---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/09/10: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 AM - Update on the "A" (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 05:17 AM - Re: Update on the "A" (Harvey Rule) 3. 07:38 AM - Re: Update on the "A" (Gene Rambo) 4. 07:41 AM - Re: Update on the "A" (Gary Boothe) 5. 11:03 AM - Re: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off (dgaldrich) 6. 01:28 PM - This n that (333barryt) 7. 01:34 PM - Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. (dgaldrich) 8. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. (Dan Yocum) 9. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. (Dan Yocum) 10. 02:46 PM - Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. (Rick Holland) 11. 04:09 PM - Re: Update on the "A" (helspersew@aol.com) 12. 05:44 PM - Doin' Some Ribs (Tucker) 13. 05:52 PM - Re: Pietenpol Aerial almost done (Dan P) 14. 08:45 PM - My Plan is Working (Gary Boothe) 15. 08:46 PM - Re: Doin' Some Ribs (Gary Boothe) 16. 09:49 PM - Re: My Plan is Working (Jim Markle) 17. 10:40 PM - Re: My Plan is Working (Chris) 18. 11:14 PM - Re: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A" From: helspersew@aol.com Well, I have started to tear down my engine. Things are going slow. I am so discouraged that I actually have to force myself to go out into the ha ngar. As I told you good people before, I removed my cam-gear-driven magne to and discovered the teeth either sheered or worn off. Here are a couple of preliminary photos peeking through the mag drive housing. I talked to Ken Perkins (the designer and seller of this mag drive) and he said it wa s because I did not have adequate clearance between the gears. I didn't ev en think of that when I put it together. It seemed to fit OK so I just tho ught all was OK......NOT! As you can see, only about half of the chord of the teeth are gone. The part that was left kept my cam turning so I could get home and not end up in a bean field. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:05 AM PST US From: Harvey Rule Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A" Holy smokes=2Cfrom what I see you were very lucky to make it back!!! do not archive Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A" From: helspersew@aol.com Well=2C I have started to tear down my engine. Things are going slow. I am so discouraged that I actually have to force myself to go out into the hang ar. As I told you good people before=2C I removed my cam-gear-driven magnet o and discovered the teeth either sheered or worn off. Here are a couple of preliminary photos peeking through the mag drive housing. I talked to Ken Perkins (the designer and seller of this mag drive) and he said it was beca use I did not have adequate clearance between the gears. I didn't even thin k of that when I put it together. It seemed to fit OK so I just thought all was OK......NOT! As you can see=2C only about half of the chord of the te eth are gone. The part that was left kept my cam turning so I could get hom e and not end up in a bean field. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove=2C IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:57 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A" I guess I don't understand something=2C Dan. The original crankshaft gear and its mating (composite) cam gear are helical gears. All of the after ma rket gears I have ever seen=2C be they aluminum or bronze=2C are helical as well. I am not sure what your photo is showing=2C but it is clearly a str aight gear. Does your magneto drive modification change the crankshaft gea r as well=2C so that all of the gears are straight gears?? The only other thing I can tell from your photo is that the magneto gear was only partiall y engaging the drive gear=2C it appears to be less than half=2C which may b e the sum of your problem=2C but I still don't get what gear you are showin g. BTW=2C you never did call=2C please give me a call when you get a chance=2C 202-674-1445. Gene Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A" From: helspersew@aol.com Well=2C I have started to tear down my engine. Things are going slow. I am so discouraged that I actually have to force myself to go out into the hang ar. As I told you good people before=2C I removed my cam-gear-driven magnet o and discovered the teeth either sheered or worn off. Here are a couple of preliminary photos peeking through the mag drive housing. I talked to Ken Perkins (the designer and seller of this mag drive) and he said it was beca use I did not have adequate clearance between the gears. I didn't even thin k of that when I put it together. It seemed to fit OK so I just thought all was OK......NOT! As you can see=2C only about half of the chord of the te eth are gone. The part that was left kept my cam turning so I could get hom e and not end up in a bean field. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove=2C IL. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:37 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A" Dan, Your discouragement is understandable.you got a little taste of joy.then back to the hanger! But, are you kidding! After all that fantastic work? The fabric? The painting? The cockpit coping? The instrument panels? Carving your own prop? Your workmanship has set the bar WAY high! An engine tear-down and rebuild is NOTHING compared to what you have accomplished so far. If you had all the parts gathered up, all info in your hands, I'll bet you could do it in one weekend.maybe two at the worst. Just pick a couple days, tell your wife to slide the food under the hanger door, and you will back in the air in no time! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running Tail done, Fuselage on gear 20 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A" Well, I have started to tear down my engine. Things are going slow. I am so discouraged that I actually have to force myself to go out into the hangar. As I told you good people before, I removed my cam-gear-driven magneto and discovered the teeth either sheered or worn off. Here are a couple of preliminary photos peeking through the mag drive housing. I talked to Ken Perkins (the designer and seller of this mag drive) and he said it was because I did not have adequate clearance between the gears. I didn't even think of that when I put it together. It seemed to fit OK so I just thought all was OK......NOT! As you can see, only about half of the chord of the teeth are gone. The part that was left kept my cam turning so I could get home and not end up in a bean field. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off From: "dgaldrich" Off by a zero. 100,000 lbs max load, but still impressive. Just wonder what his V speeds were. The way it looked, he needed all 4 to even get barely airborne with the runway available. Loss of one engine ANYWHERE on the takeoff roll would have rolled him into a fireball. That's not guts, that's stupidity. The only way it makes sense is if he actually DID have one engine quit right after V1. That would also account for the sloooow climb. Dave Aldrich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315217#315217 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: This n that From: "333barryt" Hello gentlemen. I have been a lurker here for years. Though I have occasionally thought to add a comment or idea, mostly there is no reason to do it. My Piet qualifications are that I was the first person to fly with Lowell after he hung the Warner on his airplane. Plus, I was caretaker for an unfinished A-Model Piet for a few years on which I did little. That airplane is now under the care and feeding of Don Lane who does show up once in a while here. I expect it will take to the air soon. Those in Eastern NC might keep their ears peeled. I expect there will be another one in my life, though not for a while. The impetus for this post is to say the recent series on Piet flying qualities was one of the most elucidating set of posts yet, with cogent weigh-ins from many. Well done. The second reason is to suggest to Dan that his current revelations are a gift. Carry on with vigor. Barry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315226#315226 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. From: "dgaldrich" And DON'T call me Shirley!!!!! Dave Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315228#315228 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. From: Dan Yocum Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue. Oh, wait. There's some T-88 in the garage... Do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:31 PM, dgaldrich wrote: m> > > And DON'T call me Shirley!!!!! > > Dave > > Do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315228#315228 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. From: Dan Yocum Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue. Oh, wait. There's some T-88 in the garage... Do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Oct 9, 2010, at 3:31 PM, dgaldrich wrote: m> > > And DON'T call me Shirley!!!!! > > Dave > > Do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315228#315228 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Two Air Camper projects for sale. From: Rick Holland Congratulations on getting started Gary, its going to be fun and educational. I used to live in Spokane, have you checked out the restaurant down at Felts field? Great spot with plenty of airplane geeks hanging aroun d and a nice field to keep a Pietenpol. rick On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:52 PM, wrote: > > Gary, > > Good to meet you! I like meeting someone who's name I can remember. > > The List needs to know: > > 1) Have you watched TGWP? > 2) Do you like to watch gladiator movies? > > Gary Boothe > Do not archive > ------Original Message------ > From: gabenner > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Two Air Camper projects for sale. > Sent: Oct 7, 2010 1:29 PM > m > > > > Hey Folks, > > My name is Gary and I live in Spokane Washington. I've been watching the > board for about a year and a half and have just recently built my first r ib. > I'm looking forward to building my Piet as time and money allows. So I > wasn't going to introduce myself yet until I was a little closer to actua lly > building the bird but today someone listed two Air camper projects on > craigslist and I thought you guy's should know about them. > > I love reading your guy's posts and comment's. Some of you really crack m e > up. > > Look up Craigslist Spokane and if I can help in anyway let me know. > > Have a good day Gentlemen. > Semper Fi > Gary Benner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315048#315048 > > > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A" From: helspersew@aol.com Yes Gene, As I indicated to you on the phone this morning (I called you back immedia tely, after the public humiliation) that the partial-meshing of the gears may be the sum of my problems. Also, it may appear in the photo that this is a straight-toothed gear, but it is in fact, a readily-available afterm arket helical cam gear......................... After some contempla tion, I have decided to eliminate this 2nd magneto, and just go with the one crank-driven mag, as "Bernerd" originally designed it. That's what I get, (as a purported purist), for deviating from BHP's original design. Thank you for your insight and perspective. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Sat, Oct 9, 2010 9:34 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A" I guess I don't understand something, Dan. The original crankshaft gear and its mating (composite) cam gear are helical gears. All of the after market gears I have ever seen, be they aluminum or bronze, are helical as well. I am not sure what your photo is showing, but it is clearly a stra ight gear. Does your magneto drive modification change the crankshaft gea r as well, so that all of the gears are straight gears?? The only other thing I can tell from your photo is that the magneto gear was only partia lly engaging the drive gear, it appears to be less than half, which may be the sum of your problem, but I still don't get what gear you are showing. BTW, you never did call, please give me a call when you get a chance, 202- 674-1445. Gene Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on the "A" From: helspersew@aol.com Well, I have started to tear down my engine. Things are going slow. I am so discouraged that I actually have to force myself to go out into the ha ngar. As I told you good people before, I removed my cam-gear-driven magne to and discovered the teeth either sheered or worn off. Here are a couple of preliminary photos peeking through the mag drive housing. I talked to Ken Perkins (the designer and seller of this mag drive) and he said it wa s because I did not have adequate clearance between the gears. I didn't ev en think of that when I put it together. It seemed to fit OK so I just tho ught all was OK......NOT! As you can see, only about half of the chord of the teeth are gone. The part that was left kept my cam turning so I could get home and not end up in a bean field. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doin' Some Ribs From: "Tucker" Got 4 ribs done so far. Kind of a slow process since I can only build 2 ribs each weekend between baseball and basketball games, homework, and studying. Using this little 23ga pin nailer from Harbor Freight sure beats hand nailing the gussets in place. I'm going to try to talk Captain into doing some for me if I can get him to break away from his RV-9A. Captain said that we should be able to get the fuselage basically built over the Christmas break and then build the wing over Spring break. That would be way cool. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315235#315235 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_110.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0006_280.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aerial almost done From: "Dan P" Wow!!! That looks really great. -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315237#315237 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:13 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Plan is Working Here's what you do: You go hang out at the local High School, and before they chase you away, you find a senior student who wants to do a senior report on experimental aviation. Then you tell him how much fun it is to build wing ribs, and that you'll buy him Diet Cokes if he builds you some ribs. "That's how it's done, Son!" Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (21 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:22 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Doin' Some Ribs Keep at it, Tucker! You don't want to end up like me...an old man with 9 more ribs to build... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (21 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tucker Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doin' Some Ribs Got 4 ribs done so far. Kind of a slow process since I can only build 2 ribs each weekend between baseball and basketball games, homework, and studying. Using this little 23ga pin nailer from Harbor Freight sure beats hand nailing the gussets in place. I'm going to try to talk Captain into doing some for me if I can get him to break away from his RV-9A. Captain said that we should be able to get the fuselage basically built over the Christmas break and then build the wing over Spring break. That would be way cool. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315235#315235 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0007_110.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0006_280.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:52 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Plan is Working The "process" is no big deal... Finding a good young man like you found will be the trick. His parents should be proud of him! jm do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Oct 9, 2010 10:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Plan is Working Heres what you do: You go hang out at the local High School, and before they chase you away, you find a senior student who wants to do a senior report on experimental aviation. Then you tell him how much fun it is to build wing ribs, and that youll buy him Diet Cokes if he builds you some ribs. Thats how its done, Son! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (21 ribs down) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:00 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: My Plan is Working Gary, Only problem is he built a right wing rib and you need left wing ribs. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Plan is Working Here's what you do: You go hang out at the local High School, and before they chase you away, you find a senior student who wants to do a senior report on experimental aviation. Then you tell him how much fun it is to build wing ribs, and that you'll buy him Diet Cokes if he builds you some ribs. "That's how it's done, Son!" Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (21 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Those Ruskies !! Using up ALL the runway to take off From: "Billy McCaskill" Indeed. The pilot left himself ZERO margin of error. Not something that I would want to try, or recommend to anybody else. do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315246#315246 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.