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     0. 12:52 AM - [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! (Matt Dralle)
     1. 01:35 AM - Re: Re: dhyedral (Jack Phillips)
     2. 02:53 AM - Re: dhyedral (giacummo)
     3. 02:58 AM - Re: Piet progress pix (Clif Dawson)
     4. 03:37 AM - Re: Re: dhyedral (Ameet Savant)
     5. 03:56 AM - Re: Piet progress pix (Charles Campbell)
     6. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: dhyedral (Charles Campbell)
     7. 05:00 AM - Re: dhyedral (Jerry Dotson)
     8. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: dhyedral (hvandervoo@aol.com)
     9. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: dhyedral (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    10. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: dhyedral (Gary Wilson)
    11. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: dhyedral (Kenneth Howe)
    12. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: dhyedral (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    13. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: dhyedral (Jim Markle)
    14. 12:15 PM - rib fabircators (early builder)
    15. 04:15 PM - ready to go smoke system (Douwe Blumberg)
    16. 04:53 PM - Re: rib fabircators (Dangerous Dave)
    17. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: rib fabircators (Kimball Isaac)
    18. 09:36 PM - Re: ready to go smoke system (jorge lizarraga)
    19. 10:16 PM - Re: dhyedral (GliderMike)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:52:55 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
    Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its my 47th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you to all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator


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    Time: 01:35:35 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    I=92ve flown Pietenpols with and without dihedral and can=92t tell much difference in stability. I have about =BD=94 dihedral per side in my Pietenpol, and its stability is no better than the straight wing Piets I=92ve flown. You would probably need several inches per side to be able to get much stability, and that much would look funny, like a model airplane. Jack Phillips NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Rule Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:20 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral It's really up to you as to how much or how little you want.A couple of inches is really all you'll ever need just to give you some stability.If you go to far like about 6 inches then you have more than enough and the plane will be so stable that you'll fall asleep flying it.Fighter planes have anhyedral because they want them very unstable for doing things in the air that fighters have to do to get out of situations.The first plane I ever flew was a Quicksilver ultralight and it had a lot of dhyedral.Probably too much.As I recall it would practically fly itself. It's your personal preference really.It's your airplane.What do you want it to do? > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral > From: mario.giacummo@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:47:23 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> > > So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which things you have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not find anything about this configuration... > > Regards > > Mario > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657 > > > ==================== > _======== > > >


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    Time: 02:53:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    OK, thanks all for the answers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321763#321763


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    Time: 02:58:52 AM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Piet progress pix
    Tarheels, hmmmm. You want a unique paint scheme? One that has history to boot? http://www.bentwings.com/vf/tarheel/tarheelhal.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell Jack, I don't know if BPA can stan two tarheels. I live in Winston-Salem.


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    Time: 03:37:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    From: Ameet Savant <ameetsavant@gmail.com>
    Mario, Not having dihedral does not mean the plane is unstable. There are other ways to attain stability. For our purposes, a Piet being a high wing airplane has a center of gravity lower than the wing. This will reduce over banking and make it easy to return back to wing level. As an extreme example. Take a look at a powered parachute. The thing has an anhedral like you've never seen before, but stability is not compromised at all due to the extremely low center of gravity relative to he wing. For a low wing aircraft having a dihedral becomes essential because the center of gravity is slightly higher than the wings. If no dihedral is used the airplane could be more comfortable flying upside down. For low wing aircraft typically 6-8 degrees is used. A lot depends on where the CG is. I haven't got in to the reason why dihedral helps stability, but just want to illustrate that the Piet does not need it due to the inherent stability of the high wing and the very good track record of more than 80 years. Having said that, if you were to put a slight dihedral (I would say less than 2 degrees) it would not hurt anything other than your construction time line. ;) I hope that helps. Ameet Savant Omaha, NE On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 6:47 PM, giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which things > you have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not find anything > about this configuration... > > Regards > > Mario > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657 > >


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    Time: 03:56:42 AM PST US
    From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Piet progress pix
    No thanks -- for the paint scheme, that is. I don't see any Carolina blue anywhere! Do not archive. Chuck Campbell ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet progress pix Tarheels, hmmmm. You want a unique paint scheme? One that has history to boot? http://www.bentwings.com/vf/tarheel/tarheelhal.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell Jack, I don't know if BPA can stan two tarheels. I live in Winston-Salem.


