Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 12:36 AM - Re: Re: Joy of Flying (Clif Dawson)
2. 05:01 AM - Re: Joy of Building (Jim Markle)
3. 05:36 AM - Fuel line size (Gary Boothe)
4. 05:45 AM - the Ford A engine (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 05:46 AM - Re: Joy of Building (Kenneth Bickers)
6. 05:55 AM - Re: Fuel line size (Ben Charvet)
7. 05:57 AM - a few more yard monkey things to do (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
8. 06:26 AM - Re: a few more yard monkey things to do (TOM STINEMETZE)
9. 06:50 AM - Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... (Chris Rusch)
10. 06:58 AM - Re: Fuel line size (hvandervoo@aol.com)
11. 07:04 AM - Fuel tank (Rick Holland)
12. 07:17 AM - Re: Joy of Building (Don Heringhaus)
13. 07:41 AM - Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... (Ken Chambers)
14. 08:01 AM - Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... (Chris Rusch)
15. 08:30 AM - Re: Joy of Building (Jim Markle)
16. 08:47 AM - Re: Fuel tank (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
17. 09:03 AM - Re: Joy of Building (Kenneth Bickers)
18. 09:11 AM - Re: a few more yard monkey things to do (Dan Yocum)
19. 09:49 AM - Re: Fuel tank (Jim Markle)
20. 10:11 AM - Re: Fuel line size (Charles Campbell)
21. 10:49 AM - New Builder (integritywood)
22. 11:06 AM - Re: New Builder (Jack Phillips)
23. 11:31 AM - Re: Fuel line size (kevinpurtee)
24. 11:32 AM - Rib capstrip grain runout (integritywood)
25. 11:34 AM - Re: a few more yard monkey things to do (kevinpurtee)
26. 11:39 AM - Newbies (Charles Campbell)
27. 11:39 AM - Re: Rib capstrip grain runout (kevinpurtee)
28. 11:40 AM - Newby (Charles Campbell)
29. 11:41 AM - Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... (kevinpurtee)
30. 11:43 AM - Miss Banshee (Charles Campbell)
31. 11:56 AM - Re: New Builder (TOM STINEMETZE)
32. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: a few more yard monkey things to do (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
33. 12:53 PM - Re: New Builder (Tim Willis)
34. 01:56 PM - Re: a few more yard monkey things to do (echobravo4)
35. 02:44 PM - Re: a few more yard monkey things to do (Piet2112)
36. 03:05 PM - Re: a few more yard monkey things to do (TOM STINEMETZE)
37. 03:46 PM - Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
38. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Rib capstrip grain runout (Ben Charvet)
39. 04:26 PM - Re: Re: Rib capstrip grain runout (Kimball Isaac)
40. 04:39 PM - Re: a few more yard monkey things to do (helspersew@aol.com)
41. 05:27 PM - Re: Rib capstrip grain runout (Jack)
42. 05:49 PM - Re: New Builder (integritywood)
43. 06:52 PM - Inspiration for winter building (Kenneth Bickers)
44. 07:04 PM - Re: Re: Rib capstrip grain runout (Kimball Isaac)
45. 07:05 PM - Re: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! (Jim Markle)
46. 07:10 PM - Re: Inspiration for winter building (Gary Boothe)
47. 07:13 PM - Re: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! (Gary Boothe)
48. 07:48 PM - Re: Rib capstrip grain runout (Clif Dawson)
49. 08:31 PM - Re: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! (amsafetyc@aol.com)
50. 09:46 PM - Re: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! (Kimball Isaac)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
When this guy bought the place his intention was to raise fallow deer.
The municipality
wouldn't let him as they were concerned about them getting loose.
Somehow he got
it into his pin sized noggin that it was the airfields fault!! He still
thinks that getting
rid of the field will open the door to his desires. Now that the land
surounding him is
park and the powers that be are adamantly concerned with wildlife
protection I really
don't think there's ever going to be fallow deer allowed under any
circumstances.
Clif
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Harvey Rule
Take the guy for a ride in your plane free of charge once in a
while.Maybe nobody ever gave the poor sod a ride.
do not archive
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
Big feet....fat bottoms....around here those are terms of endearment!
Classic story, thanks.
Would you mind sending some more detailed pictures of your "axle anti rotate device"?
Maybe offline?
I think John Dilatush had something along those same lines on his beautiful Pietenpol
and I've always liked the idea. Looks like you bolted them onto the axle?
Thanks Ken.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Bickers
Sent: Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Joy of Building
Guys,
I've been reading the list on-and-off for the past several months, enjoying the
information and good humor. I participated more actively in the late '90s.
I started building in 1995, but the project was in a deep sleep for several years
due to family, career, moves, etc. I've been back at work on the Piet for
the past couple of years. I thought you'd enjoy this story.
A couple of weeks ago, we were enjoying a brief, but welcome, warm spell here in
northern Colorado. I had my hangar door open. I was in the midst of rearranging
and cleaning, in anticipation of beginning work on the wings. A large pickup
drove up with an older couple inside. They stopped but didn't get out or
even open the windows. After a couple of minutes, curiousity got the better
of me. As I walked over to the truck, the window rolled down.
The old fellow said, "I've been trying to figure out what 'that' is."
I said, which 'that'? There are many 'thats' in my hangar. He said "The airplane.
At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided it wasn't."
I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
Who knew. I might have felt differently if I'd made many deviations from the plans;
but with a very limited set of exceptions, I've followed them scrupulously.
I still haven't had the heart to tell the airplane that it's got big feet.
Cheers, Ken
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Corvair builders,
Are you using =BC=94 or 3/8=94 fuel line? Shad ' what size is your
fuel line?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down=85)
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | the Ford A engine |
Every now and then I'm reminded about the rich chest of treasures
that we have in Chris Tracy's WestCoastPiet site. I was scrounging
around this morning trying to find a good representative picture
of the Ford A engine installation to show a non-flying friend how
the radiator is set up in the Piet, and I went to go retrieve a
couple of representative samples. Dan Helsper's, Larry Williams'...
and then I remembered Ken Perkins.
If you ever want to just gaze at a picture of a beautiful engine
setup, just gaze at "orange Piet". Classic, beautiful setup
(but not to detract from the others!)
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Ken%20Perkins/images/17_orange_piet.jpg
There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of emeralds, rubies, and
diamonds just waiting among the photos at WestCoastPiet...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
Jim,
Attached are two pictures of my axle anti rotate device, actually a
four-link. My original plan was to do the pair of vertical pins that others
have used. I didn't like the idea of drilling holes on the vertical axis of
the axle. When I saw a reference to the Dilutch (sp?) system, I thought
that might be the way to go.
Getting the exact alignment for a parallelogram is important. So it seemed
more prudent to build them on a separate set of stubby tubes that I could
easily handle on my work bench. Then they could simply be bolted in place.
Better, the bolts could be aligned on the horizontal axis (i.e. neutral) of
the axle. I did shift to a much thicker wall for the rear spreader tube,
something on the order of 0.095, to resist bending and twisting forces on
it. I also offset the rear spreader by about an inch. Using this system,
the distance between the axle and the spreader determines the amount of
vertical play in the suspension system (though only at the mid-point of the
axle).
Attached are two pictures (the bolts in the pics are simple hardware store
variety. They'll be replaced with AN at final assembly).
Cheers, Ken
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>wrote:
> jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> Big feet....fat bottoms....around here those are terms of endearment!
>
> Classic story, thanks.
>
> Would you mind sending some more detailed pictures of your "axle anti
> rotate device"? Maybe offline?
>
> I think John Dilatush had something along those same lines on his beautiful
> Pietenpol and I've always liked the idea. Looks like you bolted them onto
> the axle?
>
> Thanks Ken.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Kenneth Bickers
>
> Sent: Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Joy of Building
>
>
> Guys,
>
> I've been reading the list on-and-off for the past several months, enjoying
> the information and good humor. I participated more actively in the late
> '90s. I started building in 1995, but the project was in a deep sleep for
> several years due to family, career, moves, etc. I've been back at work on
> the Piet for the past couple of years. I thought you'd enjoy this story.
>
>
> A couple of weeks ago, we were enjoying a brief, but welcome, warm spell
> here in northern Colorado. I had my hangar door open. I was in the midst
> of rearranging and cleaning, in anticipation of beginning work on the wings.
> A large pickup drove up with an older couple inside. They stopped but
> didn't get out or even open the windows. After a couple of minutes,
> curiousity got the better of me. As I walked over to the truck, the window
> rolled down.
>
>
> The old fellow said, "I've been trying to figure out what 'that' is."
>
> I said, which 'that'? There are many 'thats' in my hangar. He said "The
> airplane. At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided it
> wasn't."
>
> I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
>
> He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
>
> Who knew. I might have felt differently if I'd made many deviations from
> the plans; but with a very limited set of exceptions, I've followed them
> scrupulously. I still haven't had the heart to tell the airplane that it's
> got big feet.
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
I used 3/8 in line on mine,and I have an A-65
Ben
On 11/23/10, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Corvair builders,
>
>
> Are you using or 3/8 fuel line? Shad what size is your fuel line?
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (22 ribs down)
>
>
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | a few more yard monkey things to do |
The yard is dark the leaves are bleak and few more yard monkey things to do
before I sleep. We are getting down to the wire yes the frost has done its
work a no more lawn to contend with, no more fence to rebuild, done! no
more leaves to rake, gather and grind. just one more project and one more
trip to go. I got to finish installing the jet pump into the hot tub/spa and
one more business trip out of town.
As the holiday season quickly approaches now becomes the time of
Buildapalooza 2010. I been colleting parts, metal ad buying more tools to make
the
job go a bit smoother and on Friday, the black one while others are tripping
over each other tryng and fighting to deposit their hard earned cash ito
the pocket of Mr. retailer and Wally world, well I am cleaning my shop
organizing the tools and getting ready to begin the adventure once again.
I can think of no better way to celebrate commerce than with the reuniting
with my shop, tools and most importantly my beloved Piet project. There are
those days I feel like a junkie going through withdrawal looking to score
on some saw dust, some welding fumes or just a whiff epoxy resin to kick up
my allergies to the stuff. Soon I'll be clamping my fingers in the vice,
grinding off its of skin and making my blood contribution to her, my
mistress, she who cannot be ignored, I will begin in the morning and work into
the
evening hours, fitting, drilling sanding, grinding and doing the builders
dance as we prepare to go to her coming out party on the last week in July
just before Oshkosh. Oh what a celebration it will be, there will be the
meeting of new friends, ogling of the new Piet Princesses and the telling of
lies and the overboard consumption of beets in the hot sun of the
Wisconsin, Brodhead Brats,beets, Piets tents and flatulence, What a time it is
and
will be as the Piets promenade up and down the cotillion field displaying
their colors and making their dates proud to be a member of such a
distinguished group of builders.It is the culmination of thousands of hours, dollars
and Buildapaloozas that make this such a special event looking forward to
each coming year as no 2 years are ever the same, just proud Pieters old
and new standing tall, looking for ideas, friends, tools and the safe
anointment of the newest Axel Oleson
Its not even December yet and I am counting down the days till that magical
weekend in July as the adventure of the love affair continues.
John
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
John:
I was in tears! That's better than "The Night Before Christmas."
Stinemetze
N328X
>>> <AMsafetyC@aol.com> 11/23/2010 7:54 AM >>>
As the holiday season quickly approaches now becomes the time of Buildapalo
oza 2010. I been colleting parts, metal ad buying more tools to make the
job go a bit smoother and on Friday, the black one while others are
tripping over each other tryng and fighting to deposit their hard earned
cash ito the pocket of Mr. retailer and Wally world, well I am cleaning my
shop organizing the tools and getting ready to begin the adventure once
again.
