---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/09/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:21 AM - Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! (Matt Dralle) 1. 05:09 AM - Re: Fw: Dreams (airlion) 2. 05:28 AM - Re: Neat idea for wire organization in a hanger (taildrags) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: Fw: Dreams (jboatri@emory.edu) 4. 08:25 AM - NOTAMs for Monday around LA California? (LWATCDR) 5. 11:10 AM - Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome fly-in (TriScout) 6. 11:49 AM - New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Mr. Craig) 7. 12:36 PM - Re: Fw: Dreams (Barry Davis) 8. 01:07 PM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Jim Markle) 9. 03:49 PM - Re: Fw: Dreams (airlion) 10. 04:09 PM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Catdesigns) 11. 04:35 PM - Re: Fw: Dreams (jboatri@emory.edu) 12. 11:40 PM - Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome fly-in (kevinpurtee) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:07 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution Today! Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. 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Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:23 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams Jeff, I didn't make it either as it was too cold. I am flying to barnwell sc for th e corvair college on thursday for the weekend. Why don't you fly down there and see what corvairs are all about? There should be about 75 engines being built wi th the help of Wm. Wynne. Sorry to hear about your dad. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: "jboatri@emory.edu" Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:00:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack Friday afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very well now. We're working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I should be back in ATL by the weekend. J ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Neat idea for wire organization in a hanger From: "taildrags" Steve; that stuff is cable tray. The simplest and cheapest is the so-called "shopping cart" stuff... picture the wire mesh that shopping carts are made of and that's what the tray looks like. You can always see what's in the tray that way and it's easy to get a new cable or service into or out of it through the holes. Also provides unlimited number of places to ty-rap other things onto it. You're right about the electrical, though... careful what you put in with it, and how it's done. Unless your shop is in Kenya, that is ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318732#318732 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:51 AM PST US From: jboatri@emory.edu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams Hey Gardiner, Thanks for the info. I went to a Corvair College several years ago. It was a blast. I had a couple of engines nearly all of Wm Wynne's parts and the manual, but my plans changed when I got a great deal on the Pietenpol we're flying now. All the engine stuff went to a friend on the field who plans to put it in a Jodel D11. That project is on hold while he and his son develop their Reno racing program (all on a shoestring). Jeff Quoting airlion : > > Jeff, I didn't make it either as it was too cold. I am flying to > barnwell sc for > th e corvair college on thursday for the weekend. Why don't you fly > down there > and see what corvairs are all about? There should be about 75 engines being > built wi th the help of Wm. Wynne. Sorry to hear about your dad. Cheers, > Gardiner > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "jboatri@emory.edu" > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:00:07 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams > > > Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack Friday > afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very well > now. We're > working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I should be back in > ATL by the > weekend. > > J > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: NOTAMs for Monday around LA California? From: LWATCDR Did anyone seen any NOTAMS that might have covered that launch on Monday off the California Coast? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome fly-in From: "TriScout" Hmm.. interesting...I might drive down from Dallas(garland) as well, and snoop around. Penzon if the dragon will cut me loose from the diva's extra ciriculative activities this weekend. All I'm missing is a prop for my A65-8 GN-1. Might give me a reason to axe around... maybe meet an a&p or two... or a pietenpoler or two. Ler (n2308c) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318756#318756 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise From: "Mr. Craig" Hello everyone. New Air Camper builder here. I live in SE Kansas. I have an old original 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. Also the 1932 and 1933 reprints put out by EAA. I had a nice conversation with Andrew Pietenpol yesterday and he lined me out on what drawings I need to order. Money sent. Originally I was thinking about building the Sky Scout, but logic set in and the Air Camper is more practical for my intended use. The Scout is really nice looking though. My intention is to build a basic no frills Air Camper modeled after Allen Rudolphs's externally except I think I'll go with the 3 piece wings, unless someone here wants to talk me out of it. :) I'll be using a built Model A engine from H and H Antique. I've been a welder for over 30 years and for me the welded steel fuselage looks to be easier, much quicker to build and lighter in the end. I would also like to build the vertical fin/rudder and horz stab/elevator out of 4130 tube steel. Andrew said he didn't have any info on this, but said many have done so. His suggestion was to copy tube diameters and thicknesses from a J3 Cub and the outline of the Air Camper tail as drawn in the plans. I can do this, but I'd rather not if I can find someone who has done it before. Does anyone here have a tube steel tail unit that can help me out? I don't really want to reinvent the wheel here if I don't have to. Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the fuselages that he builds and many times two inches. I'm 6'3", 200 lbs and will probably add the two inches he recommends. Any down sided to this modification? That's enough for now. Thanks and best regards, Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318757#318757 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:01 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams Jeff Sorry to hear about your Dad, it kinda makes you stop and think about life. Glad to see he is doing ok. Looking at a Piet Fly-in in Carrollton next Spring but nothing in concrete yet. Barry Davis -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jboatri@emory.