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    Time: 04:39:27 AM PST US
    From: "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    I suggest you ask Hans van der Voort. Pictures of his Piet look like it has a little dihedral. Don't know for sure. do not archive Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral > <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> > > So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which > things you have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not find > anything about this configuration... > > Regards > > Mario > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657 > > >


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    Time: 05:00:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    I built 1 degree into my one piece wing which amounts to the tips being 3 inches higher than the center. The reason I did that was from an experience with a Stinson 108 that I owned. A prior owner had shortened the struts so the wing had ZERO dihedral. As long as you were doing air work or in the pattern it was great. Even a short cross country was a bit aggravating because it flew like sitting on a basketball. Look down at the Sectional, look back up and you were turning one way or the other. The dihedral makes it a lot harder to handle on the workbench. I hope to put it on an airplane one day ! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321773#321773 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00251_337.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/stinson_108_264.jpg


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    Time: 06:36:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    From: hvandervoo@aol.com
    I have about 1 degree in the 3 piece wing, flies great. Never flown a Piet with none so do not know how it compares. Hans NX 15KV -----Original Message----- From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> Sent: Tue, Nov 30, 2010 6:39 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral ream.net> I suggest you ask Hans van der Voort. Pictures of his Piet look like it ha s little dihedral. Don't know for sure. do not archive Chuck ----- Original Message ----- rom: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> o: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> ent: Monday, November 29, 2010 7:47 PM ubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which things you have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not find anything about this configuration... Regards Mario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657 -======================== - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on -= the Contribution link below to find out more about -= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided -= by: -= -= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com -= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com -= * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com - -= List Contribution Web Site: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution - -= Thank you for your generous support! - -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -========================


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    Time: 07:38:17 AM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    Unless I am missing a important point here, I trained on all Cessna's 150,152,172 so if I want that same performance style ad stability I should look up the Cessna design ad add that exact amount to my build ad it will act or closely approximate similar flight qualities as the Cessna's that I am more used to flying and better acquainted with. Is that an accurate assessment? And if so how much does Cessna typically use in their designs? Additionally is that a value that's proportionate to the total wing span such that wings having a shorter or longer than the Cessna wing span has more or less dihedral and at what rate or ratio? I know that if want a Cessna should buy one of those, however that's not what am asking, so I would short cut the typical answers, but thanks anyway. I am more looking for comparative information and the relationship to something I am most familiar with. Thanks John In a message dated 11/30/2010 8:01:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdotson@centurylink.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net> I built 1 degree into my one piece wing which amounts to the tips being 3 inches higher than the center. The reason I did that was from an experience with a Stinson 108 that I owned. A prior owner had shortened the struts so the wing had ZERO dihedral. As long as you were doing air work or in the pattern it was great. Even a short cross country was a bit aggravating because it flew like sitting on a basketball. Look down at the Sectional, look back up and you were turning one way or the other. The dihedral makes it a lot harder to handle on the workbench. I hope to put it on an airplane one day ! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321773#321773 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00251_337.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/stinson_108_264.jpg


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    Time: 08:03:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    From: Gary Wilson <gtche98@gmail.com>
    My experience with dihedral is in model planes, as Jack mentions below. We would put a lot of dihedral in a model plane to enable it to fly without ailerons. My understanding is that the Piet doesn't necessarily need it because it is a parasol wing, with the CG sitting much lower than the wing. That makes the plane act like it is a pendulum, self-stabilizing to some extent. Dihedral is more critical in a low wing plane, as the CG is sitting on top of the wing. Gary Wilson On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrot e: > I=92ve flown Pietenpols with and without dihedral and can=92t tell much > difference in stability. I have about =BD=94 dihedral per side in my Pie tenpol, > and its stability is no better than the straight wing Piets I=92ve flown. You > would probably need several inches per side to be able to get much > stability, and that much would look funny, like a model airplane. > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 > > Raleigh, NC > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Harvey Rule > *Sent:* Monday, November 29, 2010 10:20 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral > > > It's really up to you as to how much or how little you want.A couple of > inches is really all you'll ever need just to give you some stability.If you > go to far like about 6 inches then you have more than enough and the plan e > will be so stable that you'll fall asleep flying it.Fighter planes have > anhyedral because they want them very unstable for doing things in the ai r > that fighters have to do to get out of situations.The first plane I ever > flew was a Quicksilver ultralight and it had a lot of dhyedral.Probably t oo > much.As I recall it would practically fly itself. > It's your personal preference really.It's your airplane.What do you want it > to do? > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral > > From: mario.giacummo@gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:47:23 -0800 > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > mario.giacummo@gmail.com> > > > > So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which > things you have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not fin d > anything about this configuration... > > > > Regards > > > > Mario > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657 > > > > > > ==================== > > _======== > > > > > > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.buildersbooks.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== ============* > >


