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0. 12:22 AM - Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:47 AM - Re: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! (Tim Willis)
2. 05:44 AM - encouragement (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 06:07 AM - where can I get some louvers for my cowling (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling (skellytown flyer)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling (Jim Ash)
6. 06:37 AM - Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling (Jim Markle)
7. 07:06 AM - Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling (Jerry Dotson)
8. 07:10 AM - Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling (Gary Boothe)
9. 07:12 AM - Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling (hvandervoo@aol.com)
10. 08:18 AM - Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling (airlion)
11. 09:05 AM - Louvers---some side info (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
12. 10:09 AM - Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling (norm)
13. 10:41 AM - carb heat air scoop-- from Boater's World (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
14. 02:44 PM - Re: Newby (Michael Perez)
15. 03:06 PM - Re: New Builder (Michael Perez)
16. 04:33 PM - Salt Lake City Piet (Pieti Lowell)
17. 04:44 PM - Re: Salt Lake City Piet (Dangerous Dave)
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| Subject: | Re: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim ! |
Mike,
What a great post. Thanks.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Nov 23, 2010 5:44 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to new Pietenpol builder Kim !
>
>
>Hello Kim and thanks for speaking up and posting after reading our postings over
the past year.
>
>For me there were several stages I went thru during the building process and preconceived
notions I had
>upon going into it that I'll try to relate as they come to mind.
>
>1) Building an airplane isn't for everyone. We have some Phd researchers here
where I work than understand
>nanotechnology almost to sub-atomic levels yet I wouldn't let some of them even
try to help me duct tape two
>pieces of wood together because they just don't have a mechanical mind or hands.
>
>2)When you get frustrated, take a break, step back, do some doodling, sketch out
some of your ideas, read the
>Tony Bingelis books (if you don't buy them I will push pins into some voodoo
doll:) (thanks for mentioning those
>books Jack Phillips--you're right !) and take your time.
>
>3) Don't overthink things. Just buy aircraft grade wood, glue, 4130 steel, and
real AN hardware. If you must substitute
>non-aircraft grade materials really make sure you're not doing it on something
super critical like your wing strut attachment
>bolts or propeller bolts.
>
>4) Every time you try to go cheap or cut corners, think of who you might kill
because you needed to save $25 that week. Just
>wait until you have enough money to buy something you know is of good quality.
>
>5) Being thrifty is a great thing about homebuilding-- do scrounge, do look for
discarded project wood bundles, instruments,hardware,
>and used motors, wheels, and brakes but don't pull a Sanford and Son if only for
the Young Eagle rides you might give or that ride
>to your loving wife or children.
>
>6) Some like to pontificate, yack, do multi-year research projects on exactly
what is the best widget to use to glue a gusset to a capstrip
>and some like to build a good solid to-the-plans airplane and enjoy flying it.
Every day you waste reinventing the wheel is that many more days you don't
have on this earth to enjoy flying your completed airplane. If you're a thinker
and love to do that kind of research, have at it, enjoy it, and you'll learn
more than any of the rest of us and I'd love to be the one to listen to hear
what you've learned but if you want to build, finish, and enjoy flying it,
all the power to your type of personality as well. Both types are ALWAYS welcomed
here. We are all different and whatever suites you best--you do it.
>
>7) don't listen to old wives tales about construction techniques. Unless you're
talking with an A&P mechanic, a guy or gal who has actually built and flown
an airplane successfully, or someone that you really trust who has outstanding
aircraft knowledge, just believe what methods and techniques for building that
are contained in the Tony Bingelis books. I believe that Tony built and
flew 7 airplanes over his lifetime and his books were the final word for me,
the bible if you will of helping me make my decisions when I got whishy-washy
unsure and conflicting answers to my questions to the list or the guys out at
the airport.
>
>8) There are a zillion ways to do just about every part of the airplane but generally
speaking, unless you are making a cosmetic change (like I did by raising
my firewall, instrument panels, and turtle deck 1" higher than the plans show)
you'll save yourself lots of headaches by using the design that has proven
to fly good as blueprinted over 80 years ago now. Not to say that there are
many great mods that folks have come up with because they have and some of
them are BETTER than how the plane was designed in the first place but the fact
remains that if you are not comfortable with redesigning the wheel and your
gut gives you a lousy feeling about this part or that-- don't do it.
