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1. 10:30 AM - Piet 4 Sale (TriScout)
2. 03:23 PM - Re: Resaw Options (Bill Church)
3. 05:11 PM - new Piet on the block (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Ray Krause)
5. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Ray Krause)
6. 09:23 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Gary Boothe)
7. 11:43 PM - Re: new Piet on the block (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
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Saw a Piet for sale in Atlantic Flyer (online). Covered, ready to assemble w/65
Conti. $5k... incase someone would like to know. Forgot exact address..google
it, then hit 'home' to get to current issue. Might be worth the price for parts
alone.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317505#317505
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| Subject: | Re: Resaw Options |
The ribs are very sturdy as per plans. Some say that they are overdesigned. Provided
that you are using Sitka, or a wood with similar strength, the capstrips
for the ribs can be made a little bit narrower. So, if you can get 7/16" wide
capstrips out of your boards, you should be okay. The ribs would still be stronger
than ribs made from 1/4" x 1/2" Western Red Cedar - which many Piets have
flow quite successfully with.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317525#317525
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| Subject: | new Piet on the block |
Howdy, Pieters;
Well, we've got a new Piet on our field... just arrived.
Apparently it has sat in a hangar or barn for quite some
time because it's looking pretty dusty and sad, but it has
promise. The airplane is tail number N3379 and has some
interesting features... streamlined wires for the tail braces,
wing centersection tank as well as a nose tank, fairly full
panel, canvas seat (which I'm already envying), and other
stuff. The wings and struts are off of it since it seems to
have been trailered to its new home. Engine looks to be an
A65 and the registration search seems to confirm that. It
has split gear with bungees and the bungees are long gone.
It was registered in 1974 and looks about that vintage.
I'll have to go back and get a better look at it,but the new
owner is an A&P with plenty of time on his hands, so I hope
the bird gets stripped down to the bare bones and gets a
restoration. It's what this same gent did for an Ercoupe and
it is a beautiful little restoration that is a joy to watch
in the air.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
Cliff,
That is a big difference is weight. I did not even imagine it would be
that much. I guess that "shows to go you" that every little change
really increases the weight.
Thanks so much for taking the time to look up this information.... guess
I could have done it myself. Just think, every extra gusset placed on
the plane is probably an extra ounce, plus the weight of the glue. We
might want to keep that in mind.
Thanks again!
Thanks and fly SAFELY,
Ray Krause
Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle
modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder,
Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 227 hrs.
Also building the Sky Scout.. time table is SLOW!
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument
Panels
I have an old Poly-Fiber sheet here that says witth two coats
polybrush, three of
polyspray and three of polytone, 1.7oz fabric weighs 1.4oz / ft=B2 .
From my "Aircraft Materials and Processes" 1937, birch 1/16 ply=
4oz/ft=B2 and
mahogany about three oz. This before paint.
These are out of books of course so your mileage may vary. :-)
Clif
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight
difference between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16"
plywood?
Ray Krause,
Colusa, CA.
Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along.
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
Jim,
Based on Cliff's reply, one layer might add about 2 pounds, but I am just
guessing on the square footage. But if I put the extra headrest on, it
might need at least some firm footing. Maybe just under the headrest, with
a 1-2" lip to attach the fabric? After I finish the metal parts on the
front of the fuselage, I will attack the headrest.
Nice to hear about all your progress on your Piet. Sorry I missed you guys
this last Summer.
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Boyer" <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
>
> Hi Ray,
> I saw Dick's new Piet last year at Brodhead and he said it actually had
> two layers of plywood over the turtledeck; didn't intend it to be that way
> but thats what happened due to epoxy problems if I remember right. It
> looks beautiful however and is very well done.
> Jim Boyer
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause@frontiernet.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:27:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
>
>
> Gary,
>
> I have not been working on the Sky Scout for all summer, but am about to
> start in again. Unfortunately, my wife has me painting the kitchen, pantry
> and back porch...before I can play!
>
> I think I saw that Piet at OSH this year, or last; but did not remember
> it. I will be using the re-built A65 on the Sky Scout. It is lighter than
> the Camper and carries only one person, so maybe there is some margin
> there for some weight extravagance. Looks like Dick used 1/8" on the
> sides, maybe on the top, too? Is the tail section covered in wood? Maybe
> it is just a great paint job. Is his plane featured in the West Coast
> Piets? I well check.
