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0. 12:31 AM - List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:15 AM - We can do this together (Ed G.)
2. 05:43 AM - Air Camper construction time (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: Air Camper construction time (Michael Perez)
4. 07:47 AM - Watch for spam (jeff wilson)
5. 08:22 AM - Re: Watch for spam (Ed G.)
6. 08:41 AM - Re: Watch for spam (Ryan Mueller)
7. 09:50 AM - Re: Watch for spam (tkreiner)
8. 10:04 AM - video (Rick Holland)
9. 11:40 AM - Re: Bottom photos (kevinpurtee)
10. 01:12 PM - Metal fittings for the Pietenpol (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
11. 01:30 PM - Ford hub (bender)
12. 03:51 PM - Re: Metal fittings for the Pietenpol (jeff wilson)
13. 05:40 PM - fuel tanks (Dangerous Dave)
14. 06:29 PM - Re: Air Camper construction time (coxwelljon)
15. 09:34 PM - Re: Air Camper construction time2 (jorge lizarraga)
16. 09:44 PM - Re: Air Camper construction time2 (jorge lizarraga)
17. 11:24 PM - Re: Air Camper construction time (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments... |
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| Subject: | We can do this together |
Hello there piet-list Did you know you can make a lot of money from the com
puter? I've made over $2k in the past month and I barely work 4 hours a day
. Click on this page and it will take you 15 minutes MAX to get started mak
ing money - make sure they send you the kit for free! http://bit.ly/b8LLhF
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| Subject: | Air Camper construction time |
Jorge wrote [translated]-
>
>can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs
>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanford
Jorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.
I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hours
depending on how much of it you construct yourself. Some builders
make all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some of
the metal fittings and other parts already made. Some builders
make things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, which
means laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand. Some
builders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrument
panels, like Clif Dawson. Some builders spend weeks and months
making their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or converting
their own Ford or Corvair engines. Just too many variables.
Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half a
day Sunday, every week except on holidays. Maybe 15 hours per week
for 45 weeks in a year. That's 675 hours. If you built your Piet
very simply and without modifications or changes from the plans and
it took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.
If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplane
all day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociable
old sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends over
the holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for jury
duty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's
2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.
Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keys
to a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury with
Kevin and I ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time |
My story:
I have been building my entire plane from scratch myself. I buy my wood in
bulk, rough cut and then fabricate whatever pieces I need. I have also done
all my own metal work, welding, modifications, etc.- (I plan on doing th
e balance of the project myself as well.) I AVERAGE ABOUT 2-3 hours of work
a day on it...I'm guessing. I am almost 2.5 years into the project and GUE
SS I have about 1.5 - 2 more to go. Hopefully, this will give you a good re
al world idea of time involved.- The best advise I can give you is to enj
oy the time you spend building...even if it seems you are not spending much
time with it.Consistent, steady working/building will get it done and you
will enjoy the entire process more.
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Jorge wrote [translated]-
>
>can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs
>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanford
Jorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.
I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hours
depending on how much of it you construct yourself.- Some builders
make all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some of
the metal fittings and other parts already made.- Some builders
make things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, which
means laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand.- Some
builders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrument
panels, like Clif Dawson.- Some builders spend weeks and months
making their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or converting
their own Ford or Corvair engines.- Just too many variables.
Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half a
day Sunday, every week except on holidays.- Maybe 15 hours per week
for 45 weeks in a year.- That's 675 hours.- If you built your Piet
very simply and without modifications or changes from the plans and
it took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.
If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplane
all day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociable
old sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends over
the holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for jury
duty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's
2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.
Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keys
to a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury with
Kevin and I ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- --------
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-Ed G. sent this or maybe the spam forwarding virus did it. The subject l
ine says "We Can Do This Together".-- I suggest do not click on the lin
k in the text of the message. I altered the link in this message just to be
safe but don't click on this one either.
If anyone is really curious what Ed G. had to say, his email shows up as fl
yboy_120@hotmail.com- Below is the body of his message.
-
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[Hello there piet-list Did you know you can make a lot of money from the co
mputer? I've made over $2k in the past month and I barely work 4 hours a da
y. Click on this page and it will take you 15 minutes MAX to get started ma
king money - make sure they send you the kit for free! http://bit.ly/b8LL..
.]
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis
50% done with 90% to go.
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Do Not Archive=0A=0A=0A
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Thanks Jeff....I have been trying to get the word out that that did not com
e from me and it should not be opened...I'm not sure exactly how it got int
o my contact list.. Appologies Ed G.
From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Watch for spam
Ed G. sent this or maybe the spam forwarding virus did it. The subject lin
e says "We Can Do This Together". I suggest do not click on the link in t
he text of the message. I altered the link in this message just to be safe
but don't click on this one either.
If anyone is really curious what Ed G. had to say=2C his email shows up as
flyboy_120@hotmail.com Below is the body of his message.