>
>9) There are some REALLY great mods I love that I wish I would have incorporated
into my plane. Make the wing longer---your plane will be able to LIFT
>more weight on the same power. Aeronca Champs and Cubs have what, 35 foot long
wings and they can lift TONS of weight but the Piet wing is only 29 feet long.
Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and others have longer wings than plans or wider
center sections to make the effective overall wing longer which is a GREAT
move to make ! If I had to do it over again I would add probably 2 or 3 feet
to my overall wingspan. Probably 3.
>
>10) Don't worry about setting a time table. I foolishly proclaimed I would finish
my plane in 2 years and experienced builders upon hearing this would have
to visibly suppress their laughter and it made me frustrated because I was going
to prove them wrong. Yeah right. See 11 for answer)
>
>11) Mike Cuy's Builder's Rule of Thumb for Task Completion Prediction Time Frames:
Whatever amount of time you think it will take you to complete a task, multiply
it by 2 for the realistic time it will take you. Your mileage may
vary but my fantasy-to-reality conversion time factor was 2.
>
>12) You will learn an enormous amount of really enjoyable new skills and talents
by the time you finish your airplane. Perhaps you'll learn how to weld,
to lace wire wheels, to cut Lexan or form Plexiglass, to orient wood grain properly,
how to correctly install bolts and why they go in this way and not that
way, you'll learn how to apply fabric, how to rib stitch, how to spray paint
and put the finishing layers of paint on your plane, you might learn how to
rebuild a nice used Continental A-65 run-out Piper Cub or Luscombe engine or how
to overhaul a set of magnetos. You'll learn how to choose what length and
pitch prop to use and how tight to make the bolts and what bolts and nuts are
acceptable on metal vs. wood props. You'll learn maybe how to cut leather and
lace it around your cockpit areas or maybe you'll learn how to swage nicopress
sleeves on aircraft grade cable to make up all of your various control systems.
You'll learn to avoid negative people who mig
!
> ht say "you're never going to finish this are you let alone FLY in it are you
?" Think of the money you'll save by taking all of those naysayers off of
your Christmas card list then never giving their kids a ride because they were
such butt holes when you were in the thick of building the dream of your lifetime.
(okay....you can take them off your Christmas card list but at least give
their kids rides---they can't help it they have ignorant and negative parents:)
>
>13) Don't GIVE UP ! Do NOT SELL your project EVER !!!!!!! Don't go to your
sick bed or nursing home saying "gosh, I wish I would have kept that Piet project
instead of selling it because we needed to buy little Johnny a used car."
You can always shelve your project for a few years til kids are thru college
or you get thru your divorce or your illness but don't ever give up your bucket
list DREAM of a lifetime. How many people out there can actually say "YES--
I had this dream since I was about 18 and the Good Lord gave me the opportunity
and skills and finances to see fit that I could do it now at this point
in my life and my dream upon a star has come true and now I can give rides,
have fun flying it on smooth summer nights, and share what I learned with new
Pietenpol builders following that very same dream. You sure will sleep good
knowing you accomplished building and flying your own airplane. I can't think
of a better bucket list checkmark to have for a p
!
> erson who can't shake that burning desire to someday build and fly their own
airplane.
>
>14) Lastly and most importantly-- I used to think that building and flying my
Piet was the MOST important thing I would do for myself and I knew I wanted to
share it, to give rides, and to infect others with how much fun and inexpensive
open cockpit low and slow flying really is but you know what I found was an
even MORE important joy that continues to be far and above the most rewarding
part of my building and flying days ? The incredibly fond friendships I have
formed with fellow Pietenpol builders, enthusiasts, and retired Pietenpol flyers
and up and coming Pietenpol builders.
