---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/13/10: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:21 AM - Re: Another Piet back in the air (Charles Campbell) 2. 05:41 AM - mitsubishi engine (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 06:04 AM - looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 06:10 AM - Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... (Chris Rusch) 5. 06:16 AM - Re: mitsubishi engine (Chris Rusch) 6. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... (Jeff Boatright) 7. 06:35 AM - Re: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM) 8. 06:57 AM - Re: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) (899PM) 9. 07:56 AM - Re: Another Piet back in the air (Rick Holland) 10. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... (Rick Holland) 11. 11:32 AM - Re: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) (hvandervoo@aol.com) 12. 12:03 PM - Re: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) (Jack Phillips) 13. 03:37 PM - Built my Piet in 4 1/2 months (jeff wilson) 14. 03:45 PM - Old Technologyies meet (pineymb) 15. 04:37 PM - Re: Another Piet back in the air (Greg Cardinal) 16. 04:39 PM - Re: Another Piet back in the air (Greg Cardinal) 17. 05:13 PM - Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... (Pieti Lowell) 18. 05:15 PM - Re: Another Piet back in the air (PatrickW) 19. 05:25 PM - Re: Built my Piet in 4 1/2 months (Kenneth Bickers) 20. 06:09 PM - Re: Old Technologyies meet (Jack) 21. 06:32 PM - Soon will be building.. (Kelly Klaus) 22. 07:35 PM - Re: Soon will be building.. (Dale Johnson) 23. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... (Jeff Boatright) 24. 07:53 PM - Re: Built my Piet in 4 1/2 months (Jeff Boatright) 25. 08:23 PM - Re: Soon will be building.. (Rick Holland) 26. 09:38 PM - Re: Soon will be building (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 27. 10:01 PM - 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivational speach and or rant (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 28. 11:42 PM - Re: Soon will be building (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:11 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet back in the air Where does Bob live? It must be quite a bit south of MN or the picture was taken a while back! I don't see any snow! Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Cardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet back in the air Lowell Durham of Milaca, Mn built and flew this Pietenpol a number of years ago. It sat in a barn for 9 years until purchased earlier this year by Bob Poore. Bob got it back in flying condition as you can see in the attached picture. Will we see it a Brodhead this year Bob? Greg C. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:06 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: mitsubishi engine Congratulations Chris on completing this project, and beautiful work!! Since your plane isn't ready to fly yet, can you get a hold of a couple of props to bolt use so we can see what she can really do? I'd love to see how she'd spin up something like a 76X42 as a baseline. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:11 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) A friend of my brother's=2C British ex-pat Malcolm Dixon=2C passed away rec ently and his family is trying to locate the Fairchild 24W that he owned. Last known location was somewhere around Houston=2C TX but it could be anyw here in the States. Since there aren't very many of these airplanes around =2C we're hoping it won't be too difficult to locate. Registry shows that it probably still has its original Warner Super Scarab radial engine... aga in=2C not many of those around either. Any help or leads=2C please email me off-list. Thanks. DO NOT ARCHIVE Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio=2C TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... From: "Chris Rusch" it would need a dry sump oiling system and a return line in the valve cover.......i am not sure how good the cooling would work. I never could figure out how they kept oil out of the cylinders with inverted systems, i would think hydraulic locking would be a problem while the engine sits for awhile. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323154#323154 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: mitsubishi engine From: "Chris Rusch" Thanks Douwe! I have a brand new 76 x 42 prop from Culver just waiting to be spun, that is the next step. I need to throw the engine on the mount and wire everything thing up for good. I have all the pieces of the puzzle, just need to assemble everything. Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323158#323158 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:40 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... I always wondered about the oil accumulation issue, too. From what I've read, when DeHavilland created the Gypsy engine, they simply inverted a Cirrus, did a few mods similar to what you describe but not much else, and they were surprised it all worked so easily. Does anyone here on the list know about such? I don't have the information in front of me or I'd give a source. Surely it can't be that simple? > >it would need a dry sump oiling system and a return line in the >valve cover.......i am not sure how good the cooling would work. I >never could figure out how they kept oil out of the cylinders with >inverted systems, i would think hydraulic locking would be a problem >while the engine sits for awhile. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323154#323154 > > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:41 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) Oscar, Try http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/ The N Number will cut to the chase but it can be searched without. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) > > A friend of my brother's, British ex-pat Malcolm Dixon, passed > away recently and his family is trying to locate the Fairchild 24W > that he owned. Last known location was somewhere around Houston, > TX but it could be anywhere in the States. Since there aren't > very many of these airplanes around, we're hoping it won't be too > difficult to locate. Registry shows that it probably still has > its original Warner Super Scarab radial engine... again, not many > of those around either. > > Any help or leads, please email me off-list. Thanks. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > San Antonio, TX > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) From: "899PM" Here you go....... http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=81288 -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323168#323168 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet back in the air From: Rick Holland > Where does Bob live? It must be quite a bit south of MN or the picture > was taken a while back! I don't see any snow! > > Or collapsed roofs. do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... From: Rick Holland Wow, now that's a well equipped shop. I was going to ask for an engine hoist for Christmas but now I think I'll just ask for a new forklift. do not archive On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Chris Rusch wrote: > > > > 247, almost identical to the model A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323116#323116 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1235_172.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1236_431.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) From: hvandervoo@aol.com Oscar, A few hangars down on my street there is a hangar owned by Malcolm Dixon. Tax records and FAA records show it being the same person. Same Houston street address. Hangar at 37X. Sorry to hear he passed away. His hangar was rented for last 6 years, to a local A&P who also passed away a few months ago. But never seen a Fairchild in there, during those years. I visited this A&P weekly as I walked the Dog. Any pictures of the plane, it could have been sold and repainted of course. Hans NX15KV Waller texas -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga npol List Sent: Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:04 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) A friend of my brother's, British ex-pat Malcolm Dixon, passed away recentl y and his family is trying to locate the Fairchild 24W that he owned. Last known location was somewhere around Houston, TX but it could be anywhere i n the States. Since there aren't very many of these airplanes around, we'r e hoping it won't be too difficult to locate. Registry shows that it proba bly still has its original Warner Super Scarab radial engine... again, not many of those around either. Any help or leads, please email me off-list. Thanks. DO NOT ARCHIVE Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Don't know the N number of either of them, but one is being restored by Bob Woods in Goldsboro, NC (KGWW), the other is being restored by the EAA Chapter 646 in Roanoke, VA (KROA). Neither are close to flying. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) Oscar, A few hangars down on my street there is a hangar owned by Malcolm Dixon. Tax records and FAA records show it being the same person. Same Houston street address. Hangar at 37X. Sorry to hear he passed away. His hangar was rented for last 6 years, to a local A&P who also passed away a few months ago. But never seen a Fairchild in there, during those years. I visited this A&P weekly as I walked the Dog. Any pictures of the plane, it could have been sold and repainted of course. Hans NX15KV Waller texas -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Pietenpol List Sent: Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:04 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) A friend of my brother's, British ex-pat Malcolm Dixon, passed away recently and his family is trying to locate the Fairchild 24W that he owned. Last known location was somewhere around Houston, TX but it could be anywhere in the States. Since there aren't very many of these airplanes around, we're hoping it won't be too difficult to locate. Registry shows that it probably still has its original Warner Super Scarab radial engine... again, not many of those around either. Any help or leads, please email me off-list. Thanks. DO NOT ARCHIVE Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:15 PM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Built my Piet in 4 1/2 months ... Built to the updated Fiddlers Green plans it only took 4 and a half mon ths to build this Aircamper. The first several weeks were spent in research and then of course materials acquisition takes a lot of time. As with almo st every builder, I made a few modifications here and there, the tundra tir es are evident in the pics and of course the wooden Jenny style gear and st ruts. ---- Have not yet flown it. The prop keeps slipping on the "T" pin. - Perhaps I should try a different pitch too. Jeff Wilson Please "Do not Archive" =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old Technologyies meet From: "pineymb" Brought my completely rebuilt C85-12 engine back to the shop today to be mounted on the Piet. A morality boost to continue forward. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323229#323229 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00315_172.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00313_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:21 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet back in the air Bob is in the Minneapolis area. The picture was taken in October. After this past weekend's weather October seems like a long, long time ago... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 7:16 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet back in the air Where does Bob live? It must be quite a bit south of MN or the picture was taken a while back! I don't see any snow! Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Cardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet back in the air Lowell Durham of Milaca, Mn built and flew this Pietenpol a number of years ago. It sat in a barn for 9 years until purchased earlier this year by Bob Poore. Bob got it back in flying condition as you can see in the attached picture. Will we see it a Brodhead this year Bob? Greg C. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:30 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet back in the air Bob is in the Minneapolis area. The picture was taken in October. After this past weekend's weather October seems like a long, long time ago... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 7:16 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet back in the air Where does Bob live? It must be quite a bit south of MN or the picture was taken a while back! I don't see any snow! Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Cardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 11:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet back in the air Lowell Durham of Milaca, Mn built and flew this Pietenpol a number of years ago. It sat in a barn for 9 years until purchased earlier this year by Bob Poore. Bob got it back in flying condition as you can see in the attached picture. Will we see it a Brodhead this year Bob? Greg C. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... From: "Pieti Lowell" Inverting a Ford B is very simple, Check out the Funk Akron 200 Engine. If anyone is interested check out the Pietenpol that I flew to Oshkosh in 1988 and JoBeth Barret flew to Oshkosh in 1999. Oil is kept out of the cylinders by a 1 " high S.S. ring bolted to the cylinder opening by 2 each, 10-32 screws. After the Funk engine sat in storage for 5 years, I pulled it out and with good gas and a few blades to check for lock,It started 2Nd blade. With a little smoke it cleared very soon. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323233#323233 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Piet back in the air From: "PatrickW" He could put some ski's on it... - Pat -------- Patrick Hoyt XLb/650 Canopy/BRS/Corvair N63PZ - 99.999% done.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323234#323234 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Built my Piet in 4 1/2 months From: Kenneth Bickers Jeff, Very nice, especially for one built so quickly! The T-Pin looks cool and no doubt will work well once you have the kinks worked out. But I wonder. Would that work inverted? Or would there be a problem with vapor lock? Cheers, Ken On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:33 PM, jeff wilson wrote: > ... Built to the updated Fiddlers Green plans it only took 4 and a half > months to build this Aircamper. The first several weeks were spent in > research and then of course materials acquisition takes a lot of time. As > with almost every builder, I made a few modifications here and there, the > tundra tires are evident in the pics and of course the wooden Jenny style > gear and struts. > Have not yet flown it. The prop keeps slipping on the "T" pin. > Perhaps I should try a different pitch too. > > Jeff Wilson > > Please "Do not Archive" > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:39 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Old Technologyies meet Beautiful engine Adrian, I know the feeling! Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old Technologyies meet Brought my completely rebuilt C85-12 engine back to the shop today to be mounted on the Piet. A morality boost to continue forward. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323229#323229 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00315_172.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00313_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building.. From: "Kelly Klaus" Hey gang, I don't post anything here much, but I do get the updates from the forums. I am about 85% complete on my Corvair engine rebuild and have ordered the Fuse, plywood, and tail /rudder kits from ACS to get me started. My question is are nails and/or brads used in the construction? -------- Kelly Klaus do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323240#323240 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:58 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building.. Kelly Don't use nails or brads. Use clamps till the glue sets. > [Original Message] > From: Kelly Klaus > To: > Date: 12/13/2010 8:35:00 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building.. > > > Hey gang, > I don't post anything here much, but I do get the updates from the forums. I am about 85% complete on my Corvair engine rebuild and have ordered the Fuse, plywood, and tail /rudder kits from ACS to get me started. > > My question is are nails and/or brads used in the construction? > > -------- > Kelly Klaus > > do not archive. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323240#323240 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:50 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... Pieti, Excellent information! Thanks, Jeff > >Inverting a Ford B is very simple, Check out the Funk Akron 200 >Engine. If anyone is interested check out the Pietenpol that I flew >to Oshkosh in 1988 and JoBeth Barret flew to Oshkosh in 1999. >Oil is kept out of the cylinders by a 1 " high S.S. ring bolted to >the cylinder opening by 2 each, 10-32 screws. >After the Funk engine sat in storage for 5 years, I pulled it out >and with good gas and a few blades to check for lock,It started 2Nd >blade. With a little smoke it cleared very soon. >Pieti Lowell > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323233#323233 > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:41 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Built my Piet in 4 1/2 months Ya know, there really was a guy who built a Piet in 3 or 4 months: Earl Klebs from northeastern Oklahoma (Collinsville?). He found out late about the 70th or 75th anniversary of the Air Camper, I can't remember which. But, he got busy and built it in a season and made it up to Brodhead with it. Last I heard, he was giving it to his grandson, but that was several years ago. He was a character and