>
> Thanks. I am following all your comments and pictures on your plane....
> great job!
>
> Ray Krause
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Boothe
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
>
>
> Ray,
>
>
> You sneaky devil! Youre really making progress
>
>
> I dont know the answer to your question, but attached is living proof
> that the Piet still flies with plywood covering! Dick has an advantage of
> plenty of engine weight & horsepower
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (22 ribs down)
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:37 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
>
>
> Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference
> between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? I'm
> thinking about adding the additional "headrest" on top of the turtle deck
> as seen on some open cockpit planes since I, too, am 6'4" tall. Already
> raised the turtle deck 4" on the Sky Scout for the seat belts.
>
>
> Ray Krause,
>
>
> Colusa , CA .
>
>
> Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: Harvey Rule
>
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:09 PM
>
>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
>
>
> I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He
> always wears hats too.LOL!!!
> do not archive
>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500
>> From: yocum@fnal.gov
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
>>
>> I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor
>> of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at
>> Brodhead, this year.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>> >
>> > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but
>> > in reality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to
>> > consider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should
>> > closely replicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that the
>> > rear seat back/turtle deck front is way too low to provide for
>> > effective safety harness installation, not to mention the added comfort
>> > of an upper back rest.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't
>> > intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane.
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Mark Chouinard
>> > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Dan Yocum
>> Fermilab 630.840.6509
>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
I doubt if Cliff looked it up=85.he just knows stuff!
Gary Boothe
do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
Cliff,
That is a big difference is weight. I did not even imagine it would be
that
much. I guess that "shows to go you" that every little change really
increases the weight.
Thanks so much for taking the time to look up this information.... guess
I
could have done it myself. Just think, every extra gusset placed on the
plane is probably an extra ounce, plus the weight of the glue. We might
want to keep that in mind.
Thanks again!
Thanks and fly SAFELY,
Ray Krause
Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle
modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder,
Garmin
Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 227 hrs.
Also building the Sky Scout.. time table is SLOW!
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson <mailto:CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
I have an old Poly-Fiber sheet here that says witth two coats polybrush,
three of
polyspray and three of polytone, 1.7oz fabric weighs 1.4oz / ft=B2 .
>From my "Aircraft Materials and Processes" 1937, birch 1/16 ply=
4oz/ft=B2 and
mahogany about three oz. This before paint.
These are out of books of course so your mileage may vary. :-)
Clif
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference
between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood?
Ray Krause,
Colusa, CA.
Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along.
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| Subject: | Re: new Piet on the block |
Oscar,=0A=0AYou must take some photos and share with the list! Nothing bett
er than to eye up =0Aanother bird!=0A=0AKen=0A-=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0A
2010 7:09:04 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: new Piet on the block=0A=0A--> P
ietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0A=0A
=0AHowdy, Pieters;=0A=0AWell, we've got a new Piet on our field... just arr
ived.=0AApparently it has sat in a hangar or barn for quite some=0Atime bec
ause it's looking pretty dusty and sad, but it has=0Apromise.- The airpla
ne is tail number N3379 and has some=0Ainteresting features... streamlined
wires for the tail braces,=0Awing centersection tank as well as a nose tank
, fairly full=0Apanel, canvas seat (which I'm already envying), and other
=0Astuff.- The wings and struts are off of it since it seems to=0Ahave be
en trailered to its new home.- Engine looks to be an=0AA65 and the regist
ration search seems to confirm that.- It=0Ahas split gear with bungees an
d the bungees are long gone.=0AIt was registered in 1974 and looks about th
at vintage.=0A=0AI'll have to go back and get a better look at it,but the n
ew=0Aowner is an A&P with plenty of time on his hands, so I hope=0Athe bird
gets stripped down to the bare bones and gets a=0Arestoration.- It's wha
t this same gent did for an Ercoupe and=0Ait is a beautiful little restorat
ion that is a joy to watch=0Ain the air.=0A=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAir Camper NX4
1CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amailto: taildrags@hotmail.com=0Awebsite at http://w
ww.flysquirrel.net --- --- --- - --- ---
===================0A=0A=0A
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