---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/15/10: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:24 AM - doc's email and plastic resin glue (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 06:00 AM - Re: doc's email and plastic resin glue (Don Emch) 3. 06:26 AM - Re: doc's email and plastic resin glue (Charles Campbell) 4. 07:15 AM - Re: doc's email and plastic resin glue (Gene Rambo) 5. 07:15 AM - Re: doc's email and plastic resin glue (Gene & Tammy) 6. 07:37 AM - progress (bender) 7. 07:46 AM - Re: Weldwood adhesives (Michael Silvius) 8. 07:51 AM - Re: Sky Scout pix (Dick N) 9. 07:56 AM - Re: progress (Charles Campbell) 10. 08:01 AM - Re: Soon will be building.. (Charles Campbell) 11. 08:20 AM - Re: progress (Gboothe5) 12. 08:47 AM - Re: progress (Jack Phillips) 13. 09:17 AM - Re: progress (bender) 14. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: progress (shad bell) 15. 10:35 AM - looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) (Oscar Zuniga) 16. 10:38 AM - Piet List Directory (Jack) 17. 10:51 AM - Re: progress (helspersew@aol.com) 18. 11:32 AM - TIG inverter welder? (Ken Chambers) 19. 11:33 AM - Re: progress (bender) 20. 11:49 AM - Re: Piet List Directory (Barry Davis) 21. 11:49 AM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Rick Holland) 22. 01:41 PM - Re: Piet List Directory (Jeff Boatright) 23. 01:47 PM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Charles Campbell) 24. 01:58 PM - Re: progress (Jack Phillips) 25. 02:23 PM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Ken Chambers) 26. 02:48 PM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Ryan M) 27. 03:00 PM - TIG....no no no (jeff wilson) 28. 03:08 PM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Jim Markle) 29. 03:23 PM - Re: TIG....no no no (Ken Chambers) 30. 03:33 PM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Ryan M) 31. 03:33 PM - Re: TIG....no no no (Gboothe5) 32. 03:44 PM - Re: TIG....no no no (Ryan M) 33. 04:15 PM - Re: progress (Pieti Lowell) 34. 04:29 PM - Re: doc's email and plastic resin glue (Pieti Lowell) 35. 05:44 PM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (John Franklin) 36. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: Piet List Directory (Jack) 37. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Re: Piet List Directory (Jack) 38. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: progress (Clif Dawson) 39. 08:53 PM - Re: progress (AlRice) 40. 09:10 PM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (AlRice) 41. 10:09 PM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (AMsafetyC@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:02 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue First off, does anyone have a good email for Doc Mosher? Been emailing him and haven't heard back. Secondly, regarding plastic resin glue, produced by "weldwood" or others. Resourcinol is not what is commonly referred to as "plastic resin" glue. Resourcinol is the two part, dark red glue that is a fabulous product and FAA approved for wood. "Plastic resin" glue is/was produced by many companies, one of them "Weldwood" and was a powder that one mixed with water, and it was a milky color I think. As correctly mentioned earlier, hit is officially considered "obsolete" and it's use is discouraged due to the reasons mentioned. These reasons didn't come out of thin air, but from painful experience over time. Yes, some have had luck with it, but others have not. The stuff has been banned in Australia for airplane use for the same reasons. Also as mentioned earlier, I am finishing up a rebuild of the parts that were build using plastic resin glue because of glue joint failures, and these were done in the early nineties. None of this makes me an expert, but I have understandably done a little research into the issue. One thing I can say is that nobody agrees exactly what the problem was with the joints in my project. The builder who started it used the plastic resin (I used T-88 on everything I built) and his woodworking skills were beyond question, however some of the glue joints were bad. Whether this was because of improper mixing, mixing in the wrong temperature, heat the moisture degrading the joint or what, nobody who inspected my plane can agree. But really. WHO CARES!!! WHY USE IT??!! My $.02 worth on this subject (for what it's worth) is why on earth not just use one of the great adhesives available that are not in contention? If there are so many doubts, and even bans on a product, and there are other proven options, why even risk the possibility that you'll have a plane full of bad joints like mine was?? Sorry if I ranted. Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: doc's email and plastic resin glue From: "Don Emch" Couldn't agree more Douwe. I've never had any problems with T-88. The West system is good stuff too. Sometimes the turbulence gets a little rough and I'm glad I made sample glue joints and tested them and feel confident in them. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323416#323416 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:59 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue I quote from Aircraft Spruce catologue -- "Weldwood Plastic Resin glue is water-resistant and is FAA approved for use in certified aircraft and has been used for many years in a wide range of aircraft applications. Conforms to Federal Spec. MMM-A-188b, Type ll...It is unaffected by gasoline and solvents....Excellent for use on wood structures." If my airplane falls apart in midair, I will call Aircraft Spruce and tell them they don't know what they are talking about. ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue First off, does anyone have a good email for Doc Mosher? Been emailing him and haven't heard back. Secondly, regarding plastic resin glue, produced by "weldwood" or others. Resourcinol is not what is commonly referred to as "plastic resin" glue. Resourcinol is the two part, dark red glue that is a fabulous product and FAA approved for wood. "Plastic resin" glue is/was produced by many companies, one of them "Weldwood" and was a powder that one mixed with water, and it was a milky color I think. As correctly mentioned earlier, hit is officially considered "obsolete" and it's use is discouraged due to the reasons mentioned. These reasons didn't come out of thin air, but from painful experience over time. Yes, some have had luck with it, but others have not. The stuff has been banned in Australia for airplane use for the same reasons. Also as mentioned earlier, I am finishing up a rebuild of the parts that were build using plastic resin glue because of glue joint failures, and these were done in the early nineties. None of this makes me an expert, but I have understandably done a little research into the issue. One thing I can say is that nobody agrees exactly what the problem was with the joints in my project. The builder who started it used the plastic resin (I used T-88 on everything I built) and his woodworking skills were beyond question, however some of the glue joints were bad. Whether this was because of improper mixing, mixing in the wrong temperature, heat the moisture degrading the joint or what, nobody who inspected my plane can agree. But really. WHO CARES!!! WHY USE IT??!! My $.02 worth on this subject (for what it's worth) is why on earth not just use one of the great adhesives available that are not in contention? If there are so many doubts, and even bans on a product, and there are other proven options, why even risk the possibility that you'll have a plane full of bad joints like mine was?? Sorry if I ranted. Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:28 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue Well=2C because if it is mixed and used properly=2C the plastic resin glue is perfectly fine and has worked well for 100 years. I have never had any problems with it. To each his own . . . Gene From: douweblumberg@earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue First off=2C does anyone have a good email for Doc Mosher? Been emailing h im and haven=92t heard back. Secondly=2C regarding plastic resin glue=2C produced by =93weldwood=94 or o thers. Resourcinol is not what is commonly referred to as =93plastic resin =94 glue. Resourcinol is the two part=2C dark red glue that is a fabulous product and FAA approved for wood. =93Plastic resin=94 glue is/was produce d by many companies=2C one of them =93Weldwood=94 and was a powder that one mixed with water=2C and it was a milky color I think. As correctly mentioned earlier=2C hit is officially considered =93obsolete =94 and it=92s use is discouraged due to the reasons mentioned. These reas ons didn=92t come out of thin air=2C but from painful experience over time. Yes=2C some have had luck with it=2C but others have not. The stuff has been banned in Australia for airplane use for the same reasons. Also as mentioned earlier=2C I am finishing up a rebuild of the parts that were build using plastic resin glue because of glue joint failures=2C and t hese were done in the early nineties. None of this makes me an expert=2C b ut I have understandably done a little research into the issue. One thing I can say is that nobody agrees exactly what the problem was with the joint s in my project. The builder who started it used the plastic resin (I used T-88 on everything I built) and his woodworking skills were beyond questio n=2C however some of the glue joints were bad. Whether this was because of improper mixing=2C mixing in the wrong temperature=2C heat the moisture de grading the joint or what=2C nobody who inspected my plane can agree. But really=85 WHO CARES!!! WHY USE IT??!! My $.02 worth on this subject (for what it=92s worth) is why on earth not j ust use one of the great adhesives available that are not in contention? I f there are so many doubts=2C and even bans on a product=2C and there are o ther proven options=2C why even risk the possibility that you=92ll have a p lane full of bad joints like mine was?? Sorry if I ranted=85 Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:35 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue Douwe, Just wanted to let you know (for whatever it's worth to you) that I'm really proud of you for "hitching up you pants" and going forward with your rebuild. I know it wasn't easy to start again, but it's amazing what mountain you can climb when you've got the balls to keep going. Gene In beautiful Tennessee Past caretaker of N502R From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: doc's email and plastic resin glue First off, does anyone have a good email for Doc Mosher? Been emailing him and haven't heard back. Secondly, regarding plastic resin glue, produced by "weldwood" or others. Resourcinol is not what is commonly referred to as "plastic resin" glue. Resourcinol is the two part, dark red glue that is a fabulous product and FAA approved for wood. "Plastic resin" glue is/was produced by many companies, one of them "Weldwood" and was a powder that one mixed with water, and it was a milky color I think. As correctly mentioned earlier, hit is officially considered "obsolete" and it's use is discouraged due to the reasons mentioned. These reasons didn't come out of thin air, but from painful experience over time. Yes, some have had luck with it, but others have not. The stuff has been banned in Australia for airplane use for the same reasons. Also as mentioned earlier, I am finishing up a rebuild of the parts that were build using plastic resin glue because of glue joint failures, and these were done in the early nineties. None of this makes me an expert, but I have understandably done a little research into the issue. One thing I can say is that nobody agrees exactly what the problem was with the joints in my project. The builder who started it used the plastic resin (I used T-88 on everything I built) and his woodworking skills were beyond question, however some of the glue joints were bad. Whether this was because of improper mixing, mixing in the wrong temperature, heat the moisture degrading the joint or what, nobody who inspected my plane can agree. But really. WHO CARES!!! WHY USE IT??!! My $.02 worth on this subject (for what it's worth) is why on earth not just use one of the great adhesives available that are not in contention? If there are so many doubts, and even bans on a product, and there are other proven options, why even risk the possibility that you'll have a plane full of bad joints like mine was?? Sorry if I ranted. Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: progress From: "bender" So i'm one and a half months in....i sure hope i can keep the pace I need metal so i can start on the brackets for the gear legs..but i'm excited to be able to sit in it and make engine noises my wife jumped in the front seat and says it's way more room than she expected Hey Dan.... i loved you seat so much i made my own.. jeff ribs done wheels on order engine stripped ready to ship out [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323428#323428 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dash_188.