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0. 12:09 AM - Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle)
1. 03:46 AM - Re: Re: N13691 Question Thread (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:14 AM - Re: Piet progress pix (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:48 AM - dhyedral (giacummo)
4. 05:10 AM - Re: dhyedral (Harvey Rule)
5. 05:30 AM - WW (Charles Campbell)
6. 05:30 AM - Colors (Charles Campbell)
7. 05:30 AM - Re: Piet pix (Woodflier@aol.com)
8. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: N13691 Question Thread (Greg Cardinal)
9. 05:57 AM - Simulator for piet (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
10. 06:26 AM - Re: Simulator for piet (Gboothe5)
11. 08:14 AM - Re: Colors (Jack Phillips)
12. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: N13691 Question Thread (Ryan Mueller)
13. 08:16 AM - Re: Piet progress pix (Jack Phillips)
14. 08:29 AM - Re: Simulator for piet (Jack Phillips)
15. 09:18 AM - Re: Cleaning the shop (K5YAC)
16. 02:12 PM - Re: Simulator for piet (Michael Perez)
17. 02:56 PM - Re: Simulator for piet (Ryan Mueller)
18. 03:31 PM - Re: Colors (airlion)
19. 03:36 PM - color schemes (Oscar Zuniga)
20. 06:27 PM - Moment of silence please (Ryan Mueller)
21. 10:52 PM - Re: Simulator for piet (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
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| Subject: | Re: N13691 Question Thread |
Does anyone know if WW ever posted the results of the aircraft weighings at
Brodhead?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N13691 Question Thread
We took a measurement labeled "Front Bay", and if I recall correctly that w
as measured from firewall to front cabane strut fitting: it came out to 14"
for N13691.
Ryan
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Mr. Craig <acwelder@cableone.net> wrote:
Thanks guys. The pictures are excellent Baldeagle.
Does anyone have contact info for Frank Pavliga?
Is N13691 hangered at Brodhead or Frank's location?
Thanks Craig
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| Subject: | Piet progress pix |
Maybe we can set up parking at Brodhead by color scheme - Green and Cream on
one side, Orange and Blue on another, and Black and Yellow Germans in the
middle. Then there are the oddballs like Mike Cuy with Blue and White...
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
I'm going for Jack Phillips green/ivory. The lines are being drawn in the
sky...it'll be Us vs. Them...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth
Gardner
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
Yeah, someday we'll have to have a an exclusive blue/orange section at
Brodhead. Mine's going to be that scheme too, similar to Shad's.
Kip Gardner
On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
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> Wow Matt, it's beautiful! That's one of my favorite color combinations.
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> Very nice...these kinds of notes/pics sure do help "the rest of us" keep
our dream alive.
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> Congrats!
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> From: Woodflier@aol.com
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> Sent: Nov 27, 2010 8:37 AM
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
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> Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the strip
> where it'll make its first flights. The wings are in the paint booth and
should
> be done in a couple of weeks. Of course, the weather just turned, 29
degrees and
> 40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll back the calendar a couple of
months,
> weather-wise. But 629ML should be ready to fly to Brodhead in 2011.
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> Matt Paxton
> Fairfield, VA
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Hllo
What about the little dhyedral I saw in some piets?
How affect the stability and performance?, it is good, it is bad...
thank you.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321356#321356
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Dhyedral always gives more stability unless its anhyedral which they use in
fighter planes.
Watch pigeons fly=2Cthey use dhyedral like crazy.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: dhyedral
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> Date: Sun=2C 28 Nov 2010 04:46:05 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> What about the little dhyedral I saw in some piets?
> How affect the stability and performance?=2C it is good=2C it is bad...
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Dan, the latest I know of was in the Oct issue of BPAN. It stated that
WW would create a series of articles for BPAN covering the results of
the measurements. Chuck
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How about solid red with white sunburst on wing and tail? Where would
you park it?
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Time: 08:54:36 AM PST US
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
Beautiful Matt!!! But you forgot to build your elevators..
Jack
DSM
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Naa, I just left them off for the ride. Didn't want them flapping around in
the slipstream behind the pickup. They're installed now, but I did find
that the addition of fabric brought the upper elevator cables in contact with
the stabilizer, even with tension on them. I'll need leather pads for sure
but considering a small ash sheave on either side attached to the front of
the stabilizer.
Hope to start laying out the 2 foot NX-numbers on the bottom of the left
wing today.
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: N13691 Question Thread |
I believe the weighing results are coming in the next newsletter.
I'm curious to hear what others think about the weights of their
aircraft. NX18235 tipped the scales about 30 - 40 lbs more than I
expected.
Greg C.
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N13691 Question Thread
Does anyone know if WW ever posted the results of the aircraft
weighings at Brodhead?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N13691 Question Thread
We took a measurement labeled "Front Bay", and if I recall correctly
that was measured from firewall to front cabane strut fitting: it came
out to 14" for N13691.
Ryan
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Mr. Craig <acwelder@cableone.net>
wrote:
<acwelder@cableone.net>
Thanks guys. The pictures are excellent Baldeagle.
Does anyone have contact info for Frank Pavliga?
Is N13691 hangered at Brodhead or Frank's location?
Thanks Craig
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| Subject: | Simulator for piet |
Does anyone have a Piet simulator add on for Microsoft Flight Sim X?
If so what "Stick" do you use? Is there a fix to make it more Piet like. you know
like tape a broomstick to the Joystick.