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams Hey Gardiner, Thanks for the info. I went to a Corvair College several years ago. It was a blast. I had a couple of engines nearly all of Wm Wynne's parts and the manual, but my plans changed when I got a great deal on the Pietenpol we're flying now. All the engine stuff went to a friend on the field who plans to put it in a Jodel D11. That project is on hold while he and his son develop their Reno racing program (all on a shoestring). Jeff Quoting airlion : > > Jeff, I didn't make it either as it was too cold. I am flying to > barnwell sc for th e corvair college on thursday for the weekend. Why > don't you fly down there and see what corvairs are all about? There > should be about 75 engines being built wi th the help of Wm. Wynne. > Sorry to hear about your dad. Cheers, Gardiner > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "jboatri@emory.edu" > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:00:07 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams > > > Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack > Friday afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very > well now. We're working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I > should be back in ATL by the weekend. > > J > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:24 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise Hi Craig, Congrats on getting started on your Piet project! This will be an incredibly unique and rewarding journey.... I line in NE Oklahoma and there are a couple of Piets flying and under construction in the area. If you ever get down around McKinney TX, there's an uncovered steel fuse Piet down there that might give you some ideas....it's based at Aero Country, west of McKinney, north of Plano. And if you get down near the Adair/Pryor area (where I live) or Tulsa, please let us know so we can get together for a visit. Jim Markle -----Original Message----- >From: "Mr. Craig" >Sent: Nov 9, 2010 2:46 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise > > >Hello everyone. New Air Camper builder here. I live in SE Kansas. > >I have an old original 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. Also the 1932 and 1933 reprints put out by EAA. > >I had a nice conversation with Andrew Pietenpol yesterday and he lined me out on what drawings I need to order. Money sent. > >Originally I was thinking about building the Sky Scout, but logic set in and the Air Camper is more practical for my intended use. The Scout is really nice looking though. My intention is to build a basic no frills Air Camper modeled after Allen Rudolphs's externally except I think I'll go with the 3 piece wings, unless someone here wants to talk me out of it. :) I'll be using a built Model A engine from H and H Antique. > >I've been a welder for over 30 years and for me the welded steel fuselage looks to be easier, much quicker to build and lighter in the end. > >I would also like to build the vertical fin/rudder and horz stab/elevator out of 4130 tube steel. Andrew said he didn't have any info on this, but said many have done so. His suggestion was to copy tube diameters and thicknesses from a J3 Cub and the outline of the Air Camper tail as drawn in the plans. I can do this, but I'd rather not if I can find someone who has done it before. > >Does anyone here have a tube steel tail unit that can help me out? I don't really want to reinvent the wheel here if I don't have to. > >Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the fuselages that he builds and many times two inches. I'm 6'3", 200 lbs and will probably add the two inches he recommends. > >Any down sided to this modification? > >That's enough for now. > >Thanks and best regards, > >Craig > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318757#318757 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:02 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams Barry, A Piet fly in next spring would be great, and if I can help in any way please let me know. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Barry Davis Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 3:29:15 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams Jeff Sorry to hear about your Dad, it kinda makes you stop and think about life. Glad to see he is doing ok. Looking at a Piet Fly-in in Carrollton next Spring but nothing in concrete yet. Barry Davis -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jboatri@emory.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams Hey Gardiner, Thanks for the info. I went to a Corvair College several years ago. It was a blast. I had a couple of engines nearly all of Wm Wynne's parts and the manual, but my plans changed when I got a great deal on the Pietenpol we're flying now. All the engine stuff went to a friend on the field who plans to put it in a Jodel D11. That project is on hold while he and his son develop their Reno racing program (all on a shoestring). Jeff Quoting airlion : > > Jeff, I didn't make it either as it was too cold. I am flying to > barnwell sc for th e corvair college on thursday for the weekend. Why > don't you fly down there and see what corvairs are all about? There > should be about 75 engines being built wi th the help of Wm. Wynne. > Sorry to hear about your dad. Cheers, Gardiner > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "jboatri@emory.edu" > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:00:07 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams > > > Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack > Friday afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very > well now. We're working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I > should be back in ATL by the weekend. > > J > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise From: "Catdesigns" You need to talk to Scott Liefeld ( Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org ). He has a steel tube fuselage and if I remember correctly, steel tail feathers. He has stressed them more than most so I would trust his design. 3 piece wing will be more builder friendly but take a little longer to build and weighs just slightly more. I would build a 1 piece if I had the room. Looks cool. 1 or 2 inches in the nose will not change the flight characteristics but help with the weight and balance. Given your size you need to watch the weight and balance. It's not a big deal as others your size fly them just fine. I would suggest you might want to think about make the fuselage deeper so you fit inside it a little better. I'm on the tall side of 6-1 and I would like to be lower in the fuselage. Chris -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318770#318770 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:35 PM PST US From: jboatri@emory.edu Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams Barry, Thanks for the kind words. I'm up for a Piet fly-in, let me know if I can help! Jeff Quoting Barry Davis : > > Jeff > Sorry to hear about your Dad, it kinda makes you stop and think about life. > Glad to see he is doing ok. Looking at a Piet Fly-in in Carrollton next > Spring but nothing in concrete yet. > Barry Davis > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jboatri@emory.edu > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:10 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams > > > Hey Gardiner, > > Thanks for the info. I went to a Corvair College several years ago. It was a > blast. I had a couple of engines nearly all of Wm Wynne's parts and the > manual, but my plans changed when I got a great deal on the Pietenpol we're > flying now. All the engine stuff went to a friend on the field who plans to > put it in a Jodel D11. That project is on hold while he and his son develop > their Reno racing program (all on a shoestring). > > Jeff > > Quoting airlion : > >> >> Jeff, I didn't make it either as it was too cold. I am flying to >> barnwell sc for th e corvair college on thursday for the weekend. Why >> don't you fly down there and see what corvairs are all about? There >> should be about 75 engines being built wi th the help of Wm. Wynne. >> Sorry to hear about your dad. Cheers, Gardiner >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "jboatri@emory.edu" >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:00:07 PM >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams >> >> >> Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack >> Friday afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very >> well now. We're working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I >> should be back in ATL by the weekend. >> >> J >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome fly-in From: "kevinpurtee" It's worth attending. A really nice operation. 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