together. Oh, well. Live and learn. You guys keep those reviews coming in and I'll keep incorporating them into the ol' Cherry Grove Missle. One of these days maybe I'll get around to putting all of this knowledge into a DVD set. Larry W. Please, please...DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 11:43:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gene Rambo's Pietenpol
    From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
    Aaaahhh...there's no aphrodisiac like a naked Pietenpol.....im done! ;o) Back to the garage for elevator building! Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315088#315088




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