>I have been blessed by getting to know so amazing people with amazing talents,
skills, and even some who can't even cut a piece of paper straight but they can
make me laugh until the tears are streaming down my face or they will listen
to me on the phone about my personal life's issues good or bad, or they will
e-mail me off list and ask me how I am doing. They will share that they just
lost a Mom or Dad and I will hurt for them and pray for them. They will do
the same for me. Those Pietenpol friends will meet me halfway enroute to Brodhead
to share a good meal at a local pub or restaurant, they will let me know
when they will be passing thru Cleveland so I can try to make them buy me dinner,
they will listen to me complain about stupid stuff that I shouldn't even
be complaining about and I will do the same for them because they are REALLY
special people in my life now and even if I didn't own the airplane anymore or
I lost my medical ability to fly, I would still have
!
> those incredible friendships that all came about, much to my surprise, just
because I decided to build and fly one of these wood crates with wings.
>
>Carry on,
>
>Mike C.
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Willis
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:50 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>>
>><timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>>
>>Kim,
>>Amen to all Jack P. said. This is a great group and a great plane.
>>I'll add a few things Jack, Mike, and many others have said before:
>>build it to plans and keep it light. Enjoy it all.
>>Tim in central tX
>>do not archive
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jack Phillips
>>Sent: Nov 23, 2010 1:04 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>>
>>Kim,
>>Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and the even more wonderful
>>world of Pietenpol People. You will find this to be a life-changing
>>experience. With this airplane project you will find many challenges
>>and rewards, frustrations and moments of great pride. With this list
>>you will find much good information, some bad information, much
>>extraneous information, a wealth of humor, some excellent sarcasm, and a
>>number of never-to-be-expected friends.
>>Just to beat Mike Cuy to saying it, if you haven't already, please buy
>>the four Tony Bingelis books from EAA - The Sportplane Builder,
>>Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis
>>on Engines. They are excellent sources of information and contain just
>>about everything you need to know to build an airplane. Whatever
>>information they lack can be acquired here or at one of the forums at
>>Oshkosh or Sun 'n' Fun.
>>Plan to attend Brodhead if possible. Next year it will be Friday July
>>22 - Sunday July 24. That will be your best chance to see a fairly
>>large number of Pietenpols all in one place.
>>Are you a pilot yet? If not, go ahead and get your license while
>>building your Pietenpol. Where are you located?
>>Good Luck!
>>Jack Phillips
>>NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
>>Raleigh, NC
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
>>list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of integritywood
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:47 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
>><kim.integrity@gmail.com>
>>Hi all
>>First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years
>>or so ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane.
>>Looking back it likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch
>>plywood, weighed in at 3500 lbs empty, and been powered by a snowmobile
>>engine. Oh the optimism of youth! Then came real life, having a family
>>making a living, etc... But the dream of flight stayed nestled quietly
>>in the back of my mind, fanned once in a while with a ride or even just
>>watching a small plane fly by. A year and a half or so ago the ember
>>started glowing brighter again and with a little encouragement burst
>>into a flaming desire I can't seem to extinguish (okay I'm not trying
>>very hard).
>>with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't
>>so off the wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then
>>I found the Pietenpol. Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I
>>can taste it. Ive lurked here daily in the last year trying to learn all
>>I could about her but to shy to speak up till I could say Ive started
>>building. Well Ive started. Finished my rib jig yest and started cutting
>>pieces, What a feeling. My wife is doing very well with it considering
>>small planes scare her. I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to
>>complete so she doesn't have to worry for a while [Wink] Anyhow, thanks
>>Cliff for your kindly reply to my email the other day and Michael for
>>your hint video's.
>>See you around
>>Kim(ball)
>>--------
>>"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that
>>10 years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H.
>>Pietenpol
>><clip>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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What a great, encouraging collection of emails this morning!! I'm gonna go
out and work on my new (second) cowling for a while!!!
Welcome all you new guys, I really have nothing to add to the great words of
wisdom previously shared, other than take them to heart.
Great going Chris on your engine, can't wait to hear the numbers once she
runs.
Let's all make the shavings/chips/fabric fly this winter and hit Brodhead
running next year!!
Everyone have a blessed Thanksgiving. Just spent a week in Haiti, and
whatever is happening here that we don't like. we are still incredibly,
absolutely, abundantly blessed and provided for here in America, and have
MUCH to be thankful for. Long may it be.
