---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/04/10: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:40 AM - Re: tack welding (Clif Dawson) 2. 04:00 AM - Re: It flies again for the first time (skellytown flyer) 3. 07:07 AM - Re: It flies again for the first time (Gary Boothe) 4. 07:25 AM - Re: Trouble with the Piet list (Don Heringhaus) 5. 08:24 AM - FOR SALE - Pietenpol Air Camper Builders Manual & Sup P (Mr. Craig) 6. 09:02 AM - physiological fuselages (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 10:15 AM - Re: BPA Newsletter email (Mr. Craig) 8. 10:51 AM - Re: Welding Question2 (V Groah) 9. 01:08 PM - Hey, Got My Ribs Done (Tucker) 10. 01:17 PM - Re: tack welding (Tucker) 11. 03:16 PM - Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done (Jerry Dotson) 12. 03:56 PM - Re: physiological fuselages (Rick Holland) 13. 03:57 PM - another fine day (Oscar Zuniga) 14. 04:26 PM - Re: physiological fuselages (Michael Perez) 15. 04:33 PM - Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done (Michael Perez) 16. 05:28 PM - Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done (echobravo4) 17. 05:54 PM - Re: Welding Question2 (jorge lizarraga) 18. 06:06 PM - Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done (coxwelljon) 19. 08:32 PM - Re: Welding Question2 (V Groah) 20. 09:33 PM - Re: another fine day (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM) 21. 11:44 PM - Re: Welding Question3 (jorge lizarraga) 22. 11:46 PM - Re: another fine day2 (jorge lizarraga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:16 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tack welding It's been a while since I did any welding on these parts next to wood so I forgot something until just now. I found this stuff in the welding supply before doing that You paint on the parts near the weld and it acts as a heat sink. My supply is long gone now but I'm sure a supply company or welder would know what it is and where to get it. Clif My first question is are you gas or tig welding? I'm not sure you could even do this with gas as the metal has to heat up and there would be no way to protect the underlying wood and glue from scorching. Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It flies again for the first time From: "skellytown flyer" You mention the Amarillo area- are you around here now? that is a fine looking airplane! Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322244#322244 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:20 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: It flies again for the first time That's a great story, and a cool picture! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (22 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piep Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 7:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: It flies again for the first time N1709R is finally back in the air. After 600hrs of labor and a few thousand dollars, the airplane flew for the first time (again) after being brought back to life from being neglected for the past 10 or so years. (It is interesting to note the size of the giant tail. The original builder didn't think it had enough rudder control, so he enlarged it to over double the normal size. Now it has lots of rudder authority, but looks somewhat cartoonish in flight. At first, I didn't like it, but it is growing on me (no pun intended). Thanks for everyone's input and help. Looking through some very old photos from my wife's grandparents, we noticed a picture of a barnstormer who landed in a field in a Jenny and took my wife's aunt for a ride. The next year he was back in a Ford Tri-motor in the same field in the Amarillo area. So, for our Christmas cards to the family this year, we re-enacted the photo with the Piet and had them printed in the Sepia color to look old. They turned out pretty good. Charlie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322228#322228 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/stephen_thanksgiving_pic_611.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/stephen_sepia_piet_727.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:22 AM PST US From: "Don Heringhaus" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trouble with the Piet list he should make sure he is sending a message to the list with the same e mail address that he signed up with..I had that trouble until I realized I was reading the list at my shop with a different email heading then the one I signed on with 73 Don w8zrz ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: FOR SALE - Pietenpol Air Camper Builders Manual & Sup P From: "Mr. Craig" I accidentally ended up with two copies of the Builders Manual. My cost was $37. Anyone needing one can have my extra copy for $33 with free shipping. Also have a set of new Original Pietenpol Air Camper Supplemental Plans I have no need of, for $55 with free shipping. Following is description from the Pietenpol Family web site. -- Original Pietenpol Air Camper & Sky Scout Builders Manual Original Builders manual that contains the text written by Mr. Pietenpol for the Flying & Glider Manual and Popular Aviation magazines of the 1930's. This is the information pertinent to building the Air Camper and the Sky Scout in the1930's. Also included is history about the planes that Mr. Pietenpol built and construction notes to assist the first time builder to better understand why it's built as it is. A good head start! Bernard wrote much of this manual himself and documents the how to's! Chapter I The Amateur Airplane Builder Chapter II Modern Mechanics and Inventions Ford A Powered 2-Seat Monoplane Pietenpol Steel Tube Fuselage Mounting the Motor on your Air Camper