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1. 06:38 AM - Re: Fuselage Mockup (GliderMike)
2. 06:39 AM - Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done (GliderMike)
3. 08:32 AM - mock fuselage (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 09:56 AM - Re: mock fuselage (Charles Campbell)
5. 10:55 AM - Re: Welding Question3 (V Groah)
6. 04:20 PM - Re: mock fuselage (Rick Holland)
7. 04:27 PM - Slave to fashion (Rick Holland)
8. 04:37 PM - Re: Slave to fashion (Jack Phillips)
9. 04:44 PM - Re: Slave to fashion (Scott Knowlton)
10. 06:06 PM - Re: Slave to fashion (Dick N)
11. 06:34 PM - Re: mock fuselage (Jim Boyer)
12. 07:01 PM - Re: Welding Question3 (jorge lizarraga)
13. 07:11 PM - Re: mock fuselage (Rick Holland)
14. 07:26 PM - Re: Slave to fashion (kevinpurtee)
15. 07:34 PM - Re: another fine day (kevinpurtee)
16. 07:51 PM - Ford Radiators (Pieti Lowell)
17. 08:02 PM - Re: Slave to fashion (K5YAC)
18. 08:44 PM - Re: Slave to fashion (kevinpurtee)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Mockup |
I have friends in Salt Lake City who are scratch building an LSA, and they had
some special needs on the airplane. I think they ended up building at least 3
mock fuselages to be able to get everything to be workable on space in the cabin,
and accessibility. My wife didn't understand why they would need a mock fuselage
at all, much less multiples. Sitting down and measuring what you think
you need sounds like it should work, however, getting in and out of, and sitting
in something exactly like you are building works better. Use cheap lumber,
but not so cheap it breaks! :? I am thinking I may build a few ribs for pracitce
before I start using the good stuff.
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Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
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| Subject: | Re: Hey, Got My Ribs Done |
Excellent Tucker. Good job! :D
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Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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What's really good about building a mock fuselage is that
it can be put together very quickly and easily, doesn't
require a lot of precise fitting, but gives tremendous
seat-of-the-pants feedback. Very rewarding. You can use
any scrap materials laying around the garage or hangar,
doesn't have to be aircraft grade. Gussets can be 1/4" or
3/16" plywood, lumber can be from packing crates or wood
pallets, you can shoot it all together with an air
stapler without fussing about the joints or worrying about
weight. The instrument boards don't have to be perfectly
shaped or sanded, nothing needs to be exact... build it
to the nearest 1/16" tick mark on your measuring tape and
get some Elmer's yellow glue or Gorilla Glue (an excellent
use for it!) and wham it together in a weekend.
>From there, it becomes a very useful tool for fitting a
whole host of things without having to permanently change
or make holes in your "real" fuselage. You can easily
try out changes in geometry, controls, instruments, or
anything else. Drill multiple sets of holes as you
adjust the location of controls or fittings or mounts- it
won't matter because it was never intended to be airworthy.
But best of all, you can sit in it and so
can your friends, family, or visitors- and get an instant
feel for what it's like in the real airplane. In fact, if
you wanted to, you could build it on sawhorses in the
3-point configuration or in level cruise configuration (or,
if you're clever, you can mount the front on pins or
dowels that allow the mock-up to rotate from one position
to the other), using an old broomhandle or piece of conduit
as a pivot and having two different mounting points at the
aft sawhorse. That way, you can do all sorts of other things
like checking how things sit using different wheels or
landing gear.
Yes, you can even throw a coat of paint on it ;o) Pull out
that old half-gallon of paint that's getting hard in the
garage... whatever color it happens to be. That way,
it can be put outdoors out of the way if you don't have room
for it in your shop. If you have kids, it is absolutely the
best plaything they will have around, and it will give them
an introduction to the cockpit without any worry about breaking
anything.