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
Just finished rebuilding the mits engine, going back to the Dyno one more time,
then on the airframe for tests with the prop.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320598#320598
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1219_840.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1218_634.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1217_261.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1216_596.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1215_863.jpg
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
Gary,
3/8 for Fuel
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 7:37 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel line size
Corvair builders,
Are you using =C2=BC=9D or 3/8=9D fuel line? Shad =93 wha
t size is your fuel line?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down)
-
-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month --
-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)
-
-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on
-= the Contribution link below to find out more about
-= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided
-= by:
-
-= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com
-= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com
-= * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com
-
-= List Contribution Web Site:
-
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-
-= Thank you for your generous support!
-
-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
-
-========================
-= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -
-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
-= Photoshare, and much much more:
-
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
-
-========================
-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!
-
-= --> http://forums.matronics.com
-
-========================
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Guys
Can anyone recommend a place that makes custom aluminum fuel tanks?
thanks
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
Looks good to me Maybe the ole man needs new glasses
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
Hey Chris
Are you building this with a reduction drive? Seems like a saw a photo from
Broadhead with a reduction drive on it.
Ken
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Chris Rusch <rmdinfo@lakefield.net> wrote:
> >
>
> Just finished rebuilding the mits engine, going back to the Dyno one more
> time, then on the airframe for tests with the prop.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320598#320598
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1219_840.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1218_634.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1217_261.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1216_596.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1215_863.jpg
>
>
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
it will have a bearing housing that is not installed yet......i will post more
pictures as i finish putting on all of the accessories. I plan on video taping
the dyno runs, i will post links to those also.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320609#320609
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
This is excellent, thanks!
And that's some nice welding!
Thanks very much Ken.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Bickers
Sent: Nov 23, 2010 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Joy of Building
Jim,
Attached are two pictures of my axle anti rotate device, actually a four-link.
My original plan was to do the pair of vertical pins that others have used. I
didn't like the idea of drilling holes on the vertical axis of the axle. When
I saw a reference to the Dilutch (sp?) system, I thought that might be the way
to go.
Getting the exact alignment for a parallelogram is important. So it seemed more
prudent to build them on a separate set of stubby tubes that I could easily handle
on my work bench. Then they could simply be bolted in place. Better, the
bolts could be aligned on the horizontal axis (i.e. neutral) of the axle. I
did shift to a much thicker wall for the rear spreader tube, something on the
order of 0.095, to resist bending and twisting forces on it. I also offset the
rear spreader by about an inch. Using this system, the distance between the
axle and the spreader determines the amount of vertical play in the suspension
system (though only at the mid-point of the axle).
Attached are two pictures (the bolts in the pics are simple hardware store variety.
They'll be replaced with AN at final assembly).
Cheers, Ken
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
Big feet....fat bottoms....around here those are terms of endearment!
Classic story, thanks.
Would you mind sending some more detailed pictures of your "axle anti rotate device"?
Maybe offline?
I think John Dilatush had something along those same lines on his beautiful Pietenpol
and I've always liked the idea. Looks like you bolted them onto the axle?
Thanks Ken.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Bickers
Sent: Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Joy of Building
Guys,
I've been reading the list on-and-off for the past several months, enjoying the
information and good humor. I participated more actively in the late '90s.
I started building in 1995, but the project was in a deep sleep for several years
due to family, career, moves, etc. I've been back at work on the Piet for
the past couple of years. I thought you'd enjoy this story.
A couple of weeks ago, we were enjoying a brief, but welcome, warm spell here in
northern Colorado. I had my hangar door open. I was in the midst of rearranging
and cleaning, in anticipation of beginning work on the wings. A large pickup
drove up with an older couple inside. They stopped but didn't get out or
even open the windows. After a couple of minutes, curiousity got the better
of me. As I walked over to the truck, the window rolled down.
The old fellow said, "I've been trying to figure out what 'that' is."
I said, which 'that'? There are many 'thats' in my hangar. He said "The airplane.
At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided it wasn't."
I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
Who knew. I might have felt differently if I'd made many deviations from the plans;
but with a very limited set of exceptions, I've followed them scrupulously.
I still haven't had the heart to tell the airplane that it's got big feet.
/" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
omebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com
http:/r generous support!
Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
=============
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Try _www.aluminungastanks.net_ (http://www.aluminungastanks.net)
They will do what you want, I was satisfied with them.
Ted Stone/ building a piet
In a message dated 11/23/2010 10:05:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Guys
Can anyone recommend a place that makes custom aluminum fuel tanks?
thanks
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
(http://www.aeroelectric.com/)
(http://www.buildersbooks.com/)
(http://www.homebuilthelp.com/)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
Jim,
Thanks. But the compliments on the welding are really owed to two of the
EAA/SportAir sponsored gas welding classes: one, in the late 1990s held
in Nashville, TN; and the second, last fall in Indianapolis that my younger
son and I attended.
Cheers, Ken
Do Not Archive
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>wrote:
> jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> This is excellent, thanks!
>
> And that's some nice welding!
>
> Thanks very much Ken.
>
> jm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Kenneth Bickers
>
> Sent: Nov 23, 2010 7:40 AM
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Joy of Building
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Attached are two pictures of my axle anti rotate device, actually a
> four-link. My original plan was to do the pair of vertical pins that others
> have used. I didn't like the idea of drilling holes on the vertical axis of
> the axle. When I saw a reference to the Dilutch (sp?) system, I thought
> that might be the way to go.
>
>
> Getting the exact alignment for a parallelogram is important. So it seemed
> more prudent to build them on a separate set of stubby tubes that I could
> easily handle on my work bench. Then they could simply be bolted in place.
> Better, the bolts could be aligned on the horizontal axis (i.e. neutral) of
> the axle. I did shift to a much thicker wall for the rear spreader tube,
> something on the order of 0.095, to resist bending and twisting forces on
> it. I also offset the rear spreader by about an inch. Using this system,
> the distance between the axle and the spreader determines the amount of
> vertical play in the suspension system (though only at the mid-point of the
> axle).
>
>
> Attached are two pictures (the bolts in the pics are simple hardware store
> variety. They'll be replaced with AN at final assembly).
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
>
> Big feet....fat bottoms....around here those are terms of endearment!
>
> Classic story, thanks.
>
> Would you mind sending some more detailed pictures of your "axle anti
> rotate device"? Maybe offline?
>
>
> I think John Dilatush had something along those same lines on his beautiful
> Pietenpol and I've always liked the idea. Looks like you bolted them onto
> the axle?
>
> Thanks Ken.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Kenneth Bickers
>
> Sent: Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Joy of Building
>
>
> Guys,
>
> I've been reading the list on-and-off for the past several months, enjoying
> the information and good humor. I participated more actively in the late
> '90s. I started building in 1995, but the project was in a deep sleep for
> several years due to family, career, moves, etc. I've been back at work on
> the Piet for the past couple of years. I thought you'd enjoy this story.
>
>
> A couple of weeks ago, we were enjoying a brief, but welcome, warm spell
> here in northern Colorado. I had my hangar door open. I was in the midst
> of rearranging and cleaning, in anticipation of beginning work on the wings.
> A large pickup drove up with an older couple inside. They stopped but
> didn't get out or even open the windows. After a couple of minutes,
> curiousity got the better of me. As I walked over to the truck, the window
> rolled down.
>
>
> The old fellow said, "I've been trying to figure out what 'that' is."
>
> I said, which 'that'? There are many 'thats' in my hangar. He said "The
> airplane. At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided it
> wasn't."
>
>
> I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
>
> He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
>
>
> Who knew. I might have felt differently if I'd made many deviations from
> the plans; but with a very limited set of exceptions, I've followed them
> scrupulously. I still haven't had the heart to tell the airplane that it's
> got big feet.
>
>
> /" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>
> omebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com
>
> http:/r generous support!
>
> Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
>
> s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>
> =============
>
>
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
Hear, hear, good sir! Hear, hear!
Dan
do not archive
On 11/23/2010 07:54 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> The yard is dark the leaves are bleak and few more yard monkey things to
> do before I sleep. We are getting down to the wire yes the frost has
> done its work a no more lawn to contend with, no more fence to rebuild,
> done! no more leaves to rake, gather and grind. just one more project
> and one more trip to go. I got to finish installing the jet pump into
> the hot tub/spa and one more business trip out of town.
> As the holiday season quickly approaches now becomes the time of
> Buildapalooza 2010. I been colleting parts, metal ad buying more tools
> to make the job go a bit smoother and on Friday, the black one while
> others are tripping over each other tryng and fighting to deposit their
> hard earned cash ito the pocket of Mr. retailer and Wally world, well I
> am cleaning my shop organizing the tools and getting ready to begin the
> adventure once again.
> I can think of no better way to celebrate commerce than with the
> reuniting with my shop, tools and most importantly my beloved Piet
> project. There are those days I feel like a junkie going through
> withdrawal looking to score on some saw dust, some welding fumes or just
> a whiff epoxy resin to kick up my allergies to the stuff. Soon I'll be
> clamping my fingers in the vice, grinding off its of skin and making my
> blood contribution to her, my mistress, she who cannot be ignored, I
> will begin in the morning and work into the evening hours, fitting,
> drilling sanding, grinding and doing the builders dance as we prepare to
> go to her coming out party on the last week in July just before Oshkosh.
> Oh what a celebration it will be, there will be the meeting of new
> friends, ogling of the new Piet Princesses and the telling of lies and
> the overboard consumption of beets in the hot sun of the Wisconsin,
> Brodhead Brats,beets, Piets tents and flatulence, What a time it is and
> will be as the Piets promenade up and down the cotillion field
> displaying their colors and making their dates proud to be a member of
> such a distinguished group of builders.It is the culmination of
> thousands of hours, dollars and Buildapaloozas that make this such a
> special event looking forward to each coming year as no 2 years are ever
> the same, just proud Pieters old and new standing tall, looking for
> ideas, friends, tools and the safe anointment of the newest Axel Oleson
> Its not even December yet and I am counting down the days till that
> magical weekend in July as the adventure of the love affair continues.
> John
>
> *
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Wow, great site!
This link will work:
http://www.aluminumgastanks.net/
-----Original Message-----
From: TGSTONE236@aol.com
Sent: Nov 23, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank
Try www.aluminungastanks.net
They will do what you want, I was satisfied with them.
Ted Stone/ building a piet
In a message dated 11/23/2010 10:05:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Guys
Can anyone recommend a place that makes custom aluminum
fuel tanks?
thanks
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock,
Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
===================================
ttp://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com
m/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com
"http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com
tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
===================================
t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
===================================
ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
===================================
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
Haven't gotten that far yet! Chuck cncampbell@windstream.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel line size
Corvair builders,
Are you using =BC" or 3/8" fuel line? Shad - what size is your fuel
line?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Hi all
First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years or so
ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane. Looking back it
likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch plywood, weighed in at 3500 lbs
empty, and been powered by a snowmobile engine. Oh the optimism of youth! Then
came real life, having a family making a living, etc... But the dream of
flight stayed nestled quietly in the back of my mind, fanned once in a while with
a ride or even just watching a small plane fly by. A year and a half or so
ago the ember started glowing brighter again and with a little encouragement
burst into a flaming desire I can't seem to extinguish (okay I'm not trying very
hard).
with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't so off the
wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then I found the Pietenpol.
Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I can taste it. Ive lurked
here daily in the last year trying to learn all I could about her but to shy
to speak up till I could say Ive started building. Well Ive started. Finished
my rib jig yest and started cutting pieces, What a feeling. My wife is doing
very well with it considering small planes scare her. I tell her many Piets
take 10 or more years to complete so she doesn't have to worry for a while [Wink]
Anyhow, thanks Cliff for your kindly reply to my email the other day and
Michael for your hint video's.