The Pietenpol-Ford Motor Conversion Chapter III Sky Scout The Pietenpol Sky Scout Tail Group and Fuselage Fittings Chapter IV Converting Ford Model A Engines For Flight Chapter V Itemized Parts List Chapter VI Airplane Chronology Chapter VII Converting the Corvair Engine For Flight Chapter VIII Sixty-five Years Of Post Flight Chapter IX Builders Notes Chapter X Builders Questions Original Air Camper & Sky Scout Builders Manual $37.00 US Dollars *Free Shipping ----------------------------------------------------------- Original Pietenpol Air Camper Supplemental Plans Includes drawings showing the installation of the Corvair engine. This packet of plans includes drawing for a longer fuselage, Corvair motor mount drawing, Corvair propeller hub drawing, 65 hp Continental engine motor mount drawing. Original Air Camper Supplemental Drawings (Extended Fuselage to be used with A-65's and modern engines) $60.00 US Dollars *Free Shipping -------- A goal without a plan is nothing more than a wish. -- orion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322260#322260 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:28 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: physiological fuselages Mike wrote: >My fuselage should feel pretty lucky then...I'M the one >who takes all those physiological barbs, opinions, insults, >rude comments, etc. while out there with it...it just gets the praise... Ah, so then you are a "mock builder"-? do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BPA Newsletter email From: "Mr. Craig" Dan I've sent several emails to the address Jack posted. Never a a reply. Craig -------- A goal without a plan is nothing more than a wish. -- orion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322279#322279 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:25 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 Jorge=2C How are you doing with your Piet? I have not heard from you for a long tim e. Recently I have seen a couple of posts by you on the site. Good to see that you are still active. I would like to come over some time and check out your progress and share ideas. Since we are only 40 minutes drive it s eems odd we have not kept closer contact. On the flip side you=2C and all the Piet folks are always welcome at our shop. Where are you in your progress at this time? It sounds like you have made some movement forward. Vic Groah Tulare CA. do not archive From: flightwood@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 ok in the way i weld my metal parts special landingear attachment plate and lungs is make a fake belly bottom from my fuselaje mesurament and atached plates in plase and weld by gas and acetylene the jig wood is burn but the plates is weld others part like elevator bellcrank I used pliers or metal c lamps for my landingear leg made from metal tubing make a plywood jig riced from base wood about 1inch or so make the tigh joint and welds work bery w ell and is bery safe=2C I never trate to well anie part attach from my real airplane. I jope these ideas help you tanks all jorge from hanford --- On Thu=2C 12/2/10=2C AlRice wrote: From: AlRice Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts together that are bolted to wood structure=2C for example the landing gear mounts o n the bottom longerons=2C how do I prevent scorching of the wood or damagin g the glue joint? Thanks for the help. This is my first wood airplane. -------- Al Rice Skybolt 260 RV-9A Helping with my grandson's Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322132#322132http://www.matro p=3B --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List sp=3B --> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hey, Got My Ribs Done From: "Tucker" Got my ribs all done. Hooray! Now onto the fuselage. Captain says that we have to build a mock fuselage first. I guess we'll do that when I'm out of school for the Christmas break. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322293#322293 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0002_134.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tack welding From: "Tucker" I'm using TIG which does the best job of keeping the heat localized and minimized but it is still too much heat for wood and glue joints. I'll build a throw away fuse for mock-up. -------- Tucker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322294#322294 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done From: "Jerry Dotson" Tucker, You make me proud. Keep on a keepin' on and one day you will fly your OWN airplane. In the process you are learning things that no one can take away from you. The skills you learn while building will pass on to adult life as a way to get a job if you want to work with your hands. I would love to have you for a grandson. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322299#322299 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: physiological fuselages From: Rick Holland Better than being a mock pilot. do not archive On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Mike wrote: > > >My fuselage should feel pretty lucky then...I'M the one > >who takes all those physiological barbs, opinions, insults, > >rude comments, etc. while out there with it...it just gets the praise... > > Ah, so then you are a "mock builder"-? > > do not archive > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > San Antonio, TX > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:01 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: another fine day Put another 2.4 hrs. in the logbook today at the controls of "Scout". Beautiful day for flying... practically CAVU in advance of a cold front, just barely jacket weather at 2500 ft. but we were glad we had jackets