---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/12/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:33 AM - Re: Braggin' rights (Barry Davis) 2. 09:24 AM - Re: Braggin' rights (TOM STINEMETZE) 3. 09:39 AM - Re: Braggin' rights (airlion) 4. 01:30 PM - Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (Woodflier@aol.com) 5. 01:55 PM - Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (AlRice) 6. 02:50 PM - Re: Boeing surplus (BYD) 7. 03:03 PM - Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (BYD) 8. 03:22 PM - Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (AlRice) 9. 03:28 PM - Re: Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (Harvey Rule) 10. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (Ben Charvet) 11. 05:39 PM - Fuel sump question (Jack) 12. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Two Air Camper projects, now Felts field (Skip Gadd) 13. 06:39 PM - Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (Jack Phillips) 14. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: Two Air Camper projects, now Felts field (Rick Holland) 15. 11:24 PM - Re: Boeing surplus (flea) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:42 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Braggin' rights There is nothing wrong about bragging on the kids. Sounds like they have the job that all of us airplane nuts would kill to have. Unfortunately, we must earn a living somehow and most of the time it doesn't include airplanes. PS: My oldest son (2 grandkids) is a Monavie big-wig. My daughter is a Georgia Tech engineer and is at General Dynamics Electric Boat (subs). And youngest son plays guitar for a living all over the US. See, I couldn't help it either! Barry Davis _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Braggin' rights I promised you guys that I would not spend a lot of time bragging about my boys and I'll try to keep that promise. BUT, this is just too exciting to hold in. SpaceShipTwo made it's first free flight / landing yesterday at Mojave, CA and both my boys are up to their armpits in the project. If you are interested you may view an admittedly promotional video of the flight at http://www.virgingalactic.com/multimedia/. Go to the videos section and view the first one in the upper left corner. This is somewhat Pietenpol related in that they are the reason I got started on this project in the first place AND they are helping me with some of the metal parts for the brake system. They are also pretty good at shaming me into getting back out in the shop and getting something done. By the way, Axel, they did not land it in the pond. GO SCALED! Rah Rah Rah Stinemetze, N328X ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:22 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Braggin' rights >>> "Barry Davis" 10/12/2010 10:30 AM >>> PS: My oldest son (2 grandkids) is a Monavie big-wig. My daughter is a Georgia Tech engineer and is at General Dynamics Electric Boat (subs). And youngest son plays guitar for a living all over the US. See, I couldn't help it either! Barry Davis Barry: Ain't that just the way? Us old far... uh.. gentlemen, have to live life through our children. Stinemetze do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:27 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Braggin' rights Barry, you have a lot to brag about. Congratulations,Gardiner ________________________________ From: Barry Davis Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 11:30:16 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Braggin' rights There is nothing wrong about bragging on the kids. Sounds like they have the job that all of us airplane nuts would kill to have. Unfortunately, we must earn a living somehow and most of the time it doesn't include airplanes. PS: My oldest son (2 grandkids) is a Monavie big-wig. My daughter is a Georgia Tech engineer and is at General Dynamics Electric Boat (subs). And youngest son plays guitar for a living all over the US. See, I couldn't help it either! Barry Davis ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Braggin' rights I promised you guys that I would not spend a lot of time bragging about my boys and I'll try to keep that promise. BUT, this is just too exciting to hold in. SpaceShipTwo made it's first free flight / landing yesterday at Mojave, CA and both my boys are up to their armpits in the project. If you are interested you may view an admittedly promotional video of the flight at http://www.virgingalactic.com/multimedia/. Go to the videos section and view the first one in the upper left corner. This is somewhat Pietenpol related in that they are the reason I got started on this project in the first place AND they are helping me with some of the metal parts for the brake system. They are also pretty good at shaming me into getting back out in the shop and getting something done. By the way, Axel, they did not land it in the pond. GO SCALED! Rah Rah Rah Stinemetze, N328X href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:44 PM PST US From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? Ok, I bought the A/C Spruce oil pressure line kit, and after I get it and start looking at the Nylo-Seal tubing, it says "max temp 212 degrees." I went with the nylon because I thought it would withstand the vibration better than copper. But the temp rating for the nylon worries me, as does something I read recently in one of Tony Bengalis's articles on the EAA site that you don't want flammable liquids running through tubing that can burn through and feed an engine fire. I feel kinda dumb with the Piet in the final stages but there's a way I can run copper tubing or Aeroquip 303 rubber braided hose. What would y'all do? Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? From: "AlRice" Definitely would not use nylo-seal or copper. Nylo-seal won't handle the heat and copper will harden and crack with the vibration. Go with the Aeroquip from the engine to the firewall. -------- Al Rice Skybolt 260 RV-9A Helping with my grandson's Pietenpol Air Camper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315472#315472 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Boeing surplus From: "BYD" > [quote="at7000ft"]Dang, so much for that Titanium sheet cowl and wheel pants I was planning for my Piet. > > do not archive You laugh, but I remember seeing Titanium sheet there along with composite honeycomb panels and other exotic supplies. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315483#315483 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? From: "BYD" My Stinson has had copper tubing primer lines since 1947 and I intend on running the same for my oil pressure gauge on the Piet I'm finishing (the exterior tubing on the Model-A is copper also) for the same reason Woodflier cited. I know of a 1929 Travelaire biplane that has copper tubing for its fuel lines (and has for years that I know of) but I don't know if they've ever been replaced due to cracking or not. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315485#315485 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? From: "AlRice" I know that older planes used copper. I restored a 1931 Great Lakes biplane that used 1/8" copper direct from the engine to the oil pressure gauge. There were lots of practices from the "old days" that have been superseded by new accepted practices, most due to failures. -------- Al Rice Skybolt 260 RV-9A Helping with my grandson's Pietenpol Air Camper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315486#315486 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:37 PM PST US From: Harvey Rule Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? I have copper on mine for oil and gas primer. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? > From: Allen@allenrice.net > Date: Tue=2C 12 Oct 2010 15:19:45 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I know that older planes used copper. I restored a 1931 Great Lakes bipla ne that used 1/8" copper direct from the engine to the oil pressure gauge. There were lots of practices from the "old days" that have been superseded by new accepted practices=2C most due to failures. > > -------- > Al Rice > Skybolt 260 > RV-9A > Helping with my grandson's Pietenpol Air Camper > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315486#315486 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:18 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? I studied this a bit when I was at that stage. From what I remember, the copper can work harden and get brittle, but that can be avoided by annealing it every few years. I ended up using 1/8 inch aluminum sold by ASS, and put a big loop on the end next to the engine. Also per Tony Bingelis recommendations, I made a small orifice in the engine side fitting, so if the oil line breaks, the leak won't be an immediate show stopper. Ben On 10/12/2010 6:26 PM, Harvey Rule wrote: > I have copper on mine for oil and gas primer. > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? > > From: Allen@allenrice.net > > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:19:45 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > > > I know that older planes used copper. I restored a 1931 Great Lakes > biplane that used 1/8" copper direct from the engine to the oil > pressure gauge. There were lots of practices from the "old days" that > have been superseded by new accepted practices, most due to failures. > > > > -------- > > Al Rice > > Skybolt 260 > > RV-9A > > Helping with my grandson's Pietenpol Air Camper > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315486#315486 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >======================= > > > > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:01 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel sump question Checked the archives and found nice email from Chuck G that was helpful, but I have another question. For my wing tank I=92m planning 2 fuel outlets, 1 front and 1 rear. On the rear edge of the tank I will also have a float gauge with a sump drain and a machined sump bowl with a drain. Since the drains and the rear fuel outlet are at the same level, I=92m wondering=85.For the fuel outlet should I extend it into the tank a =BC=94 to be above any water that may be present. I understand the drawback of decreasing my tank capacity. Any thoughts would certainly be appreciated! Thanks, Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:08 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two Air Camper projects, now Felts field Yes, he did, my dad and uncle were there and have told me so numerous times. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland Sent: 10/11/2010 12:24:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. Yes, I read somewhere that Lindbergh stopped at Felts field with the Spirit of St. Louis in 27 when touring the country. do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:25 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? I ran copper tubing. 210 hours and all's well. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Woodflier@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? Ok, I bought the A/C Spruce oil pressure line kit, and after I get it and start looking at the Nylo-Seal tubing, it says "max temp 212 degrees." I went with the nylon because I thought it would withstand the vibration better than copper. But the temp rating for the nylon worries me, as does something I read recently in one of Tony Bengalis's articles on the EAA site that you don't want flammable liquids running through tubing that can burn through and feed an engine fire. I feel kinda dumb with the Piet in the final stages but there's a way I can run copper tubing or Aeroquip 303 rubber braided hose. What would y'all do? Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two Air Camper projects, now Felts field From: Rick Holland That is really cool Skip, did they have any pictures of the event? rick On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Skip Gadd wrote: > Yes, he did, my dad and uncle were there and have told me so numerous > times. > Skip > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* 10/11/2010 12:24:18 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Two Air Camper projects for sale. > > Yes, I read somewhere that Lindbergh stopped at Felts field with the Spirit > of St. Louis in 27 when touring the country. > > do not archive > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Boeing surplus From: "flea" They have TI listed right now on the site. Its listed under bulk metal, and they say it is 33,00+ LBS. The highest bid is 250K. http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/surplus/reclamation/bidresults.html Good luck and happy bidding. Do not archive. Jim. 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