---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/10/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:04 AM - welcome Craig (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 05:36 AM - New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 05:56 AM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (AircamperN11MS) 4. 03:17 PM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Mr. Craig) 5. 03:19 PM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Mr. Craig) 6. 03:20 PM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Mr. Craig) 7. 06:35 PM - Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise (Michael Conkling) 8. 06:53 PM - Re: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings (Ken Chambers) 9. 08:20 PM - Re: welcome Craig (Mr. Craig) 10. 08:58 PM - MNTV did a documentary on one of our favorite homebuilders BHP (Matt Naiva) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:06 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: welcome Craig Hey Craig, Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpollers, great group of people. I'd have gone with a steel tube fuse in a heartbeat, saves some weight too. My fuse was wood and I added 3.5" , weight and balance was perfect (Ford also) I'd say with a steel fuse, two to three inches would be a very good idea. Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:52 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise Craig wrote: >Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the >fuselages that he builds and many times two inches. A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines? My understanding of the need to add some extension to the front is to get the engine further out front when using air-cooled Continentals that don't weigh as much as the Fords, but then again it depends on where the inch or two goes relative to the wing cabane attach points. But with a fair amount of front-seat time in my own Piet, I can say that a bit more legroom in front would be welcome. I sure do like the look of the simple, straightforward, and honest Rudolph Piet though. And on the matter of steel tube tail feathers, another idea that you might pursue is to see if Darrel Jones still has plans available for the Pfeifer Sport. He was offering them on disc awhile back, and if I remember correctly, the Sport has some similarity to the Piet but has a tube steel fuselage and tail, so you might be able to re-shape the Sport's tail surfaces to look like a Piet but still not have to reinvent the wheel. Darrel-? Still on the list? Still have Sport plans available? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Chris, Craig emailed me and I have replied to him. I do have a steel tail and will be trying to make him a copy of the plans for him next week. They have worked great for me. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Broadhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318813#318813 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise From: "Mr. Craig" taildrags wrote: > Craig wrote: > > > > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the > > fuselages that he builds and many times two inches. > > > > > > A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes > that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines? We were discussing the Ford Model A motor and the 1-2" addon was to the longerons in the first bay. He said his grandpa was 169ish and balance well for smaller guys. The addon helps balance for us big-n-tall guys. Andrew said he then tweaks the wing back a ways if need be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318862#318862 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise From: "Mr. Craig" AircamperN11MS wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Craig emailed me and I have replied to him. I do have a steel tail and will be trying to make him a copy of the plans for him next week. They have worked great for me. Thanks again Scott. Everything is coming together very nicely. Thanks to everyone who contacted me here and via email. Every little bit helps. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318863#318863 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise From: "Mr. Craig" Mr. Craig wrote: > > taildrags wrote: > > Craig wrote: > > > > > > > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the > > > fuselages that he builds and many times two inches. > > > > > > > > > > A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes > > that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines? > > > We were discussing the Ford Model A motor and the 1-2" addon was to the longerons in the first bay. He said his grandpa was 160-ish and balance well for smaller guys. The addon helps balance for us big-n-tall guys. Andrew said he then tweaks the wing back a ways if need be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318864#318864 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise From: Michael Conkling Hello Craig! Where about in SE KS are you? I in south central KS -- about an hour west of Wichita in Pretty Prairie -- not much for "show and tell" yet -- trying to fix that now that life has quit intervening (for the time being!) Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Mr. Craig wrote: > > Hello everyone. New Air Camper builder here. I live in SE Kansas. > > I have an old original 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. Also the 1932 and > 1933 reprints put out by EAA. > > I had a nice conversation with Andrew Pietenpol yesterday and he lined me > out on what drawings I need to order. Money sent. > > Originally I was thinking about building the Sky Scout, but logic set in > and the Air Camper is more practical for my intended use. The Scout is > really nice looking though. My intention is to build a basic no frills Air > Camper modeled after Allen Rudolphs's externally except I think I'll go with > the 3 piece wings, unless someone here wants to talk me out of it. :) I'll > be using a built Model A engine from H and H Antique. > > I've been a welder for over 30 years and for me the welded steel fuselage > looks to be easier, much quicker to build and lighter in the end. > > I would also like to build the vertical fin/rudder and horz stab/elevator > out of 4130 tube steel. Andrew said he didn't have any info on this, but > said many have done so. His suggestion was to copy tube diameters and > thicknesses from a J3 Cub and the outline of the Air Camper tail as drawn in > the plans. I can do this, but I'd rather not if I can find someone who has > done it before. > > Does anyone here have a tube steel tail unit that can help me out? I don't > really want to reinvent the wheel here if I don't have to. > > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the fuselages that > he builds and many times two inches. I'm 6'3", 200 lbs and will probably add > the two inches he recommends. > > Any down sided to this modification? > > That's enough for now. > > Thanks and best regards, > > Craig > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318757#318757 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings From: Ken Chambers Hey Tom How are your kits coming along? Have you set any prices? Ken in Austin, slowly making metal fittings. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:29 PM, tkreiner wrote: > > Earlier this year, I polled a number of local Pietenpol builders about > whether they would have fabricated their own metal brackets & fittings, or > purchased them if they had been available. Based on the information > gathered, we've gone ahead and made a series of metal kits specifically for > the Piet. > > The kits are substantially complete, and I'm bringing a very large sample > set with me to Brodhead. While the samples were made to prints and spec's, > they are not made from 4130, and may not be used in aircraft. That said, > the 4130 alloy kits will be available in the August timeframe. > > Because I value the great comments from this forum, I'd appreciate it if > any and all of you would stop by to spend a few minutes with me, give me > your feedback, and let me know what you think. > > The completed kits are: > > 1. Empennage > 2. Jenny Landing Gear > 3. One Piece Wing kit > 4. Center Wing Section of Three Piece Wing > 5. LH or RH Wing Kit. > > In addition to the above, we're putting together an engine mount kit, and a > controls kit. In the controls kit, there will be dual stick & rudder, along > with the bellcrank behind the pilot's seat. > > With a few exceptions, all of the parts in the various kits will have all > holes pre-drilled, and will be pre-bent. In several cases - those spelled > out in the plans - the parts will be drilled or bent during assembly. > > Pricing is being developed as I write this, but suffice it to say, the cost > to you isn't the principal benefit... According to the guys we polled, you > might find yourself in the air one to two years earlier. > > I'm personally looking forward to seeing each of you I've met, and those > who've added so many great comments during the past year. > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305622#305622 > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: welcome Craig From: "Mr. Craig" douweblumberg(at)earthlin wrote: > Hey Craig, > > Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpollers, great group of people. > > Id have gone with a steel tube fuse in a heartbeat, saves some weight too. My fuse was wood and I added 3.5 , weight and balance was perfect (Ford also) Id say with a steel fuse, two to three inches would be a very good idea. > > Douwe Hi Douwe Thanks for the warm welcome. Looking forward to chatting with you about that Ford motor. Craig Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318877#318877 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: MNTV did a documentary on one of our favorite homebuilders BHP From: Matt Naiva Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI9t4XiYO7U&playnext=1&list=PL1152354E5922C0F0&index=1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.