See you around
Kim(ball)
--------
"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10 years
from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320629#320629
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Kim,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and the even more wonderful
world of Pietenpol People. You will find this to be a life-changing
experience. With this airplane project you will find many challenges and
rewards, frustrations and moments of great pride. With this list you will
find much good information, some bad information, much extraneous
information, a wealth of humor, some excellent sarcasm, and a number of
never-to-be-expected friends.
Just to beat Mike Cuy to saying it, if you haven't already, please buy the
four Tony Bingelis books from EAA - The Sportplane Builder, Sportplane
Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis on Engines.
They are excellent sources of information and contain just about everything
you need to know to build an airplane. Whatever information they lack can
be acquired here or at one of the forums at Oshkosh or Sun 'n' Fun.
Plan to attend Brodhead if possible. Next year it will be Friday July 22 -
Sunday July 24. That will be your best chance to see a fairly large number
of Pietenpols all in one place.
Are you a pilot yet? If not, go ahead and get your license while building
your Pietenpol. Where are you located?
Good Luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
integritywood
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
<kim.integrity@gmail.com>
Hi all
First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years or
so ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane. Looking
back it likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch plywood, weighed in
at 3500 lbs empty, and been powered by a snowmobile engine. Oh the optimism
of youth! Then came real life, having a family making a living, etc... But
the dream of flight stayed nestled quietly in the back of my mind, fanned
once in a while with a ride or even just watching a small plane fly by. A
year and a half or so ago the ember started glowing brighter again and with
a little encouragement burst into a flaming desire I can't seem to
extinguish (okay I'm not trying very hard).
with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't so
off the wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then I
found the Pietenpol. Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I can
taste it. Ive lurked here daily in the last year trying to learn all I could
about her but to shy to speak up till I could say Ive started building. Well
Ive started. Finished my rib jig yest and started cutting pieces, What a
feeling. My wife is doing very well with it considering small planes scare
her. I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to complete so she doesn't
have to worry for a while [Wink] Anyhow, thanks Cliff for your kindly reply
to my email the other day and Michael for your hint video's.
See you around
Kim(ball)
--------
"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10
years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320629#320629
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
3/8" Gary
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320633#320633
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Rib capstrip grain runout |
Hi
I've read numerous comments on ribs being over built. Some of my capstris have
up to 1:6 grain runout. Are the ribs stout enough I can use this up in the webbing
or do I need to cull this out? (see attached photo.
thanks
Kim
--------
"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10 years
from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320634#320634
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20101123_110408_434.jpg
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
Who said a PHD would go to waste on John?
Nicely put, my friend.
Whoever gets "Axel" in 2011 will have to be known as "Axel II." I earned that
nickname.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320635#320635
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Two in one day!!! You guys are growing!
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Rib capstrip grain runout |
Personally, I'd use the top ones and cull the bottom one based on the photo.
Hopefully the A&Ps and IAs will weigh in.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320636#320636
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
In the military anytime a new guy comes on the scene he is called a
Newby. That's me. Name is Chuck Campbell. Dan Helsper led me to this
list. I have been building an AirCamper since last May. Have all the
ribs done, the tail surfaces done except for varnishing and
covering/painting. Fuselage is about half done. Have the wood for the
wing spars. Just need to rip them to the proper width. Am getting
ready to installl the controls in the fuselage. As soon as that is
complete I can put on the plywood sides, seats, turtle-back etc. I have
just about all the metal pieces ready to go. Dan has been helping me by
showing me how to get to the Stewart glue videos. I want some info from
some of you guys (like Shad Bell and Rick Holland) who used house paint.
I don't have access to a paint booth to use the Stewart paint system.
All I have is a couple of paint brushes. Any word of advice from any of
you would be appreciated. I've been flying about all of my adult life
but am plowing new ground building this Piet.
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
Very cool!
do not archive
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320637#320637
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Hans, I keep an 8X10 picture of your Piet on or around my project as
inspiration. I'm also planning to use a William Wynn Corvair in my Piet
-- eventually.
Message 31
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Kimball:
Your story sounds a whole lot like my own. I started at year 54 and am
still making good progress at year 60 with a couple of intervals of slow
work and frustration. So, just a quick word of advice (and worth every
penny):
Seek out your local EAA chapter if you have one and cultivate the guys who
either are building or have already built some kind of airplane.
Avoid the guys who just like to talk but have never built anything for
themselves.
Buy the full set of Tony Bingillis (sp) books from the EAA bookstore and
READ THEM.
Get the videos from Mike Cuy (http://www.flyingwood.com/NX48MC.htm) and
Chuck Gantzer (http://nx770cg.com/) and go to sleep watching them often.
And above all - Stay On This List!!!! Ask the questions no matter how
dumb it might make you feel. If these guys ever put you down it will be
in jest and will probably be followed by great advice.
Decide on your engine of choice early on as this affects some of your
later decisions. (Yes, there are other acceptable choices that are not
certifiable aircraft engines.)
When you hit one of those discouraging moments (and you will), share it
with the group. We have all been there and can help get you through it.
Beware the eBay aircraft instrument factory.
Welcome to the wonderful world of the Fabulous Pietenpol Flying Machine!
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> "integritywood" <kim.integrity@gmail.com> 11/23/2010 12:46 PM >>>
I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to complete so she doesn't
have to worry for a while [Wink] Anyhow, thanks Cliff for your kindly
reply to my email the other day and Michael for your hint video's.
See you around
Message 32
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
True enough, however since you were the original single Axel, you should be
the only one with the stripes to award the next follower as the double
Axel. Is this honor belongs to you and you only I doubt we will ever see the
likes of a double Axel landing.
Its all on you my man!
I could never get those quite straight in my mind
single Axel. triple sow cow, double toe loop, ground loop, double malt and
the obligatory single barrel .single shot and the over under.
Anyone care to assist in this endeavor?
Do not eve think of archiving, till we get this mess straightened out.
John
I think I am gonna get groped on my next trip out, it makes flying into
midway a whole new experience, I am going to demand a female TSA groper,
otherwise its my junk is bigger that your junk kinda day!
In a message dated 11/23/2010 2:35:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kevin.purtee@us.army.mil writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee"
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Who said a PHD would go to waste on John?
Nicely put, my friend.
Whoever gets "Axel" in 2011 will have to be known as "Axel II." I earned
that nickname.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320635#320635
Message 33
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Kim,
Amen to all Jack P. said. This is a great group and a great plane. I'll add a
few things Jack, Mike, and many others have said before: build it to plans and
keep it light. Enjoy it all.
Tim in central tX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Nov 23, 2010 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
Kim,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and the even more wonderful world
of Pietenpol People. You will find this to be a life-changing experience. With
this airplane project you will find many challenges and rewards, frustrations
and moments of great pride. With this list you will find much good information,
some bad information, much extraneous information, a wealth of humor, some
excellent sarcasm, and a number of never-to-be-expected friends.
Just to beat Mike Cuy to saying it, if you haven't already, please buy the four
Tony Bingelis books from EAA - The Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction
Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis on Engines. They are excellent
sources of information and contain just about everything you need to know
to build an airplane. Whatever information they lack can be acquired here or
at one of the forums at Oshkosh or Sun 'n' Fun.
Plan to attend Brodhead if possible. Next year it will be Friday July 22 - Sunday
July 24. That will be your best chance to see a fairly large number of Pietenpols
all in one place.
Are you a pilot yet? If not, go ahead and get your license while building your
Pietenpol. Where are you located?
Good Luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of integritywood
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
Hi all
First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years or so
ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane. Looking back it
likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch plywood, weighed in at 3500 lbs
empty, and been powered by a snowmobile engine. Oh the optimism of youth! Then
came real life, having a family making a living, etc... But the dream of
flight stayed nestled quietly in the back of my mind, fanned once in a while with
a ride or even just watching a small plane fly by. A year and a half or so
ago the ember started glowing brighter again and with a little encouragement
burst into a flaming desire I can't seem to extinguish (okay I'm not trying very
hard).
with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't so off the
wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then I found the Pietenpol.
Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I can taste it. Ive lurked
here daily in the last year trying to learn all I could about her but to shy
to speak up till I could say Ive started building. Well Ive started. Finished
my rib jig yest and started cutting pieces, What a feeling. My wife is doing
very well with it considering small planes scare her. I tell her many Piets
take 10 or more years to complete so she doesn't have to worry for a while [Wink]
Anyhow, thanks Cliff for your kindly reply to my email the other day and
Michael for your hint video's.
See you around
Kim(ball)
--------
"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10 years
from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
<clip>
Message 34
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
Just pulled my Hor. Stab. out of the jig this morning!
Thanks for the inspiration John!
Earl
do not archive
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320664#320664
Message 35
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
A couple of more hours of cure time, and my second half of my fuselage will be
coming out of it's jig!
Home is where the homebuilt is,
Curt Merdan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320669#320669
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_1573_923.jpg
Message 36
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
Hey Kurt:
That kinda looks like a wing rib for something about the size of a Ford
Tri-Motor. Ever think about trying something just a tad bigger?
Stinemetze
N328X
do not archive
>>> "Piet2112" <curtdm@gmail.com> 11/23/2010 4:40 PM >>>
A couple of more hours of cure time, and my second half of my fuselage
will be coming out of it's jig!
Home is where the homebuilt is,
Curt Merdan
Message 37
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! |
Hello Kim and thanks for speaking up and posting after reading our postings over
the past year.
For me there were several stages I went thru during the building process and preconceived
notions I had
upon going into it that I'll try to relate as they come to mind.
1) Building an airplane isn't for everyone. We have some Phd researchers here
where I work than understand
nanotechnology almost to sub-atomic levels yet I wouldn't let some of them even
try to help me duct tape two
pieces of wood together because they just don't have a mechanical mind or hands.
2)When you get frustrated, take a break, step back, do some doodling, sketch out
some of your ideas, read the
Tony Bingelis books (if you don't buy them I will push pins into some voodoo doll:)
(thanks for mentioning those
books Jack Phillips--you're right !) and take your time.
3) Don't overthink things. Just buy aircraft grade wood, glue, 4130 steel, and
real AN hardware. If you must substitute
non-aircraft grade materials really make sure you're not doing it on something
super critical like your wing strut attachment
bolts or propeller bolts.
4) Every time you try to go cheap or cut corners, think of who you might kill because
you needed to save $25 that week. Just
wait until you have enough money to buy something you know is of good quality.
5) Being thrifty is a great thing about homebuilding-- do scrounge, do look for
discarded project wood bundles, instruments,hardware,
and used motors, wheels, and brakes but don't pull a Sanford and Son if only for
the Young Eagle rides you might give or that ride
to your loving wife or children.
6) Some like to pontificate, yack, do multi-year research projects on exactly what
is the best widget to use to glue a gusset to a capstrip
and some like to build a good solid to-the-plans airplane and enjoy flying it.
Every day you waste reinventing the wheel is that many more days you don't have
on this earth to enjoy flying your completed airplane. If you're a thinker
and love to do that kind of research, have at it, enjoy it, and you'll learn
more than any of the rest of us and I'd love to be the one to listen to hear
what you've learned but if you want to build, finish, and enjoy flying it, all
the power to your type of personality as well. Both types are ALWAYS welcomed
here. We are all different and whatever suites you best--you do it.