Douwe
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| Subject: | where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Hey everybody,
My new cowling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers on it. I want
to find some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but don't now where
to look. I know I could form some myself, but I'd really like to find
something premade that I could make to work. A sheet with some in it would
be fine and I could cut out what I need.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Hopefully you will get some more specific answers soon, but if there are any speed
shops or street rod builders around you they probably know someone or have
the tools. I see places advertised in the car magazines. surely they could make
you a set in a blank sheet and send it pretty easy. do not archive. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320794#320794
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| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Can you wait until April?
Mittler Brothers has had a booth at Sun 'n Fun for quite a few years. They've graciously
lent us some of their toys in the metal shaping workshop while they're
there, so we've had a good working relationship with them. IIRC, they've historically
brought a press and louvering dies for demonstration. We could probably
talk Bill into letting us make a set.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Nov 24, 2010 9:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: where can I get some louvers for my cowling
Hey everybody,
My new cowling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers on it. I want to find
some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but dont now where to look.
I know I could form some myself, but Id really like to find something premade
that I could make to work. A sheet with some in it would be fine and I could
cut out what I need.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
http://www.hotrodlouvers.com/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Nov 24, 2010 8:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: where can I get some louvers for my cowling
Hey everybody,
My new cowling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers
on it. I want to find some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but dont
now where to look. I know I could form some myself, but Id really like
to find something premade that I could make to work. A sheet with some in it
would be fine and I could cut out what I need.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
I did a "hood louvers" search on ebay and found what I think you are looking for.
Louvers made from aluminum about 4" X 8". About $25
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320802#320802
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| Subject: | where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Good job, Jim! I was also interested in Douwe's request...
Happy Thanksgiving!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: where can I get some louvers for my cowling
http://www.hotrodlouvers.com/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Nov 24, 2010 8:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: where can I get some louvers for my cowling
Hey everybody,
My new cowling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers
on it. I want to find some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but
don't
now where to look. I know I could form some myself, but I'd really like
to find something premade that I could make to work. A sheet with some in
it
would be fine and I could cut out what I need.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Douwe
I have been looking too, for my current project.
Here are some links:
http://www.averytools.com/products.asp?dept=4
http://www.hoodlouvers.com/products.html#productshood
http://www.midgetlouver.com/products/rls_series.htm
If you want make your own try this link:
http://www.tinmantech.com/
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:07 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: where can I get some louvers for my cowling
Hey everybody,
My new cowling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers on it. I want
to find some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but don=99t
now where to look. I know I could form some myself, but I=99d really
like to find something premade that I could make to work. A sheet with so
me in it would be fine and I could cut out what I need.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Douwe, I had mine made at Quality Machine and Fabrication, 109 Lukken Dr. W
. =0ALagrange Ga. 706 884 3105. They were stamped out of a single piece of
alum. They =0Alook very nice and are hinged so I can get inside. He has onl
y one size but he =0Acan bunch them together, Cheers, Gardiner Mason=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Douwe Blumberg <douweblum
berg@earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0AS
ent: Wed, November 24, 2010 9:03:07 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: where can
I get some louvers for my cowling=0A=0A =0AHey everybody,=0A =0AMy new cow
ling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers on it. I want to =0Afind
some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but don=99t now whe
re to =0Alook. I know I could form some myself, but I=99d really lik
e to find something =0Apremade that I could make to work. A sheet with som
e in it would be fine and I =0Acould cut out what I need.=0A =0AAny thought
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| Subject: | Louvers---some side info |
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| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Home Depot ,, attic or gable end vents ,just cut out the area you need .=C2
-cheap =0Alouvers=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dou
we Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-l
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on it.=C2- I want to =0Afind some aluminum louvers that I could bond ont
o it, but don=99t now where to =0Alook.=C2- I know I could form som
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| Subject: | carb heat air scoop-- from Boater's World |
I picked this gem up at Boater's World about 5 minutes from work one day to
use
as my carb heat muff air inlet scoop.
http://www.boatersworld.com/product/MP80738592.htm
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Good to see you've made it to the list Charles! You are moving very fast on
your project and I still think you will be done before I will! Welcome abo
ard, sir! (S!)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 11/23/10, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newby
In the military anytime a new guy comes on the scene he is called a Newby.
