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1. 04:55 AM - Update on the "A" (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:17 AM - Re: Update on the "A" (Harvey Rule)
3. 07:38 AM - Re: Update on the "A" (Gene Rambo)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: Update on the "A" (Gary Boothe)
5. 11:03 AM - Re: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off (dgaldrich)
6. 01:28 PM - This n that (333barryt)
7. 01:34 PM - Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. (dgaldrich)
8. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. (Dan Yocum)
9. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. (Dan Yocum)
10. 02:46 PM - Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. (Rick Holland)
11. 04:09 PM - Re: Update on the "A" (helspersew@aol.com)
12. 05:44 PM - Doin' Some Ribs (Tucker)
13. 05:52 PM - Re: Pietenpol Aerial almost done (Dan P)
14. 08:45 PM - My Plan is Working (Gary Boothe)
15. 08:46 PM - Re: Doin' Some Ribs (Gary Boothe)
16. 09:49 PM - Re: My Plan is Working (Jim Markle)
17. 10:40 PM - Re: My Plan is Working (Chris)
18. 11:14 PM - Re: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off (Billy McCaskill)
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| Subject: | Update on the "A" |
Well, I have started to tear down my engine. Things are going slow. I am
so discouraged that I actually have to force myself to go out into the ha
ngar. As I told you good people before, I removed my cam-gear-driven magne
to and discovered the teeth either sheered or worn off. Here are a couple
of preliminary photos peeking through the mag drive housing. I talked to
Ken Perkins (the designer and seller of this mag drive) and he said it wa
s because I did not have adequate clearance between the gears. I didn't ev
en think of that when I put it together. It seemed to fit OK so I just tho
ught all was OK......NOT! As you can see, only about half of the chord of
the teeth are gone. The part that was left kept my cam turning so I could
get home and not end up in a bean field.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Update on the "A" |
Holy smokes=2Cfrom what I see you were very lucky to make it back!!!
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A"
From: helspersew@aol.com
Well=2C I have started to tear down my engine. Things are going slow. I am
so discouraged that I actually have to force myself to go out into the hang
ar. As I told you good people before=2C I removed my cam-gear-driven magnet
o and discovered the teeth either sheered or worn off. Here are a couple of
preliminary photos peeking through the mag drive housing. I talked to Ken
Perkins (the designer and seller of this mag drive) and he said it was beca
use I did not have adequate clearance between the gears. I didn't even thin
k of that when I put it together. It seemed to fit OK so I just thought all
was OK......NOT! As you can see=2C only about half of the chord of the te
eth are gone. The part that was left kept my cam turning so I could get hom
e and not end up in a bean field.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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I guess I don't understand something=2C Dan. The original crankshaft gear
and its mating (composite) cam gear are helical gears. All of the after ma
rket gears I have ever seen=2C be they aluminum or bronze=2C are helical as
well. I am not sure what your photo is showing=2C but it is clearly a str
aight gear. Does your magneto drive modification change the crankshaft gea
r as well=2C so that all of the gears are straight gears?? The only other
thing I can tell from your photo is that the magneto gear was only partiall
y engaging the drive gear=2C it appears to be less than half=2C which may b
e the sum of your problem=2C but I still don't get what gear you are showin
g.
BTW=2C you never did call=2C please give me a call when you get a chance=2C
202-674-1445.
Gene
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A"
From: helspersew@aol.com
Well=2C I have started to tear down my engine. Things are going slow. I am
so discouraged that I actually have to force myself to go out into the hang
ar. As I told you good people before=2C I removed my cam-gear-driven magnet
o and discovered the teeth either sheered or worn off. Here are a couple of
preliminary photos peeking through the mag drive housing. I talked to Ken
Perkins (the designer and seller of this mag drive) and he said it was beca
use I did not have adequate clearance between the gears. I didn't even thin
k of that when I put it together. It seemed to fit OK so I just thought all
was OK......NOT! As you can see=2C only about half of the chord of the te
eth are gone. The part that was left kept my cam turning so I could get hom
e and not end up in a bean field.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove=2C IL.