7) don't listen to old wives tales about construction techniques. Unless you're
talking with an A&P mechanic, a guy or gal who has actually built and flown
an airplane successfully, or someone that you really trust who has outstanding
aircraft knowledge, just believe what methods and techniques for building that
are contained in the Tony Bingelis books. I believe that Tony built and
flew 7 airplanes over his lifetime and his books were the final word for me, the
bible if you will of helping me make my decisions when I got whishy-washy unsure
and conflicting answers to my questions to the list or the guys out at the
airport.
8) There are a zillion ways to do just about every part of the airplane but generally
speaking, unless you are making a cosmetic change (like I did by raising
my firewall, instrument panels, and turtle deck 1" higher than the plans show)
you'll save yourself lots of headaches by using the design that has proven
to fly good as blueprinted over 80 years ago now. Not to say that there are
many great mods that folks have come up with because they have and some of them
are BETTER than how the plane was designed in the first place but the fact
remains that if you are not comfortable with redesigning the wheel and your gut
gives you a lousy feeling about this part or that-- don't do it.
9) There are some REALLY great mods I love that I wish I would have incorporated
into my plane. Make the wing longer---your plane will be able to LIFT
more weight on the same power. Aeronca Champs and Cubs have what, 35 foot long
wings and they can lift TONS of weight but the Piet wing is only 29 feet long.
Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and others have longer wings than plans or wider
center sections to make the effective overall wing longer which is a GREAT move
to make ! If I had to do it over again I would add probably 2 or 3 feet
to my overall wingspan. Probably 3.
10) Don't worry about setting a time table. I foolishly proclaimed I would finish
my plane in 2 years and experienced builders upon hearing this would have
to visibly suppress their laughter and it made me frustrated because I was going
to prove them wrong. Yeah right. See 11 for answer)
11) Mike Cuy's Builder's Rule of Thumb for Task Completion Prediction Time Frames:
Whatever amount of time you think it will take you to complete a task, multiply
it by 2 for the realistic time it will take you. Your mileage may vary
but my fantasy-to-reality conversion time factor was 2.
12) You will learn an enormous amount of really enjoyable new skills and talents
by the time you finish your airplane. Perhaps you'll learn how to weld, to
lace wire wheels, to cut Lexan or form Plexiglass, to orient wood grain properly,
how to correctly install bolts and why they go in this way and not that
way, you'll learn how to apply fabric, how to rib stitch, how to spray paint
and put the finishing layers of paint on your plane, you might learn how to rebuild
a nice used Continental A-65 run-out Piper Cub or Luscombe engine or how
to overhaul a set of magnetos. You'll learn how to choose what length and
pitch prop to use and how tight to make the bolts and what bolts and nuts are
acceptable on metal vs. wood props. You'll learn maybe how to cut leather and
lace it around your cockpit areas or maybe you'll learn how to swage nicopress
sleeves on aircraft grade cable to make up all of your various control systems.
You'll learn to avoid negative people who might say "you're never going
to finish this are you let alone FLY in it are you ?" Think of the money you'll
save by taking all of those naysayers off of your Christmas card list then
never giving their kids a ride because they were such butt holes when you were
in the thick of building the dream of your lifetime. (okay....you can take
them off your Christmas card list but at least give their kids rides---they
can't help it they have ignorant and negative parents:)
13) Don't GIVE UP ! Do NOT SELL your project EVER !!!!!!! Don't go to your
sick bed or nursing home saying "gosh, I wish I would have kept that Piet project
instead of selling it because we needed to buy little Johnny a used car."
You can always shelve your project for a few years til kids are thru college
or you get thru your divorce or your illness but don't ever give up your bucket
list DREAM of a lifetime. How many people out there can actually say "YES--
I had this dream since I was about 18 and the Good Lord gave me the opportunity
and skills and finances to see fit that I could do it now at this point
in my life and my dream upon a star has come true and now I can give rides, have
fun flying it on smooth summer nights, and share what I learned with new Pietenpol
builders following that very same dream. You sure will sleep good
knowing you accomplished building and flying your own airplane. I can't think
of a better bucket list checkmark to have for a person who can't shake that
burning desire to someday build and fly their own airplane.
14) Lastly and most importantly-- I used to think that building and flying my Piet
was the MOST important thing I would do for myself and I knew I wanted to
share it, to give rides, and to infect others with how much fun and inexpensive
open cockpit low and slow flying really is but you know what I found was an
even MORE important joy that continues to be far and above the most rewarding
part of my building and flying days ? The incredibly fond friendships I have
formed with fellow Pietenpol builders, enthusiasts, and retired Pietenpol flyers
and up and coming Pietenpol builders.
I have been blessed by getting to know so amazing people with amazing talents,
skills, and even some who can't even cut a piece of paper straight but they can
make me laugh until the tears are streaming down my face or they will listen
to me on the phone about my personal life's issues good or bad, or they will
e-mail me off list and ask me how I am doing. They will share that they just
lost a Mom or Dad and I will hurt for them and pray for them. They will do
the same for me. Those Pietenpol friends will meet me halfway enroute to Brodhead
to share a good meal at a local pub or restaurant, they will let me know
when they will be passing thru Cleveland so I can try to make them buy me dinner,
they will listen to me complain about stupid stuff that I shouldn't even
be complaining about and I will do the same for them because they are REALLY special
people in my life now and even if I didn't own the airplane anymore or
I lost my medical ability to fly, I would still have those incredible friendships
that all came about, much to my surprise, just because I decided to build
and fly one of these wood crates with wings.
Carry on,
Mike C.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:50 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>
><timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
>Kim,
>Amen to all Jack P. said. This is a great group and a great plane.
>I'll add a few things Jack, Mike, and many others have said before:
>build it to plans and keep it light. Enjoy it all.
>Tim in central tX
>do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips
>Sent: Nov 23, 2010 1:04 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>
>Kim,
>Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and the even more wonderful
>world of Pietenpol People. You will find this to be a life-changing
>experience. With this airplane project you will find many challenges
>and rewards, frustrations and moments of great pride. With this list
>you will find much good information, some bad information, much
>extraneous information, a wealth of humor, some excellent sarcasm, and a
>number of never-to-be-expected friends.
>Just to beat Mike Cuy to saying it, if you haven't already, please buy
>the four Tony Bingelis books from EAA - The Sportplane Builder,
>Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis
>on Engines. They are excellent sources of information and contain just
>about everything you need to know to build an airplane. Whatever
>information they lack can be acquired here or at one of the forums at
>Oshkosh or Sun 'n' Fun.
>Plan to attend Brodhead if possible. Next year it will be Friday July
>22 - Sunday July 24. That will be your best chance to see a fairly
>large number of Pietenpols all in one place.
>Are you a pilot yet? If not, go ahead and get your license while
>building your Pietenpol. Where are you located?
>Good Luck!
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>Raleigh, NC
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of integritywood
>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:47 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
><kim.integrity@gmail.com>
>Hi all
>First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years
>or so ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane.
>Looking back it likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch
>plywood, weighed in at 3500 lbs empty, and been powered by a snowmobile
>engine. Oh the optimism of youth! Then came real life, having a family
>making a living, etc... But the dream of flight stayed nestled quietly
>in the back of my mind, fanned once in a while with a ride or even just
>watching a small plane fly by. A year and a half or so ago the ember
>started glowing brighter again and with a little encouragement burst
>into a flaming desire I can't seem to extinguish (okay I'm not trying
>very hard).
>with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't
>so off the wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then
>I found the Pietenpol. Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I
>can taste it. Ive lurked here daily in the last year trying to learn all
>I could about her but to shy to speak up till I could say Ive started
>building. Well Ive started. Finished my rib jig yest and started cutting
>pieces, What a feeling. My wife is doing very well with it considering
>small planes scare her. I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to
>complete so she doesn't have to worry for a while [Wink] Anyhow, thanks
>Cliff for your kindly reply to my email the other day and Michael for
>your hint video's.
>See you around
>Kim(ball)
>--------
>"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that
>10 years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H.
>Pietenpol
><clip>
>
>
Message 38
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Rib capstrip grain runout |
I agree with Kevin. You may be able to use parts of that strip with
less runout for the cross braces, though.
Ben
On 11/23/2010 2:37 PM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee"<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Personally, I'd use the top ones and cull the bottom one based on the photo.
>
> Hopefully the A&Ps and IAs will weigh in.
>
> --------
> Kevin"Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320636#320636
>
>
Message 39
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Rib capstrip grain runout |
Appreciate the advice. I guess that's why I joined the list
On 2010-11-23 4:22 PM, "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with Kevin. You may be able to use parts of that strip with
> less runout for the cross braces, though.
>
> Ben
> On 11/23/2010 2:37 PM, kevinpurtee wrote:
kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>>
>> Personally, I'd use the top ones and cull the bottom one based on the
photo.
>>
>> Hopefully the A&Ps and IAs will weigh in.
>>
>> --------
>> Kevin"Axel" Purtee
>> NX899KP
>> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320636#320636
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Message 40
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
Now THAT'S what I'm talk'n 'bout............. Been wait'n for this rant for
weeks!!....................Look'n forward to the winter, now that thats ou
t of the way. Have a few projects to take care of. Engine problems, fuel ta
nk leaks etc.,,................. but they all seem to shrink in scope, aft
er hear'n the annual autumn "end of yard work season" rant from J.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC <AMsafetyC@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 7:58 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a few more yard monkey things to do
The yard is dark the leaves are bleak and few more yard monkey things to do
before I sleep. We are getting down to the wire yes the frost has done its
work a no more lawn to contend with, no more fence to rebuild, done! no mo
re leaves to rake, gather and grind. just one more project and one more tri
p to go. I got to finish installing the jet pump into the hot tub/spa and o
ne more business trip out of town.
As the holiday season quickly approaches now becomes the time of Buildapalo
oza 2010. I been colleting parts, metal ad buying more tools to make the jo
b go a bit smoother and on Friday, the black one while others are tripping
over each other tryng and fighting to deposit their hard earned cash ito th
e pocket of Mr. retailer and Wally world, well I am cleaning my shop organi
zing the tools and getting ready to begin the adventure once again.
I can think of no better way to celebrate commerce than with the reuniting
with my shop, tools and most importantly my beloved Piet project. There are
those days I feel like a junkie going through withdrawal looking to score
on some saw dust, some welding fumes or just a whiff epoxy resin to kick up
my allergies to the stuff. Soon I'll be clamping my fingers in the vice, g
rinding off its of skin and making my blood contribution to her, my mistres
s, she who cannot be ignored, I will begin in the morning and work into the
evening hours, fitting, drilling sanding, grinding and doing the builders
dance as we prepare to go to her coming out party on the last week in July
just before Oshkosh. Oh what a celebration it will be, there will be the me
eting of new friends, ogling of the new Piet Princesses and the telling of
lies and the overboard consumption of beets in the hot sun of the Wisconsi
n, Brodhead Brats,beets, Piets tents and flatulence, What a time it is and
will be as the Piets promenade up and down the cotillion field displaying t
heir colors and making their dates proud to be a member of such a distingui
shed group of builders.It is the culmination of thousands of hours, dollars
and Buildapaloozas that make this such a special event looking forward to
each coming year as no 2 years are ever the same, just proud Pieters old
and new standing tall, looking for ideas, friends, tools and the safe anoin
tment of the newest Axel Oleson
Its not even December yet and I am counting down the days till that magical
weekend in July as the adventure of the love affair continues.
John
-
-= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month --
-= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)
-
-= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on
-= the Contribution link below to find out more about
-= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided
-= by:
-
-= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com
-= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com
-= * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com
-
-= List Contribution Web Site:
-
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-
-= Thank you for your generous support!
-
-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
-
-========================
-= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -
-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
-= Photoshare, and much much more:
-
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
-
-========================
-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!