Go one step further? Set that old orphaned big-screen TV in
front of it and pop in Mike Cuy's DVD flying scenes ;o) Walmart
sells a super-dependable little Magnavox DVD player for $29
that will play even the most scratched DVDs. I think you could
rig a smoke system, too...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: mock fuselage |
Oscar, you have quite the imagination. Makes me want to build a mock
fuselage. In fact, I might just do that. I can always put it out under the
deck for my grandson (and later on my great grandkids) to play with. Chuck
C.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: mock fuselage
>
>
> What's really good about building a mock fuselage is that
> it can be put together very quickly and easily, doesn't
> require a lot of precise fitting, but gives tremendous
> seat-of-the-pants feedback. Very rewarding. You can use
> any scrap materials laying around the garage or hangar,
> doesn't have to be aircraft grade. Gussets can be 1/4" or
> 3/16" plywood, lumber can be from packing crates or wood
> pallets, you can shoot it all together with an air
> stapler without fussing about the joints or worrying about
> weight. The instrument boards don't have to be perfectly
> shaped or sanded, nothing needs to be exact... build it
> to the nearest 1/16" tick mark on your measuring tape and
> get some Elmer's yellow glue or Gorilla Glue (an excellent
> use for it!) and wham it together in a weekend.
>
>>From there, it becomes a very useful tool for fitting a
> whole host of things without having to permanently change
> or make holes in your "real" fuselage. You can easily
> try out changes in geometry, controls, instruments, or
> anything else. Drill multiple sets of holes as you
> adjust the location of controls or fittings or mounts- it
> won't matter because it was never intended to be airworthy.
> But best of all, you can sit in it and so
> can your friends, family, or visitors- and get an instant
> feel for what it's like in the real airplane. In fact, if
> you wanted to, you could build it on sawhorses in the
> 3-point configuration or in level cruise configuration (or,
> if you're clever, you can mount the front on pins or
> dowels that allow the mock-up to rotate from one position
> to the other), using an old broomhandle or piece of conduit
> as a pivot and having two different mounting points at the
> aft sawhorse. That way, you can do all sorts of other things
> like checking how things sit using different wheels or
> landing gear.
>
> Yes, you can even throw a coat of paint on it ;o) Pull out
> that old half-gallon of paint that's getting hard in the
> garage... whatever color it happens to be. That way,
> it can be put outdoors out of the way if you don't have room
> for it in your shop. If you have kids, it is absolutely the
> best plaything they will have around, and it will give them
> an introduction to the cockpit without any worry about breaking
> anything.
>
> Go one step further? Set that old orphaned big-screen TV in
> front of it and pop in Mike Cuy's DVD flying scenes ;o) Walmart
> sells a super-dependable little Magnavox DVD player for $29
> that will play even the most scratched DVDs. I think you could
> rig a smoke system, too...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Welding Question3 |
My son=2C Mike bought the aluminum=2C I will have him give you the info on
what we used. We bought some used struts for the material to make new ones
for our Piet. We sorted out the 4 we are going to use. There are several
extra. They are a larger dimension but could be used for material. We ar
e going to measure and photograph them and make them available if someone s
hould have a use for them. The price would be very right.
Keep in touch Vic
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From: flightwood@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question3
tanks for all you advise vic and later we need to ask what cain of aluminiu
m your used in cowling from cockpict ans the masuraments about sruts from m
ain wing suport thoses from cockpit to top part I search fro spruce and not
match whit my blue print tanks for all jorge from hanford
--- On Sat=2C 12/4/10=2C V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2
I understand the time constraints of earning a living. It must be very har
d when much of the family is not with you. That would be very hard for me.
I am very close to my wife. It would be so hard to be separated. Maybe
after you get back we can set up a time when we can see your progress. As
I said before=2C you are welcome in our shop as well.
It is good that you are making progress with those time consuming small par
ts. It all takes so much time. There are so many parts to make.
Good luck and keep in touch. Vic
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From: flightwood@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2
hi vic bery soory from these long time about=2C but my job letmy grounded f
rom alot time=2C=2C now I have to run before travel to visit my wife in mex
ico about december 15=2C I like to talk you guys and take alot of pictured
from you museum pietenpol proyect=2C now just work in a few small pices f
rom my front landingear lengs=2C I weld the lungs (hinges) make slow progre
s about welding=2C horns =2Celevator=2C rudder=2C alerons done my housing p
ulleys is almos weld all component instal from control metal parts=2C I thi
nk be all from the rest of year nex be closed my fuselaje sides and stare m
ake wings tanks for you bery help and frienly reseption I jope before live
the tow tal whit you and resive alot advice I needt thaknks jorge from hanf
ord
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From: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2
Jorge=2C
How are you doing with your Piet? I have not heard from you for a long tim
e. Recently I have seen a couple of posts by you on the site. Good to see
that you are still active. I would like to come over some time and check
out your progress and share ideas. Since we are only 40 minutes drive it s
eems odd we have not kept closer contact. On the flip side you=2C and all
the Piet folks are always welcome at our shop.
