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1. 03:46 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge material (Jack)
2. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:26 AM - Flute finger holes....: Leading edge material (Jim Markle)
4. 06:02 AM - Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (taildrags)
5. 06:17 AM - Hor. Stab. Question (echobravo4)
6. 06:31 AM - Ash (tbyh@aol.com)
7. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Dan Yocum)
8. 08:43 AM - Re: Hor. Stab. Question (K5YAC)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: Ash (jeff wilson)
10. 09:03 AM - Re: Hor. Stab. Question (echobravo4)
11. 09:09 AM - Re: Hor. Stab. Question (K5YAC)
12. 10:41 AM - Okoume (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
13. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Harvey Rule)
14. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Ray Krause)
15. 12:51 PM - Re: Okoume (Michael Perez)
16. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Gary Boothe)
17. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Another Turtle Deck Question (Gary Boothe)
18. 02:40 PM - Re: Hor. Stab. Question (Jack Phillips)
19. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Ray Krause)
20. 06:01 PM - Progress (Gene Rambo)
21. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Leading edge material (Clif Dawson)
22. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Clif Dawson)
23. 08:37 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Jim Boyer)
24. 08:40 PM - Re: Resaw Options (gtche98)
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Subject: | Re: Leading edge material |
Cliff,
The flute finger hole burner...I'm lost, what is that for?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
Didn't know you where planing shavings out of the sky, did you?:-)
I have a chart of woods and their strength characteristics here;
http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html
Halfway down the page.
Clif
>
> That's probably why they call it a plane! Thanks for the info.
> Bob
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
Well, I "followed the plans" and only grew to 5'8". So I guess I will cut
you tall giant guys some slack on this one :O).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 28, 2010 7:17 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in
eality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider.
I
ave sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my
osition in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck
ront is way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation,
not
o mention the added comfort of an upper back rest.
Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't in
tend
o keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane.
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ark Chouinard
ings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Leading edge material |
:-) I know what it's for....
There aren't too many craftsmen with skills like Clif's...and one of the items
he "crafts" is a Native American Flute.
There are some pictures at: http://clifdawson.ca/FLUTES.html
I'm proud to own one of his flutes and I can tell you it's a work of art.....
Now if I could just learn to play it as well as Clif......
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
>Sent: Oct 29, 2010 5:44 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
>
>
>Cliff,
>The flute finger hole burner...I'm lost, what is that for?
>Thanks,
>Jack
>DSM
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
>Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:27 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material
>
>
>Didn't know you where planing shavings out of the sky, did you?:-)
>
>I have a chart of woods and their strength characteristics here;
>http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html
>Halfway down the page.
>
>Clif
>
>>
>> That's probably why they call it a plane! Thanks for the info.
>> Bob
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
I'm already ahead of you. I found an old SNJ canopy and fitted it to 41CC. (I
guess I should mention that I did it with paper, scissors, and glue though ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Subject: | Hor. Stab. Question |
hi everybody-
i have my horizontal stab. jigged up and ready to start gluing but
noticed that when i take what will be the bottom of the fin and lay
it on the hor. stab. that it only sits on the main beam gusset and the
3/16 ply doubler on the spar- it's not touching the leading edge
doubler.
Is that normal or have i screwed something up!?
Thanks-
Earl
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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The only places where I've used ash on my Pietenpol are in the landing gea
r legs (straight tube Jenny style gear), a couple of the crosspieces in th
e bottom of the fuselage where the landing gear attaches, and in the Model
A engine mount. Everything else is Sitka spruce. Is this the same as othe
r builders?
Fred B.
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor
of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at
Brodhead, this year.
Dan
On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"<hangar10@cox.net>
>
> I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in reality,
I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider. I have
sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my position
in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck front is
way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation, not to mention
the added comfort of an upper back rest.
>
> Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't intend
to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Hor. Stab. Question |
Hmmm, seems that the base of the vertical stab should be that same as the chord
of the horizontal stab... 18". I don't have my parts in front of me, but that
is the way the plans show it to be.
Is your Horizontal stab 18" from LE to TE? If so, how long is the base of your
vertical stab? Are you accounting for the thickness of the vertical TE and LE?
Those should be attached to the front and rear of the base material. Have
another look at the image below for clarification.
