---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/29/10: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:46 AM - Re: Re: Leading edge material (Jack) 2. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:26 AM - Flute finger holes....: Leading edge material (Jim Markle) 4. 06:02 AM - Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (taildrags) 5. 06:17 AM - Hor. Stab. Question (echobravo4) 6. 06:31 AM - Ash (tbyh@aol.com) 7. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Dan Yocum) 8. 08:43 AM - Re: Hor. Stab. Question (K5YAC) 9. 08:50 AM - Re: Ash (jeff wilson) 10. 09:03 AM - Re: Hor. Stab. Question (echobravo4) 11. 09:09 AM - Re: Hor. Stab. Question (K5YAC) 12. 10:41 AM - Okoume (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 13. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Harvey Rule) 14. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Ray Krause) 15. 12:51 PM - Re: Okoume (Michael Perez) 16. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Gary Boothe) 17. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Another Turtle Deck Question (Gary Boothe) 18. 02:40 PM - Re: Hor. Stab. Question (Jack Phillips) 19. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Ray Krause) 20. 06:01 PM - Progress (Gene Rambo) 21. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Leading edge material (Clif Dawson) 22. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Clif Dawson) 23. 08:37 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Jim Boyer) 24. 08:40 PM - Re: Resaw Options (gtche98) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:41 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material Cliff, The flute finger hole burner...I'm lost, what is that for? Thanks, Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material Didn't know you where planing shavings out of the sky, did you?:-) I have a chart of woods and their strength characteristics here; http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html Halfway down the page. Clif > > That's probably why they call it a plane! Thanks for the info. > Bob ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels From: helspersew@aol.com Well, I "followed the plans" and only grew to 5'8". So I guess I will cut you tall giant guys some slack on this one :O). Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: K5YAC Sent: Thu, Oct 28, 2010 7:17 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in eality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider. I ave sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my osition in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck ront is way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation, not o mention the added comfort of an upper back rest. Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't in tend o keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane. -------- ark Chouinard ings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357 ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:45 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Flute finger holes....: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material :-) I know what it's for.... There aren't too many craftsmen with skills like Clif's...and one of the items he "crafts" is a Native American Flute. There are some pictures at: http://clifdawson.ca/FLUTES.html I'm proud to own one of his flutes and I can tell you it's a work of art..... Now if I could just learn to play it as well as Clif...... jm -----Original Message----- >From: Jack >Sent: Oct 29, 2010 5:44 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material > > >Cliff, >The flute finger hole burner...I'm lost, what is that for? >Thanks, >Jack >DSM > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson >Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:27 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material > > >Didn't know you where planing shavings out of the sky, did you?:-) > >I have a chart of woods and their strength characteristics here; >http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html >Halfway down the page. > >Clif > >> >> That's probably why they call it a plane! Thanks for the info. >> Bob > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels From: "taildrags" I'm already ahead of you. I found an old SNJ canopy and fitted it to 41CC. (I guess I should mention that I did it with paper, scissors, and glue though ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317393#317393 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/greenhouse2_169.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hor. Stab. Question From: "echobravo4" hi everybody- i have my horizontal stab. jigged up and ready to start gluing but noticed that when i take what will be the bottom of the fin and lay it on the hor. stab. that it only sits on the main beam gusset and the 3/16 ply doubler on the spar- it's not touching the leading edge doubler. Is that normal or have i screwed something up!? Thanks- Earl -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317394#317394 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ash From: tbyh@aol.com The only places where I've used ash on my Pietenpol are in the landing gea r legs (straight tube Jenny style gear), a couple of the crosspieces in th e bottom of the fuselage where the landing gear attaches, and in the Model A engine mount. Everything else is Sitka spruce. Is this the same as othe r builders? Fred B. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:11 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at Brodhead, this year. Dan On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" > > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in reality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck front is way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation, not to mention the added comfort of an upper back rest. > > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hor. Stab. Question From: "K5YAC" Hmmm, seems that the base of the vertical stab should be that same as the chord of the horizontal stab... 18". I don't have my parts in front of me, but that is the way the plans show it to be. Is your Horizontal stab 18" from LE to TE? If so, how long is the base of your vertical stab? Are you accounting for the thickness of the vertical TE and LE? Those should be attached to the front and rear of the base material. Have another look at the image below for clarification. Let us know what you discover. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317405#317405 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/vert_stab_152.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:33 AM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ash Yes, that is exactly how mine is and how the plans say. I have seen a lot o f Piets and GN-1's that take a lot of liberty in basic construction of the fuse. But the best looking are the ones closest to plans and they fly just fine. Jeff Wilson N899WT(r) St. Louis Sackman Field - H49 - Do Not Archive --- On Fri, 10/29/10, tbyh@aol.com wrote: From: tbyh@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ash The only places where I've used-ash on my Pietenpol are in the landing ge ar legs (straight tube Jenny style gear),-a couple of the crosspieces in the bottom of the fuselage where the landing gear attaches, and in the Mode l A engine mount.-Everything else is Sitka spruce. Is this the same as ot her builders?- - Fred B. - - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hor. Stab. Question From: "echobravo4" Thanks Mark; Yep, everything is the right size, but, giving your picture the alice's restaurant treatment (and actually just noticing it myself) the arrows are pointing to the gaps i'm talking about. i am thinking i could add a small piece to the bottom to the vert. stab. to fill in upper gap at the leading edge. Earl -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317407#317407 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hor. Stab. Question From: "K5YAC" Ahhh, ok... I see what you are talking about. Yes, mine is the same way (with the slight gap). I misread your original post... I thought you were saying that the base of your vert stab was short... -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317409#317409 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:47 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Pietenpol-List: Okoume Received my Okoume order from- Boulter Plywood-this-past week.-I mu st say, the =0Aquality is very good and the price was fantastic. It pays to ask for damage wood =0Awhen looking for Okoume.-It was cheaper to order the Okoume from Massachusetts =0Athen buying it 150 miles away! Not to ment ioned I saved on shipping too! When =0Asheets-of wood are transported and moved about you do get some rub down corners =0Aand slight edge damage. Ho wever, we are cutting and trimming everything on this =0Aplace so that-di d not bother-me at all.-I have all my Okoume and very pleased =0Awith -Boulter Plywood.- I did mention to them I was building a-Pietenpol =0Aand-wanted very good selections.-Boulter prices were very very good! =0A=0AKMH=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:46 PM PST US From: Harvey Rule Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He always wears hats too.LOL!!! do not archive > Date: Fri=2C 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500 > From: yocum@fnal.gov > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels > > I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor > of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at > Brodhead=2C this year. > > Dan > > On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM=2C K5YAC wrote: > > > > I understand Dan=2C and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans=2C b ut in reality=2C I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to co nsider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely re plicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/ turtle deck front is way too low to provide for effective safety harness in stallation=2C not to mention the added comfort of an upper back rest. > > > > Unfortunately=2C I have a much larger than average framework=2C but I d on't intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane. > > > > -------- > > Mark Chouinard > > Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov=2C http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:12 PM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? I'm thinking about adding the additional "headrest" on top of the turtle deck as seen on some open cockpit planes since I, too, am 6'4" tall. Already raised the turtle deck 4" on the Sky Scout for the seat belts. Ray Krause, Colusa, CA. Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harvey Rule To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He always wears hats too.LOL!!! do not archive > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500 > From: yocum@fnal.gov > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels > > I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor > of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at > Brodhead, this year. > > Dan > > On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > > > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in reality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck front is way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation, not to mention the added comfort of an upper back rest. > > > > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane. > > > > -------- > > Mark Chouinard > > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:26 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Okoume That's the place I use as well and have had very good luck with them. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:39 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Ray, You sneaky devil! You're really making progress. I don't know the answer to your question, but attached is living proof that the Piet still flies with plywood covering! Dick has an advantage of plenty of engine weight & horsepower. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (22 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? I'm thinking about adding the additional "headrest" on top of the turtle deck as seen on some open cockpit planes since I, too, am 6'4" tall. Already raised the turtle deck 4" on the Sky Scout for the seat belts. Ray Krause, Colusa, CA. Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harvey Rule Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He always wears hats too.LOL!!! do not archive > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500 > From: yocum@fnal.gov > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels > > I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor > of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at > Brodhead, this year. > > Dan > > On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > > > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in reality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck front is way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation, not to mention the added comfort of an upper back rest. > > > > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane. > > > > -------- > > Mark Chouinard > > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:45 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Turtle Deck Question Lowell, I'm not sure you were directing that comment to me, but assuming that you were, since I was the only one who recently posted a pic of the tail section, thanks for pointing that out. It certainly got me to thinking last night...kept me awake all night! Today I was eager to get my work done so that I could check on your concerns. It's hard to see in the picture, but I do have springs that give at full deflection, and the rudder does fully deflect. In fact, I will have to incorporate some stops. Thanks again (for keeping me up all night ;-)), Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (22 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Turtle Deck Question May I ask a question, How are you controlling your rudder and tail wheel ? If by the same rudder cables, are the rudder and tail wheel control arms the same length ? as they must turn equal radius to get full rudder control. If the tail wheel arms are shorter the rudder will not swing fully. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317372#317372 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:04 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hor. Stab. Question You may not have gone where you intended to go... Doublers need to be added at several points on the horizontal stabilizer in order to make things come out right. See below: Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of echobravo4 Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hor. Stab. Question hi everybody- i have my horizontal stab. jigged up and ready to start gluing but noticed that when i take what will be the bottom of the fin and lay it on the hor. stab. that it only sits on the main beam gusset and the 3/16 ply doubler on the spar- it's not touching the leading edge doubler. Is that normal or have i screwed something up!? Thanks- Earl -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317394#317394 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:22 PM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Gary, I have not been working on the Sky Scout for all summer, but am about to start in again. Unfortunately, my wife has me painting the kitchen, pantry and back porch...before I can play! I think I saw that Piet at OSH this year, or last; but did not remember it. I will be using the re-built A65 on the Sky Scout. It is lighter than the Camper and carries only one person, so maybe there is some margin there for some weight extravagance. Looks like Dick used 1/8" on the sides, maybe on the top, too? Is the tail section covered in wood? Maybe it is just a great paint job. Is his plane featured in the West Coast Piets? I well check. Thanks. I am following all your comments and pictures on your plane.... great job! Ray Krause ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Ray, You sneaky devil! You're really making progress. I don't know the answer to your question, but attached is living proof that the Piet still flies with plywood covering! Dick has an advantage of plenty of engine weight & horsepower. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (22 ribs down.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:37 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? I'm thinking about adding the additional "headrest" on top of the turtle deck as seen on some open cockpit planes since I, too, am 6'4" tall. Already raised the turtle deck 4" on the Sky Scout for the seat belts. Ray Krause, Colusa, CA. Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harvey Rule To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He always wears hats too.LOL!!! do not archive > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500 > From: yocum@fnal.gov > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels > > I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor > of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at > Brodhead, this year. > > Dan > > On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > > > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in reality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck front is way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation, not to mention the added comfort of an upper back rest. > > > > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane. > > > > -------- > > Mark Chouinard > > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:03 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress Just thought I'd post my progress: When Jack Phillips came up a few weeks ago=2C we finalized all of the assembly and rigging and I think Jack posted photos. We just did start glueing fabric. Since then=2C I have covered t he one-piece wing and shrunk it. Today=2C I spent the whole day brushing o n the first coat of nitrate dope. Needless to say=2C I am high as a kite r ight now!!! I have snapped chalk lines and pre-punched all of the rib stit ching holes. Unfortunately=2C I am going away until next wednesday (have V IP tix to see the shuttle launch up close!)