Where are you in your progress at this time? It sounds like you have made
some movement forward.
Vic Groah Tulare CA.
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From: flightwood@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2
ok in the way i weld my metal parts special landingear attachment plate and
lungs is make a fake belly bottom from my fuselaje mesurament and atached
plates in plase and weld by gas and acetylene the jig wood is burn but the
plates is weld others part like elevator bellcrank I used pliers or metal c
lamps for my landingear leg made from metal tubing make a plywood jig riced
from base wood about 1inch or so make the tigh joint and welds work bery w
ell and is bery safe=2C I never trate to well anie part attach from my real
airplane. I jope these ideas help you tanks all jorge from hanford
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question
This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts together
that are bolted to wood structure=2C for example the landing gear mounts o
n the bottom longerons=2C how do I prevent scorching of the wood or damagin
g the glue joint?
Thanks for the help. This is my first wood airplane.
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Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet
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| Subject: | Re: mock fuselage |
The mock fuse helped me figure out the plans in 3D space and make several
mistakes before I started cutting and gluing the expensive wood. And a great
landing gear/welding jig. (And its been a lot of fun at parties having
friends and family sit in and take stupid pictures).
rick
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> What's really good about building a mock fuselage is that
> it can be put together very quickly and easily, doesn't
> require a lot of precise fitting, but gives tremendous
> seat-of-the-pants feedback. Very rewarding. You can use
> any scrap materials laying around the garage or hangar,
> doesn't have to be aircraft grade. Gussets can be 1/4" or
> 3/16" plywood, lumber can be from packing crates or wood
> pallets, you can shoot it all together with an air
> stapler without fussing about the joints or worrying about
> weight. The instrument boards don't have to be perfectly
> shaped or sanded, nothing needs to be exact... build it
> to the nearest 1/16" tick mark on your measuring tape and
> get some Elmer's yellow glue or Gorilla Glue (an excellent
> use for it!) and wham it together in a weekend.
>
> >From there, it becomes a very useful tool for fitting a
> whole host of things without having to permanently change
> or make holes in your "real" fuselage. You can easily
> try out changes in geometry, controls, instruments, or
> anything else. Drill multiple sets of holes as you
> adjust the location of controls or fittings or mounts- it
> won't matter because it was never intended to be airworthy.
> But best of all, you can sit in it and so
> can your friends, family, or visitors- and get an instant
> feel for what it's like in the real airplane. In fact, if
> you wanted to, you could build it on sawhorses in the
> 3-point configuration or in level cruise configuration (or,
> if you're clever, you can mount the front on pins or
> dowels that allow the mock-up to rotate from one position
> to the other), using an old broomhandle or piece of conduit
> as a pivot and having two different mounting points at the
> aft sawhorse. That way, you can do all sorts of other things
> like checking how things sit using different wheels or
> landing gear.
>
> Yes, you can even throw a coat of paint on it ;o) Pull out
> that old half-gallon of paint that's getting hard in the
> garage... whatever color it happens to be. That way,
> it can be put outdoors out of the way if you don't have room
> for it in your shop. If you have kids, it is absolutely the
> best plaything they will have around, and it will give them
> an introduction to the cockpit without any worry about breaking
> anything.
>
> Go one step further? Set that old orphaned big-screen TV in
> front of it and pop in Mike Cuy's DVD flying scenes ;o) Walmart
> sells a super-dependable little Magnavox DVD player for $29
> that will play even the most scratched DVDs. I think you could
> rig a smoke system, too...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Slave to fashion |
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to
fashion that I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I have to
get one of those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I can ever make
my first flight. So can anyone recommend a good website/brand that you like?