Let us know what you discover.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Yes, that is exactly how mine is and how the plans say. I have seen a lot o
f Piets and GN-1's that take a lot of liberty in basic construction of the
fuse. But the best looking are the ones closest to plans and they fly just
fine.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT(r)
St. Louis
Sackman Field - H49
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--- On Fri, 10/29/10, tbyh@aol.com <tbyh@aol.com> wrote:
From: tbyh@aol.com <tbyh@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ash
The only places where I've used-ash on my Pietenpol are in the landing ge
ar legs (straight tube Jenny style gear),-a couple of the crosspieces in
the bottom of the fuselage where the landing gear attaches, and in the Mode
l A engine mount.-Everything else is Sitka spruce. Is this the same as ot
her builders?-
-
Fred B.
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Subject: | Re: Hor. Stab. Question |
Thanks Mark;
Yep, everything is the right size, but, giving your picture the alice's restaurant
treatment (and actually just noticing it myself) the arrows are pointing
to the gaps i'm talking about.
i am thinking i could add a small piece to the bottom to the vert. stab.
to fill in upper gap at the leading edge.
Earl
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Subject: | Re: Hor. Stab. Question |
Ahhh, ok... I see what you are talking about. Yes, mine is the same way (with
the slight gap). I misread your original post... I thought you were saying that
the base of your vert stab was short...
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Received my Okoume order from- Boulter Plywood-this-past week.-I mu
st say, the =0Aquality is very good and the price was fantastic. It pays to
ask for damage wood =0Awhen looking for Okoume.-It was cheaper to order
the Okoume from Massachusetts =0Athen buying it 150 miles away! Not to ment
ioned I saved on shipping too! When =0Asheets-of wood are transported and
moved about you do get some rub down corners =0Aand slight edge damage. Ho
wever, we are cutting and trimming everything on this =0Aplace so that-di
d not bother-me at all.-I have all my Okoume and very pleased =0Awith
-Boulter Plywood.- I did mention to them I was building a-Pietenpol
=0Aand-wanted very good selections.-Boulter prices were very very good!
=0A=0AKMH=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He always
wears hats too.LOL!!!
do not archive
> Date: Fri=2C 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500
> From: yocum@fnal.gov
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
>
> I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor
> of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at
> Brodhead=2C this year.
>
> Dan
>
> On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM=2C K5YAC wrote:
> >
> > I understand Dan=2C and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans=2C b
ut in reality=2C I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to co
nsider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely re
plicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/
turtle deck front is way too low to provide for effective safety harness in
stallation=2C not to mention the added comfort of an upper back rest.
> >
> > Unfortunately=2C I have a much larger than average framework=2C but I d
on't intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane.
> >
> > --------
> > Mark Chouinard
> > Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
> >
> >
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> >
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov=2C http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference
between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? I'm
thinking about adding the additional "headrest" on top of the turtle
deck as seen on some open cockpit planes since I, too, am 6'4" tall.
Already raised the turtle deck 4" on the Sky Scout for the seat belts.
Ray Krause,
Colusa, CA.
Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along.
----- Original Message -----
From: Harvey Rule
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument
Panels
I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He
always wears hats too.LOL!!!
do not archive
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500
> From: yocum@fnal.gov
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument
Panels
>
> I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety
factor
> of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took
at
> Brodhead, this year.
>
> Dan
>
> On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> >
> > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans,
but in reality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to
consider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should
closely replicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that the
rear seat back/turtle deck front is way too low to provide for effective
safety harness installation, not to mention the added comfort of an
upper back rest.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I
don't intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane.
> >
> > --------
> > Mark Chouinard
> > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on
Fuselage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357
> >
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>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty
things."
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That's the place I use as well and have had very good luck with them.
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
Ray,
You sneaky devil! You're really making progress.
I don't know the answer to your question, but attached is living proof that
the Piet still flies with plywood covering! Dick has an advantage of plenty
of engine weight & horsepower.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference
between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? I'm thinking
about adding the additional "headrest" on top of the turtle deck as seen on
some open cockpit planes since I, too, am 6'4" tall. Already raised the
turtle deck 4" on the Sky Scout for the seat belts.
Ray Krause,
Colusa, CA.
Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along.
----- Original Message -----
From: Harvey Rule <mailto:harvey.rule@bell.net>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He always
wears hats too.LOL!!!
do not archive
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500
> From: yocum@fnal.gov
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
>
> I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor
> of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at
> Brodhead, this year.
