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1. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: Joy of Flying (Harvey Rule)
2. 05:35 AM - Airport pundits / was Joy of Flying (Jim Ash)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Joy of Flying (Larry Morlock)
4. 06:24 AM - Re: Airport pundits / was Joy of Flying (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP)
5. 08:46 PM - Joy of Building (Kenneth Bickers)
6. 11:39 PM - Re: Joy of Building (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
Take the guy for a ride in your plane free of charge once in a while.Maybe
nobody ever gave the poor sod a ride.
do not archive
> From: CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Joy of Flying
> Date: Sun=2C 21 Nov 2010 23:32:32 -0800
>
>
> Oh great! Now you've sent me haring off into the world of antiquity!
> MY antiquity=2C Malvina=2C Seeger=2C Guthry=2C...... :-)
>
> There's two unique fields in my vicinity=2C one an ultralight field with
a
> short 1000' strip and the other=2C where I'll keep mine=2C with 2500'.
>
> The ultralight one is private and has just about every imaginable structu
re
> on it. Rent a patch and put up whatever. $600 per year. Too bad it's
> so short. The other is owned by the " Greater Vancouver Regional
> District" and is in the Parksboard portfolio. Anything that goes up has
> to be a "real" building=2C code and all that. It's actually run and cared
for
> by chapter 85 of the Canadian RAA. Originaly=2C prior to the existance
> of the RAA=2C it was chapter 85 of the EAA. As a part of the park
> system it has to be fully accessable to all and sundry AND wildlife. So
> NO CHAINLINK FENCES!!! :-)
>
> Unfortunately we have an enemy and it are not us (Thank you Pogo).
> Right off the end of Two Five is this guy who absolutely HATES the
> airfield. He's done everything he could to shut us down. He's been to
> every local council meeting and harangued=2C the GVRD and same=2C the
> provincial gov. and same. Fortunately he's severely outworn his welcome
> with every polititian and bureaucrate in the West. but we still have to
> beware his cunning. Another fortunality is that ALL aviation in Canada
> is under the sole perview of the Feds. And THAT has been tested in the
> courts. Oh yeah=2C ouside tiedown is $250 per year.
>
> Clif
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> > For those who might not understand the reference:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_2lGkEU4Xs
> >
> > Supposedly called "the most santimonious song ever written" by Tom Lehr
er.
> >
> > Jim Ash
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Harvey Rule
> > They would NOT allow us to put up hangers like this at the field I fly
out
> > of. They all have to be made out of ticky tacky and they have to look t
he
> > same.
>
>
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| Subject: | Airport pundits / was Joy of Flying |
It wouldn't matter.
I'm on the airport commission (KHIE). We've got a local lady who has a general
reputation for being difficult; pick your favorite subject. Her most recent cause
(for the last 4 or 5 years) has been to illogically hate the airport.
Just about any time something airport comes up at the Town meetings (gotta love
New England), she'll stand up and unload. I've come to dread representing the
Town on the commission because it puts me in the position of having to defend
the airport from all this irrational argument in front of several hundred people.
The arguments can be creatively ridiculous and they can come from nowhere,
so there's only so much preparation one can do. I'm not a good politician or
public speaker, which compounds the problem.
Last spring we needed Town approval on an Article to clean up some neglected administrative
paperwork. There was no cost to the Town and no real decision to
be made, but she stood up and argued against it like we were trying to institute
Communism from the airport. On the up side, when she saw she wasn't getting
any buy-in from the people, her arguments got so impassioned and over the top
that she came off as just being nuts. It was so bad it was laughable. I tried
to defend the Article, but her negative diatribe sold the vote for us far more
effectively than I could have ever done with a positive argument.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Harvey Rule
Sent: Nov 22, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Joy of Flying
Take the guy for a ride in your plane free of charge once in a while.Maybe nobody
ever gave the poor sod a ride.
do not archive
> From: CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Joy of Flying
> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 23:32:32 -0800
>
>
> Oh great! Now you've sent me haring off into the world of antiquity!
> MY antiquity, Malvina, Seeger, Guthry,...... :-)
>
> There's two unique fields in my vicinity, one an ultralight field with a
> short 1000' strip and the other, where I'll keep mine, with 2500'.
>
> The ultralight one is private and has just about every imaginable structure
> on it. Rent a patch and put up whatever. $600 per year. Too bad it's
> so short. The other is owned by the " Greater Vancouver Regional
> District" and is in the Parksboard portfolio. Anything that goes up has
> to be a "real" building, code and all that. It's actually run and cared for
> by chapter 85 of the Canadian RAA. Originaly, prior to the existance
> of the RAA, it was chapter 85 of the EAA. As a part of the park
> system it has to be fully accessable to all and sundry AND wildlife. So
> NO CHAINLINK FENCES!!! :-)
>
> Unfortunately we have an enemy and it are not us (Thank you Pogo).
> Right off the end of Two Five is this guy who absolutely HATES the
> airfield. He's done everything he could to shut us down. He's been to
> every local council meeting and harangued, the GVRD and same, the
> provincial gov. and same. Fortunately he's severely outworn his welcome
> with every polititian and bureaucrate in the West. but we still have to
> beware his cunning. Another fortunality is that ALL aviation in Canada
> is under the sole perview of the Feds. And THAT has been tested in the
> courts. Oh yeah, ouside tiedown is $250 per year.