after 30 minutes at 3000 ft. There was an open house and fly-in at Castroville today, just 10 minutes south of my home field. Flew over there to fuel up and to see who was on the field, only to find a very quiet day there. Fueled up, then the airport guys took my brother and I over to the hangar where a fellow is building a scale Nieuport 12 replica with a 9-cylinder Rotec radial. Gorgeous airplane! While we were getting ready to head out, traffic called "North American xxx entering downwind..." and we knew it was something special. It was. A stunning SNJ! He landed, fueled up, and then we taxied out for our takeoff, headed to Medina Lake and then to Boerne Stage Airport to drop off my brother. While we were climbing out toward Medina Lake, I see the SNJ clawing up towards us! He formed up on our starboard wing, they waved through the open canopies, then zoomed off. We were at cruise at 70MPH and the SNJ smoked past us like we were tied down ;o) Sun was on our port side and illuminated his broadside in our view, so itlit up the SNJ in a picture-perfect way our wing. I got some pix of it on the ground, but not in the air, doggone it. I love flying this airplane, even if I did notice that yet another of the cooling eyebrow mounting tabs has now fatigued clear through. Sigh. I replace about one every 6 months... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:28 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: physiological fuselages Well, I was referring to my actual fuselage...I did not make a mock up of it. However, I make A LOT of templates...I use a CAD type program and print out the various metal parts, (and my own designs) to see how they all look/fit together. I am more of a "Template Builder" I guess. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:10 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hey, Got My Ribs Done Good for you. Smart to get that most tedious task out of the way right up front when you are highly motivated. Building the fuselage has bee my favorite part so far! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done From: "echobravo4" Good Job Tucker! I was glad to be done with my ribs and start on the tail. I will be starting on the wings or the fuse after Christmas. Keep up the good work! Earl do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322307#322307 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:29 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 hi vic bery soory from these long time about, but my job letmy grounded fro m alot time,, now I have to run before travel to visit my wife in mexico ab out december 15,- I like to talk you guys and take alot of pictured from - you museum pietenpol proyect, now just work in a few small pices from m y front landingear lengs, I weld the lungs (hinges) make slow progres about welding, horns ,elevator, rudder, alerons done my housing pulleys is almos weld all component instal from control metal parts, I think be all from th e rest of year nex be closed my fuselaje sides and stare make wings tanks f or you bery help and frienly reseption I jope before live the tow tal whit you and resive alot advice I needt thaknks jorge from hanford --- On Sat, 12/4/10, V Groah wrote: From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 Jorge, - How are-you doing with-your Piet?- I have not heard from you for a lo ng time.- Recently I have-seen a couple-of posts by you on the-site .--Good to see that you are still active.- I would like to come over some time and check out your progress and share ideas.- Since we are only 40 minutes drive it seems odd we have not kept closer contact.- On the f lip-side you, and all the Piet folks are always welcome at our shop. - Where are you in your progress at this time?- It sounds like you have mad e some-movement forward.- - Vic Groah Tulare-CA.-- - do not archive-- - From: flightwood@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 ok in the way i weld my metal parts special landingear attachment plate and lungs is make a fake belly bottom from my fuselaje mesurament and atached plates in plase and weld by gas and acetylene the jig wood is burn but the plates is weld others part like elevator bellcrank I used pliers or metal c lamps for my landingear leg made from metal tubing make a plywood jig riced from base wood about 1inch or so make the tigh joint and welds work bery w ell and is bery safe, I never trate to well anie part attach from my real a irplane. I jope these ideas help you tanks all jorge from hanford --- On Thu, 12/2/10, AlRice wrote: From: AlRice Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts together that are bolted to wood structure, for example the landing gear mounts on the bottom longerons, how do I prevent scorching of the wood or damaging th e glue joint? Thanks for the help.- This is my first wood airplane. -------- Al Rice Skybolt 260 RV-9A Helping with my grandson's Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322132#322132http://www.matro - - - - p;---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List sp;---> _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done From: "coxwelljon" Congratulations Tucker, you have accomplished a lot. Just keep at it and before you know it you will have the makings of a real airplane. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322311#322311 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:31 PM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 I understand the time constraints of earning a living. It must be very har d when much of the family is not with you. That would be very hard for me. I am very close to my wife. It would be so hard to be separated. Maybe after you get back we can set up a time when we can see your progress. As I said before=2C you are welcome in our shop as well. It is good that you are making progress with those time consuming small par ts. It all takes so much time. There are so many parts to make. Good luck and keep in touch. Vic do not archive From: flightwood@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 hi vic bery soory from these long time about=2C but my job letmy grounded f rom alot time=2C=2C now I have to run before travel to visit my wife in mex ico about december 15=2C I like to talk you guys and take alot of pictured from you museum pietenpol proyect=2C now just work in a few small pices f rom my front landingear lengs=2C I weld the lungs (hinges) make slow progre s about welding=2C horns =2Celevator=2C rudder=2C alerons done my housing p ulleys is almos weld all component instal from control metal parts=2C I thi nk be all from the rest of year nex be closed my fuselaje sides and stare m ake wings tanks for you bery help and frienly reseption I jope before live the tow tal whit you and resive alot advice I needt thaknks jorge from hanf ord --- On Sat=2C 12/4/10=2C V Groah wrote: From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 Jorge=2C How are you doing with your Piet? I have not heard from you for a long tim e. Recently I have seen a couple of posts by you on the site. Good to see that you are still active. I would like to come over some time and check out your progress and share ideas. Since we are only 40 minutes drive it s eems odd we have not kept closer contact. On the flip side you=2C and all the Piet folks are always welcome at our shop. Where are you in your progress at this time? It sounds like you have made some movement forward. Vic Groah Tulare CA. do not archive From: flightwood@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 ok in the way i weld my metal parts special landingear attachment plate and lungs is make a fake belly bottom from my fuselaje mesurament and atached plates in plase and weld by gas and acetylene the jig wood is burn but the plates is weld others part like elevator bellcrank I used pliers or metal c lamps for my landingear leg made from metal tubing make a plywood jig riced from base wood about 1inch or so make the tigh joint and welds work bery w ell and is bery safe=2C I never trate to well anie part attach from my real airplane. I jope these ideas help you tanks all jorge from hanford --- On Thu=2C 12/2/10=2C AlRice wrote: From: AlRice Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts together that are bolted to wood structure=2C for example the landing gear mounts o n the bottom longerons=2C how do I prevent scorching of the wood or damagin g the glue joint? Thanks for the help. This is my first wood airplane. -------- Al Rice Skybolt 260 RV-9A Helping with my grandson's Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322132#322132http://www.matro p=3B --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List sp=3B --> _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank rel=nofollow>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank rel=nofollow>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank rel=nofollow>www.homebuilthelp.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:32 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another fine day Man, I wish I was there. I am getting "Horny for aviation." In the 1990s I was "Shot down" in my Cessna 150 by a P51 over Galveston. The P51 was on a photoshoot with a B17. When I saw him I announced my position. He called TallyHO rolled off and did a "Gun run" straight at me while doing aleron rolls. He passed by my right wing. I got one photo. A winged blur. Then he formed up on the B17 and went on his way. Way Cool. Blue Skies, Steve D On 12/05/10, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Put another 2.4 hrs. in the logbook today at the controls of > "Scout". Beautiful day for flying... practically CAVU in advance > of a cold front, just barely jacket weather at 2500 ft. but > we were glad we had jackets after 30 minutes at 3000 ft. > > There was an open house and fly-in at Castroville today, just 10 > minutes south of my home field. Flew over there to fuel up and > to see who was on the field, only to find a very quiet day there. > Fueled up, then the airport guys took my brother and I over to > the hangar where a fellow is building a scale Nieuport 12 replica > with a 9-cylinder Rotec radial. Gorgeous airplane! While we > were getting ready to head out, traffic called "North American xxx > entering downwind..." and we knew it was something special. It was. > A stunning SNJ! He landed, fueled up, and then we taxied out > for our takeoff, headed to Medina Lake and then to Boerne Stage > Airport to drop off my brother. While we were climbing out toward > Medina Lake, I see the SNJ clawing up towards us! He formed up on > our starboard wing, they waved through the open canopies, then > zoomed off. We were at cruise at 70MPH and the SNJ smoked past us > like we were tied down ;o) Sun was on our port side and illuminated > his broadside in our view, so itlit up the SNJ in a picture-perfect > way our wing. I got some pix of it on the ground, but not in the air, > doggone it. > > I love flying this airplane, even if I did notice that yet another > of the cooling eyebrow mounting tabs has now fatigued clear through. > Sigh. I replace about one every 6 months... > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > San Antonio, TX > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:44 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question3 tanks for all you advise vic and later we need to ask what cain of aluminiu m your used in cowling from cockpict ans the masuraments about sruts from m ain wing suport thoses from cockpit to top part I search fro spruce and not match whit my blue print tanks for all jorge from hanford --- On Sat, 12/4/10, V Groah wrote: From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 I understand the-time constraints of earning a living.