---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/30/10: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:30 AM - Piet 4 Sale (TriScout) 2. 03:23 PM - Re: Resaw Options (Bill Church) 3. 05:11 PM - new Piet on the block (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Ray Krause) 5. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Ray Krause) 6. 09:23 PM - Re: Re: Fw: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels (Gary Boothe) 7. 11:43 PM - Re: new Piet on the block (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet 4 Sale From: "TriScout" Saw a Piet for sale in Atlantic Flyer (online). Covered, ready to assemble w/65 Conti. $5k... incase someone would like to know. Forgot exact address..google it, then hit 'home' to get to current issue. Might be worth the price for parts alone. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317505#317505 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Resaw Options From: "Bill Church" The ribs are very sturdy as per plans. Some say that they are overdesigned. Provided that you are using Sitka, or a wood with similar strength, the capstrips for the ribs can be made a little bit narrower. So, if you can get 7/16" wide capstrips out of your boards, you should be okay. The ribs would still be stronger than ribs made from 1/4" x 1/2" Western Red Cedar - which many Piets have flow quite successfully with. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317525#317525 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:24 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: new Piet on the block Howdy, Pieters; Well, we've got a new Piet on our field... just arrived. Apparently it has sat in a hangar or barn for quite some time because it's looking pretty dusty and sad, but it has promise. The airplane is tail number N3379 and has some interesting features... streamlined wires for the tail braces, wing centersection tank as well as a nose tank, fairly full panel, canvas seat (which I'm already envying), and other stuff. The wings and struts are off of it since it seems to have been trailered to its new home. Engine looks to be an A65 and the registration search seems to confirm that. It has split gear with bungees and the bungees are long gone. It was registered in 1974 and looks about that vintage. I'll have to go back and get a better look at it,but the new owner is an A&P with plenty of time on his hands, so I hope the bird gets stripped down to the bare bones and gets a restoration. It's what this same gent did for an Ercoupe and it is a beautiful little restoration that is a joy to watch in the air. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:24 PM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Cliff, That is a big difference is weight. I did not even imagine it would be that much. I guess that "shows to go you" that every little change really increases the weight. Thanks so much for taking the time to look up this information.... guess I could have done it myself. Just think, every extra gusset placed on the plane is probably an extra ounce, plus the weight of the glue. We might want to keep that in mind. Thanks again! Thanks and fly SAFELY, Ray Krause Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 227 hrs. Also building the Sky Scout.. time table is SLOW! ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I have an old Poly-Fiber sheet here that says witth two coats polybrush, three of polyspray and three of polytone, 1.7oz fabric weighs 1.4oz / ft=B2 . From my "Aircraft Materials and Processes" 1937, birch 1/16 ply= 4oz/ft=B2 and mahogany about three oz. This before paint. These are out of books of course so your mileage may vary. :-) Clif Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? Ray Krause, Colusa, CA. Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:30 PM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Jim, Based on Cliff's reply, one layer might add about 2 pounds, but I am just guessing on the square footage. But if I put the extra headrest on, it might need at least some firm footing. Maybe just under the headrest, with a 1-2" lip to attach the fabric? After I finish the metal parts on the front of the fuselage, I will attack the headrest. Nice to hear about all your progress on your Piet. Sorry I missed you guys this last Summer. Ray Krause ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Boyer" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels > > Hi Ray, > I saw Dick's new Piet last year at Brodhead and he said it actually had > two layers of plywood over the turtledeck; didn't intend it to be that way > but thats what happened due to epoxy problems if I remember right. It > looks beautiful however and is very well done. > Jim Boyer > > Do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Krause" > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:27:38 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels > > > Gary, > > I have not been working on the Sky Scout for all summer, but am about to > start in again. Unfortunately, my wife has me painting the kitchen, pantry > and back porch...before I can play! > > I think I saw that Piet at OSH this year, or last; but did not remember > it. I will be using the re-built A65 on the Sky Scout. It is lighter than > the Camper and carries only one person, so maybe there is some margin > there for some weight extravagance. Looks like Dick used 1/8" on the > sides, maybe on the top, too? Is the tail section covered in wood? Maybe > it is just a great paint job. Is his plane featured in the West Coast > Piets? I well check. > > Thanks. I am following