---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/26/10: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:03 AM - Re: Resaw Options (Kringle) 2. 04:28 AM - Re: Resaw Options (Dangerous Dave) 3. 04:40 AM - Re: Resaw Options (Kringle) 4. 05:02 AM - Re: Getting started (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 05:18 AM - Re: Getting started (echobravo4) 6. 06:00 AM - Re: Resaw Options (bender) 7. 06:33 AM - Re: Resaw Options (gtche98) 8. 07:12 AM - Follow up to welding 4130 (Michael Perez) 9. 08:51 AM - Re: Model A disassembly, Chapter 1 (womenfly2) 10. 09:45 AM - HP being produced? (899PM) 11. 09:56 AM - Re: HP being produced? (helspersew@aol.com) 12. 01:08 PM - Re: Resaw Options (Ben Charvet) 13. 03:42 PM - Leading edge material (Robert Perry) 14. 03:49 PM - Re: Returned Mail: Leading edge material (dpilot88@earthlink.net) 15. 04:04 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Kenneth Howe) 16. 04:04 PM - Re: Resaw Options (Dangerous Dave) 17. 04:16 PM - Mike Cuy DVD (peterk48) 18. 04:39 PM - Re: t-88 mixing tubes (shad bell) 19. 09:08 PM - Re: Leading edge material (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Resaw Options From: "Kringle" I looked at the same thing. I purchased some wood from mcmcormick but decided to save it for some of the bigger sticks needed. Ordered enough capstrip to do my ribs from aircraft Spruce last week. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317060#317060 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Resaw Options From: "Dangerous Dave" Hi,I cut all my capstrips and milled them.Takes 86 to do the 3 piece wing.I used 1 1/2- 2"x9"x6' rough cut sitka.You loose about half the wood and it takes about 4 hours.Make sure you have the grain laying correctly for a capstrip. -------- Building a Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317063#317063 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_8_14_10_005_162.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Resaw Options From: "Kringle" What is the correct grain orientation for capstrip? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317065#317065 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting started From: helspersew@aol.com Jeff, Good for you. A good start on a long, but immensely satisfying road. Keep at it little by little. I'll see you at Brodhead. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:33 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Getting started m> Well I just had to tell someone.. after having a new resaw blade made for my ntique bandsaw.. and a couple of new tires.. it roared, well, hummed to li fe nd i got 75 sticks 6 foot long and 1/2 x 1/4 cut out today.. got my jig ogether a few days ago.. i feel like i'm about to officially start uilding..big pile of saw dust Jeff :D ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317029#317029 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Getting started From: "echobravo4" kevinpurtee wrote: > Nice, congrats! There are not too many things better then popping out that first rib. > > Axel Well the LAST one feels pretty good too! do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317070#317070 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Resaw Options From: "bender" U picked up five 6 foot long 5/4 x 4 boards... ripped them just over a half inch.. then ripped each half by 5/4 piece into 1/4x1/2 .. i think i have enough..stopped counting after 80 pieces. i used a 3/4 blade with 10 teeth per inch on my band saw jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317072#317072 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Resaw Options From: "gtche98" Thanks to all for your ideas. Couple of things: John - I think you bring up a very good point about the work that goes into making your own capstrip. I may end up using McCormick for all the wood but the cap strip and just order that from aircraft spruce. Dave - I am by no means an expert, but is your grain running the right way? I would have thought you would want it running in the other direction for strength. Jeff - great info. You are the first I have heard mention 5/4 lumber. Was it a full 5/4? Did you get it from McCormick? If I could get 5/4, I would feel much more confident in resawing 3 1/4" sections out of the thickness of the board. Gary Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317076#317076 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up to welding 4130 Since reviewing the replies on here to my first 4130/SS welding post and looking around on the web, I understand now why welding the two is a bad idea. Most places I saw said then even if welding SS to SS, you should have a professional do it, if possible. (Which I am not) I thought I had heard that you cane weld metals with SS filler, maybe that started the confusion I had with welding SS to other metals. Anyhoo, the short of it is I am square now and fabricating. Thanks for the advice. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A disassembly, Chapter 1 From: "womenfly2" If the engine quits at 500 ft on takeoff, you'll wish you completely disassembled it. My "A" had a fiber gear. No issues with the teeth. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317099#317099 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: HP being produced? From: "899PM" Can anyone comment on approx HP being produced by my Model A turning a 76-42 wooden prop @ 1960 rpms? What about actual thrust? Has anyone measured thrust accurately? -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317102#317102 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: HP being produced? From: helspersew@aol.com I measured my full-power static thrust at 260 lbs with an "industrial" fis h scale. My prop is 76/46. Static RPM is 1860. