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1. 04:04 AM - welcome Craig (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 05:36 AM - New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 05:56 AM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (AircamperN11MS)
4. 03:17 PM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Mr. Craig)
5. 03:19 PM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Mr. Craig)
6. 03:20 PM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Mr. Craig)
7. 06:35 PM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Michael Conkling)
8. 06:53 PM - Re: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings (Ken Chambers)
9. 08:20 PM - Re: welcome Craig (Mr. Craig)
10. 08:58 PM - MNTV did a documentary on one of our favorite homebuilders BHP (Matt Naiva)
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Hey Craig,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpollers, great group
of people.
I'd have gone with a steel tube fuse in a heartbeat, saves some weight too.
My fuse was wood and I added 3.5" , weight and balance was perfect (Ford
also) I'd say with a steel fuse, two to three inches would be a very good
idea.
Douwe
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| Subject: | New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
Craig wrote:
>Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the
>fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.
A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes
that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines? My understanding
of the need to add some extension to the front is to get the engine
further out front when using air-cooled Continentals that don't
weigh as much as the Fords, but then again it depends on where the
inch or two goes relative to the wing cabane attach points. But with
a fair amount of front-seat time in my own Piet, I can say that a bit
more legroom in front would be welcome. I sure do like the look of
the simple, straightforward, and honest Rudolph Piet though.
And on the matter of steel tube tail feathers, another idea that you
might pursue is to see if Darrel Jones still has plans available for
the Pfeifer Sport. He was offering them on disc awhile back, and if
I remember correctly, the Sport has some similarity to the Piet but
has a tube steel fuselage and tail, so you might be able to re-shape
the Sport's tail surfaces to look like a Piet but still not have to
reinvent the wheel.
Darrel-? Still on the list? Still have Sport plans available?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
Hi Chris,
Craig emailed me and I have replied to him. I do have a steel tail and will be
trying to make him a copy of the plans for him next week. They have worked great
for me.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Broadhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
taildrags wrote:
> Craig wrote:
>
>
> > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the
> > fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.
> >
> >
>
> A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes
> that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines?
We were discussing the Ford Model A motor and the 1-2" addon was to the longerons
in the first bay. He said his grandpa was 169ish and balance well for smaller
guys. The addon helps balance for us big-n-tall guys. Andrew said he then tweaks
the wing back a ways if need be.
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| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
AircamperN11MS wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Craig emailed me and I have replied to him. I do have a steel tail and will be
trying to make him a copy of the plans for him next week. They have worked
great for me.
Thanks again Scott. Everything is coming together very nicely. Thanks to everyone
who contacted me here and via email. Every little bit helps.
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| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
Mr. Craig wrote:
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> taildrags wrote:
> > Craig wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the
> > > fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes
> > that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines?
>
>
> We were discussing the Ford Model A motor and the 1-2" addon was to the longerons
in the first bay. He said his grandpa was 160-ish and balance well for smaller
guys. The addon helps balance for us big-n-tall guys. Andrew said he then
tweaks the wing back a ways if need be.
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| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
Hello Craig!
Where about in SE KS are you? I in south central KS -- about an hour west
of Wichita in Pretty Prairie -- not much for "show and tell" yet -- trying
to fix that now that life has quit intervening (for the time being!)
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Mr. Craig <acwelder@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. New Air Camper builder here. I live in SE Kansas.
>
> I have an old original 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. Also the 1932 and
> 1933 reprints put out by EAA.
>
> I had a nice conversation with Andrew Pietenpol yesterday and he lined me
> out on what drawings I need to order. Money sent.
>
> Originally I was thinking about building the Sky Scout, but logic set in
> and the Air Camper is more practical for my intended use. The Scout is
> really nice looking though. My intention is to build a basic no frills Air
> Camper modeled after Allen Rudolphs's externally except I think I'll go with
> the 3 piece wings, unless someone here wants to talk me out of it. :) I'll
> be using a built Model A engine from H and H Antique.
>
> I've been a welder for over 30 years and for me the welded steel fuselage
> looks to be easier, much quicker to build and lighter in the end.
>
> I would also like to build the vertical fin/rudder and horz stab/elevator
> out of 4130 tube steel. Andrew said he didn't have any info on this, but
> said many have done so. His suggestion was to copy tube diameters and
> thicknesses from a J3 Cub and the outline of the Air Camper tail as drawn in
> the plans. I can do this, but I'd rather not if I can find someone who has
> done it before.
>
> Does anyone here have a tube steel tail unit that can help me out? I don't
> really want to reinvent the wheel here if I don't have to.
>
> Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the fuselages that
> he builds and many times two inches. I'm 6'3", 200 lbs and will probably add
> the two inches he recommends.
>
> Any down sided to this modification?
>
> That's enough for now.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
>
> Craig
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318757#318757
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings |
Hey Tom
How are your kits coming along?
Have you set any prices?
Ken in Austin, slowly making metal fittings.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:29 PM, tkreiner <tkreiner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Earlier this year, I polled a number of local Pietenpol builders about
> whether they would have fabricated their own metal brackets & fittings, or
> purchased them if they had been available. Based on the information
> gathered, we've gone ahead and made a series of metal kits specifically for
> the Piet.
>
> The kits are substantially complete, and I'm bringing a very large sample
> set with me to Brodhead. While the samples were made to prints and spec's,
> they are not made from 4130, and may not be used in aircraft. That said,
> the 4130 alloy kits will be available in the August timeframe.
>
> Because I value the great comments from this forum, I'd appreciate it if
> any and all of you would stop by to spend a few minutes with me, give me
> your feedback, and let me know what you think.
>
> The completed kits are:
>
> 1. Empennage
> 2. Jenny Landing Gear
> 3. One Piece Wing kit
> 4. Center Wing Section of Three Piece Wing
> 5. LH or RH Wing Kit.
>
> In addition to the above, we're putting together an engine mount kit, and a
> controls kit. In the controls kit, there will be dual stick & rudder, along
> with the bellcrank behind the pilot's seat.
>
> With a few exceptions, all of the parts in the various kits will have all
> holes pre-drilled, and will be pre-bent. In several cases - those spelled
> out in the plans - the parts will be drilled or bent during assembly.
>
> Pricing is being developed as I write this, but suffice it to say, the cost
> to you isn't the principal benefit... According to the guys we polled, you
> might find yourself in the air one to two years earlier.
>
> I'm personally looking forward to seeing each of you I've met, and those
> who've added so many great comments during the past year.
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305622#305622
>
>
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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| Subject: | Re: welcome Craig |
douweblumberg(at)earthlin wrote:
> Hey Craig,
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpollers, great group of
people.
>
> Id have gone with a steel tube fuse in a heartbeat, saves some weight too. My
fuse was wood and I added 3.5 , weight and balance was perfect (Ford also)
Id say with a steel fuse, two to three inches would be a very good idea.
>
> Douwe
Hi Douwe
Thanks for the warm welcome. Looking forward to chatting with you about that Ford
motor.
Craig
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| Subject: | MNTV did a documentary on one of our favorite homebuilders |
BHP
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