[Hello there piet-list Did you know you can make a lot of money from the co
mputer? I've made over $2k in the past month and I barely work 4 hours a da
y. Click on this page and it will take you 15 minutes MAX to get started ma
king money - make sure they send you the kit for free! http://bit.ly/b8LL..
.]
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis
50% done with 90% to go.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Watch for spam |
Ed,
Just a suggestion: it wouldn't be a bad idea to change the password on your
Hotmail account....
Ryan
do not archive
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Ed G. <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Jeff....I have been trying to get the word out that that did not
> come from me and it should not be opened...I'm not sure exactly how it got
> into my contact list.. Appologies Ed G.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:44:23 -0800
> From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Watch for spam
> To: Pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Ed G. sent this or maybe the spam forwarding virus did it. The
> subject line says "We Can Do This Together". I suggest do not click on the
> link in the text of the message. I altered the link in this message just to
> be safe but don't click on this one either.
> If anyone is really curious what Ed G. had to say, his email shows up as
> flyboy_120@hotmail.com Below is the body of his message.
>
>
> [Hello there piet-list Did you know you can make a lot of money from the
> computer? I've made over $2k in the past month and I barely work 4 hours a
> day. Click on this page and it will take you 15 minutes MAX to get started
> making money - make sure they send you the kit for free!
> http://bit.ly/b8LL...]
> Jeff Wilson
> St. Louis
> 50% done with 90% to go.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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> m
> A>
> enpol-List*
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Watch for spam |
As we all so often do.... we can unwittingly infect the address book of recipients
if we inadvertently "cross-pollinate" via email.
To prevent this, rather than simply hitting the Forward button on your email, Copy
and Paste the text, graphics, etc., into a New Email, and BCC all recipients.
This generally stops any virus from rippling thru multiple email acccounts.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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You guys may like this (somewhat aviation related):
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=nKU0uQki5Dc
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom photos |
Hi - Don't have any photos but I can describe it pretty quickly. Bottom line:
stole it from Sky Gypsy. There are a lot of them out there like that.
I put an aluminum cover over the bottom bay below the elevator bellcrank/walking
beam thing. When covering, I glued the edges of the fabric around the structural
members up inside the access hole to get the required 1" gluing surface.
The aluminum is attached with 4 corner bolts into nutplates. Then I put in
several screws to keep the thing from vibrating. There are a couple of cutouts
in the plate that I use for ground handling grab points.
Hope this helps.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Metal fittings for the Pietenpol |
Fellow Pieter's:
-
Any chance someone is making the metal parts and pieces-for the Pietenpol
as a kit? I seek to find a source whereas these pieces are made with all t
he features needed to just paint and assemble! So then, what are the chance
s to finding a source for these parts....slim to none and slim is out of to
wn? Anyone thought about outsourcing these parts and willing to do so?
-
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KMH
Fargo, ND
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Not not archive.
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I keep looking at the model T hub in the plans and wondering why it's even there..
I can't see the purpose unless its just to have the center of the prop "filled
in" . the bolts and the crush plate hold the prop against the hub which only
seems to be a spacer to me.... am i missing something ?
it sure looks to me like a prop bolted to the crank flange is just the same as
adding a hub between the prop and the flange..
any thoughts ?
jeff
20 ribs done
fuselage wood ripped
engine about to go out
cool gauges on the shelf
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| Subject: | Re: Metal fittings for the Pietenpol |
Ken Perkins is a Piet builder flyer and expert on Model A engines. He has b
een a speaker at the Pietenpol reunion in Brodhead. He also makes most all
of the metal parts.
email him and ask for a price list:
kenandvernaperkins(at)sbcglobal.net
You can also search the archives. There are a couple others that make vario
us parts.
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings for the Pietenpol
Fellow Pieter's:=0A-=0AAny chance someone is making the metal parts and p
ieces-for the Pietenpol as a kit? I seek to find a source whereas these p
ieces are made with all the features needed to just paint and assemble! So
then, what are the chances to finding a source for these parts....slim to n
one and slim is out of town? Anyone thought about outsourcing these parts a
nd willing to do so?=0A-=0A-=0AKMH=0AFargo, ND=0A-=0ANot not archive.
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Just got the fuel tanks done.Boyd Welding in Florida.Super job.$800. 21 in nose
10.5 in the wing.dave
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Building a Piet
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time |
Another story,
I spent 30 years thinking about it and looking at different plans. Then I spent
2 years following planes on eBay until I found the project I bought, a GN-1
approximately 75% done.
I brought the project home and spent 2 years building a shop addition on the garage.
I spent a lot of time being overwhelmed trying to figure out where to start
and then 2 summers replacing the roof on the garage and house to match the
shop addition.
Then I really got into the project, taking pictures and trying to figure out the
plans. Next phase was to look carefully at what the previous builders had done
and then start re-doing much of it. That took another year. Now I am 75%
complete and making progress. I was able to spend about 10 hrs a week until
the house needed painting. The paint scraping revealed rotten wood which meant
replacing some structure. In the process I found some trim that was never
done on the shop. You get the picture
The economy slowed down and I found it necessary to spend a little more time marketing
my business, (architecture) but I still get in some time each week. The
GN-1 was supposed to fly this summer, but the fuselage is still uncovered and
the corvair engine needing to be reworked. Maybe next summer it will fly.