all your comments and pictures on your plane.... > great job! > > Ray Krause > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Boothe > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:56 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels > > > Ray, > > > You sneaky devil! Youre really making progress > > > I dont know the answer to your question, but attached is living proof > that the Piet still flies with plywood covering! Dick has an advantage of > plenty of engine weight & horsepower > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, Running! > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (22 ribs down) > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:37 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels > > > Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference > between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? I'm > thinking about adding the additional "headrest" on top of the turtle deck > as seen on some open cockpit planes since I, too, am 6'4" tall. Already > raised the turtle deck 4" on the Sky Scout for the seat belts. > > > Ray Krause, > > > Colusa , CA . > > > Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Harvey Rule > > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:09 PM > > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels > > > I see the resemblance to Dwight Yocum there in the picture of you.He > always wears hats too.LOL!!! > do not archive > >> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:55:09 -0500 >> From: yocum@fnal.gov >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels >> >> I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor >> of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at >> Brodhead, this year. >> >> Dan >> >> On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote: >> > >> > I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but >> > in reality, I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to >> > consider. I have sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should >> > closely replicate my position in the rear pit and I've found that the >> > rear seat back/turtle deck front is way too low to provide for >> > effective safety harness installation, not to mention the added comfort >> > of an upper back rest. >> > >> > Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't >> > intend to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane. >> > >> > -------- >> > Mark Chouinard >> > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:33 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I doubt if Cliff looked it up=85.he just knows stuff! Gary Boothe do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels Cliff, That is a big difference is weight. I did not even imagine it would be that much. I guess that "shows to go you" that every little change really increases the weight. Thanks so much for taking the time to look up this information.... guess I could have done it myself. Just think, every extra gusset placed on the plane is probably an extra ounce, plus the weight of the glue. We might want to keep that in mind. Thanks again! Thanks and fly SAFELY, Ray Krause Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 227 hrs. Also building the Sky Scout.. time table is SLOW! ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels I have an old Poly-Fiber sheet here that says witth two coats polybrush, three of polyspray and three of polytone, 1.7oz fabric weighs 1.4oz / ft=B2 . >From my "Aircraft Materials and Processes" 1937, birch 1/16 ply= 4oz/ft=B2 and mahogany about three oz. This before paint. These are out of books of course so your mileage may vary. :-) Clif Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood? Ray Krause, Colusa, CA. Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:47 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new Piet on the block Oscar,=0A=0AYou must take some photos and share with the list! Nothing bett er than to eye up =0Aanother bird!=0A=0AKen=0A-=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga =0A 2010 7:09:04 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: new Piet on the block=0A=0A--> P ietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga =0A=0A =0AHowdy, Pieters;=0A=0AWell, we've got a new Piet on our field... just arr ived.=0AApparently it has sat in a hangar or barn for quite some=0Atime bec ause it's looking pretty dusty and sad, but it has=0Apromise.- The airpla ne is tail number N3379 and has some=0Ainteresting features... streamlined wires for the tail braces,=0Awing centersection tank as well as a nose tank , fairly full=0Apanel, canvas seat (which I'm already envying), and other =0Astuff.- The wings and struts are off of it since it seems to=0Ahave be en trailered to its new home.- Engine looks to be an=0AA65 and the regist ration search seems to confirm that.- It=0Ahas split gear with bungees an d the bungees are long gone.=0AIt was registered in 1974 and looks about th at vintage.=0A=0AI'll have to go back and get a better look at it,but the n ew=0Aowner is an A&P with plenty of time on his hands, so I hope=0Athe bird gets stripped down to the bare bones and gets a=0Arestoration.- It's wha t this same gent did for an Ercoupe and=0Ait is a beautiful little restorat ion that is a joy to watch=0Ain the air.=0A=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAir Camper NX4 1CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amailto: taildrags@hotmail.com=0Awebsite at http://w ww.flysquirrel.net --- --- --- - --- --- ===================0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.