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1. 03:17 AM - Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (jeff wilson)
2. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: Boeing surplus (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (Dan Yocum)
4. 11:15 AM - Long Fuse Center Strut Fitting (K5YAC)
5. 11:41 AM - Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line?Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (Stu Brown)
6. 12:20 PM - Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line?Nylo-seal oil pressure line? (Ryan Mueller)
7. 02:29 PM - Re: Fuel sump question (Tim Willis)
8. 02:43 PM - Re: Long Fuse Center Strut Fitting (Bill Church)
9. 02:50 PM - Re: Long Fuse Center Strut Fitting (K5YAC)
10. 02:56 PM - Re: Fuel sump question (Billy McCaskill)
11. 03:39 PM - Re: Fuel sump question (Harvey Rule)
12. 06:49 PM - Re: Fuel sump question (kevinpurtee)
13. 06:57 PM - Re: Fuel sump question (Jack)
14. 08:38 PM - Re: Fuel sump question (Billy McCaskill)
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| Subject: | Nylo-seal oil pressure line? |
I also do not like the idea of any oil in the cockpit or anywhere behind th
e firewall. I bought an electronic oil sender and gauge combo from Jegs Aut
omotive. Nothing but wire from oil sender to the gauge. Cost around 40 to 5
0 bucks I think. I have not yet installed it but if it works on race cars,
I think I can make it work on on an overgrown lawnmower engine(A-65).
Jeff Wilson
N899WT(R)
St. Louis
Varnishing Fuse Now, Wings done
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Nylo-seal oil pressure line?
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| Subject: | Re: Boeing surplus |
I used to visit Boeing in Witchita, KS where-had there annual sales days
where you could buy just about anything they used on an airplane. I purchas
ed many clamps, rivet guns, parts and other supplies for pennies on the dol
lar. You could even buy a tug if you had a way to transport it of the lot!
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Although this was a few year ago and not sure they are even doing this anym
ore..
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KMHeide
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--- On Tue, 10/12/10, BYD <billsayre@ymail.com> wrote:
From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Boeing surplus
> [quote="at7000ft"]Dang, so much for that Titanium sheet cowl and wheel
pants I was planning for my Piet.
>
> do not archive
You laugh, but I remember seeing Titanium sheet there along with composite
honeycomb panels and other exotic supplies.
do not archive
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line? |
450+ hours on N8031 with a copper oil line.
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Oct 12, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I ran copper tubing. 210 hours and alls well.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Long Fuse Center Strut Fitting |
I have a question about the placement of the center strut fittings on the long
fuse. More specifically, the rear set and the placement of the instrument panel
cross struts and plywood stiffener. I understand the spacing between the front
and rear (28.75") as this is the spacing between the wing spars when measured
center to center. But, if we look at the long fuse print (below), the distance
to the front stiffener is...
15" + 6.25" + 23" + .125" (plywood seat back/instrument board) = 44.375"
This places the front cross strut right in line (and in the way) of where the rear
center strut fitting should go. I am assuming that the center strut fittings
mount as shown below (red). If so, I am a little confused about the measurements
shown in the drawings. If I choose to move the cross struts and stiffener
forward or aft, I'll make for an awful strange looking front seat and headrest
(out of alignment).
I've looked for detailed photos of this area, but so far I haven't found what I'm
looking for.
Ideas?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line?Nylo-seal oil pressure |
line?
Plastic pressure lines should not be a problem. You are compressing oil
in the line. If hot oil is flowing through the line, that would be
something different. The line temperature will be what ever the ambient
temp is.
Stu Brown
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| Subject: | Re: Nylo-seal oil pressure line?Nylo-seal oil pressure |
line?
It's engine oil....it might be a little warm. But then again, you are
compressing a liquid, so there's no telling what the temperature could be in
that particular alternate reality... ;)
Ryan
do not archive
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Stu Brown <stu_brown@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Plastic pressure lines should not be a problem. You are compressing oil in
> the line. If hot oil is flowing through the line, that would be something
> different. The line temperature will be what ever the ambient temp is.
>
> Stu Brown
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sump question |
Jack,
Having drains fore and aft is a great idea.
Re the inlet position vertically, better men than I should answer your question,
but I think you WANT to capture the water from your tank in your fuel line,
then drain it out at your low point-- the gascolator, fuel bowl, etc.
If you allow it to collect above a fitting, you may get a fair water accumulation
over time, and it could stay separated from the fuel for awhile in operation.
However imagine that it sloshes about, then enters the fuel line while
you are slipping to land but are short of the field, or you have just tilted
pre-flare for a landing, and will want a little burst of power for control, etc.
SPUT!!!