- That's me.- Name is Chuck Campbell.- Dan Helsper led me to this lis
t.- I have been building an AirCamper since last May.- Have all the rib
s done, the tail surfaces done except for varnishing and covering/painting.
- Fuselage is about half done.- Have the wood for the wing spars.- Ju
st need to rip them to the proper width.- Am getting ready to installl th
e controls in the fuselage.- As soon as that is complete I can put on the
plywood sides, seats, turtle-back etc.- I have just about all the metal
pieces ready to go.- Dan has been helping me-by showing me how to get t
o the Stewart glue videos.- I want some info from some of you guys (like
Shad Bell and Rick Holland)-who used house paint.- I don't have access
to a paint booth to use the Stewart paint system.- All I have is a couple
of paint brushes.- Any word of advice from any of you would be appreciat
ed.- I've
been flying about all of my adult life but am plowing new ground building
this Piet.
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Welcome to the list Kim! Keep us informed with your progress and feel free
to post pictures. As always, if I may assist, drop me a line.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 11/23/10, integritywood <kim.integrity@gmail.com> wrote:
From: integritywood <kim.integrity@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
com>
Hi all
First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years or
so ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane. Looking b
ack it likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch plywood, weighed in
at 3500 lbs empty, and been powered by a snowmobile engine. Oh the optimis
m of youth! Then came real life, having a family making a living, etc...-
But the dream of flight stayed nestled quietly in the back of my mind, fan
ned once in a while with a ride or even just watching a small plane fly by.
A year and a half or so ago the ember started glowing brighter again and w
ith a little encouragement burst into a flaming desire I can't seem to exti
nguish (okay I'm not trying very hard).
with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't so o
ff the wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then I foun
d the Pietenpol. Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I can taste i
t. Ive lurked here daily in the last year trying to learn all I could about
her but to shy to speak up till I could say Ive started building. Well Ive
started. Finished my rib jig yest and started cutting pieces, What a feeli
ng. My wife is doing very well with it considering small planes scare her.
I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to complete so she doesn't have
to worry for a while [Wink]- Anyhow, thanks Cliff for your kindly reply
to my email the other day and Michael for your hint video's.
See you around
Kim(ball)
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"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10
years from now the design will be pretty warm still."- B. H. Pietenp
ol
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Salt Lake City Piet |
I will be in SLC until 28Th anyone want to talk Piets give me a shout,
262-326-1031
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Salt Lake City Piet |
Pieti,if denver is on your way home,give a holler.Dave
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| Subject: | latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
Charles, it is pretty easy to apply house paint (you have probably done it
a 100 times).- The technique Dad and I used is to use a 3inch foam brush
and apply all coats 90 degrees from the previous coat.- We used Sears Wea
therbeater Plus, with Flotrol (a flowing agent) mixed in with the paint.-
I believe the best way to mix in the flotrol is mix it in the qt cup you a
re using and dipping the brush in (don't mix it in with the whole gallon al
l at once, just my oppinion here).- We just used white as an undercoat, s
ome say you have to use black, so it will block out the UV rays, do as you
wish.- The 1st thing you need to buy, if you decide to commit and use lat
ex, is a good pair of ear plugs so you don't have to listen to all th B.S.
people will try to force feed you.- Some will say it's a great idea, othe
rs will tell you your paint is going to come off in flight, the fabric will
follow and you will be a 1929 lawn dart.- If I ever let the paint get
that bad, the fabric that rotten, that I didn't notice it on a preflight
-I guess I deserve to gravity plant a Corvair Spruce tree.- It Ain't th
e Space Shuttle (Mike Cuy can verify that, he works for NASA).- In closin
g, I think that poly fiber IS a better looking finish, Poly Fiber probably
WILL last longer, and it-WILL cost you more.- You can probably eaisly c
over and paint your piet twice with the Eco-bond, and latex, compared to us
ing the complete Poly Fiber system.-The other good bennifit to using wate
rbased adheasive and latex, is no toxic chemicals, fumes or clean-up.-The
choice is Yours choose wisely.