Also if you are going to use headphones do you need a different type of
helmet?
thanks
rick
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Slave to fashion |
Hi Rick,
I bought a fairly high-dollar leather helmet with headset built in that I've
been very happy with. It's pricey (nearly $400) but when you consider that
the price includes a headset, it's pretty reasonable. I've had a lot of
comments from people I've talked with over the radio that said they would
never have believed I was in an open cockpit. It's that good.
Here's the link:
http://www.gibson-barnes.com/Communications+Helmet/id/18/cat_id/23/prod_id/1
61/
They also make flying helmets, both leather and cloth, without comm
capability.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to
fashion that I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I have to
get one of those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I can ever make
my first flight. So can anyone recommend a good website/brand that you like?
Also if you are going to use headphones do you need a different type of
helmet?
thanks
rick
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
There was a great Australian company at Oshkosh a few years ago with a fantastic
leather helmet with an interior shell made of kevlar. Probably not protective
in a bad crash but at least better then leather as armour for the noggin.
They were meant to be used with a David Clark or similar headseat. I'm sure you'll
find them If you google. Good luck.
Scott Knowlton
Slow builder in Burlington
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From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to fashion that
I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I have to get one of
those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I can ever make my first flight.
So can anyone recommend a good website/brand that you like? Also if you are
going to use headphones do you need a different type of helmet?
thanks
rick
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
Hi Rick
I bought a Aircraft Spruce leather helmet with fleece ling. It is ver
comfortable. I have their 2008-09 cataloug, it is on page 571 model
711L. For glasses, I went to a Harley Davidson dealer. They have some
nice sets of goggles.
Dick N.
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From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 6:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slave to fashion
The wife needs to know what I need for Christmas and being a slave to
fashion that I am (like most of my fellow Piet builders), I figure I
have to get one of those cool leather flying helmets/goggles before I
can ever make my first flight. So can anyone recommend a good
website/brand that you like? Also if you are going to use headphones do
you need a different type of helmet?
thanks
rick
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: mock fuselage |
HI Rick,
Looks like you had alot of fun with your mock fuselage.
Cheers,
Jim
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 4:14:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: mock fuselage
The mock fuse helped me figure out the plans in 3D space and make several mistakes
before I started cutting and gluing the expensive wood. And a great landing
gear/welding jig. (And its been a lot of fun at parties having friends and family
sit in and take stupid pictures).
rick
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Oscar Zuniga < taildrags@hotmail.com > wrote:
What's really good about building a mock fuselage is that
it can be put together very quickly and easily, doesn't
require a lot of precise fitting, but gives tremendous
seat-of-the-pants feedback. Very rewarding. You can use
any scrap materials laying around the garage or hangar,
doesn't have to be aircraft grade. Gussets can be 1/4" or
3/16" plywood, lumber can be from packing crates or wood
pallets, you can shoot it all together with an air
stapler without fussing about the joints or worrying about
weight. The instrument boards don't have to be perfectly
shaped or sanded, nothing needs to be exact... build it
to the nearest 1/16" tick mark on your measuring tape and
get some Elmer's yellow glue or Gorilla Glue (an excellent
use for it!) and wham it together in a weekend.
>From there, it becomes a very useful tool for fitting a
whole host of things without having to permanently change
or make holes in your "real" fuselage. You can easily
try out changes in geometry, controls, instruments, or
anything else. Drill multiple sets of holes as you
adjust the location of controls or fittings or mounts- it
won't matter because it was never intended to be airworthy.
But best of all, you can sit in it and so
can your friends, family, or visitors- and get an instant
feel for what it's like in the real airplane. In fact, if
you wanted to, you could build it on sawhorses in the
3-point configuration or in level cruise configuration (or,
if you're clever, you can mount the front on pins or
dowels that allow the mock-up to rotate from one position
to the other), using an old broomhandle or piece of conduit
as a pivot and having two different mounting points at the
aft sawhorse. That way, you can do all sorts of other things
like checking how things sit using different wheels or
landing gear.
Yes, you can even throw a coat of paint on it ;o) Pull out
that old half-gallon of paint that's getting hard in the
garage... whatever color it happens to be. That way,
it can be put outdoors out of the way if you don't have room
for it in your shop. If you have kids, it is absolutely the
best plaything they will have around, and it will give them
an introduction to the cockpit without any worry about breaking
anything.