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet1_508.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet4_469.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet5_239.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:54 AM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weldwood adhesives FWIW a clarification.... Weldwood is a product line name of DAP.. yes the same folks that make the window glazing and bathroom caulking found at Home Depot. The Weldwood product line represents a line of adhesives mainly for the retail market. http://www.dap.com/product_categories.aspx Among others, the ones having aviation applications are / were. Weldwood Plastic Resin: (banned by the Australians) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/wppages/weldwood.php Weldwood Resorcinol http://www.dap.com/product_details.aspx?product_id=43 DAP HAS CEASED PRODUCTION OF WELDWOOD RESORCINOL something about VOCs and saving the planet..... Cascophen is the last available source of resorcinol glue in the US http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/wppages/cascophen.php Michael in Maine ----- Original Message ----- > > Kip you are confusing Weldwood Resorcinol, which is the only glue approved > by the FAA for repairing aircraft woodwork, and weldwood's plastic resin > glue, which as described below, simply does not hold up to years of > operation in humidity. Weldwood is a brand name, and they are the only > company I know of that still makes Resorcinol glue. Personally, I like > resorcinol. I used it on my Pietenpol and would do so again if I built > another one. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > Raleigh, NC ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:02 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout pix Oscar Thanks for the pics of the Sky Scout. I am also building one. Ray, we will have to chat in the future about this one. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Krause" Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout pix > > > Oscar, > > Thanks for the pictures of the Sky Scout. Since I am building one, very > slowly, I am quite interested in pictures and all the info available. If > you, or anyone else, has additional information; I would really appreciate > it. > > Thanks and fly SAFELY, > > Ray Krause > > Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle > modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder, > Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 231 hrs. Also building Sky > Scout. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "taildrags" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:22 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout pix > > >> >> I've finally gotten around to downloading the pictures that I took at Old >> Kingsbury. Here are the ones of their Sky Scout, which does not look to >> be airworthy to me. >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> San Antonio, TX >> Air Camper NX41CC >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323364#323364 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010012_214.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010011_226.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010006_203.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:57 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: progress Pictures, pictures, pictures -- we (members who are in the building process) need all the pics we can get. If you don't have one, buy one of the cheapest digital cameras you can find and take lots and lots of pictures. Don't forget to attach them to E-mails. My Pietenpol folder is not nearly full. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "bender" Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: progress > > > So i'm one and a half months in....i sure hope i can keep the pace > I need metal so i can start on the brackets for the gear legs..but i'm > excited to be able to sit in it and make engine noises > my wife jumped in the front seat and says it's way more room than she > expected > Hey Dan.... i loved you seat so much i made my own.. > > > jeff > > ribs done > wheels on order > engine stripped ready to ship out [Wink] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323428#323428 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dash_188.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet1_508.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet4_469.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet5_239.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:22 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building.. Those "wedgie things" are called cams by Michael and me. But "wedgie things" will do. At least I knew what you were talking about. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building.. > > Hi Charles, > > Very nice looking rib jig. I like the off-center round wedgie things to > hold the pieces. I should have done that myself. Oh well, next time. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Campbell > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 7:57 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building.. > > > Just thought I would show a picture that kind of represents what I was > talking about the nails. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building.. > > >> >> Hi Kelly, >> >> Aircraft nails should be used. These are coated to prevent corrosion. >> Available at Aircraft Spruce and Specialty. >> >> Dan Helsper >> Poplar Grove, IL. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kelly Klaus >> To: pietenpol-list >> Sent: Mon, Dec 13, 2010 8:32 pm >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Soon will be building.. >> >> >> >> >> Hey gang, >> I don't post anything here much, but I do get the updates from the > forums. >> I am >> about 85% complete on my Corvair engine rebuild and have ordered the > Fuse, >> plywood, and tail /rudder kits from ACS to get me started. >> >> My question is are nails and/or brads used in the construction? >> >> -------- >> Kelly Klaus >> >> do not archive. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323240#323240 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:09 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: progress Chuck, Check the bottom of his email. He had 3 good pics, including one of an attractive lady, proving, once again, that Piets are chick magnets. Gary Boothe Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: progress Pictures, pictures, pictures -- we (members who are in the building process) need all the pics we can get. If you don't have one, buy one of the cheapest digital cameras you can find and take lots and lots of pictures. Don't forget to attach them to E-mails. My Pietenpol folder is not nearly full. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "bender" Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: progress > > > So i'm one and a half months in....i sure hope i can keep the pace > I need metal so i can start on the brackets for the gear legs..but i'm > excited to be able to sit in it and make engine noises > my wife jumped in the front seat and says it's way more room than she > expected > Hey Dan.... i loved you seat so much i made my own.. > > > jeff > > ribs done > wheels on order > engine stripped ready to ship out [Wink] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323428#323428 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dash_188.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet1_508.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet4_469.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet5_239.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:41 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: progress Charles, if you noticed, Jeff DID include pictures as attachments in the bottom of the email. And the last one has a beautiful young lady sitting in the front seat. By the way, nice looking work, Jeff. And I'm impressed that anyone who builds Pietenpols could attract such a nice young lady. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: progress Pictures, pictures, pictures -- we (members who are in the building process) need all the pics we can get. If you don't have one, buy one of the cheapest digital cameras you can find and take lots and lots of pictures. Don't forget to attach them to E-mails. My Pietenpol folder is not nearly full. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "bender" Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: progress > > > So i'm one and a half months in....i sure hope i can keep the pace > I need metal so i can start on the brackets for the gear legs..but i'm > excited to be able to sit in it and make engine noises > my wife jumped in the front seat and says it's way more room than she > expected > Hey Dan.... i loved you seat so much i made my own.. > > > jeff > > ribs done > wheels on order > engine stripped ready to ship out [Wink] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323428#323428 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dash_188.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet1_508.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet4_469.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet5_239.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress From: "bender" i'm sure she'll appreciate the compliments... that's my wife of almost 15 years.. she's 5' 10 and i was a bit worried about her fitting so i've been kinda warning her about it being small...i'm actually building with the F&G manual.... she says she feels like is has more room than my 120 did because we're not shoulder to shoulder.. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323442#323442 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet6_205.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:51 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress Jeff, looks nice!, Are you an A&P?- Jusk asking because I noticed the Lec tro Tug, and Citation in the background, and that looks like one nice hango r to build a Piet in. - Shad in snow'n, blow'n Ohio --- On Wed, 12/15/10, bender wrote: From: bender Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress > i'm sure she'll appreciate the compliments... that's my wife of almost 15 y ears.. she's 5' 10 and i was a bit worried about her fitting so i've been k inda warning her about it being small...i'm actually building with the F&G manual.... she says she feels like is has more room than my 120 did because we're not shoulder to shoulder.. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323442#323442 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet6_205.jpg le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:34 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) Thanks to all who responded=2C especially Hans in Waller=2C TX... where Mal colm owns a hangar (or his estate does). Now on to the next bit of the trail: the Fairchild may be=2C or have been =2C in Lakeland Florida. It is very obviously no longer in Malcolm's hanga r in Waller=2C Texas. If anyone in the Lakeland area knows of a Fairchild or someone who is into old airplanes who might be aware of it=2C I'd apprec iate any help... off-list=2C please. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio=2C TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:28 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Jeff, I noticed you are not listed in our directory, if you (or anyone else) would like to submit your info please complete the attached Excel file and return to me. I will then send you the updated list which has 74 listings. BTW nice progress, hangar and passenger! Thanks, Jack Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: progress From: helspersew@aol.com Jeff, Very nice looking seat indeed! And the instrument panel inlay I like too! I am impressed by your speed of construction. Brodhead 2011? :O) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: progress So i'm one and a half months in....i sure hope i can keep the pace I need metal so i can start on the brackets for the gear legs..but i'm excited to be able to sit in it and make engine noises my wife jumped in the front seat and says it's way more room than she expected Hey Dan.... i loved you seat so much i made my own.. jeff ribs done wheels on order engine stripped ready to ship out [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323428#323428 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dash_188.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet1_508.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet4_469.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet5_239.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? From: Ken Chambers Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews on Amazon. And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. Amazingly cheap too. Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder Ken, who's got to start welding soon. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress From: "bender" Why yes i am Shad...i've been in the corporate aviation world since 88.. citations, hawkers, lear and challengers most of my career .... i work on little planes for friends..annuals and such, but only for a few that i know and trust... thanks for the inspiration on the seat Dan.. i dig it.. and Cliff on the dash shape.. i'm not sure i would have thought of the little curve on the bottom of the panel.. but it really fits the time period i think jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323455#323455 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:07 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Jack Is this list on the web somewhere? I was wondering if all the Big Piet guys submitted their info Barry _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Jeff, I noticed you are not listed in our directory, if you (or anyone else) would like to submit your info please complete the attached Excel file and return to me. I will then send you the updated list which has 74 listings. BTW nice progress, hangar and passenger! Thanks, Jack <<...>> Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? From: Rick Holland Wow, $120 for a TIG Inverter? Hard to believe. 85 Amps is enough for all the welds on a Piet. Either its a heck of a deal or a sick joke. rick On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > > > Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews > on Amazon. > > And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. > > Amazingly cheap too. > > > Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder > > > Ken, who's got to start welding soon. > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:51 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Here you go! -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:12 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? I need to start. Where can I find info on the welder mentioned? chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Chambers To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews on Amazon. And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. Amazingly cheap too. Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder Ken, who's got to start welding soon. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:15 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: progress I don't care if Jeff comes to Brodhead, but I've like to see his wife there. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC For Heaven's sake, do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: progress Jeff, Very nice looking seat indeed! And the instrument panel inlay I like too! I am impressed by your speed of construction. Brodhead 2011? :O) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Wed, Dec 15, 2010 9:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: progress So i'm one and a half months in....i sure hope i can keep the pace I need metal so i can start on the brackets for the gear legs..but i'm excited to be able to sit in it and make engine noises my wife jumped in the front seat and says it's way more room than she expected Hey Dan.... i loved you seat so much i made my own.. jeff ribs done wheels on order engine stripped ready to ship out [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323428#323428 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dash_188.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet1_508.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet4_469.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet5_239.jpg ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? From: Ken Chambers Go to amazon and search for tig welders. It's a start. Question for experienced welders: Is TIG harder to learn than MIG? I hear it takes a lot more precision. On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > > > Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews > on Amazon. > > And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. > > Amazingly cheap too. > > > Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder > > > Ken, who's got to start welding soon. > > * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:08 PM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? Looks like they want another $224 for the torch. ________________________________ From: Rick Holland Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 2:42:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? Wow, $120 for a TIG Inverter? Hard to believe. 85 Amps is enough for all the welds on a Piet. Either its a heck of a deal or a sick joke. rick On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > > >Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews on >Amazon. > > >And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. > > >Amazingly cheap too. > > >Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder > >Ken, who's got to start welding soon. > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " >target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >tp://forums.matronics.com > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:26 PM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: Pietenpol-List: TIG....no no no No. Go gas. You will be able to do everything except under water welding. A nd I don't take you for a submariner. Do Not Archive. --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Charles Campbell wrote: From: Charles Campbell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? =0A=0A =0A =0A=0AI need to start.- Where can I find info on the =0Awelder mentioned? chuck=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: =0A Ken =0A Chambers =0A To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A =0A Sent: Wednesd ay, December 15, 2010 2:27 =0A PM=0A Subject: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverte r =0A welder?=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great =0A reviews on Amazon.-=0A =0A And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses.=0A =0A Amazingly cheap too.-=0A =0A =0A =0A Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter =0A Welder Ken, who's got to start =0A welding soon.