=2C so it will be next thursday before I can start rib stitching. Looking forward to re-learning that art! Just as a note=2C I am using the glider-weight ceconite fabric and Randolph dope for the finish. After seeing Dan Helsper's airplane and talking to h im=2C I decided to use the Stewart System water-based glue. It really work s fantastic! Sticks well and easily=2C no smell=2C easy clean up=2C VERY e asy to work with. After I was done with the wing=2C I called Stuart and ta lked to them. I asked if anyone had used their glue with dope. I expected an objection=2C but they said "sure=2C lots of people=2C there is no probl em with it=2C it works fine and the dope does not touch it (which I had alr eady determined before I started)." I am hoping to get the wing stitched and taped before it gets too cold (fir st light freeze tonight)=2C and maybe get the fuselage covered and shrunk. The tail surfaces and ailerons I can do in my house this winter since the glue does not smell. Hopefully when it gets warm next spring I will be rea dy to spray everything. Gene Rambo Model A Cloudcars scimitar prop short fuselage Jenny gear wire wheels (no brakes) one-piece wing (no flop) is that everything? ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:36 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge material Hi Jack. I make Native American Style flutes. The holes your fingers cover and open to make different notes are first drilled to a base size of 3/16" then made larger as needed to bring the note up to whatever it is for that hole by burning it larger, little by little until it's right. Clif CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca do not archive > Cliff, > The flute finger hole burner...I'm lost, what is that for? > Thanks, > Jack > DSM ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:43 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I have an old Poly-Fiber sheet here that says witth two coats polybrush, three of polyspray and three of polytone, 1.7oz fabric weighs 1.4oz / ft=B2 . >From my "Aircraft Materials and Processes" 1937, birch 1/16 ply= 4oz/ft=B2 and mahogany about three oz. This before paint. These are out of books of course so your mileage may vary. :-) Clif Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? Ray Krause, Colusa, CA. Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:38 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Hi Ray, I saw Dick's new Piet last year at Brodhead and he said it actually had two layers of plywood over the turtledeck; didn't intend it to be that way but thats what happened due to epoxy problems if I remember right. It looks beautiful however and is very well done. Jim Boyer Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Krause" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:27:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Gary, I have not been working on the Sky Scout for all summer, but am about to start in again. Unfortunately, my wife has me painting the kitchen, pantry and back porch...before I can play! I think I saw that Piet at OSH this year, or last; but did not remember it. I will be using the re-built A65 on the Sky Scout. It is lighter than the Camper and carries only one person, so maybe there is some margin there for some weight extravagance. Looks like Dick used 1/8" on the sides, maybe on the top, too? Is the tail section covered in wood? Maybe it is just a great paint job. Is his plane featured in the West Coast Piets? I well check. Thanks. I am following all your comments and pictures on your plane.... great job! Ray Krause ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Ray, You sneaky devil! Youre really making progress I dont know the answer to your question, but attached is living proof that the Piet still flies with plywood covering! Dick has an advantage of plenty of engine weight & horsepower Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion,Running! Tail done,Fuselageon gear (22 ribs down) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? I'm thinking about adding the additional "headrest" on top of the turtle deck as seen on some open cockpit planes since I, too, am 6'4" tall. Already raised the turtle deck 4" on the Sky Scout for the seat belts. Ray Krause, Colusa , CA . Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harvey Rule Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He always wears hats too.LOL!!! do not archive > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500 > From: yocum@fnal.gov > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels > > I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor > of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at > Brodhead, this year. > > Dan > > On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > > > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in reality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck front is way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation, not to mention the added comfort of an upper back rest. > > > > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane. > > > > -------- > > Mark Chouinard > > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Resaw Options From: "gtche98" Jon - I agree with you that the band saw is the only way to go to re-saw. Fortunately I have a Delta band saw that will do just the trick. Thanks for the link to Highland Hardware. I used to love visiting that store in person when I lived in Atlanta. Having said that, I don't think my original plan to get 3 slices of cap strip out of a 1" board is going to work. The spruce will be quartersawn, correct? If that is the case, then I will need to cut the 1/2" side of the cap strip out of the thickness of the board to get the grain to run in the right direction. If I can find 5/4 lumber, I could get 2 cap strips out of the thickness of the board. The more I think about it, the more I think that I may just get the cap strip from Aircraft Spruce, and get the remaining lumber from McCormick. Someone please set me straight if I am not thinking about this correctly. 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