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: 899PM Sent: Tue, Oct 26, 2010 11:43 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: HP being produced? Can anyone comment on approx HP being produced by my Model A turning a 76- 42 ooden prop @ 1960 rpms? What about actual thrust? Has anyone measured thrust accurately? -------- APA MIKE ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317102#317102 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:05 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Resaw Options My Piet is all Douglas Fir, but I bought 1 x 6 boards (finished out to about 3/4 in) then planed them down to 1/2 inch, then ripped the 1/4 rib caps. I bought my rib boards at Lowe's over a period of months to find the best close grained boards, and most had horizontal grain. After I cut my strips most had end grain and came out nice. Lots cheaper than ordering cap strips too. Ben On 10/25/2010 10:30 PM, gtche98 wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gtche98" > > Question for those that milled their own cap strip, or are more experienced in resawing than I am. I have been thinking lately about purchasing my spruce from McCormick in Madison, and understand that they are selling 1" thick rough cut. > > If that is the case, how many "layers" of cap strip could I resaw out of a 1" thick board? I know I could get 2. Is it possible (for an amateur) to get 3 layers? With the thickness of the band saw blade, and the need to run everything through the planner, I am worried that 3/32" of waste between layers wont be enough. See attached picture that shows what I am talking about. > > Thanks in advance for your expertise! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317044#317044 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/resaw_options_232.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:37 PM PST US From: Robert Perry Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material I am laying out my full size rib diagram for the GAU 612 airfoil and I was wondering what most people are using for leading and trailing edge material. Ready to buy some spruce and get going! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:02 PM PST US From: dpilot88@earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Returned Mail: Leading edge material I apologize for this automatic reply to your email. To control spam, I now allow incoming messages only from senders I have approved beforehand. If you would like to be added to my list of approved senders, please fill out the short request form (see link below). Once I approve you, I will receive your original message in my inbox. You do not need to resend your message. I apologize for this one-time inconvenience. Click the link below to fill out the request: https://webmail.pas.earthlink.net/wam/addme?a=dpilot88@earthlink.net&id=11df-e152-ae07b30e-adc3-002128145bba ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material From: Kenneth Howe I haven't gotten the LE/TE material yet. When the time comes I will probably look at the using a piece of molding from Home Despot (or other DIY big-box store) for the TE. It's been talked about here in the past if you search the archives. I'm not sure if the ripped section from a stair railing will work as well for the Riblett LE section as it has for people building the original Piet section. If that doesn't work then I'll probably search the lumber stacks to find some straight grain fir or hemlock and plane it to shape. Use a table saw to rip it close to shape then hand-plane it to the final contour. After finally learning how to correctly sharpen and set up a hand plane a few years ago in a class by a local furniture builder, I look forward to planing the leading edge. What better way to make some parts for your plane than with a plane? Ken On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Robert Perry wrote: > > I am laying out my full size rib diagram for the GAU 612 airfoil and I was wondering what most people are using for leading and trailing edge material. Ready to buy some spruce and get going! > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Resaw Options From: "Dangerous Dave" Hi,The grain should run as shown in the picture.The compresive strength is that way.That is how it is shown in the old CAA and FAA books,Runs just like your spar.Your wing needs compresive strength.I have seen it run the other way and it cracks along the grain lines and the ribs can split.Hope this helps.Dave -------- Building a Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317142#317142 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike Cuy DVD From: "peterk48" Since I was prompt to announce on here that my first "Cuy" DVD did not work, I think it only fair to make sure everyone knows that Mike sent me a new one today. I am enjoying it as you read. Thanks Mike -------- Pete Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317144#317144 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:36 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: t-88 mixing tubes Are they the "swirly" mixing tubes where you use epoxy cartriges, and a gun ?- We have those at work, they are nice, but would waste a lot building r ibs.- The glue sets up in the mixing tubes and they are a 1 time use.- They would be nice however doing something like the plywood sides on the fu selage. - Shad --- On Mon, 10/25/10, bcolleran wrote: From: bcolleran Subject: Pietenpol-List: t-88 mixing tubes Anyone ever use the t-88 mixing tubes that is advertised on aircraft spruce ?- I am gonna try to spend a little more time at the house vs the hangar building the ribs this winter.- I have everything cut out and would enjoy something that was not too messy to work with while sitting on the couch w atching TV with the wife. Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317031#317031 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leading edge material From: "Billy McCaskill" I did a most of the shaping of my leading and trainling edges on the tail section with a hand plane. I roughed it in close to shape on the table saw, and then finalized it with a small, very sharp and nicely tuned plane and did it in very short order. Probably a lot quicker than trying to clamp everything down and set up a router to to shape the parts. Using a sharp and tuned up hand plane is a very satisfying thing in and of itself, but even more so when using it to build airplane parts! -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317171#317171 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.