Go one step further? Set that old orphaned big-screen TV in
front of it and pop in Mike Cuy's DVD flying scenes ;o) Walmart
sells a super-dependable little Magnavox DVD player for $29
that will play even the most scratched DVDs. I think you could
rig a smoke system, too...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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all right tanks I whiting for you inform jorge from hanford
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question3
My son, Mike bought the aluminum, I will have him give you the info on what
we used.--We bought some used struts for the material to make new ones
for our Piet.- We sorted out the 4-we are going to use.- There are s
everal extra.- They are a larger dimension but could be used for material
.--We are going to measure-and photograph them and make them availabl
e if someone-should have a use for them.- The price would be very right
.-
Keep in touch Vic-
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From: flightwood@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question3
tanks for all you advise vic and later we need to ask what cain of aluminiu
m your used in cowling from cockpict ans the masuraments about sruts from m
ain wing suport thoses from cockpit to top part I search fro spruce and not
match whit my blue print tanks for all jorge from hanford
--- On Sat, 12/4/10, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2
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I understand the-time constraints of earning a living.- It must be-ve
ry hard when-much of the family is not with you.- That-would be-ver
y hard for me.- I am very close to my wife.- It would be so hard to be
separated.- Maybe-after you get back we can set up a time when we can
-see your progress.- As I said before, you are welcome in our shop as w
ell.
-
It is good that you are making progress with those time consuming small par
ts.- It-all takes-so much time.- There are so many parts to make.
-
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Good luck and-keep in touch.- Vic
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From: flightwood@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2
hi vic bery soory from these long time about, but my job letmy grounded fro
m alot time,, now I have to run before travel to visit my wife in mexico ab
out december 15,- I like to talk you guys and take alot of pictured from
- you museum pietenpol proyect, now just work in a few small pices from m
y front landingear lengs, I weld the lungs (hinges) make slow progres about
welding, horns ,elevator, rudder, alerons done my housing pulleys is almos
weld all component instal from control metal parts, I think be all from th
e rest of year nex be closed my fuselaje sides and stare make wings tanks f
or you bery help and frienly reseption I jope before live the tow tal whit
you and resive alot advice I needt thaknks jorge from hanford
--- On Sat, 12/4/10, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2
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Jorge,
-
How are-you doing with-your Piet?- I have not heard from you for a lo
ng time.- Recently I have-seen a couple-of posts by you on the-site
.--Good to see that you are still active.- I would like to come over
some time and check out your progress and share ideas.- Since we are only
40 minutes drive it seems odd we have not kept closer contact.- On the f
lip-side you, and all the Piet folks are always welcome at our shop.
-
Where are you in your progress at this time?- It sounds like you have mad
e some-movement forward.-
-
Vic Groah Tulare-CA.--
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From: flightwood@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question2
ok in the way i weld my metal parts special landingear attachment plate and
lungs is make a fake belly bottom from my fuselaje mesurament and atached
plates in plase and weld by gas and acetylene the jig wood is burn but the
plates is weld others part like elevator bellcrank I used pliers or metal c
lamps for my landingear leg made from metal tubing make a plywood jig riced
from base wood about 1inch or so make the tigh joint and welds work bery w
ell and is bery safe, I never trate to well anie part attach from my real a
irplane. I jope these ideas help you tanks all jorge from hanford
--- On Thu, 12/2/10, AlRice <Allen@allenrice.net> wrote:
From: AlRice <Allen@allenrice.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding Question
This might be really dumb question but when I'm tack welding parts together
that are bolted to wood structure, for example the landing gear mounts on
the bottom longerons, how do I prevent scorching of the wood or damaging th
e glue joint?
Thanks for the help.- This is my first wood airplane.
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Al Rice
Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet
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| Subject: | Re: mock fuselage |
Great conversation piece at parties. And if you have kids you could hang it
from a tree and the kids would have a great time. We tried using ours also
as a kind of weird toboggan, problem is there is no way to steer and if you
lean too much you just tip.
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On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net> wrote:
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> HI Rick,
> Looks like you had alot of fun with your mock fuselage.