he got things done. Built his own home, and it was an octagon. Said he didn't like corners. Built a real sportscar from scratch. Built several other homebuilts. Real nice guy. Earl was to Brodhead a few years ago, but I haven't heard from him since. Hope he's doing well. >... Built to the updated Fiddlers Green plans it >only took 4 and a half months to build this >Aircamper. The first several weeks were spent in >research and then of course materials >acquisition takes a lot of time. As with almost >every builder, I made a few modifications here >and there, the tundra tires are evident in the >pics and of course the wooden Jenny style gear >and struts. > Have not yet flown it. The prop keeps >slipping on the "T" pin. Perhaps I should try a >different pitch too. > >Jeff Wilson > >Please "Do not Archive" > > >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:Fiddlers Green 1.jpg (JPEG/IC) (00113DA7) >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:Fiddlers >Greeen 3.jpg (JPEG/IC) (00113DA8) -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building.. From: Rick Holland I used 1/4" staples (on the 1/16" ply gussets), much easier than hammering tiny nails. No need to remove them. rick On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Kelly Klaus wrote: > > > > Hey gang, > I don't post anything here much, but I do get the updates from the forums. > I am about 85% complete on my Corvair engine rebuild and have ordered the > Fuse, plywood, and tail /rudder kits from ACS to get me started. > > My question is are nails and/or brads used in the construction? > > -------- > Kelly Klaus > > do not archive. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323240#323240 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:34 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building Not being the purest as many I guess I suppose you can considered I cheated, however in terms of my own self satisfaction I used West System epoxy, close fitting joints and clamps along with brads and staples shot from a pneumatic gun. I wanted to be well assured that the pins would help my clamps and joints stay tight and strong. Not that I would be critical of others using just clamps and epoxy, or rubber bands with flour and water paste, its just me and who I am. As with your construction those are decisions we all make out of comfort, reliability, experience or paranoia, same as the ones you will be making also. Its not a bad idea to ask for advice and when confusion sets in from opinions you receive, well than you can always consult Tony and see what he's written about the subject then choose the answer you want or like best. In the final analysis we all select the answer we like the best. Its just human nature! John In a message dated 12/13/2010 9:32:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kklaus1@austin.rr.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kelly Klaus" Hey gang, I don't post anything here much, but I do get the updates from the forums. I am about 85% complete on my Corvair engine rebuild and have ordered the Fuse, plywood, and tail /rudder kits from ACS to get me started. My question is are nails and/or brads used in the construction? -------- Kelly Klaus do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323240#323240 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:50 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivational speach and or rant For all the builders, would be builders, over thinkers and tinkers. Its time to get out the prints, get out the tools get out the saw the epoxy the mixing cups and start making saw dust. This is the official opening of Buildapalooza 2010. Make sure you got plenty of Band-Aids, steri-strips, butterfly's, peroxide and antiseptic cream, there is no time for doctor visits its self administered sutures for self inflicted injuries. a little blood make the piet fly better and cements the blood bond between the builder and the built. So now its time to get off the duff, couch and or other reclining chair and lets get building, Brodhead will be here soon and without suitable transportation, an airplane, in an inferior model that will suit our purpose, its a long walk from anywhere. So lets get building! there is little time to build and no time to waste as the grass underground is just waiting to spring up and shut down the build season quickly. So lets get hoppin do some wood and material shoppin and start buildin, carvin, gluin, screwin, wrenchin, bendin, sandin ,paintin, riggin, weldin, beatin, poundin, fittin and stitchin. Spring and the yard are just around the corner waiting to pounce and strangle the life out of Buildapalooza. I have yet to see a donkey build an airplane so get off your ass and get workin! Lets build great airplanes John Do no archive. less ya wanna ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:26 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building Have you made test joints and then broken them in various ways especialy in shear? I did. You should too if you haven't already. It IS recomended procedure. AND rather educational too! Also what does both West and System Three (T-88) have to say about bonding wood? http://www.systemthree.com/reslibrary/tds/T-88_TDS.pdf Third line, column two, under "product application". Now, West might be different as it is reportedly thinner but most likely not much. Clif "What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know, it's what we know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain I used West System epoxy, close fitting joints and clamps along with brads and staples shot from a pneumatic gun. I wanted to be well assured that the pins would help my clamps and joints stay tight and strong. Its not a bad idea to ask for advice and when confusion sets in from opinions you receive, well than you can always consult Tony and see what he's written about the subject then choose the answer you want or like best. In the final analysis we all select the answer we like the best. Its just human nature! 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