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| Subject: | Update on the "A" |
Dan,
Your discouragement is understandable.you got a little taste of joy.then
back to the hanger! But, are you kidding! After all that fantastic work? The
fabric? The painting? The cockpit coping? The instrument panels? Carving
your own prop? Your workmanship has set the bar WAY high! An engine
tear-down and rebuild is NOTHING compared to what you have accomplished so
far. If you had all the parts gathered up, all info in your hands, I'll bet
you could do it in one weekend.maybe two at the worst. Just pick a couple
days, tell your wife to slide the food under the hanger door, and you will
back in the air in no time!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
20 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A"
Well, I have started to tear down my engine. Things are going slow. I am so
discouraged that I actually have to force myself to go out into the hangar.
As I told you good people before, I removed my cam-gear-driven magneto and
discovered the teeth either sheered or worn off. Here are a couple of
preliminary photos peeking through the mag drive housing. I talked to Ken
Perkins (the designer and seller of this mag drive) and he said it was
because I did not have adequate clearance between the gears. I didn't even
think of that when I put it together. It seemed to fit OK so I just thought
all was OK......NOT! As you can see, only about half of the chord of the
teeth are gone. The part that was left kept my cam turning so I could get
home and not end up in a bean field.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off |
Off by a zero. 100,000 lbs max load, but still impressive. Just wonder what his
V speeds were. The way it looked, he needed all 4 to even get barely airborne
with the runway available. Loss of one engine ANYWHERE on the takeoff roll
would have rolled him into a fireball. That's not guts, that's stupidity.
The only way it makes sense is if he actually DID have one engine quit right after
V1. That would also account for the sloooow climb.
Dave Aldrich
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Hello gentlemen. I have been a lurker here for years. Though I have occasionally
thought to add a comment or idea, mostly there is no reason to do it.
My Piet qualifications are that I was the first person to fly with Lowell
after he hung the Warner on his airplane. Plus, I was caretaker for an unfinished
A-Model Piet for a few years on which I did little. That airplane is now
under the care and feeding of Don Lane who does show up once in a while here.
I expect it will take to the air soon. Those in Eastern NC might keep their
ears peeled. I expect there will be another one in my life, though not for a
while.
The impetus for this post is to say the recent series on Piet flying qualities
was one of the most elucidating set of posts yet, with cogent weigh-ins from
many. Well done.
The second reason is to suggest to Dan that his current revelations are a
gift.
Carry on with vigor.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. |
And DON'T call me Shirley!!!!!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. |
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Oh, wait. There's some T-88 in the garage...
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:31 PM, dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. |
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Oh, wait. There's some T-88 in the garage...
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. |
Congratulations on getting started Gary, its going to be fun and
educational. I used to live in Spokane, have you checked out the restaurant
down at Felts field? Great spot with plenty of airplane geeks hanging aroun
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and a nice field to keep a Pietenpol.
rick
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:52 PM, <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Good to meet you! I like meeting someone who's name I can remember.
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> The List needs to know:
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> 1) Have you watched TGWP?
> 2) Do you like to watch gladiator movies?
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> Gary Boothe
> Do not archive
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> From: gabenner
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two Air Camper projects for sale.
> Sent: Oct 7, 2010 1:29 PM
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> Hey Folks,
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> My name is Gary and I live in Spokane Washington. I've been watching the
> board for about a year and a half and have just recently built my first r
ib.
> I'm looking forward to building my Piet as time and money allows. So I
> wasn't going to introduce myself yet until I was a little closer to actua
lly
> building the bird but today someone listed two Air camper projects on
> craigslist and I thought you guy's should know about them.
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> I love reading your guy's posts and comment's. Some of you really crack m
e
> up.
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> Look up Craigslist Spokane and if I can help in anyway let me know.
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> Have a good day Gentlemen.
> Semper Fi
> Gary Benner
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Update on the "A" |
Yes Gene,
As I indicated to you on the phone this morning (I called you back immedia
tely, after the public humiliation) that the partial-meshing of the gears
may be the sum of my problems. Also, it may appear in the photo that this
is a straight-toothed gear, but it is in fact, a readily-available afterm
arket helical cam gear......................... After some contempla
tion, I have decided to eliminate this 2nd magneto, and just go with the
one crank-driven mag, as "Bernerd" originally designed it. That's what I
get, (as a purported purist), for deviating from BHP's original design.