-
-= --> http://forums.matronics.com
-
-========================
Message 41
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Rib capstrip grain runout |
Kim,
I would cull them ALL out, send them to Jack Textor, Des Moines and I will
use them for kindling. Seriously, the ribs are twice the size they need to
be, Use the ones you are concerned with in the webbing, to stir epoxy or
whatever. Enjoy the build!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
integritywood
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib capstrip grain runout
<kim.integrity@gmail.com>
Hi
I've read numerous comments on ribs being over built. Some of my capstris
have up to 1:6 grain runout. Are the ribs stout enough I can use this up in
the webbing or do I need to cull this out? (see attached photo.
thanks
Kim
--------
"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10
years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320634#320634
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20101123_110408_434.jpg
Message 42
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Good evening and thanks for the welcome.
Glad to be able to say I have Bingelis's "famous four" you can put away your voodoo
doll Mike. I have also read them, some parts more than once. Jack I live
in the Central Interior of British Columbia. I am hinting quite openly at a trip
to Wisconsin next summer we have friends there. Tom I'm starting in year 36
hope to be in it before I'm 50. (Do I have to multiply by 2 Mike?) In your advised
video list you forgot TGWP. I also hope to stick close to the plans Tim
as I don't need any extra weight. I'm 245 and falling. should help if I build
over meal times which I can as I'm self employed and work at home.
Cheers
Kim
100's of pieces cut
--------
"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10 years
from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320694#320694
Message 43
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Inspiration for winter building |
Guys,
For those of us looking for additional motivation for the winter building
season, it is nice to draw inspiration from the summer extravaganzas of
ingatherings of Pietenpols and other wonderful flying machines. Follow the
link to the slide show that my son, Kevin, put together after our trip to
Brodhead and Oshkosh in 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcn-QjPl8N8.
Even our dog is looking forward to the winter building season.
Cheers, Ken
Message 44
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Rib capstrip grain runout |
Ha I've heard that line before
The temp was 24 below this morn so anything unusable might kindle my own
fire. Sorry Jack.Do not archive unless you feel its really important
On 2010-11-23 5:30 PM, "Jack" <jack@textors.com> wrote:
>
> Kim,
> I would cull them ALL out, send them to Jack Textor, Des Moines and I will
> use them for kindling. Seriously, the ribs are twice the size they need to
> be, Use the ones you are concerned with in the webbing, to stir epoxy or
> whatever. Enjoy the build!
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> integritywood
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:29 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib capstrip grain runout
>
> <kim.integrity@gmail.com>
>
> Hi
> I've read numerous comments on ribs being over built. Some of my capstris
> have up to 1:6 grain runout. Are the ribs stout enough I can use this up
in
> the webbing or do I need to cull this out? (see attached photo.
> thanks
> Kim
>
> --------
> "She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10
> years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320634#320634
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20101123_110408_434.jpg
>
>
Message 45
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! |
1. Print out a copy of this message.
2. Frame it and hang it in your shop.....
nuff' said....
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Nov 23, 2010 5:44 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim !
>
>
>Hello Kim and thanks for speaking up and posting after reading our postings over
the past year.
>
>For me there were several stages I went thru during the building process and preconceived
notions I had
>upon going into it that I'll try to relate as they come to mind.
>
>1) Building an airplane isn't for everyone. We have some Phd researchers here
where I work than understand
>nanotechnology almost to sub-atomic levels yet I wouldn't let some of them even
try to help me duct tape two
>pieces of wood together because they just don't have a mechanical mind or hands.
>
>2)When you get frustrated, take a break, step back, do some doodling, sketch out
some of your ideas, read the
>Tony Bingelis books (if you don't buy them I will push pins into some voodoo
doll:) (thanks for mentioning those
>books Jack Phillips--you're right !) and take your time.
>
>3) Don't overthink things. Just buy aircraft grade wood, glue, 4130 steel, and
real AN hardware. If you must substitute
>non-aircraft grade materials really make sure you're not doing it on something
super critical like your wing strut attachment
>bolts or propeller bolts.
>
>4) Every time you try to go cheap or cut corners, think of who you might kill
because you needed to save $25 that week. Just
>wait until you have enough money to buy something you know is of good quality.
>
>5) Being thrifty is a great thing about homebuilding-- do scrounge, do look for
discarded project wood bundles, instruments,hardware,
>and used motors, wheels, and brakes but don't pull a Sanford and Son if only for
the Young Eagle rides you might give or that ride
>to your loving wife or children.
>
>6) Some like to pontificate, yack, do multi-year research projects on exactly
what is the best widget to use to glue a gusset to a capstrip
>and some like to build a good solid to-the-plans airplane and enjoy flying it.
Every day you waste reinventing the wheel is that many more days you don't
have on this earth to enjoy flying your completed airplane. If you're a thinker
and love to do that kind of research, have at it, enjoy it, and you'll learn
more than any of the rest of us and I'd love to be the one to listen to hear
what you've learned but if you want to build, finish, and enjoy flying it,
all the power to your type of personality as well. Both types are ALWAYS welcomed
here. We are all different and whatever suites you best--you do it.
>
>7) don't listen to old wives tales about construction techniques. Unless you're
talking with an A&P mechanic, a guy or gal who has actually built and flown
an airplane successfully, or someone that you really trust who has outstanding
aircraft knowledge, just believe what methods and techniques for building that
are contained in the Tony Bingelis books. I believe that Tony built and
flew 7 airplanes over his lifetime and his books were the final word for me,
the bible if you will of helping me make my decisions when I got whishy-washy
unsure and conflicting answers to my questions to the list or the guys out at
the airport.
>
>8) There are a zillion ways to do just about every part of the airplane but generally
speaking, unless you are making a cosmetic change (like I did by raising
my firewall, instrument panels, and turtle deck 1" higher than the plans show)
you'll save yourself lots of headaches by using the design that has proven
to fly good as blueprinted over 80 years ago now. Not to say that there are
many great mods that folks have come up with because they have and some of
them are BETTER than how the plane was designed in the first place but the fact
remains that if you are not comfortable with redesigning the wheel and your
gut gives you a lousy feeling about this part or that-- don't do it.
>
>9) There are some REALLY great mods I love that I wish I would have incorporated
into my plane. Make the wing longer---your plane will be able to LIFT
>more weight on the same power. Aeronca Champs and Cubs have what, 35 foot long
wings and they can lift TONS of weight but the Piet wing is only 29 feet long.
Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and others have longer wings than plans or wider
center sections to make the effective overall wing longer which is a GREAT
move to make ! If I had to do it over again I would add probably 2 or 3 feet
to my overall wingspan. Probably 3.
>
>10) Don't worry about setting a time table. I foolishly proclaimed I would finish
my plane in 2 years and experienced builders upon hearing this would have
to visibly suppress their laughter and it made me frustrated because I was going
to prove them wrong. Yeah right. See 11 for answer)
>
>11) Mike Cuy's Builder's Rule of Thumb for Task Completion Prediction Time Frames:
Whatever amount of time you think it will take you to complete a task, multiply
it by 2 for the realistic time it will take you. Your mileage may
vary but my fantasy-to-reality conversion time factor was 2.
>
>12) You will learn an enormous amount of really enjoyable new skills and talents
by the time you finish your airplane. Perhaps you'll learn how to weld,
to lace wire wheels, to cut Lexan or form Plexiglass, to orient wood grain properly,
how to correctly install bolts and why they go in this way and not that
way, you'll learn how to apply fabric, how to rib stitch, how to spray paint
and put the finishing layers of paint on your plane, you might learn how to
rebuild a nice used Continental A-65 run-out Piper Cub or Luscombe engine or how
to overhaul a set of magnetos. You'll learn how to choose what length and
pitch prop to use and how tight to make the bolts and what bolts and nuts are
acceptable on metal vs. wood props. You'll learn maybe how to cut leather and
lace it around your cockpit areas or maybe you'll learn how to swage nicopress
sleeves on aircraft grade cable to make up all of your various control systems.
You'll learn to avoid negative people who mig
!
> ht say "you're never going to finish this are you let alone FLY in it are you
?" Think of the money you'll save by taking all of those naysayers off of
your Christmas card list then never giving their kids a ride because they were
such butt holes when you were in the thick of building the dream of your lifetime.
(okay....you can take them off your Christmas card list but at least give
their kids rides---they can't help it they have ignorant and negative parents:)
>
>13) Don't GIVE UP ! Do NOT SELL your project EVER !!!!!!! Don't go to your
sick bed or nursing home saying "gosh, I wish I would have kept that Piet project
instead of selling it because we needed to buy little Johnny a used car."
You can always shelve your project for a few years til kids are thru college
or you get thru your divorce or your illness but don't ever give up your bucket
list DREAM of a lifetime. How many people out there can actually say "YES--
I had this dream since I was about 18 and the Good Lord gave me the opportunity
and skills and finances to see fit that I could do it now at this point
in my life and my dream upon a star has come true and now I can give rides,
have fun flying it on smooth summer nights, and share what I learned with new
Pietenpol builders following that very same dream. You sure will sleep good
knowing you accomplished building and flying your own airplane. I can't think
of a better bucket list checkmark to have for a p
!
> erson who can't shake that burning desire to someday build and fly their own
airplane.
>
>14) Lastly and most importantly-- I used to think that building and flying my
Piet was the MOST important thing I would do for myself and I knew I wanted to
share it, to give rides, and to infect others with how much fun and inexpensive
open cockpit low and slow flying really is but you know what I found was an
even MORE important joy that continues to be far and above the most rewarding
part of my building and flying days ? The incredibly fond friendships I have
formed with fellow Pietenpol builders, enthusiasts, and retired Pietenpol flyers
and up and coming Pietenpol builders.
>I have been blessed by getting to know so amazing people with amazing talents,
skills, and even some who can't even cut a piece of paper straight but they can
make me laugh until the tears are streaming down my face or they will listen
to me on the phone about my personal life's issues good or bad, or they will
e-mail me off list and ask me how I am doing. They will share that they just
lost a Mom or Dad and I will hurt for them and pray for them. They will do
the same for me. Those Pietenpol friends will meet me halfway enroute to Brodhead
to share a good meal at a local pub or restaurant, they will let me know
when they will be passing thru Cleveland so I can try to make them buy me dinner,
they will listen to me complain about stupid stuff that I shouldn't even
be complaining about and I will do the same for them because they are REALLY
special people in my life now and even if I didn't own the airplane anymore or
I lost my medical ability to fly, I would still have
!
> those incredible friendships that all came about, much to my surprise, just
because I decided to build and fly one of these wood crates with wings.
>
>Carry on,
>
>Mike C.
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:50 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>>
>><timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Kim,
>>Amen to all Jack P. said. This is a great group and a great plane.
>>I'll add a few things Jack, Mike, and many others have said before:
>>build it to plans and keep it light. Enjoy it all.
>>Tim in central tX
>>do not archive
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips
>>Sent: Nov 23, 2010 1:04 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>>
>>Kim,
>>Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and the even more wonderful
>>world of Pietenpol People. You will find this to be a life-changing
>>experience. With this airplane project you will find many challenges
>>and rewards, frustrations and moments of great pride. With this list
>>you will find much good information, some bad information, much
>>extraneous information, a wealth of humor, some excellent sarcasm, and a
>>number of never-to-be-expected friends.
>>Just to beat Mike Cuy to saying it, if you haven't already, please buy
>>the four Tony Bingelis books from EAA - The Sportplane Builder,
>>Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis
>>on Engines. They are excellent sources of information and contain just
>>about everything you need to know to build an airplane. Whatever
>>information they lack can be acquired here or at one of the forums at
>>Oshkosh or Sun 'n' Fun.