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    Time: 08:54:19 AM PST US
    From: Kenneth Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com>
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    John, Taking one design element from a Cessna (i.e. amount of dihedral) and applying it to a Piet won't have the same affect. We're also talking about high wing vs. a parasol. If I remember my ancient history (meaning the Aero classes I took 35+ years ago) positive dihedral will IN GENERAL affect a parasol more than a closed cabin high wing like a Cessna. In other words a parasol probably has more inherent stability than a high wing cabin monoplane with equivalent dihedral. In reality however, you have to take in account the whole aircraft - where's the CG in relation to the wing, configuration (parasol, high wing, low wing), wing planform, aileron configuration (frieze type vs hinged flap, sealed vs unsealed, etc.), and I'd guess even the effects of the tail (tail arm, rudder & fin size) - to decide how much dihedral is appropriate. Remember, no part of the airplane flys by itself. =46rom evidence presented here, it sounds like Piet's have flown with either no, or from 1 - 2 degrees, dihedral. I'd bet that sealing the aileron gap has more affect on overall handling than adding a degree if dihedral. I'll probably put in a degree or so on mine, but I'm not close to that point yet. Happy building, Ken On Nov 30, 2010, at 7:29 AM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote: > Unless I am missing a important point here, I trained on all Cessna's 150,152,172 so if I want that same performance style ad stability I should look up the Cessna design ad add that exact amount to my build ad it will act or closely approximate similar flight qualities as the Cessna's that I am more used to flying and better acquainted with. Is that an accurate assessment? And if so how much does Cessna typically use in their designs? Additionally is that a value that's proportionate to the total wing span such that wings having a shorter or longer than the Cessna wing span has more or less dihedral and at what rate or ratio? > > I know that if want a Cessna should buy one of those, however that's not what am asking, so I would short cut the typical answers, but thanks anyway. I am more looking for comparative information and the relationship to something I am most familiar with. > > Thanks > > John > > > > In a message dated 11/30/2010 8:01:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdotson@centurylink.net writes: <jdotson@centurylink.net> > > I built 1 degree into my one piece wing which amounts to the tips being 3 inches higher than the center. The reason I did that was from an experience with a Stinson 108 that I owned. A prior owner had shortened the struts so the wing had ZERO dihedral. As long as you were doing air work or in the pattern it was great. Even a short cross country was a bit aggravating because it flew like sitting on a basketball. Look down at the Sectional, look back up and you were turning one way or the other. The dihedral makes it a lot harder to handle on the workbench. I hope to put it on an airplane one day ! > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321773#321773 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00251_337.jpg > http://fo===================== ==nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE to find Gifts ilder's ELP b k you for p; -Matt Dralle, List ======================== Use the ties Day =================== ==== - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS > > > > >


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    Time: 10:05:26 AM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    Thanks guys, I appreciate the insight especially in attempting to gain a perspective on the entire issue and its effect on the Piet as opposed t other popular aircraft designs. John In a message dated 11/30/2010 11:54:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ken@cooper-mtn.com writes: John, Taking one design element from a Cessna (i.e. amount of dihedral) and applying it to a Piet won't have the same affect. We're also talking about high wing vs. a parasol. If I remember my ancient history (meaning the Aero classes I took 35+ years ago) positive dihedral will IN GENERAL affect a parasol more than a closed cabin high wing like a Cessna. In other words a parasol probably has more inherent stability than a high wing cabin monoplane with equivalent dihedral. In reality however, you have to take in account the whole aircraft - where's the CG in relation to the wing, configuration (parasol, high wing, low wing), wing planform, aileron configuration (frieze type vs hinged flap, sealed vs unsealed, etc.), and I'd guess even the effects of the tail (tail arm, rudder & fin size) - to decide how much dihedral is appropriate. Remember, no part of the airplane flys by itself. >From evidence presented here, it sounds like Piet's have flown with either no, or from 1 - 2 degrees, dihedral. I'd bet that sealing the aileron gap has more affect on overall handling than adding a degree if dihedral. I'll probably put in a degree or so on mine, but I'm not close to that point yet. Happy building, Ken On Nov 30, 2010, at 7:29 AM, _amsafetyc@aol.com_ (mailto:amsafetyc@aol.com) wrote: Unless I am missing a important point here, I trained on all Cessna's 150,152,172 so if I want that same performance style ad stability I should look up the Cessna design ad add that exact amount to my build ad it will act or closely approximate similar flight qualities as the Cessna's that I am more used to flying and better acquainted with. Is that an accurate assessment? And if so how much does Cessna typically use in their designs? Additionally is that a value that's proportionate to the total wing span such that wings having a shorter or longer than the Cessna wing span has more or less dihedral and at what rate or ratio? I know that if want a Cessna should buy one of those, however that's not what am asking, so I would short cut the typical answers, but thanks anyway. I am more looking for comparative information and the relationship to something I am most familiar with. Thanks John In a message dated 11/30/2010 8:01:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _jdotson@centurylink.net_ (mailto:jdotson@centurylink.net) writes: <_jdotson@centurylink.net_ (mailto:jdotson@centurylink.net) > I built 1 degree into my one piece wing which amounts to the tips being 3 inches higher than the center. The reason I did that was from an experience with a Stinson 108 that I owned. A prior owner had shortened the struts so the wing had ZERO dihedral. As long as you were doing air work or in the pattern it was great. Even a short cross country was a bit aggravating because it flew like sitting on a basketball. Look down at the Sectional, look back up and you were turning one way or the other. The dihedral makes it a lot harder to handle on the workbench. I hope to put it on an airplane one day ! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: _http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321773#321773_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321773#321773) Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00251_337.jpg http://fo=======================nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE to find Gifts ilder's ELP b k you for p; -Matt Dralle, List ======================== Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS href="http://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.ma tronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L ist href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com (http://www.aeroelectric.com/) (http://www.buildersbooks.com/) (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)