-
"Views-and oppinions-expressed in this e-mail are the sole oppinions of
Shad Bell, and in no way reflect the views of the pietenpol list."
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Salt Lake City Piet |
Pieti....just missed u then, I live in SLC but will be in Seattle for Turkey day
until the 29th. Let me know when you are in town again. Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: Pieti Lowell [mailto:Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 05:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Salt Lake City Piet
I will be in SLC until 28Th anyone want to talk Piets give me a shout,
262-326-1031
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Salt Lake City Piet |
Dave
Where in Denver? I'm in SE Denver and slowly working on a Piet...
Cheers
Jonathan A.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dangerous Dave <dsornbor@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Salt Lake City Piet
Pieti,if denver is on your way home,give a holler.Dave
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| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
I just finished painting my fuselage using Behr latex paint. Check out my w
eb site for details. Click on Pietenpol
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
Malcolm Morrison
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII (for sale)
ASW-15
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:36:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex aplication (paint, not the other things)
Charles, it is pretty easy to apply house paint (you have probably done it
a 100 times). The technique Dad and I used is to use a 3inch foam brush and
apply all coats 90 degrees from the previous coat. We used Sears Weatherbe
ater Plus, with Flotrol (a flowing agent) mixed in with the paint. I believ
e the best way to mix in the flotrol is mix it in the qt cup you are using
and dipping the brush in (don't mix it in with the whole gallon all at once
, just my oppinion here). We just used white as an undercoat, some say you
have to use black, so it will block out the UV rays, do as you wish. The 1s
t thing you need to buy, if you decide to commit and use latex, is a good p
air of ear plugs so you don't have to listen to all th B.S. people will try
to force feed you. Some will say it's a great idea, others will tell you y
our paint is going to come off in flight, the fabric will follow and you wi
ll be a 1929 lawn dart. If I ever let the paint get that bad, the fabric th
at rotten, that I didn't notice it on a preflight I guess I deserve to grav
ity plant a Corvair Spruce tree. It Ain't the Space Shuttle (Mike Cuy can v
erify that, he works for NASA). In closing, I think that poly fiber IS a be
tter looking finish, Poly Fiber probably WILL last longer, and it WILL cost
you more. You can probably eaisly cover and paint your piet twice with the
Eco-bond, and latex, compared to using the complete Poly Fiber system. The
other good bennifit to using waterbased adheasive and latex, is no toxic c
hemicals, fumes or clean-up. The choice is Yours choose wisely.
"Views and oppinions expressed in this e-mail are the sole oppinions of Sha
d Bell, and in no way reflect the views of the pietenpol list."
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
Shad,
-
Your post is soild and agree with what you had to say! No issues form me an
d frankly, I have seen many extremely nice latex painted planes throughout
the years. The only thing I can add is I think all paint comes from two man
ufacturer's in the country. So, not sure if the best is any different than
the worst as not sure what is added to separate them form each other.... ot
her than a label.
-
My 2Cents worth.
-
Ken Heide-
-
--- On Wed, 11/24/10, gliderx5@comcast.net <gliderx5@comcast.net> wrote:
From: gliderx5@comcast.net <gliderx5@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex aplication (paint, not the other things)
#yiv1198058740 p {margin:0;}
I just finished painting my fuselage using Behr latex paint.- Check out m
y web site for details.- Click on Pietenpol
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
Malcolm Morrison
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII (for sale)
ASW-15
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:36:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex aplication (paint, not the other things)
Charles, it is pretty easy to apply house paint (you have probably done it
a 100 times).- The technique Dad and I used is to use a 3inch foam brush
and apply all coats 90 degrees from the previous coat.- We used Sears Wea
therbeater Plus, with Flotrol (a flowing agent) mixed in with the paint.-
I believe the best way to mix in the flotrol is mix it in the qt cup you a
re using and dipping the brush in (don't mix it in with the whole gallon al
l at once, just my oppinion here).- We just used white as an undercoat, s
ome say you have to use black, so it will block out the UV rays, do as you
wish.- The 1st thing you need to buy, if you decide to commit and use lat
ex, is a good pair of ear plugs so you don't have to listen to all th B.S.