In other words your engine could sputter and die at just the wrong moment with
that setup. My 2 cents.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack
Sent: Oct 12, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel sump question
Checked the archives and found nice email from Chuck G that was helpful, but I
have another question. For my wing tank Im planning 2 fuel outlets, 1 front and
1 rear. On the rear edge of the tank I will also have a float gauge with a
sump drain and a machined sump bowl with a drain. Since the drains and the rear
fuel outlet are at the same level, Im wondering.For the fuel outlet should
I extend it into the tank a to be above any water that may be present. I understand
the drawback of decreasing my tank capacity. Any thoughts would certainly
be appreciated!
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Long Fuse Center Strut Fitting |
Mark,
Earlier this year, I built my fuselage sides, and documented what I did here:
http://mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=2535&PlaneID=510&FName=Bill&LName=Church&PlaneName=Air Camper
It isn't really clear in the plans, and I'm sure many builders have ended up with
the top cross members butting up against the metal cabane strut brackets, rather
than meeting the longeron. But, as best as I could figure it out, the cabane
strut mounting brackets should be mounted BEHIND the vertical spruce sticks.
Only the drawing for the long fuselage shows and refers to the "3/4" x 3"
filler for strut fitting". THAT is what the cabane strut mounting brackets should
be mounted to, and I believe there should also be another filler block for
the front brackets as well (to maintain correct spacing).
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Long Fuse Center Strut Fitting |
Bill, the addition of a "3/4" x 3" filler for strut fitting" to the front makes
perfect sense for proper spacing. That is what I will do... I just wanted to
make sure that I was looking at the problem correctly.
Thanks!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sump question |
Jack, I am in full agreement with Tim on this. The idea behind the drains is so
that you can get the water out instead of leaving it behind in the tank. Checking
the fuel drains for water accumulation was one of the first things on the
checklist I used on the C-150/152's I learned to fly in back in the mid-'90's.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Fuel sump question |
Isn't this what the gascolator does and it should be mounted at the lowest
point below the carb from what I understand.
> Date: Wed=2C 13 Oct 2010 16:26:18 -0500
> From: timothywillis@earthlink.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel sump question
>
.net>
>
> Jack=2C
> Having drains fore and aft is a great idea.
>
> Re the inlet position vertically=2C better men than I should answer your
question=2C but I think you WANT to capture the water from your tank in you
r fuel line=2C then drain it out at your low point-- the gascolator=2C fuel
bowl=2C etc.
> If you allow it to collect above a fitting=2C you may get a fair water ac
cumulation over time=2C and it could stay separated from the fuel for awhil
e in operation. However imagine that it sloshes about=2C then enters the fu
el line while you are slipping to land but are short of the field=2C or you
have just tilted pre-flare for a landing=2C and will want a little burst o
f power for control=2C etc. SPUT!!!
> In other words your engine could sputter and die at just the wrong moment
with that setup. My 2 cents.
> Tim in central TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack
> Sent: Oct 12=2C 2010 7:36 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel sump question
>
>
> Checked the archives and found nice email from Chuck G that was helpful
=2C but I have another question. For my wing tank I=92m planning 2 fuel out
lets=2C 1 front and 1 rear. On the rear edge of the tank I will also have a
float gauge with a sump drain and a machined sump bowl with a drain. Since
the drains and the rear fuel outlet are at the same level=2C I=92m wonderi
ng=85.For the fuel outlet should I extend it into the tank a =BC=94 to be a
bove any water that may be present. I understand the drawback of decreasing
my tank capacity. Any thoughts would certainly be appreciated!
> Thanks=2C
> Jack
> DSM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sump question |
Gascolator works great for getting water out, even after 2 monsoons at Brodhead.
--------
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Fuel sump question |
Tim, Billy and Harvey, thanks very much for your comments. Not sure I
detailed well enough. I do plan to have a gasolator with a drain (all
don=92t). Also I have two sumps in the tank to allow draining
accumulated
water hopefully before it enters the fuel line, the sump and drain at
the
bottom of my float gauge. The reason for my question initially was
because
of the design of the Stearman sump (picture attached). Note how the
sump is
below the actual intake level for the fuel. It=92s a great design but I
felt
too large for the Piet. If I can keep water out of the line before
going
through the gasolator and to the engine I think that=92s good. That=92s
all
about clear as mud.
Again I appreciate the help!
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel sump question
Checked the archives and found nice email from Chuck G that was helpful,
but
I have another question. For my wing tank I=92m planning 2 fuel
outlets, 1
front and 1 rear. On the rear edge of the tank I will also have a float
gauge with a sump drain and a machined sump bowl with a drain. Since
the
drains and the rear fuel outlet are at the same level, I=92m
wondering=85.For
the fuel outlet should I extend it into the tank a =BC=94 to be above
any water
that may be present. I understand the drawback of decreasing my tank
capacity. Any thoughts would certainly be appreciated!
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sump question |
Ah, now I see what you were talking about. A seperate small depression expressly
for catching water. This makes more sense, provided you drain this mini-sump
prior to each flight per the checklist. I can see how this setup could be
a good thing.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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