- href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:12 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? I don't think it's any harder. A slightly different feel but the process is the same...make a puddle and chase it around. Practice is the great equalizer. I would just go to google videos and search for TIG and there are a LOT of great videos that will help a lot. Let's be real clear that I'm not answering this as an "experienced welder"....but I think you'll be surprised at how easy it really is. If you've done any gas welding or MIG welding, you'll do fine with TIG. jm -----Original Message----- From: Ken Chambers Sent: Dec 15, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? Go to amazon and search for tig welders. It's a start. Question for experienced welders: Is TIG harder to learn than MIG? I hear it takes a lot more precision. On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews on Amazon. And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. Amazingly cheap too. Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder Ken, who's got to start welding soon. _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG....no no no From: Ken Chambers Not following you Jeff. You're saying you don't need gas, that the arc welding would be fine? Or don't use gas at all? On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:24 PM, jeff wilson wrote: > No. Go gas. You will be able to do everything except under water welding. > And I don't take you for a submariner. > > Do Not Archive. > > --- On *Wed, 12/15/10, Charles Campbell *wrote: > > > From: Charles Campbell > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 3:44 PM > > I need to start. Where can I find info on the welder mentioned? chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ken Chambers > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:27 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? > > > Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews > on Amazon. > > And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. > > Amazingly cheap too. > > > Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder > > > Ken, who's got to start welding soon. > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > http://www.matronics.com/cot="_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">htt --> * > > > * > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:56 PM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? you'll also have to find a regulator and bottle of argon. ________________________________ From: Ryan M Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 5:28:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? Looks like they want another $224 for the torch. ________________________________ From: Rick Holland Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 2:42:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? Wow, $120 for a TIG Inverter? Hard to believe. 85 Amps is enough for all the welds on a Piet. Either its a heck of a deal or a sick joke. rick On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > > >Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews on >Amazon. > > >And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. > > >Amazingly cheap too. > > >Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder > >Ken, who's got to start welding soon. > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " >target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >tp://forums.matronics.com > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:56 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: TIG....no no no He said, ".go gas." Gary Boothe Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG....no no no Not following you Jeff. You're saying you don't need gas, that the arc welding would be fine? Or don't use gas at all? On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:24 PM, jeff wilson wrote: No. Go gas. You will be able to do everything except under water welding. And I don't take you for a submariner. Do Not Archive. --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Charles Campbell wrote: From: Charles Campbell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? I need to start. Where can I find info on the welder mentioned? chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Chambers Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews on Amazon. And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. Amazingly cheap too. Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder Ken, who's got to start welding soon. href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/cot="_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">htt --> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:13 PM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG....no no no I think what he's saying is go with oxy-acetlyne. I had oxy acetelyne but really like Tig. I had to do some horse trading to get the one I got for a decent price. I started off with one like you're talking about but did not like the "scratch" start. I was trying to use it on thin walled steel tubing and could not turn it down low enough, it would just blow right thru, but there may have been something wrong with that machine. Get one with a "high frequency" start, you'll thank me for it. I would recommend the Miller Diversion if you can afford it (I couldn't) they look like great machines. ________________________________ From: Ken Chambers Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 6:19:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG....no no no Not following you Jeff. You're saying you don't need gas, that the arc welding would be fine? Or don't use gas at all? On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:24 PM, jeff wilson wrote: No. Go gas. You will be able to do everything except under water welding. And I don't take you for a submariner. > >Do Not Archive. > >--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Charles Campbell wrote: > > >>From: Charles Campbell >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 3:44 PM >> >> >>I need to start. Where can I find info on the welder mentioned? chuck >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Ken Chambers >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:27 PM >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews on >>>Amazon. >>> >>> >>>And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. >>> >>> >>>Amazingly cheap too. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder >>> >>>Ken, who's got to start welding soon. >>> >>> >>>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com >>> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com >>>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com >>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>t >>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> > >http://www.matronics.com/cot="_blank" >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">htt --> > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " >target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >tp://forums.matronics.com > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress From: "Pieti Lowell" Jeff ! Please ask your wife if she would like a ride in my old style Ford driven Pietenpol, I give rides, even when I help getting the riders in. You must teach her step up more to clear the cockpit edge. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323491#323491 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: doc's email and plastic resin glue From: "Pieti Lowell" Douwe , You have much more than your $ .02 , we can tell by how you have expounded on a tough problem with a truly excellent solution. and that is my $ .02 worth. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323492#323492 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:03 PM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? Ken, Weekend before last I took the EAA gas welding class here in Houston, so obviously I'm a novice, but I can repeat some of the instructor's comments about TIG and oxyacetylene; 1. Oxyacetylene is a dying art, only used by individuals. The commercial world has already gone to TIG. It is getting more and more difficult to buy welding tips, rods, etc. 2. A decent TIG rig will cost about $2K. He only recommended Lincoln or Miller. I think he said Hobart is made by Miller but I'm not sure. 3. If you can weld oxyacetylene, you can weld with TIG. I'm also fairly certain that William Wynne recommends that first-timers use oxyacetylene on their homebuilts. If you would like the EAA welding instructor's email address, I'm sure he wouldn't mind answering any questions you might have. Contact me offline and I'll get you his email address. Best regards, John F. -----Original Message----- >From: Ken Chambers >Sent: Dec 15, 2010 1:27 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? > >Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews >on Amazon. > >And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses. > >Amazingly cheap too. > > >Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder > > >Ken, who's got to start welding soon. ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:22 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Barry, It's not public, just available to those who submit info. Attached is the latest copy, thanks. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Jack Is this list on the web somewhere? I was wondering if all the Big Piet guys submitted their info Barry _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Jeff, I noticed you are not listed in our directory, if you (or anyone else) would like to submit your info please complete the attached Excel file and return to me. I will then send you the updated list which has 74 listings. BTW nice progress, hangar and passenger! Thanks, Jack <<...>> Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:34 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Sorry group thought I was replying to Barry directly.will see if Matt can pull the list from the archives. Jack The email wizard. Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Barry, It's not public, just available to those who submit info. Attached is the latest copy, thanks. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Jack Is this list on the web somewhere? I was wondering if all the Big Piet guys submitted their info Barry _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Jeff, I noticed you are not listed in our directory, if you (or anyone else) would like to submit your info please complete the attached Excel file and return to me. I will then send you the updated list which has 74 listings. BTW nice progress, hangar and passenger! Thanks, Jack <<...>> Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com www.buildersbooks.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:59 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress Steam-Punk. Just like the rest of the plane. :-) Clif > and Cliff on the dash shape.. i'm not sure i would have thought of the > little curve on the bottom of the panel.. but it really fits the time > period i think > > jeff ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress From: "AlRice" Great looking fuse. Really, I was only looking at the fuse. Can you tell me where you got the cane seat bottom? Thanks, -------- Al Rice Skybolt 260 RV-9A Helping with my grandson's Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323505#323505 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: TIG inverter welder? From: "AlRice" I welded my entire Skybolt using TIG. But I also needed my O/A rig for heating some things up. TIG's the only way to go to get the best quality welds and the least amount of warpage due to its very small heat affected zone (HAZ). With a little bit of practice, your welds will look like a neat stack of dimes. Very strong and pretty! -------- Al Rice Skybolt 260 RV-9A Helping with my grandson's Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323506#323506 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fusetackedfront_107.jpg ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:06 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder? The unit is a DC only unit which means you cannot TIG weld aluminum which requires AC current to do. Additionally there is no foot pedal to control the Amperage (heat) and you will more then likely have to scratch to start the arc which eventually contaminates the tungsten. By the time you add the torch, argon gauge and regulator you will still not be able to do much more than advertised. The big come on is they are TIG units, however you never get the full measure or range of usage out of it. If you decide to go that way I may be selling one of my hi freq arc initiator boxes which will get you away from scratch starting but will not give you foot control and or aluminum capabilities. This really depends on what you're looking for as far as a TIG rig John In a message dated 12/15/2010 4:08:32 P.M. 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