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    Time: 10:30:26 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    In case anyone is interested in what these numbers mean, here's a nice simple calculator: http://www.csgnetwork.com/righttricalc.html You can enter the length of the wing panel and the rise you want and the calculator will give you the angle. Or enter the angle and distance and the calculator will give you the rise. In Hans' case, for example, I entered 15' as the distance (side b) and 1 degree as the angle (angle A) and the result was .26' Multiply that by 12 (to change that to inches) and the result is 3.12", about 3 1/8" Took me forever to be able to relate these discussions to real numbers so maybe someone else would like to see the real numbers. JM -----Original Message----- From: hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Nov 30, 2010 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral I have about 1 degree in the 3 piece wing, flies great. Never flown a Piet with none so do not know how it compares. Hans NX 15KV -----Original Message----- From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> Sent: Tue, Nov 30, 2010 6:39 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral I suggest you ask Hans van der Voort. Pictures of his Piet look like it has a little dihedral. Don't know for sure. do not archive Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dhyedral > <mario.giacummo@gmail.com> > > So, why some airplanes have and some no? how much is too much, which > things you have to take in account to do it with or without? I do not find > anything about this configuration... > > Regards > > Mario > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321657#321657 > > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 12:15:45 PM PST US
    From: early builder <nx797rd@yahoo.com>
    Subject: rib fabircators
    Is anyone making / selling pietenpol ribs anymore?


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    Time: 04:15:03 PM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: ready to go smoke system
    FYI everyone, If you're considering a smoke system, ck out aeroconversions.com and go to "accessories". They make a nice 1.7 gal aluminum tank that mounts to the firewall and comes with the associated pumps, switches etc. It's much more pricey than doing it yourself, but it might be worth it as a time savor for some. Douwe


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    Time: 04:53:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: rib fabircators
    From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor@aol.com>
    http://www.westernaircraftspruce.com/aboutus.php try these guys,they are good folks and have been building Piet kits for a long time.They build ribs as far as I know.Dave -------- Building a Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321861#321861


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    Time: 07:51:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: rib fabircators
    From: Kimball Isaac <kim.integrity@gmail.com>
    FWIW I called them this fall and they are having a hard time getting material around as the large multinational companies have the timber rights tied up, also the government branch in charge of forestry isn't interested in working with small companies As a result most of our high quality wood tends to get exported. I ended up ordering from aircraft spruce as he didn't know when he'd have wood. Kim On 2010-11-30 4:56 PM, "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor@aol.com> wrote: > > http://www.westernaircraftspruce.com/aboutus.php > try these guys,they are good folks and have been building Piet kits for a long time.They build ribs as far as I know.Dave > > -------- > Building a Piet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321861#321861 > >


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    Time: 09:36:25 PM PST US
    From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: ready to go smoke system
    waaauuu is about another wood for allmos another fuselaje if you look in au toparts the sistem motor cables and houses for winshiel wiper sistem at wal mart lessat 10 usd. and the reservir tsank from any smal car in perfect sha pe in clude electrc motor in junk yard is 5.00 true 7.50 i stic whit that a nd work perfect I saw my self these way in airplane just perfect corse if y ou have extra 220 you cand duet alot thinks seyou , like you guys say my se ns work penny --- On Tue, 11/30/10, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: ready to go smoke system FYI everyone, =C2- If you=99re considering a smoke system, ck out aeroconversions.com an d go to =9Caccessories=9D.=C2- They make a nice 1.7 gal alumi num tank that mounts to the firewall and comes with the associated pumps, s witches etc.=C2- It=99s much more pricey than doing it yourself, bu t it might be worth it as a time savor for some. =C2- Douwe =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 10:16:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: dhyedral
    From: "GliderMike" <glidermikeg@yahoo.com>
    OK, this may sound like a dumb question, but to be able to put in a little dihedral, are you shaping the spar to do it on a one piece wing, or something else. on a 3 piece wing, I would think you could build the dihedral in when the attach brackets were built or attached. Since I've never built a flying model airplane, and the only aircraft I have built was a hot air balloon, I don't have any experience to fall back on. -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321889#321889




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