>>Plan to attend Brodhead if possible. Next year it will be Friday July
>>22 - Sunday July 24. That will be your best chance to see a fairly
>>large number of Pietenpols all in one place.
>>Are you a pilot yet? If not, go ahead and get your license while
>>building your Pietenpol. Where are you located?
>>Good Luck!
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>>Raleigh, NC
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of integritywood
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:47 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>><kim.integrity@gmail.com>
>>Hi all
>>First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years
>>or so ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane.
>>Looking back it likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch
>>plywood, weighed in at 3500 lbs empty, and been powered by a snowmobile
>>engine. Oh the optimism of youth! Then came real life, having a family
>>making a living, etc... But the dream of flight stayed nestled quietly
>>in the back of my mind, fanned once in a while with a ride or even just
>>watching a small plane fly by. A year and a half or so ago the ember
>>started glowing brighter again and with a little encouragement burst
>>into a flaming desire I can't seem to extinguish (okay I'm not trying
>>very hard).
>>with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't
>>so off the wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then
>>I found the Pietenpol. Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I
>>can taste it. Ive lurked here daily in the last year trying to learn all
>>I could about her but to shy to speak up till I could say Ive started
>>building. Well Ive started. Finished my rib jig yest and started cutting
>>pieces, What a feeling. My wife is doing very well with it considering
>>small planes scare her. I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to
>>complete so she doesn't have to worry for a while [Wink] Anyhow, thanks
>>Cliff for your kindly reply to my email the other day and Michael for
>>your hint video's.
>>See you around
>>Kim(ball)
>>--------
>>"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that
>>10 years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H.
>>Pietenpol
>><clip>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Message 46
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Inspiration for winter building |
Nice, Ken!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth
Bickers
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspiration for winter building
Guys,
For those of us looking for additional motivation for the winter building
season, it is nice to draw inspiration from the summer extravaganzas of
ingatherings of Pietenpols and other wonderful flying machines. Follow the
link to the slide show that my son, Kevin, put together after our trip to
Brodhead and Oshkosh in 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcn-QjPl8N8.
Even our dog is looking forward to the winter building season.
Cheers, Ken
Message 47
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! |
Yeah, but he'll need more ink and paper than most keep on hand...;-)
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim !
1. Print out a copy of this message.
2. Frame it and hang it in your shop.....
nuff' said....
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Nov 23, 2010 5:44 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim !
>
AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>Hello Kim and thanks for speaking up and posting after reading our postings
over the past year.
>
>For me there were several stages I went thru during the building process
and preconceived notions I had
>upon going into it that I'll try to relate as they come to mind.
>
>1) Building an airplane isn't for everyone. We have some Phd researchers
here where I work than understand
>nanotechnology almost to sub-atomic levels yet I wouldn't let some of them
even try to help me duct tape two
>pieces of wood together because they just don't have a mechanical mind or
hands.
>
>2)When you get frustrated, take a break, step back, do some doodling,
sketch out some of your ideas, read the
>Tony Bingelis books (if you don't buy them I will push pins into some
voodoo doll:) (thanks for mentioning those
>books Jack Phillips--you're right !) and take your time.
>
>3) Don't overthink things. Just buy aircraft grade wood, glue, 4130
steel, and real AN hardware. If you must substitute
>non-aircraft grade materials really make sure you're not doing it on
something super critical like your wing strut attachment
>bolts or propeller bolts.
>
>4) Every time you try to go cheap or cut corners, think of who you might
kill because you needed to save $25 that week. Just
>wait until you have enough money to buy something you know is of good
quality.
>
>5) Being thrifty is a great thing about homebuilding-- do scrounge, do look
for discarded project wood bundles, instruments,hardware,
>and used motors, wheels, and brakes but don't pull a Sanford and Son if
only for the Young Eagle rides you might give or that ride
>to your loving wife or children.
>
>6) Some like to pontificate, yack, do multi-year research projects on
exactly what is the best widget to use to glue a gusset to a capstrip
>and some like to build a good solid to-the-plans airplane and enjoy flying
it. Every day you waste reinventing the wheel is that many more days you
don't have on this earth to enjoy flying your completed airplane. If
you're a thinker and love to do that kind of research, have at it, enjoy it,
and you'll learn more than any of the rest of us and I'd love to be the one
to listen to hear what you've learned but if you want to build, finish, and
enjoy flying it, all the power to your type of personality as well. Both
types are ALWAYS welcomed here. We are all different and whatever suites
you best--you do it.
>
>7) don't listen to old wives tales about construction techniques. Unless
you're talking with an A&P mechanic, a guy or gal who has actually built
and flown an airplane successfully, or someone that you really trust who has
outstanding aircraft knowledge, just believe what methods and techniques for
building that are contained in the Tony Bingelis books. I believe that
Tony built and flew 7 airplanes over his lifetime and his books were the
final word for me, the bible if you will of helping me make my decisions
when I got whishy-washy unsure and conflicting answers to my questions to
the list or the guys out at the airport.
>
>8) There are a zillion ways to do just about every part of the airplane but
generally speaking, unless you are making a cosmetic change (like I did by
raising my firewall, instrument panels, and turtle deck 1" higher than the
plans show) you'll save yourself lots of headaches by using the design that
has proven to fly good as blueprinted over 80 years ago now. Not to say
that there are many great mods that folks have come up with because they
have and some of them are BETTER than how the plane was designed in the
first place but the fact remains that if you are not comfortable with
redesigning the wheel and your gut gives you a lousy feeling about this part
or that-- don't do it.
>
>9) There are some REALLY great mods I love that I wish I would have
incorporated into my plane. Make the wing longer---your plane will be able
to LIFT
>more weight on the same power. Aeronca Champs and Cubs have what, 35 foot
long wings and they can lift TONS of weight but the Piet wing is only 29
feet long. Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and others have longer wings than
plans or wider center sections to make the effective overall wing longer
which is a GREAT move to make ! If I had to do it over again I would add
probably 2 or 3 feet to my overall wingspan. Probably 3.
>
>10) Don't worry about setting a time table. I foolishly proclaimed I
would finish my plane in 2 years and experienced builders upon hearing this
would have to visibly suppress their laughter and it made me frustrated
because I was going to prove them wrong. Yeah right. See 11 for answer)
>
>11) Mike Cuy's Builder's Rule of Thumb for Task Completion Prediction Time
Frames: Whatever amount of time you think it will take you to complete a
task, multiply it by 2 for the realistic time it will take you. Your
mileage may vary but my fantasy-to-reality conversion time factor was 2.
>
>12) You will learn an enormous amount of really enjoyable new skills and
talents by the time you finish your airplane. Perhaps you'll learn how to
weld, to lace wire wheels, to cut Lexan or form Plexiglass, to orient wood
grain properly, how to correctly install bolts and why they go in this way
and not that way, you'll learn how to apply fabric, how to rib stitch, how
to spray paint and put the finishing layers of paint on your plane, you
might learn how to rebuild a nice used Continental A-65 run-out Piper Cub or
Luscombe engine or how to overhaul a set of magnetos. You'll learn how to
choose what length and pitch prop to use and how tight to make the bolts and
what bolts and nuts are acceptable on metal vs. wood props. You'll learn
maybe how to cut leather and lace it around your cockpit areas or maybe
you'll learn how to swage nicopress sleeves on aircraft grade cable to make
up all of your various control systems. You'll learn to avoid negative
people who mig
!
> ht say "you're never going to finish this are you let alone FLY in it are
you ?" Think of the money you'll save by taking all of those naysayers off
of your Christmas card list then never giving their kids a ride because they
were such butt holes when you were in the thick of building the dream of
your lifetime. (okay....you can take them off your Christmas card list but
at least give their kids rides---they can't help it they have ignorant and
negative parents:)
>
>13) Don't GIVE UP ! Do NOT SELL your project EVER !!!!!!! Don't go to
your sick bed or nursing home saying "gosh, I wish I would have kept that
Piet project instead of selling it because we needed to buy little Johnny a
used car." You can always shelve your project for a few years til kids are
thru college or you get thru your divorce or your illness but don't ever
give up your bucket list DREAM of a lifetime. How many people out there
can actually say "YES-- I had this dream since I was about 18 and the Good
Lord gave me the opportunity and skills and finances to see fit that I could
do it now at this point in my life and my dream upon a star has come true
and now I can give rides, have fun flying it on smooth summer nights, and
share what I learned with new Pietenpol builders following that very same
dream. You sure will sleep good knowing you accomplished building and
flying your own airplane. I can't think of a better bucket list checkmark
to have for a p
!
> erson who can't shake that burning desire to someday build and fly their
own airplane.
>
>14) Lastly and most importantly-- I used to think that building and flying
my Piet was the MOST important thing I would do for myself and I knew I
wanted to share it, to give rides, and to infect others with how much fun
and inexpensive open cockpit low and slow flying really is but you know what
I found was an even MORE important joy that continues to be far and above
the most rewarding part of my building and flying days ? The incredibly
fond friendships I have formed with fellow Pietenpol builders, enthusiasts,
and retired Pietenpol flyers and up and coming Pietenpol builders.
>I have been blessed by getting to know so amazing people with amazing
talents, skills, and even some who can't even cut a piece of paper straight
but they can make me laugh until the tears are streaming down my face or
they will listen to me on the phone about my personal life's issues good or
bad, or they will e-mail me off list and ask me how I am doing. They will
share that they just lost a Mom or Dad and I will hurt for them and pray for
them. They will do the same for me. Those Pietenpol friends will meet me
halfway enroute to Brodhead to share a good meal at a local pub or
restaurant, they will let me know when they will be passing thru Cleveland
so I can try to make them buy me dinner, they will listen to me complain
about stupid stuff that I shouldn't even be complaining about and I will do
the same for them because they are REALLY special people in my life now and
even if I didn't own the airplane anymore or I lost my medical ability to
fly, I would still have
!
> those incredible friendships that all came about, much to my surprise,
just because I decided to build and fly one of these wood crates with wings.
>
>Carry on,
>
>Mike C.
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:50 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>>
>><timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Kim,
>>Amen to all Jack P. said. This is a great group and a great plane.
>>I'll add a few things Jack, Mike, and many others have said before:
>>build it to plans and keep it light. Enjoy it all.
>>Tim in central tX
>>do not archive
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips
>>Sent: Nov 23, 2010 1:04 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>>
>>Kim,
>>Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and the even more wonderful
>>world of Pietenpol People. You will find this to be a life-changing
>>experience. With this airplane project you will find many challenges
>>and rewards, frustrations and moments of great pride. With this list
>>you will find much good information, some bad information, much
>>extraneous information, a wealth of humor, some excellent sarcasm, and a
>>number of never-to-be-expected friends.
>>Just to beat Mike Cuy to saying it, if you haven't already, please buy
>>the four Tony Bingelis books from EAA - The Sportplane Builder,
>>Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis
>>on Engines. They are excellent sources of information and contain just
>>about everything you need to know to build an airplane. Whatever
>>information they lack can be acquired here or at one of the forums at
>>Oshkosh or Sun 'n' Fun.
>>Plan to attend Brodhead if possible. Next year it will be Friday July
>>22 - Sunday July 24. That will be your best chance to see a fairly
>>large number of Pietenpols all in one place.
>>Are you a pilot yet? If not, go ahead and get your license while
>>building your Pietenpol. Where are you located?
>>Good Luck!
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>>Raleigh, NC
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of integritywood
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:47 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>><kim.integrity@gmail.com>
>>Hi all
>>First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years
>>or so ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane.