Thank you for your insight and perspective.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 9, 2010 9:34 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A"
I guess I don't understand something, Dan. The original crankshaft gear
and its mating (composite) cam gear are helical gears. All of the after
market gears I have ever seen, be they aluminum or bronze, are helical as
well. I am not sure what your photo is showing, but it is clearly a stra
ight gear. Does your magneto drive modification change the crankshaft gea
r as well, so that all of the gears are straight gears?? The only other
thing I can tell from your photo is that the magneto gear was only partia
lly engaging the drive gear, it appears to be less than half, which may be
the sum of your problem, but I still don't get what gear you are showing.
BTW, you never did call, please give me a call when you get a chance, 202-
674-1445.
Gene
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A"
From: helspersew@aol.com
Well, I have started to tear down my engine. Things are going slow. I am
so discouraged that I actually have to force myself to go out into the ha
ngar. As I told you good people before, I removed my cam-gear-driven magne
to and discovered the teeth either sheered or worn off. Here are a couple
of preliminary photos peeking through the mag drive housing. I talked to
Ken Perkins (the designer and seller of this mag drive) and he said it wa
s because I did not have adequate clearance between the gears. I didn't ev
en think of that when I put it together. It seemed to fit OK so I just tho
ught all was OK......NOT! As you can see, only about half of the chord of
the teeth are gone. The part that was left kept my cam turning so I could
get home and not end up in a bean field.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Got 4 ribs done so far. Kind of a slow process since I can only build 2 ribs each
weekend between baseball and basketball games, homework, and studying.
Using this little 23ga pin nailer from Harbor Freight sure beats hand nailing the
gussets in place. I'm going to try to talk Captain into doing some for me
if I can get him to break away from his RV-9A.
Captain said that we should be able to get the fuselage basically built over the
Christmas break and then build the wing over Spring break. That would be way
cool.
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Tucker
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerial almost done |
Wow!!! That looks really great.
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Dan Plett
N28WH
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| Subject: | My Plan is Working |
Here's what you do: You go hang out at the local High School, and before
they chase you away, you find a senior student who wants to do a senior
report on experimental aviation. Then you tell him how much fun it is to
build wing ribs, and that you'll buy him Diet Cokes if he builds you some
ribs.
"That's how it's done, Son!"
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(21 ribs down.)
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Keep at it, Tucker! You don't want to end up like me...an old man with 9
more ribs to build...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(21 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doin' Some Ribs
Got 4 ribs done so far. Kind of a slow process since I can only build 2
ribs each weekend between baseball and basketball games, homework, and
studying.
Using this little 23ga pin nailer from Harbor Freight sure beats hand
nailing the gussets in place. I'm going to try to talk Captain into doing
some for me if I can get him to break away from his RV-9A.
Captain said that we should be able to get the fuselage basically built over
the Christmas break and then build the wing over Spring break. That would
be way cool.
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Tucker
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| Subject: | Re: My Plan is Working |
The "process" is no big deal...
Finding a good young man like you found will be the trick. His parents should
be proud of him!
jm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Oct 9, 2010 10:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Plan is Working
Heres what you do: You go hang out at the local High
School, and before they chase you away, you find a senior student who wants to
do a senior report on experimental aviation. Then you tell him how much fun it
is to build wing ribs, and that youll buy him Diet Cokes if he builds
you some ribs.
Thats how its done, Son!
Gary
Boothe
Cool,
Ca.
Pietenpol
WW
Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail
done, Fuselage on gear
(21
ribs down)
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| Subject: | My Plan is Working |
Gary,
Only problem is he built a right wing rib and you need left wing ribs.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Plan is Working
Here's what you do: You go hang out at the local High School, and before
they chase you away, you find a senior student who wants to do a senior
report on experimental aviation. Then you tell him how much fun it is to
build wing ribs, and that you'll buy him Diet Cokes if he builds you some
ribs.
"That's how it's done, Son!"
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(21 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | Re: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off |
Indeed. The pilot left himself ZERO margin of error. Not something that I would
want to try, or recommend to anybody else.
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Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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