> Cheers,
> Jim
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 4:14:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: mock fuselage
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> The mock fuse helped me figure out the plans in 3D space and make several
> mistakes before I started cutting and gluing the expensive wood. And a great
> landing gear/welding jig. (And its been a lot of fun at parties having
> friends and family sit in and take stupid pictures).
>
> rick
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Oscar Zuniga < taildrags@hotmail.com >
> wrote:
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>
>
> What's really good about building a mock fuselage is that
> it can be put together very quickly and easily, doesn't
> require a lot of precise fitting, but gives tremendous
> seat-of-the-pants feedback. Very rewarding. You can use
> any scrap materials laying around the garage or hangar,
> doesn't have to be aircraft grade. Gussets can be 1/4" or
> 3/16" plywood, lumber can be from packing crates or wood
> pallets, you can shoot it all together with an air
> stapler without fussing about the joints or worrying about
> weight. The instrument boards don't have to be perfectly
> shaped or sanded, nothing needs to be exact... build it
> to the nearest 1/16" tick mark on your measuring tape and
> get some Elmer's yellow glue or Gorilla Glue (an excellent
> use for it!) and wham it together in a weekend.
>
> >From there, it becomes a very useful tool for fitting a
> whole host of things without having to permanently change
> or make holes in your "real" fuselage. You can easily
> try out changes in geometry, controls, instruments, or
> anything else. Drill multiple sets of holes as you
> adjust the location of controls or fittings or mounts- it
> won't matter because it was never intended to be airworthy.
> But best of all, you can sit in it and so
> can your friends, family, or visitors- and get an instant
> feel for what it's like in the real airplane. In fact, if
> you wanted to, you could build it on sawhorses in the
> 3-point configuration or in level cruise configuration (or,
> if you're clever, you can mount the front on pins or
> dowels that allow the mock-up to rotate from one position
> to the other), using an old broomhandle or piece of conduit
> as a pivot and having two different mounting points at the
> aft sawhorse. That way, you can do all sorts of other things
> like checking how things sit using different wheels or
> landing gear.
>
> Yes, you can even throw a coat of paint on it ;o) Pull out
> that old half-gallon of paint that's getting hard in the
> garage... whatever color it happens to be. That way,
> it can be put outdoors out of the way if you don't have room
> for it in your shop. If you have kids, it is absolutely the
> best plaything they will have around, and it will give them
> an introduction to the cockpit without any worry about breaking
> anything.
>
> Go one step further? Set that old orphaned big-screen TV in
> front of it and pop in Mike Cuy's DVD flying scenes ;o) Walmart
> sells a super-dependable little Magnavox DVD player for $29
> that will play even the most scratched DVDs. I think you could
> rig a smoke system, too...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
Rick - I bought a cheap canvas rig from aircraft spruce. Was made for dave clark
but i put my brand in (lightspeed). Not fancy, not warm, but it works. I
use ski goggles for eye protection.
There are more aesthetic options out there. Those of you who I've had the pleasure
of meeting in person know that I cannot be accused of being a slave to fashion.
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Life is good, Oscar.
:)
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
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I have tried several radiators and found that the more efficient they are the more
pump presser is required, such as the vertical tubed type requires nothing
more than a boost to thermo siphon , Water movement
in a 100 % efficient cross flow type requires a pump impeller that is at least
2 " Diameter an turns 2 times engine speed,
The leak-less type has an axial flow vane type impeller that is around one inch
Dia. on a half inch shaft. in order to double the flow and eliminate cavitation
one must extend the shaft 6.5 " and locate the vane impeller close to the pump
outlet. This type of pump has 2 sealed ball bearings with spacers between,
One setscrew is used. If two setscrews are used my test pump started to leak.
I will keep you all posted on the performance of a 10 " high cross flow as today
at 25 Degree the chill factor was a bit to much.But take-off was very surprising.
Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
Hey Kevin... how do your Lightspeeds work in the open cockpit? I've got a pair
of Zulus that I would like to use, but some have told me that ANR headsets are
crap in open environment... true or no?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Slave to fashion |
Hi Mark - They're not active noise canceling - just regular headsets.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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