>>Looking back it likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch
>>plywood, weighed in at 3500 lbs empty, and been powered by a snowmobile
>>engine. Oh the optimism of youth! Then came real life, having a family
>>making a living, etc... But the dream of flight stayed nestled quietly
>>in the back of my mind, fanned once in a while with a ride or even just
>>watching a small plane fly by. A year and a half or so ago the ember
>>started glowing brighter again and with a little encouragement burst
>>into a flaming desire I can't seem to extinguish (okay I'm not trying
>>very hard).
>>with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't
>>so off the wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then
>>I found the Pietenpol. Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I
>>can taste it. Ive lurked here daily in the last year trying to learn all
>>I could about her but to shy to speak up till I could say Ive started
>>building. Well Ive started. Finished my rib jig yest and started cutting
>>pieces, What a feeling. My wife is doing very well with it considering
>>small planes scare her. I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to
>>complete so she doesn't have to worry for a while [Wink] Anyhow, thanks
>>Cliff for your kindly reply to my email the other day and Michael for
>>your hint video's.
>>See you around
>>Kim(ball)
>>--------
>>"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that
>>10 years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H.
>>Pietenpol
>><clip>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Message 48
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Rib capstrip grain runout |
The top three are OK Kim. The bottom one I wouldn't
use for anything longer than the runout. So four, maybe
five inches would be OK since a couple of inches will
be under the gussets. Also, you want the straightest
grain for the top capstrip as there's quite a bit of bending
stress, especially near the nose.
I know what you mean about not getting to fly. After doing
mine through Air Cadets in '60 there wasn't the money
to fly and educate so 50 years later I are again a pilot. It's
taken a lot more time to solo at 67 than it did at 17!!!
Especialy in a 100hp Citabria. Although to be fair, first
time around it was a Fleet 80 Canuck. Fully aerobatic,
cruise at 90, vne 160! I'm still surprised I actually made it
past my 18th birthday! I did manage to exceed 160 in CF-DQR,
but that's another story. :-)
http://pcmuseum.tripod.com/dc3/canuckother.htm
Clif
Some of my capstris have up to 1:6 grain runout. Are the ribs stout enough
I can use this up in the webbing or do I need to cull this out? (see
attached photo.
> thanks
> Kim
Message 49
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! |
I believe Michael has hit the nail on the head with his welcome. We all
search for just the right words to honestly convey the sentiment of the
group. I believe that after reading all of our offerings over the years Mike
has done a remarkable job in his.
I think it should be proclaimed the official welcome sent to all new members
as I see little we can add or say that can improve on what Mike has said
I say archive and send to all and always
John
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 23:47:24 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim !
AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Hello Kim and thanks for speaking up and posting after reading our postings
over the past year.
For me there were several stages I went thru during the building process and
preconceived notions I had
upon going into it that I'll try to relate as they come to mind.
1) Building an airplane isn't for everyone. We have some Phd researchers
here where I work than understand
nanotechnology almost to sub-atomic levels yet I wouldn't let some of them
even try to help me duct tape two
pieces of wood together because they just don't have a mechanical mind or
hands.
2)When you get frustrated, take a break, step back, do some doodling, sketch
out some of your ideas, read the
Tony Bingelis books (if you don't buy them I will push pins into some
voodoo doll:) (thanks for mentioning those
books Jack Phillips--you're right !) and take your time.
3) Don't overthink things. Just buy aircraft grade wood, glue, 4130 steel,
and real AN hardware. If you must substitute
non-aircraft grade materials really make sure you're not doing it on
something super critical like your wing strut attachment
bolts or propeller bolts.
4) Every time you try to go cheap or cut corners, think of who you might
kill because you needed to save $25 that week. Just
wait until you have enough money to buy something you know is of good
quality.
5) Being thrifty is a great thing about homebuilding-- do scrounge, do look
for discarded project wood bundles, instruments,hardware,
and used motors, wheels, and brakes but don't pull a Sanford and Son if only
for the Young Eagle rides you might give or that ride
to your loving wife or children.
6) Some like to pontificate, yack, do multi-year research projects on
exactly what is the best widget to use to glue a gusset to a capstrip
and some like to build a good solid to-the-plans airplane and enjoy flying
it. Every day you waste reinventing the wheel is that many more days you
don't have on this earth to enjoy flying your completed airplane. If
you're a thinker and love to do that kind of research, have at it, enjoy it,
and you'll learn more than any of the rest of us and I'd love to be the one
to listen to hear what you've learned but if you want to build, finish, and
enjoy flying it, all the power to your type of personality as well. Both
types are ALWAYS welcomed here. We are all different and whatever suites
you best--you do it.
7) don't listen to old wives tales about construction techniques. Unless
you're talking with an A&P mechanic, a guy or gal who has actually built
and flown an airplane successfully, or someone that you really trust who has
outstanding aircraft knowledge, just believe what methods and techniques for
building that are contained in the Tony Bingelis books. I believe that
Tony built and flew 7 airplanes over his lifetime and his books were the
final word for me, the bible if you will of helping me make my decisions
when I got whishy-washy unsure and conflicting answers to my questions to
the list or the guys out at the airport.
8) There are a zillion ways to do just about every part of the airplane but
generally speaking, unless you are making a cosmetic change (like I did by
raising my firewall, instrument panels, and turtle deck 1" higher than the
plans show) you'll save yourself lots of headaches by using the design that
has proven to fly good as blueprinted over 80 years ago now. Not to say
that there are many great mods that folks have come up with because they
have and some of them are BETTER than how the plane was designed in the
first place but the fact remains that if you are not comfortable with
redesigning the wheel and your gut gives you a lousy feeling about this part
or that-- don't do it.
9) There are some REALLY great mods I love that I wish I would have
incorporated into my plane. Make the wing longer---your plane will be able
to LIFT
more weight on the same power. Aeronca Champs and Cubs have what, 35 foot
long wings and they can lift TONS of weight but the Piet wing is only 29
feet long. Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and others have longer wings than
plans or wider center sections to make the effective overall wing longer
which is a GREAT move to make ! If I had to do it over again I would add
probably 2 or 3 feet to my overall wingspan. Probably 3.
10) Don't worry about setting a time table. I foolishly proclaimed I would
finish my plane in 2 years and experienced builders upon hearing this would
have to visibly suppress their laughter and it made me frustrated because I
was going to prove them wrong. Yeah right. See 11 for answer)
11) Mike Cuy's Builder's Rule of Thumb for Task Completion Prediction Time
Frames: Whatever amount of time you think it will take you to complete a
task, multiply it by 2 for the realistic time it will take you. Your
mileage may vary but my fantasy-to-reality conversion time factor was 2.
12) You will learn an enormous amount of really enjoyable new skills and
talents by the time you finish your airplane. Perhaps you'll learn how to
weld, to lace wire wheels, to cut Lexan or form Plexiglass, to orient wood
grain properly, how to correctly install bolts and why they go in this way
and not that way, you'll learn how to apply fabric, how to rib stitch, how
to spray paint and put the finishing layers of paint on your plane, you
might learn how to rebuild a nice used Continental A-65 run-out Piper Cub or
Luscombe engine or how to overhaul a set of magnetos. You'll learn how to
choose what length and pitch prop to use and how tight to make the bolts and
what bolts and nuts are acceptable on metal vs. wood props. You'll learn
maybe how to cut leather and lace it around your cockpit areas or maybe
you'll learn how to swage nicopress sleeves on aircraft grade cable to make
up all of your various control systems. You'll learn to avoid negative
people who mig!
ht say "you're never going to finish this are you let alone FLY in it are
you ?" Think of the money you'll save by taking all of those naysayers off
of your Christmas card list then never giving their kids a ride because they
were such butt holes when you were in the thick of building the dream of
your lifetime. (okay....you can take them off your Christmas card list but
at least give their kids rides---they can't help it they have ignorant and
negative parents:)
13) Don't GIVE UP ! Do NOT SELL your project EVER !!!!!!! Don't go to
your sick bed or nursing home saying "gosh, I wish I would have kept that
Piet project instead of selling it because we needed to buy little Johnny a
used car." You can always shelve your project for a few years til kids are
thru college or you get thru your divorce or your illness but don't ever
give up your bucket list DREAM of a lifetime. How many people out there
can actually say "YES-- I had this dream since I was about 18 and the Good
Lord gave me the opportunity and skills and finances to see fit that I could
do it now at this point in my life and my dream upon a star has come true
and now I can give rides, have fun flying it on smooth summer nights, and
share what I learned with new Pietenpol builders following that very same
dream. You sure will sleep good knowing you accomplished building and
flying your own airplane. I can't think of a better bucket list checkmark
to have for a p!
erson who can't shake that burning desire to someday build and fly their
own airplane.
14) Lastly and most importantly-- I used to think that building and flying
my Piet was the MOST important thing I would do for myself and I knew I
wanted to share it, to give rides, and to infect others with how much fun
and inexpensive open cockpit low and slow flying really is but you know what
I found was an even MORE important joy that continues to be far and above
the most rewarding part of my building and flying days ? The incredibly
fond friendships I have formed with fellow Pietenpol builders, enthusiasts,
and retired Pietenpol flyers and up and coming Pietenpol builders.
I have been blessed by getting to know so amazing people with amazing
talents, skills, and even some who can't even cut a piece of paper straight
but they can make me laugh until the tears are streaming down my face or
they will listen to me on the phone about my personal life's issues good or
bad, or they will e-mail me off list and ask me how I am doing. They will
share that they just lost a Mom or Dad and I will hurt for them and pray for
them. They will do the same for me. Those Pietenpol friends will meet me
halfway enroute to Brodhead to share a good meal at a local pub or
restaurant, they will let me know when they will be passing thru Cleveland
so I can try to make them buy me dinner, they will listen to me complain
about stupid stuff that I shouldn't even be complaining about and I will do
the same for them because they are REALLY special people in my life now and
even if I didn't own the airplane anymore or I lost my medical ability to
fly, I would still have!
those incredible friendships that all came about, much to my surprise,
just because I decided to build and fly one of these wood crates with wings.
Carry on,
Mike C.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:50 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>
><timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
>Kim,
>Amen to all Jack P. said. This is a great group and a great plane.
>I'll add a few things Jack, Mike, and many others have said before:
>build it to plans and keep it light. Enjoy it all.
>Tim in central tX
>do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips
>Sent: Nov 23, 2010 1:04 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>
>Kim,
>Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and the even more wonderful
>world of Pietenpol People. You will find this to be a life-changing
>experience. With this airplane project you will find many challenges
>and rewards, frustrations and moments of great pride. With this list
>you will find much good information, some bad information, much
>extraneous information, a wealth of humor, some excellent sarcasm, and a
>number of never-to-be-expected friends.
>Just to beat Mike Cuy to saying it, if you haven't already, please buy
>the four Tony Bingelis books from EAA - The Sportplane Builder,
>Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis
>on Engines. They are excellent sources of information and contain just
>about everything you need to know to build an airplane. Whatever
>information they lack can be acquired here or at one of the forums at
>Oshkosh or Sun 'n' Fun.
>Plan to attend Brodhead if possible. Next year it will be Friday July
>22 - Sunday July 24. That will be your best chance to see a fairly
>large number of Pietenpols all in one place.
>Are you a pilot yet? If not, go ahead and get your license while
>building your Pietenpol. Where are you located?
>Good Luck!
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>Raleigh, NC
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of integritywood
>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:47 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
><kim.integrity@gmail.com>
>Hi all
>First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years
>or so ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane.