>
> Dan
>
> On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> >
> > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in
reality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider. I
have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my
position in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck
front is way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation,
not to mention the added comfort of an upper back rest.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't
intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane.
> >
> > --------
> > Mark Chouinard
> > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357
> >
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> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Another Turtle Deck Question |
Lowell,
I'm not sure you were directing that comment to me, but assuming that you
were, since I was the only one who recently posted a pic of the tail
section, thanks for pointing that out. It certainly got me to thinking last
night...kept me awake all night! Today I was eager to get my work done so
that I could check on your concerns.
It's hard to see in the picture, but I do have springs that give at full
deflection, and the rudder does fully deflect. In fact, I will have to
incorporate some stops.
Thanks again (for keeping me up all night ;-)),
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Turtle Deck Question
<Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
May I ask a question,
How are you controlling your rudder and tail wheel ? If by the same rudder
cables, are the rudder and tail wheel control arms the same length ? as they
must turn equal radius to get full rudder control. If the tail wheel arms
are shorter the rudder will not swing fully.
Pieti Lowell
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Subject: | Hor. Stab. Question |
You may not have gone where you intended to go...
Doublers need to be added at several points on the horizontal stabilizer in
order to make things come out right.
See below:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of echobravo4
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hor. Stab. Question
hi everybody-
i have my horizontal stab. jigged up and ready to start gluing but
noticed that when i take what will be the bottom of the fin and lay
it on the hor. stab. that it only sits on the main beam gusset and the
3/16 ply doubler on the spar- it's not touching the leading edge
doubler.
Is that normal or have i screwed something up!?
Thanks-
Earl
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
where I intended to be.
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
Gary,
I have not been working on the Sky Scout for all summer, but am about to
start in again. Unfortunately, my wife has me painting the kitchen,
pantry and back porch...before I can play!
I think I saw that Piet at OSH this year, or last; but did not remember
it. I will be using the re-built A65 on the Sky Scout. It is lighter
than the Camper and carries only one person, so maybe there is some
margin there for some weight extravagance. Looks like Dick used 1/8" on
the sides, maybe on the top, too? Is the tail section covered in wood?
Maybe it is just a great paint job. Is his plane featured in the West
Coast Piets? I well check.
Thanks. I am following all your comments and pictures on your plane....
great job!
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument
Panels
Ray,
You sneaky devil! You're really making progress.
I don't know the answer to your question, but attached is living proof
that the Piet still flies with plywood covering! Dick has an advantage
of plenty of engine weight & horsepower.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:37 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument
Panels
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference
between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? I'm
thinking about adding the additional "headrest" on top of the turtle
deck as seen on some open cockpit planes since I, too, am 6'4" tall.
Already raised the turtle deck 4" on the Sky Scout for the seat belts.
Ray Krause,
Colusa, CA.
Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along.
----- Original Message -----
From: Harvey Rule
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument
Panels
I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He
always wears hats too.LOL!!!
do not archive
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500
> From: yocum@fnal.gov
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument
Panels
>
> I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety
factor
> of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took
at
> Brodhead, this year.
>
> Dan
>
> On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> >
> > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the
plans, but in reality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't
have to consider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that
should closely replicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that
the rear seat back/turtle deck front is way too low to provide for
effective safety harness installation, not to mention the added comfort
of an upper back rest.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but
I don't intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane.
> >
> > --------
> > Mark Chouinard
> > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on
Fuselage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty
things."
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Just thought I'd post my progress: When Jack Phillips came up a few weeks
ago=2C we finalized all of the assembly and rigging and I think Jack posted
photos. We just did start glueing fabric. Since then=2C I have covered t
he one-piece wing and shrunk it. Today=2C I spent the whole day brushing o
n the first coat of nitrate dope. Needless to say=2C I am high as a kite r
ight now!!! I have snapped chalk lines and pre-punched all of the rib stit
ching holes. Unfortunately=2C I am going away until next wednesday (have V
IP tix to see the shuttle launch up close!)=2C so it will be next thursday
before I can start rib stitching. Looking forward to re-learning that art!
Just as a note=2C I am using the glider-weight ceconite fabric and Randolph
dope for the finish. After seeing Dan Helsper's airplane and talking to h
im=2C I decided to use the Stewart System water-based glue. It really work
s fantastic! Sticks well and easily=2C no smell=2C easy clean up=2C VERY e
asy to work with. After I was done with the wing=2C I called Stuart and ta
lked to them. I asked if anyone had used their glue with dope. I expected
an objection=2C but they said "sure=2C lots of people=2C there is no probl
em with it=2C it works fine and the dope does not touch it (which I had alr
eady determined before I started)."