>
> Clif
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> > For those who might not understand the reference:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_2lGkEU4Xs
> >
> > Supposedly called "the most santimonious song ever written" by Tom Lehrer.
> >
> > Jim Ash
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Harvey Rule
> > They would NOT allow us to put up hangers like this at the field I fly out
> > of. They all have to be made out of ticky tacky and they have t===============
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
Dan, in case you don't already know, there is an interesting guy named
Howard Brandon with a strip near Murray, KY, just north of your new digs
- called "Brandon" on the St. Louis sectional chart. I've met him at
Oshkosh and several automotive swap meets. No Pietenpols, but other
interesting old airplanes and cars. Worth a visit.
Larry Morlock
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| Subject: | Re: Airport pundits / was Joy of Flying |
You should start a commune and squash any of her suggestions.
-
--- On Mon, 11/22/10, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airport pundits / was Joy of Flying
It wouldn't matter.
I'm on the airport commission (KHIE). We've got a local lady who has a gene
ral reputation for being difficult; pick your favorite subject. Her most re
cent cause (for the last 4 or 5 years) has been to illogically hate the air
port.
Just about any time something airport comes up at the Town meetings (gotta
love New England), she'll stand up and unload. I've come to dread represent
ing the Town on the commission because it puts me in the position of having
to defend the airport from all this irrational argument in front of severa
l hundred people. The arguments can be creatively ridiculous and they can c
ome from nowhere, so there's only so much preparation one can do. I'm not a
good politician or public speaker, which compounds the problem.
Last spring we needed Town approval on an Article to clean up some neglecte
d administrative paperwork. There was no cost to the Town and no real decis
ion to be made, but she stood up and argued against it like we were trying
to institute Communism from the airport. On the up side, when she saw she w
asn't getting any buy-in from the people, her arguments got so impassioned
and over the top that she came off as just being nuts. It was so bad it was
laughable. I tried to defend the Article, but her negative diatribe sold t
he vote for us far more effectively than I could have ever done with a posi
tive argument.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Harvey Rule
Sent: Nov 22, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Joy of Flying
Take the guy for a ride in your plane free of charge once in a while.Maybe
nobody ever gave the poor sod a ride.
do not archive
> From: CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Joy of Flying
> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 23:32:32 -0800
>
>
> Oh great! Now you've sent me haring off into the world of antiquity!
> MY antiquity, Malvina, Seeger, Guthry,...... :-)
>
> There's two unique fields in my vicinity, one an ultralight field with a
> short 1000' strip and the other, where I'll keep mine, with 2500'.
>
> The ultralight one is private and has just about every imaginable structu
re
> on it. Rent a patch and put up whatever. $600 per year. Too bad it's
> so short. The other is owned by the " Greater Vancouver Regional
> District" and is in the Parksboard portfolio. Anything that goes up has
> to be a "real" building, code and all that. It's actually run and cared f
or
> by chapter 85 of the Canadian RAA. Originaly, prior to the existance
> of the RAA, it was chapter 85 of the EAA. As a part of the park
> system it has to be fully accessable to all and sundry AND wildlife. So
> NO CHAINLINK FENCES!!! :-)
>
> Unfortunately we have an enemy and it are not us (Thank you Pogo).
> Right off the end of Two Five is this guy who absolutely HATES the
> airfield. He's done everything he could to shut us down. He's been to
> every local council meeting and harangued, the GVRD and same, the
> provincial gov. and same. Fortunately he's severely outworn his welcome
> with every polititian and bureaucrate in the West. but we still have to
> beware his cunning. Another fortunality is that ALL aviation in Canada
> is under the sole perview of the Feds. And THAT has been tested in the
> courts. Oh yeah, ouside tiedown is $250 per year.
>
> Clif
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
> > For those who might not understand the reference:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_2lGkEU4Xs
> >
> > Supposedly called "the most santimonious song ever written" by Tom Lehr
er.
> >
> > Jim Ash
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Harvey Rule
> > They would NOT allow us to put up hangers like this at the field I fly
out
> > of. They all have to be made out of ticky tacky and they have t==
=============
>
>
>
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Guys,
I've been reading the list on-and-off for the past several months, enjoying
the information and good humor. I participated more actively in the late
'90s. I started building in 1995, but the project was in a deep sleep for
several years due to family, career, moves, etc. I've been back at work on
the Piet for the past couple of years. I thought you'd enjoy this story.
A couple of weeks ago, we were enjoying a brief, but welcome, warm spell
here in northern Colorado. I had my hangar door open. I was in the midst
of rearranging and cleaning, in anticipation of beginning work on the
wings. A large pickup drove up with an older couple inside. They stopped
but didn't get out or even open the windows. After a couple of minutes,
curiousity got the better of me. As I walked over to the truck, the window
rolled down.
The old fellow said, "I've been trying to figure out what 'that' is."
I said, which 'that'? There are many 'thats' in my hangar. He said "The
airplane. At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided it
wasn't."
I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
Who knew. I might have felt differently if I'd made many deviations from
the plans; but with a very limited set of exceptions, I've followed them
scrupulously. I still haven't had the heart to tell the airplane that it's
got big feet.
Cheers, Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
Oh! THAT'S a classic!
Clif
It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.
-- Epictetus (c.55-c.135)
"The airplane. At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided
it wasn't."
I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
Cheers, Ken
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