Enjoy the journey!
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time2 |
ok that meen Im bery slow proyec sinse I buy the firs set of blue prints 26
year ago and the moment i stare the proyect 10 year ago but I tell you somt
hing guys I enjoy all way true pize by pize weld by weld cuting glue and fo
rmer parts and all way to finished.tanks for all you help guys and all your
advise . jorge from hanford
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
My story:
I have been building my entire plane from scratch myself. I buy my wood in
bulk, rough cut and then fabricate whatever pieces I need. I have also done
all my own metal work, welding, modifications, etc.- (I plan on doing th
e balance of the project myself as well.) I AVERAGE ABOUT 2-3 hours of work
a day on it...I'm guessing. I am almost 2.5 years into the project and GUE
SS I have about 1.5 - 2 more to go. Hopefully, this will give you a good re
al world idea of time involved.- The best advise I can give you is to enj
oy the time you spend building...even if it seems you are not spending much
time with it.Consistent, steady working/building will get it done and you
will enjoy the entire process more.
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Jorge wrote [translated]-
>
>can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs
>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanford
Jorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.
I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hours
depending on how much of it you construct yourself.- Some builders
make all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some of
the metal fittings and other parts already made.- Some builders
make things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, which
means laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand.- Some
builders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrument
panels, like Clif Dawson.- Some builders spend weeks and months
making their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or converting
their own Ford or Corvair engines.- Just too many variables.
Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half a
day Sunday, every week except on holidays.- Maybe 15 hours per week
for 45 weeks in a year.- That's 675 hours.- If you built your Piet
very simply and without modifications or changes from the plans and
it took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.
If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplane
all day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociable
old sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends over
the holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for jury
duty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's
2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.
Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keys
to a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury with
Kevin and I ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- --------
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time2 |
I like to do that just put the key and fly formy is about 26 year from my b
lue print -aribe and 10 years fom build the firs pize som days alot hrs w
orkin in building think and alot of month not to mouch but som day now 40%
buil all ready tanks for all Oscar jorge from hanford
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Jorge wrote [translated]-
>
>can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs
>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanford
Jorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.
I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hours
depending on how much of it you construct yourself.- Some builders
make all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some of
the metal fittings and other parts already made.- Some builders
make things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, which
means laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand.- Some
builders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrument
panels, like Clif Dawson.- Some builders spend weeks and months
making their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or converting
their own Ford or Corvair engines.- Just too many variables.
Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half a
day Sunday, every week except on holidays.- Maybe 15 hours per week
for 45 weeks in a year.- That's 675 hours.- If you built your Piet
very simply and without modifications or changes from the plans and
it took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.
If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplane
all day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociable
old sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends over
the holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for jury
duty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's
2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.
Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keys
to a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury with
Kevin and I ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- --------
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time |
With a few things left to do before building the wings
I have listed in my log 947 hrs. That includes a set
of wing ribs.
There are many things that are changes from the plans.
My final "choice" of engine and all that entails for instance.
I lucked into an engine with 800 hrs on the mains and 25
hrs on the top end for $1500. It just happens to be an
O-290. Big engine. Weighs a little more than an "A" with
radiator and water, maybe 5 lb. For $1500 how could I
pass? Yes, you could say sell it for a profit and get
something smaller but what for? And how long before
something else turns up that's better for the same price?
Oh, by the way, it's certified, logs and everything!
It's taken me ten years to rack up that 947 hrs. a lot of
that has been lack of money. Buy some stuff, work with
it, save up and buy a bit more, etc. Some work related.
Somehow ten hours a day seven days a week cuts into
build time. At least THAT's history. :-)
How many more hours? hard to say but judging from
what's done and what's left, maybe 150 or 200 hrs?
The bottom line is "What are you after?" A finished
plane as soon as possible? The experience of building
such a thing with your own hands regardless of what
it takes? You and you alone get to make the decisions
that dictate your journey.
Building this airplane, especially this one, has been a
wonderful experience. This is a fantastic community.
Full of good friends all helping each other.
Clif
Be Yourself!
Everyone Else Is Taken
--- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
My story:
I have been building my entire plane from scratch myself. I buy
my wood in bulk, rough cut and then fabricate whatever pieces I need. I
have also done all my own metal work, welding, modifications, etc. (I
plan on doing the balance of the project myself as well.) I AVERAGE
ABOUT 2-3 hours of work a day on it...I'm guessing. I am almost 2.5
years into the project and GUESS I have about 1.5 - 2 more to go.
Hopefully, this will give you a good real world idea of time involved.
The best advise I can give you is to enjoy the time you spend
building...even if it seems you are not spending much time with
it.Consistent, steady working/building will get it done and you will
enjoy the entire process more.
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