I am hoping to get the wing stitched and taped before it gets too cold (fir
st light freeze tonight)=2C and maybe get the fuselage covered and shrunk.
The tail surfaces and ailerons I can do in my house this winter since the
glue does not smell. Hopefully when it gets warm next spring I will be rea
dy to spray everything.
Gene Rambo
Model A
Cloudcars scimitar prop
short fuselage
Jenny gear
wire wheels (no brakes)
one-piece wing (no flop)
is that everything?
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Subject: | Re: Leading edge material |
Hi Jack. I make Native American Style flutes. The holes
your fingers cover and open to make different notes are
first drilled to a base size of 3/16" then made larger as
needed to bring the note up to whatever it is for that
hole by burning it larger, little by little until it's right.
Clif
CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca
do not archive
> Cliff,
> The flute finger hole burner...I'm lost, what is that for?
> Thanks,
> Jack
> DSM
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
I have an old Poly-Fiber sheet here that says witth two coats polybrush,
three of
polyspray and three of polytone, 1.7oz fabric weighs 1.4oz / ft=B2 .
>From my "Aircraft Materials and Processes" 1937, birch 1/16 ply=
4oz/ft=B2 and
mahogany about three oz. This before paint.
These are out of books of course so your mileage may vary. :-)
Clif
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference
between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood?
Ray Krause,
Colusa, CA.
Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along.
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
Hi Ray,
I saw Dick's new Piet last year at Brodhead and he said it actually had two layers
of plywood over the turtledeck; didn't intend it to be that way but thats
what happened due to epoxy problems if I remember right. It looks beautiful however
and is very well done.
Jim Boyer
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:27:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
Gary,
I have not been working on the Sky Scout for all summer, but am about to start
in again. Unfortunately, my wife has me painting the kitchen, pantry and back
porch...before I can play!
I think I saw that Piet at OSH this year, or last; but did not remember it. I will
be using the re-built A65 on the Sky Scout. It is lighter than the Camper
and carries only one person, so maybe there is some margin there for some weight
extravagance. Looks like Dick used 1/8" on the sides, maybe on the top, too?
Is the tail section covered in wood? Maybe it is just a great paint job. Is
his plane featured in the West Coast Piets? I well check.
Thanks. I am following all your comments and pictures on your plane.... great job!
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
Ray,
You sneaky devil! Youre really making progress
I dont know the answer to your question, but attached is living proof that the
Piet still flies with plywood covering! Dick has an advantage of plenty of engine
weight & horsepower
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion,Running!
Tail done,Fuselageon gear
(22 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference between
covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? I'm thinking about adding
the additional "headrest" on top of the turtle deck as seen on some open cockpit
planes since I, too, am 6'4" tall. Already raised the turtle deck 4" on
the Sky Scout for the seat belts.
Ray Krause,
Colusa , CA .
Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along.
----- Original Message -----
From: Harvey Rule
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He always wears
hats too.LOL!!!
do not archive
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500
> From: yocum@fnal.gov
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
>
> I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor
> of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at
> Brodhead, this year.
>
> Dan
>
> On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> >
> > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in reality,
I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider. I have
sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my position
in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck front is
way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation, not to mention
the added comfort of an upper back rest.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't intend
to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane.
> >
> > --------
> > Mark Chouinard
> > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
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Subject: | Re: Resaw Options |
Jon - I agree with you that the band saw is the only way to go to re-saw. Fortunately
I have a Delta band saw that will do just the trick. Thanks for the link
to Highland Hardware. I used to love visiting that store in person when I
lived in Atlanta.
Having said that, I don't think my original plan to get 3 slices of cap strip out
of a 1" board is going to work. The spruce will be quartersawn, correct?
If that is the case, then I will need to cut the 1/2" side of the cap strip out
of the thickness of the board to get the grain to run in the right direction.
If I can find 5/4 lumber, I could get 2 cap strips out of the thickness of
the board.
The more I think about it, the more I think that I may just get the cap strip from
Aircraft Spruce, and get the remaining lumber from McCormick.
Someone please set me straight if I am not thinking about this correctly.
Gary
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