people will try to force feed you.- Some will say it's a great idea, othe
rs will tell you your paint is going to come off in flight, the fabric will
follow and you will be a 1929 lawn dart.- If I ever let the paint get
that bad, the fabric that rotten, that I didn't notice it on a preflight
-I guess I deserve to gravity plant a Corvair Spruce tree.- It Ain't th
e Space Shuttle (Mike Cuy can verify that, he works for NASA).- In closin
g, I think that poly fiber IS a better looking finish, Poly Fiber probably
WILL last longer, and it-WILL cost you more.- You can probably eaisly c
over and paint your piet twice with the Eco-bond, and latex, compared to us
ing the complete Poly Fiber system.-The other good bennifit to using wate
rbased adheasive and latex, is no toxic chemicals, fumes or clean-up.-The
choice is Yours choose wisely.
-
"Views-and oppinions-expressed in this e-mail are the sole oppinions of
Shad Bell, and in no way reflect the views of the pietenpol list."
-
Shad
_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
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| Subject: | latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
Arrgh!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gliderx5@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex aplication (paint, not the other things)
I just finished painting my fuselage using Behr latex paint. Check out my
web site for details. Click on Pietenpol
<http://home.comcast.net/%7Emmorrison123/>
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
Malcolm Morrison
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII (for sale)
ASW-15
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:36:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex aplication (paint, not the other things)
Charles, it is pretty easy to apply house paint (you have probably done it a
100 times). The technique Dad and I used is to use a 3inch foam brush and
apply all coats 90 degrees from the previous coat. We used Sears
Weatherbeater Plus, with Flotrol (a flowing agent) mixed in with the paint.
I believe the best way to mix in the flotrol is mix it in the qt cup you are
using and dipping the brush in (don't mix it in with the whole gallon all at
once, just my oppinion here). We just used white as an undercoat, some say
you have to use black, so it will block out the UV rays, do as you wish.
The 1st thing you need to buy, if you decide to commit and use latex, is a
good pair of ear plugs so you don't have to listen to all th B.S. people
will try to force feed you. Some will say it's a great idea, others will
tell you your paint is going to come off in flight, the fabric will follow
and you will be a 1929 lawn dart. If I ever let the paint get that bad, the
fabric that rotten, that I didn't notice it on a preflight I guess I deserve
to gravity plant a Corvair Spruce tree. It Ain't the Space Shuttle (Mike
Cuy can verify that, he works for NASA). In closing, I think that poly
fiber IS a better looking finish, Poly Fiber probably WILL last longer, and
it WILL cost you more. You can probably eaisly cover and paint your piet
twice with the Eco-bond, and latex, compared to using the complete Poly
Fiber system. The other good bennifit to using waterbased adheasive and
latex, is no toxic chemicals, fumes or clean-up. The choice is Yours choose
wisely.
"Views and oppinions expressed in this e-mail are the sole oppinions of Shad
Bell, and in no way reflect the views of the pietenpol list."
Shad
_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
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| Subject: | Model A Ford Engine Mount Dimension |
Does anyone have the distance between the Model A crankshaft centerline and the
top of the engine bearer? (see attached sketch) I believe this is basically the
thickness of the oil pan flange and the leather padding used between it and
the engine bearer. Is this correct?
Thanks Craig
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| Subject: | Wanted - BPA News Back Issues |
Wanted - Your unwanted issues of BPA News.
Thanks Craig
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A goal without a plan is nothing more than a wish. -- orion
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| Subject: | Re: latex aplication (paint, not the other things) |
I will be using latex (white undercoat) and 3m Fastbond (instead of Eco-bond) I
am 90% sure that the Fastbond is the same thing but less expensive. I have a
friend that is covering with the complete Stewart system and we are going to
do some experimenting and comparison.
BTW If anyone is interested in spraying latex, I purchased a turbine HVLP sprayer
from Harbor Freight for $70. When it came I thought it was just a toy. Sounds
like a shop vac. I am quite impressed, however with the results. I painted
my house with it this fall and it worked great on large flat areas. I am
not an expert painter, but I found it had good control and used about 30 to 40%
less paint. I may try it on the final coats on the Piet.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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