---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/28/10: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:09 AM - Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:46 AM - Re: Re: N13691 Question Thread (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:14 AM - Re: Piet progress pix (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:48 AM - dhyedral (giacummo) 4. 05:10 AM - Re: dhyedral (Harvey Rule) 5. 05:30 AM - WW (Charles Campbell) 6. 05:30 AM - Colors (Charles Campbell) 7. 05:30 AM - Re: Piet pix (Woodflier@aol.com) 8. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: N13691 Question Thread (Greg Cardinal) 9. 05:57 AM - Simulator for piet (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM) 10. 06:26 AM - Re: Simulator for piet (Gboothe5) 11. 08:14 AM - Re: Colors (Jack Phillips) 12. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: N13691 Question Thread (Ryan Mueller) 13. 08:16 AM - Re: Piet progress pix (Jack Phillips) 14. 08:29 AM - Re: Simulator for piet (Jack Phillips) 15. 09:18 AM - Re: Cleaning the shop (K5YAC) 16. 02:12 PM - Re: Simulator for piet (Michael Perez) 17. 02:56 PM - Re: Simulator for piet (Ryan Mueller) 18. 03:31 PM - Re: Colors (airlion) 19. 03:36 PM - color schemes (Oscar Zuniga) 20. 06:27 PM - Moment of silence please (Ryan Mueller) 21. 10:52 PM - Re: Simulator for piet (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:20 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments... 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The pictures are excellent Baldeagle. Does anyone have contact info for Frank Pavliga? Is N13691 hangered at Brodhead or Frank's location? Thanks Craig -------- A goal without a plan is nothing more than a wish. -- orion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321252#321252 ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Then there are the oddballs like Mike Cuy with Blue and White... Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 2:00 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix I'm going for Jack Phillips green/ivory. The lines are being drawn in the sky...it'll be Us vs. Them... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (22 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix Yeah, someday we'll have to have a an exclusive blue/orange section at Brodhead. Mine's going to be that scheme too, similar to Shad's. Kip Gardner On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > > Wow Matt, it's beautiful! That's one of my favorite color combinations. > > Very nice...these kinds of notes/pics sure do help "the rest of us" keep our dream alive. > > Congrats! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Woodflier@aol.com > > Sent: Nov 27, 2010 8:37 AM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix > > > > > > > > > Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the strip > where it'll make its first flights. The wings are in the paint booth and should > be done in a couple of weeks. Of course, the weather just turned, 29 degrees and > 40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll back the calendar a couple of months, > weather-wise. But 629ML should be ready to fly to Brodhead in 2011. > > Matt Paxton > Fairfield, VA > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: dhyedral From: "giacummo" Hllo What about the little dhyedral I saw in some piets? How affect the stability and performance?, it is good, it is bad... thank you. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321356#321356 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:23 AM PST US From: Harvey Rule Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: dhyedral Dhyedral always gives more stability unless its anhyedral which they use in fighter planes. Watch pigeons fly=2Cthey use dhyedral like crazy. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: dhyedral > From: mario.giacummo@gmail.com > Date: Sun=2C 28 Nov 2010 04:46:05 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > m> > > Hllo > What about the little dhyedral I saw in some piets? > How affect the stability and performance?=2C it is good=2C it is bad... > > thank you. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321356#321356 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:22 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: WW Dan, the latest I know of was in the Oct issue of BPAN. It stated that WW would create a series of articles for BPAN covering the results of the measurements. Chuck ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:38 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Colors How about solid red with white sunburst on wing and tail? Where would you park it? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:46 AM PST US From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet pix Time: 08:54:36 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix Beautiful Matt!!! But you forgot to build your elevators.. Jack DSM ------ Naa, I just left them off for the ride. Didn't want them flapping around in the slipstream behind the pickup. They're installed now, but I did find that the addition of fabric brought the upper elevator cables in contact with the stabilizer, even with tension on them. I'll need leather pads for sure but considering a small ash sheave on either side attached to the front of the stabilizer. Hope to start laying out the 2 foot NX-numbers on the bottom of the left wing today. Matt ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:35 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N13691 Question Thread I believe the weighing results are coming in the next newsletter. I'm curious to hear what others think about the weights of their aircraft. NX18235 tipped the scales about 30 - 40 lbs more than I expected. Greg C. Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:44 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N13691 Question Thread Does anyone know if WW ever posted the results of the aircraft weighings at Brodhead? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 8:50 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N13691 Question Thread We took a measurement labeled "Front Bay", and if I recall correctly that was measured from firewall to front cabane strut fitting: it came out to 14" for N13691. Ryan On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Mr. Craig wrote: Thanks guys. The pictures are excellent Baldeagle. Does anyone have contact info for Frank Pavliga? Is N13691 hangered at Brodhead or Frank's location? Thanks Craig -------- A goal without a plan is nothing more than a wish. -- orion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321252#321252 ========== ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:09 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet Does anyone have a Piet simulator add on for Microsoft Flight Sim X? If so what "Stick" do you use? Is there a fix to make it more Piet like. you know like tape a broomstick to the Joystick. Blue Skies Steve ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:58 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet ...with an outlet to plug in a fan, pointed at your face? Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet Does anyone have a Piet simulator add on for Microsoft Flight Sim X? If so what "Stick" do you use? Is there a fix to make it more Piet like. you know like tape a broomstick to the Joystick. Blue Skies Steve ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:56 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Colors Right next to Chuck Gantzer's N77CG Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Colors How about solid red with white sunburst on wing and tail? 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Where will you base it? I'll have to come by to see it next time we're up at Smith Mountain Lake. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Woodflier@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix Well, the Piet fuselage is more or less finished and moved to the strip where it'll make its first flights. The wings are in the paint booth and should be done in a couple of weeks. Of course, the weather just turned, 29 degrees and 40 mph gusts today. Sure wish I could roll back the calendar a couple of months, weather-wise. But 629ML should be ready to fly to Brodhead in 2011. Matt Paxton Fairfield, VA ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:52 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet I've seen (and flown) one for I think Microsoft Flight Simulator, but it didn't feel much like the real thing. To get any realism, you would need to set the joystick on the floor and tape a broomstick to it, have rudder pedals, have ineffective brakes (if simulating a wire wheel version), and make the ailerons much less sensitive than the elevators. Whenever I get out of my RV-4 and climb into the Pietenpol, on takeoff my first thought is that something in the controls is broken because the control movements are so large with so little happening. Flight simulators might work OK for a plane like an airliner that is flown pretty much by the numbers. I don't think they can do much to simulate a plane like a Pietenpol that is flown by the seat of the pants. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet Does anyone have a Piet simulator add on for Microsoft Flight Sim X? If so what "Stick" do you use? Is there a fix to make it more Piet like. you know like tape a broomstick to the Joystick. Blue Skies Steve ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cleaning the shop From: "K5YAC" Awesome John... glad you are having some fun. Hope you have a productive buildapalooza season. I need to make some hay myself. I got my tubing order in... now I face a whole new set of challenges. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321400#321400 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:03 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet I can't answer your question directly, but I have flown the Piet. in FS10. I use a complete HOTAS set-up when I fly ACM on the computer, but as mentioned, you would need to mount the stick on the floor and add a long handle of some sort. Still, for those of us who want to fly during the winter months, or fly the Piet. at places we would never get the chance, FS10 and and modified stick may be cool. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet From: Ryan Mueller I have found MS Flight Sim Piet models before, and they are kind of neat to fly. I have limited flight time in my Piet, but I feel safe in saying that while kind of neat, computer flight sim models have little to no relation to flying a real world Piet. Even if the flight model is accurate, you are missing the wind, noise, vibration, smell, and feeling of actually flying a Pietenpol. Since the Piet is not really a fly-by-the-numbers airplane there really is no corollary on the computer that can feel anything like flying a Piet (IMO). Ryan On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > I can't answer your question directly, but I have flown the Piet. in FS10. > I use a complete HOTAS set-up when I fly ACM on the computer, but as > mentioned, you would need to mount the stick on the floor and add a long > handle of some sort. Still, for those of us who want to fly during the > winter months, or fly the Piet. at places we would never get the chance, > FS10 and and modified stick may be cool. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:47 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Colors Hey Chuck, can I park next to you? Mine is Caliente Red Fuse and creame win gs. =0AGardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASen t: Sun, November 28, 2010 11:11:14 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Colors =0A=0A =0ARight next to Chuck Gantzer=99s N77CG=0A =0AJack Phillips =0ANX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0ARaleigh, NC=0A =0A=0A________ ________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.c om =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charl es Campbell=0ASent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:24 AM=0ATo: Piet People=0AS ubject: Pietenpol-List: Colors=0A =0AHow about solid red with white sunburs t on wing and tail? Where would you park =0Ait?=0A =0A =0Awww.buildersbo oks.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums ============= =0A ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:32 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: color schemes Well, as long as we're all shouting out our favorite paint schemes for Piets, I guess I'll weigh in as well. One I've always liked is Steve Eldredge's... green fuselage, cream-white wings and tail surfaces, and of course the signature "Air Camper" graphic on the fuselage sides. It's the logo for the Piet list on matronics. I think if I were doing the Eldredge Piet, I would go for silver wings and tail to go with the cowling though. Then there are the gorgeous twins, Frank Pavliga's and Don Emch's Piets with the solid color fuselage and contrasting cream-color wings and wheel covers. I think the close formation in-flight picture of those two airplanes will be appearing in our EAA Chapter 35 December newsletter, if my inside sources are correct ;o) The red and green colors say "flying Christmas" in perfect harmony, together like that. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moment of silence please From: Ryan Mueller http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Naked+star+Leslie+Nielsen+dead/3897138/story.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:09 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Simulator for piet OK so what I am hearing is (see I did learn from the "Active Listening class") A. I need to tie a broomstick to the "stick" B. I need a fan blowing in my face at 65-70 MPH. C. Mounting a lawnmower engine between me and the Screen will enhance the sound and smell (maybe I can use it to run the fan.)Also the chair and stick need to be hard connected to the engine to get the vibration. D. If I want a Model A Piet then I need to put an old car radiator between me and the screen. Anything else? ;+} Steve On 11/29/10, Ryan Mueller wrote: > I have found MS Flight Sim Piet models before, and they are kind of neat to fly. I have limited flight time in my Piet, but I feel safe in saying that while kind of neat, computer flight sim models have little to no relation to flying a real world Piet. > > > > > Even if the flight model is accurate, you are missing the wind, noise, vibration, smell, and feeling of actually flying a Pietenpol. Since the Piet is not really a fly-by-the-numbers airplane there really is nocorollaryon the computer that can feel anything like flying a Piet (IMO). > > > > > Ryan > > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't answer your question directly, but I have flown the Piet. in FS10. I use a complete HOTAS set-up when I fly ACM on the computer, but as mentioned, you would need to mount the stick on the floor and add a long handle of some sort. Still, for those of us who want to fly during the winter months, or fly the Piet. at places we would never get the chance, FS10 and and modified stick may be cool. > > > > > > > > > > Michael Perez > > Karetaker Aero > > www.karetakeraero.com(blockedhttp://www.karetakeraero.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > > > .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > > > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > > > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.