Blue Skies
Steve
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| Subject: | Simulator for piet |
...with an outlet to plug in a fan, pointed at your face?
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Does anyone have a Piet simulator add on for Microsoft Flight Sim X?
If so what "Stick" do you use? Is there a fix to make it more Piet like. you
know like tape a broomstick to the Joystick.
Blue Skies
Steve
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Right next to Chuck Gantzer's N77CG
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Colors
How about solid red with white sunburst on wing and tail? Where would you
park it?
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| Subject: | Piet progress pix |
Great to see it progressing, Matt! Where will you base it? I'll have to
come by to see it next time we're up at Smith Mountain Lake.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Woodflier@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix
Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the strip
where it'll make its first flights. The wings are in the paint booth and
should be done in a couple of weeks. Of course, the weather just turned, 29
degrees and 40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll back the calendar a
couple of months, weather-wise. But 629ML should be ready to fly to Brodhead
in 2011.
Matt Paxton
Fairfield, VA
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| Subject: | Simulator for piet |
I've seen (and flown) one for I think Microsoft Flight Simulator, but it
didn't feel much like the real thing. To get any realism, you would need to
set the joystick on the floor and tape a broomstick to it, have rudder
pedals, have ineffective brakes (if simulating a wire wheel version), and
make the ailerons much less sensitive than the elevators.
Whenever I get out of my RV-4 and climb into the Pietenpol, on takeoff my
first thought is that something in the controls is broken because the
control movements are so large with so little happening.
Flight simulators might work OK for a plane like an airliner that is flown
pretty much by the numbers. I don't think they can do much to simulate a
plane like a Pietenpol that is flown by the seat of the pants.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Does anyone have a Piet simulator add on for Microsoft Flight Sim X?
If so what "Stick" do you use? Is there a fix to make it more Piet like. you
know like tape a broomstick to the Joystick.
Blue Skies
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning the shop |
Awesome John... glad you are having some fun. Hope you have a productive buildapalooza
season. I need to make some hay myself. I got my tubing order in...
now I face a whole new set of challenges.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321400#321400
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| Subject: | Simulator for piet |
I can't answer your question directly, but I have flown the Piet. in FS10. I use
a complete HOTAS set-up when I fly ACM on the computer, but as mentioned, you
would need to mount the stick on the floor and add a long handle of some sort.
Still, for those of us who want to fly during the winter months, or fly the
Piet. at places we would never get the chance, FS10 and and modified stick may
be cool.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Simulator for piet |
I have found MS Flight Sim Piet models before, and they are kind of neat to
fly. I have limited flight time in my Piet, but I feel safe in saying that
while kind of neat, computer flight sim models have little to no relation to
flying a real world Piet.
Even if the flight model is accurate, you are missing the wind, noise,
vibration, smell, and feeling of actually flying a Pietenpol. Since the Piet
is not really a fly-by-the-numbers airplane there really is no corollary on
the computer that can feel anything like flying a Piet (IMO).
Ryan
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> I can't answer your question directly, but I have flown the Piet. in FS10.
> I use a complete HOTAS set-up when I fly ACM on the computer, but as
> mentioned, you would need to mount the stick on the floor and add a long
> handle of some sort. Still, for those of us who want to fly during the
> winter months, or fly the Piet. at places we would never get the chance,
> FS10 and and modified stick may be cool.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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Hey Chuck, can I park next to you? Mine is Caliente Red Fuse and creame win
gs. =0AGardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack
Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASen
t: Sun, November 28, 2010 11:11:14 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Colors
=0A=0A =0ARight next to Chuck Gantzer=99s N77CG=0A =0AJack Phillips
=0ANX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0ARaleigh, NC=0A =0A=0A________
________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.c
om =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charl
es Campbell=0ASent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:24 AM=0ATo: Piet People=0AS
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Colors=0A =0AHow about solid red with white sunburs
t on wing and tail? Where would you park =0Ait?=0A =0A =0Awww.buildersbo
oks.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums
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Well, as long as we're all shouting out our favorite
paint schemes for Piets, I guess I'll weigh in as well.
One I've always liked is Steve Eldredge's... green
fuselage, cream-white wings and tail surfaces, and of course
the signature "Air Camper" graphic on the fuselage
sides. It's the logo for the Piet list on matronics.
I think if I were doing the Eldredge Piet, I would go
for silver wings and tail to go with the cowling though.
Then there are the gorgeous twins, Frank Pavliga's and
Don Emch's Piets with the solid color fuselage and
contrasting cream-color wings and wheel covers. I think
the close formation in-flight picture of those two airplanes will
be appearing in our EAA Chapter 35 December newsletter,
if my inside sources are correct ;o) The red and green colors say
"flying Christmas" in perfect harmony, together like that.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Moment of silence please |
http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Naked+star+Leslie+Nielsen+dead/3897138/story.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA
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| Subject: | Re: Simulator for piet |
OK so what I am hearing is (see I did learn from the "Active Listening class")
A. I need to tie a broomstick to the "stick"
B. I need a fan blowing in my face at 65-70 MPH.
C. Mounting a lawnmower engine between me and the Screen will enhance the sound
and smell (maybe I can use it to run the fan.)Also the chair and stick need to
be hard connected to the engine to get the vibration.
D. If I want a Model A Piet then I need to put an old car radiator between me and
the screen.
Anything else?
;+}
Steve
On 11/29/10, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have found MS Flight Sim Piet models before, and they are kind of neat to fly.
I have limited flight time in my Piet, but I feel safe in saying that while
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