- It must be-ve ry hard when-much of the family is not with you.- That-would be-ver y hard for me.- I am very close to my wife.- It would be so hard to be separated.- Maybe-after you get back we can set up a time when we can -see your progress.- As I said before, you are welcome in our shop as w ell. - It is good that you are making progress with those time consuming small par ts.- It-all takes-so much time.- There are so many parts to make. - - Good luck and-keep in touch.- Vic - do not archive- - From: flightwood@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 hi vic bery soory from these long time about, but my job letmy grounded fro m alot time,, now I have to run before travel to visit my wife in mexico ab out december 15,- I like to talk you guys and take alot of pictured from - you museum pietenpol proyect, now just work in a few small pices from m y front landingear lengs, I weld the lungs (hinges) make slow progres about welding, horns ,elevator, rudder, alerons done my housing pulleys is almos weld all component instal from control metal parts, I think be all from th e rest of year nex be closed my fuselaje sides and stare make wings tanks f or you bery help and frienly reseption I jope before live the tow tal whit you and resive alot advice I needt thaknks jorge from hanford --- On Sat, 12/4/10, V Groah wrote: From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 #yiv1810446883 .yiv1810446883ExternalClass #yiv1810446883ecxyiv543248017 .y iv1810446883ecxyiv543248017hmmessage P {padding:0px;} #yiv1810446883 .yiv1810446883ExternalClass #yiv1810446883ecxyiv543248017 .y iv1810446883ecxyiv543248017hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Jorge, - How are-you doing with-your Piet?- I have not heard from you for a lo ng time.- Recently I have-seen a couple-of posts by you on the-site .--Good to see that you are still active.- I would like to come over some time and check out your progress and share ideas.- Since we are only 40 minutes drive it seems odd we have not kept closer contact.- On the f lip-side you, and all the Piet folks are always welcome at our shop. - Where are you in your progress at this time?- It sounds like you have mad e some-movement forward.- - Vic Groah Tulare-CA.-- - do not archive-- - From: flightwood@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2 ok in the way i weld my metal parts special landingear attachment plate and lungs is make a fake belly bottom from my fuselaje mesurament and atached plates in plase and weld by gas and acetylene the jig wood is burn but the plates is weld others part like elevator bellcrank I used pliers or metal c lamps for my landingear leg made from metal tubing make a plywood jig riced from base wood about 1inch or so make the tigh joint and welds work bery w ell and is bery safe, I never trate to well anie part attach from my real a irplane. I jope these ideas help you tanks all jorge from hanford --- On Thu, 12/2/10, AlRice wrote: From: AlRice Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts together that are bolted to wood structure, for example the landing gear mounts on the bottom longerons, how do I prevent scorching of the wood or damaging th e glue joint? 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I am getting "Horny for aviation." In the 1990s I was "Shot down" in my Cessna 150 by a P51 over Galveston. Th e P51 was on a photoshoot with a B17. When I saw him I announced my positio n. He called TallyHO rolled off and did a "Gun run" straight at me while do ing aleron rolls. He passed by my right wing. I got one photo. A winged blu r. Then he formed up on the B17 and went on- his way. Way Cool. Blue Skies, Steve D On 12/05/10, Oscar Zuniga- wrote: > > > > Put another 2.4 hrs. in the logbook today at the controls of > "Scout".- Beautiful day for flying... practically CAVU in advance > of a cold front, just barely jacket weather at 2500 ft. but > we were glad we had jackets after 30 minutes at 3000 ft. >- > There was an open house and fly-in at Castroville today, just 10 > minutes south of my home field.- Flew over there to fuel up and > to see who was on the field, only to find a very quiet day there. > Fueled up, then the airport guys took my brother and I over to > the hangar where a fellow is building a scale Nieuport 12 replica > with a 9-cylinder Rotec radial.- Gorgeous airplane!- While we > were getting ready to head out, traffic called "North American xxx > entering downwind..." and we knew it was something special.- It was. > A stunning SNJ!- He landed, fueled up, and then we taxied out > for our takeoff, headed to Medina Lake and then to Boerne Stage > Airport to drop off my brother.- While we were climbing out toward > Medina Lake, I see the SNJ clawing up towards us!- He formed up on > our starboard wing, they waved through the open canopies, then > zoomed off.- We were at cruise at 70MPH and the SNJ smoked past us > like we were tied down ;o)- Sun was on our port side and illuminated > his broadside in our view, so itlit up the SNJ in a picture-perfect > way our wing.- I got some pix of it on the ground, but not in the air, > doggone it. >- > I love flying this airplane, even if I did notice that yet another > of the cooling eyebrow mounting tabs has now fatigued clear through. > Sigh.- I replace about one every 6 months... > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > San Antonio, TX > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.