>Looking back it likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch
>plywood, weighed in at 3500 lbs empty, and been powered by a snowmobile
>engine. Oh the optimism of youth! Then came real life, having a family
>making a living, etc... But the dream of flight stayed nestled quietly
>in the back of my mind, fanned once in a while with a ride or even just
>watching a small plane fly by. A year and a half or so ago the ember
>started glowing brighter again and with a little encouragement burst
>into a flaming desire I can't seem to extinguish (okay I'm not trying
>very hard).
>with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't
>so off the wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then
>I found the Pietenpol. Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I
>can taste it. Ive lurked here daily in the last year trying to learn all
>I could about her but to shy to speak up till I could say Ive started
>building. Well Ive started. Finished my rib jig yest and started cutting
>pieces, What a feeling. My wife is doing very well with it considering
>small planes scare her. I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to
>complete so she doesn't have to worry for a while [Wink] Anyhow, thanks
>Cliff for your kindly reply to my email the other day and Michael for
>your hint video's.
>See you around
>Kim(ball)
>--------
>"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that
>10 years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H.
>Pietenpol
><clip>
>
>
Message 50
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! |
Good evening
I feel moved at the welcome and encouragement. I've enjoyed fabricating
and repairing as long as I can remember however I am not as artistically
inclined as some. I'll be content if she'll be well built and functional
and settle for enjoying looking at other masterpieces. Thanks for the
sound advice and maybe we meet next July.
Kim
On 23/11/2010 3:44 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP]"<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> Hello Kim and thanks for speaking up and posting after reading our postings over
the past year.
>
> For me there were several stages I went thru during the building process and
preconceived notions I had
> upon going into it that I'll try to relate as they come to mind.
>
> 1) Building an airplane isn't for everyone. We have some Phd researchers here
where I work than understand
> nanotechnology almost to sub-atomic levels yet I wouldn't let some of them even
try to help me duct tape two
> pieces of wood together because they just don't have a mechanical mind or hands.
>
> 2)When you get frustrated, take a break, step back, do some doodling, sketch
out some of your ideas, read the
> Tony Bingelis books (if you don't buy them I will push pins into some voodoo
doll:) (thanks for mentioning those
> books Jack Phillips--you're right !) and take your time.
>
> 3) Don't overthink things. Just buy aircraft grade wood, glue, 4130 steel,
and real AN hardware. If you must substitute
> non-aircraft grade materials really make sure you're not doing it on something
super critical like your wing strut attachment
> bolts or propeller bolts.
>
> 4) Every time you try to go cheap or cut corners, think of who you might kill
because you needed to save $25 that week. Just
> wait until you have enough money to buy something you know is of good quality.
>
> 5) Being thrifty is a great thing about homebuilding-- do scrounge, do look for
discarded project wood bundles, instruments,hardware,
> and used motors, wheels, and brakes but don't pull a Sanford and Son if only
for the Young Eagle rides you might give or that ride
> to your loving wife or children.
>
> 6) Some like to pontificate, yack, do multi-year research projects on exactly
what is the best widget to use to glue a gusset to a capstrip
> and some like to build a good solid to-the-plans airplane and enjoy flying it.
Every day you waste reinventing the wheel is that many more days you don't
have on this earth to enjoy flying your completed airplane. If you're a thinker
and love to do that kind of research, have at it, enjoy it, and you'll learn
more than any of the rest of us and I'd love to be the one to listen to hear
what you've learned but if you want to build, finish, and enjoy flying it,
all the power to your type of personality as well. Both types are ALWAYS welcomed
here. We are all different and whatever suites you best--you do it.
>
> 7) don't listen to old wives tales about construction techniques. Unless you're
talking with an A&P mechanic, a guy or gal who has actually built and flown
an airplane successfully, or someone that you really trust who has outstanding
aircraft knowledge, just believe what methods and techniques for building
that are contained in the Tony Bingelis books. I believe that Tony built and
flew 7 airplanes over his lifetime and his books were the final word for me,
the bible if you will of helping me make my decisions when I got whishy-washy
unsure and conflicting answers to my questions to the list or the guys out at
the airport.
>
> 8) There are a zillion ways to do just about every part of the airplane but generally
speaking, unless you are making a cosmetic change (like I did by raising
my firewall, instrument panels, and turtle deck 1" higher than the plans show)
you'll save yourself lots of headaches by using the design that has proven
to fly good as blueprinted over 80 years ago now. Not to say that there
are many great mods that folks have come up with because they have and some of
them are BETTER than how the plane was designed in the first place but the fact
remains that if you are not comfortable with redesigning the wheel and your
gut gives you a lousy feeling about this part or that-- don't do it.
>
> 9) There are some REALLY great mods I love that I wish I would have incorporated
into my plane. Make the wing longer---your plane will be able to LIFT
> more weight on the same power. Aeronca Champs and Cubs have what, 35 foot long
wings and they can lift TONS of weight but the Piet wing is only 29 feet long.
Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and others have longer wings than plans or wider
center sections to make the effective overall wing longer which is a GREAT
move to make ! If I had to do it over again I would add probably 2 or 3 feet
to my overall wingspan. Probably 3.
>
> 10) Don't worry about setting a time table. I foolishly proclaimed I would
finish my plane in 2 years and experienced builders upon hearing this would have
to visibly suppress their laughter and it made me frustrated because I was
going to prove them wrong. Yeah right. See 11 for answer)
>
> 11) Mike Cuy's Builder's Rule of Thumb for Task Completion Prediction Time Frames:
Whatever amount of time you think it will take you to complete a task,
multiply it by 2 for the realistic time it will take you. Your mileage may
vary but my fantasy-to-reality conversion time factor was 2.
>
> 12) You will learn an enormous amount of really enjoyable new skills and talents
by the time you finish your airplane. Perhaps you'll learn how to weld,
to lace wire wheels, to cut Lexan or form Plexiglass, to orient wood grain properly,
how to correctly install bolts and why they go in this way and not that
way, you'll learn how to apply fabric, how to rib stitch, how to spray paint
and put the finishing layers of paint on your plane, you might learn how to
rebuild a nice used Continental A-65 run-out Piper Cub or Luscombe engine or
how to overhaul a set of magnetos. You'll learn how to choose what length and
pitch prop to use and how tight to make the bolts and what bolts and nuts are
acceptable on metal vs. wood props. You'll learn maybe how to cut leather
and lace it around your cockpit areas or maybe you'll learn how to swage nicopress
sleeves on aircraft grade cable to make up all of your various control systems.
You'll learn to avoid negative people who mig!
> ht say "you're never going to finish this are you let alone FLY in it are
you ?" Think of the money you'll save by taking all of those naysayers off of
your Christmas card list then never giving their kids a ride because they were
such butt holes when you were in the thick of building the dream of your lifetime.
(okay....you can take them off your Christmas card list but at least
give their kids rides---they can't help it they have ignorant and negative parents:)
>
> 13) Don't GIVE UP ! Do NOT SELL your project EVER !!!!!!! Don't go to your
sick bed or nursing home saying "gosh, I wish I would have kept that Piet project
instead of selling it because we needed to buy little Johnny a used car."
You can always shelve your project for a few years til kids are thru college
or you get thru your divorce or your illness but don't ever give up your bucket
list DREAM of a lifetime. How many people out there can actually say
"YES-- I had this dream since I was about 18 and the Good Lord gave me the opportunity
and skills and finances to see fit that I could do it now at this point
in my life and my dream upon a star has come true and now I can give rides,
have fun flying it on smooth summer nights, and share what I learned with new
Pietenpol builders following that very same dream. You sure will sleep good
knowing you accomplished building and flying your own airplane. I can't think
of a better bucket list checkmark to have for a p!
> erson who can't shake that burning desire to someday build and fly their own
airplane.
>
> 14) Lastly and most importantly-- I used to think that building and flying my
Piet was the MOST important thing I would do for myself and I knew I wanted to
share it, to give rides, and to infect others with how much fun and inexpensive
open cockpit low and slow flying really is but you know what I found was an
even MORE important joy that continues to be far and above the most rewarding
part of my building and flying days ? The incredibly fond friendships I have
formed with fellow Pietenpol builders, enthusiasts, and retired Pietenpol flyers
and up and coming Pietenpol builders.
> I have been blessed by getting to know so amazing people with amazing talents,
skills, and even some who can't even cut a piece of paper straight but they
can make me laugh until the tears are streaming down my face or they will listen
to me on the phone about my personal life's issues good or bad, or they will
e-mail me off list and ask me how I am doing. They will share that they just
lost a Mom or Dad and I will hurt for them and pray for them. They will do
the same for me. Those Pietenpol friends will meet me halfway enroute to Brodhead
to share a good meal at a local pub or restaurant, they will let me know
when they will be passing thru Cleveland so I can try to make them buy me dinner,
they will listen to me complain about stupid stuff that I shouldn't even
be complaining about and I will do the same for them because they are REALLY
special people in my life now and even if I didn't own the airplane anymore or
I lost my medical ability to fly, I would still have!
> those incredible friendships that all came about, much to my surprise, just
because I decided to build and fly one of these wood crates with wings.
>
> Carry on,
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:50 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis
>> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Kim,
>> Amen to all Jack P. said. This is a great group and a great plane.
>> I'll add a few things Jack, Mike, and many others have said before:
>> build it to plans and keep it light. Enjoy it all.
>> Tim in central tX
>> do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jack Phillips
>> Sent: Nov 23, 2010 1:04 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>>
>> Kim,
>> Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and the even more wonderful
>> world of Pietenpol People. You will find this to be a life-changing
>> experience. With this airplane project you will find many challenges
>> and rewards, frustrations and moments of great pride. With this list
>> you will find much good information, some bad information, much
>> extraneous information, a wealth of humor, some excellent sarcasm, and a
>> number of never-to-be-expected friends.
>> Just to beat Mike Cuy to saying it, if you haven't already, please buy
>> the four Tony Bingelis books from EAA - The Sportplane Builder,
>> Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis
>> on Engines. They are excellent sources of information and contain just
>> about everything you need to know to build an airplane. Whatever
>> information they lack can be acquired here or at one of the forums at
>> Oshkosh or Sun 'n' Fun.
>> Plan to attend Brodhead if possible. Next year it will be Friday July
>> 22 - Sunday July 24. That will be your best chance to see a fairly
>> large number of Pietenpols all in one place.
>> Are you a pilot yet? If not, go ahead and get your license while
>> building your Pietenpol. Where are you located?
>> Good Luck!
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>> Raleigh, NC
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of integritywood
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:47 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "integritywood"
>> <kim.integrity@gmail.com>
>> Hi all
>> First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years
>> or so ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane.
>> Looking back it likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch
>> plywood, weighed in at 3500 lbs empty, and been powered by a snowmobile
>> engine. Oh the optimism of youth! Then came real life, having a family
>> making a living, etc... But the dream of flight stayed nestled quietly
>> in the back of my mind, fanned once in a while with a ride or even just
>> watching a small plane fly by. A year and a half or so ago the ember
>> started glowing brighter again and with a little encouragement burst
>> into a flaming desire I can't seem to extinguish (okay I'm not trying
>> very hard).
>> with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't
>> so off the wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then
>> I found the Pietenpol. Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I
>> can taste it. Ive lurked here daily in the last year trying to learn all
>> I could about her but to shy to speak up till I could say Ive started
>> building. Well Ive started. Finished my rib jig yest and started cutting
>> pieces, What a feeling. My wife is doing very well with it considering
>> small planes scare her. I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to
>> complete so she doesn't have to worry for a while [Wink] Anyhow, thanks
>> Cliff for your kindly reply to my email the other day and Michael for
>> your hint video's.
>> See you around
>> Kim(ball)
>> --------
>> "She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that
>> 10 years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H.
>> Pietenpol
>> <clip>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|