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1. 02:11 AM - Re: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM)
2. 02:15 AM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Charles Campbell)
3. 04:13 AM - Please report in (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:50 AM - Re: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) (Jerry Dotson)
5. 05:01 AM - Cowl (pineymb)
6. 05:43 AM - Re: Cowl (Jeff Boatright)
7. 05:55 AM - Re: Please report in (airlion)
8. 06:08 AM - Re: Please report in (Pieti Lowell)
9. 06:24 AM - Re: progress (bender)
10. 06:26 AM - Re: Please report in (bender)
11. 06:52 AM - Re: Please report in (TOM STINEMETZE)
12. 06:53 AM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Michael Perez)
13. 06:57 AM - Re: Please report in (jeff wilson)
14. 07:00 AM - Re: Please report in (Michael Perez)
15. 07:03 AM - Covering question (Jim Birke)
16. 07:37 AM - welding (Douwe Blumberg)
17. 07:39 AM - Re: Covering question (Jack Phillips)
18. 07:43 AM - Re: Please report in (Charles Campbell)
19. 07:44 AM - welding (Douwe Blumberg)
20. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: Please report in (Charles Campbell)
21. 07:54 AM - Re: progress (AlRice)
22. 07:55 AM - Re: Please report in (Charles Campbell)
23. 07:56 AM - Re: Covering question (Jeff Boatright)
24. 07:56 AM - Re: Please report in (Charles Campbell)
25. 07:57 AM - Re: Please report in (Jeff Boatright)
26. 07:59 AM - Re: Covering question (Charles Campbell)
27. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: Please report in (TOM STINEMETZE)
28. 08:13 AM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Charles Campbell)
29. 09:04 AM - Re: A-65 & O-200 (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
30. 09:08 AM - Re: welding (Ken Chambers)
31. 09:24 AM - Re: TIG....no no no (Rick Holland)
32. 09:25 AM - test msg (dnboyd1@comcast.net)
33. 09:31 AM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Ken Chambers)
34. 09:34 AM - Re: TIG inverter welder? (Michael Perez)
35. 09:44 AM - Re: test msg (Bill Church)
36. 09:47 AM - Re: test msg (airlion)
37. 09:51 AM - Re: welding (Rick Holland)
38. 09:53 AM - Re: TIG inverter welder=?UTF-8?B?Pw==? (AmsafetyC@aol.com)
39. 10:53 AM - Re: Covering question (AlRice)
40. 12:00 PM - Re: Covering question (Ben Charvet)
41. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: progress (Mike Tunnicliffe)
42. 01:40 PM - Re: TIG....no no no (Charles Campbell)
43. 02:14 PM - Re: Please report in (gliderx5@comcast.net)
44. 03:00 PM - Re: TIG....no no no (hvandervoo@aol.com)
45. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: progress (Charles Campbell)
46. 03:12 PM - Re: Covering question (Charles Campbell)
47. 05:42 PM - Re: Please report in (Dangerous Dave)
48. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Please report in (Rick Holland)
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Subject: | Re: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) |
How about the owners group?
http://www.fairchildclub.org/
Blue Skies,
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic)
>
> Thanks to all who responded, especially Hans in Waller, TX...
> where Malcolm owns a hangar (or his estate does).
>
> Now on to the next bit of the trail: the Fairchild may be, or have
> been, in Lakeland Florida. It is very obviously no longer in
> Malcolm's hangar in Waller, Texas. If anyone in the Lakeland area
> knows of a Fairchild or someone who is into old airplanes who
> might be aware of it, I'd appreciate any help... off-list, please.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: TIG inverter welder? |
For what little welding I would have to do on my Piet I don't think I want
to spend $2K on a welder. But thanks for the information. I have a good
friend who lives about 30 miles away who is an AI who says he can teach me
to weld with oxyaccel in a day -- maybe 2. I'm sure I'll go that route.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Franklin" <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder?
>
> Ken,
>
> Weekend before last I took the EAA gas welding class here in Houston, so
> obviously I'm a novice, but I can repeat some of the instructor's comments
> about TIG and oxyacetylene;
> 1. Oxyacetylene is a dying art, only used by individuals. The commercial
> world has already gone to TIG. It is getting more and more difficult to
> buy welding tips, rods, etc.
> 2. A decent TIG rig will cost about $2K. He only recommended Lincoln or
> Miller. I think he said Hobart is made by Miller but I'm not sure.
> 3. If you can weld oxyacetylene, you can weld with TIG.
>
> I'm also fairly certain that William Wynne recommends that first-timers
> use oxyacetylene on their homebuilts. If you would like the EAA welding
> instructor's email address, I'm sure he wouldn't mind answering any
> questions you might have. Contact me offline and I'll get you his email
> address.
>
> Best regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Dec 15, 2010 1:27 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder?
>>
>>Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews
>>on Amazon.
>>
>>And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses.
>>
>>Amazingly cheap too.
>>
>>
>>Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder
>>
>>
>>Ken, who's got to start welding soon.
>
>
> ________________________________________
>
>
>
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Subject: | Please report in |
Are there any new Piets on track for first arrival at Brodhead 2011?
Gene Rambo, please report.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) |
Oscar I am working on it.( Fairchild N81288) I have a friend in Orlando that goes
to Lakeland and lots of grass roots fly-ins in central Florida. He has a pristine
J-3. His last name is Dixon but his folks are in Georgia.
do not archive
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Any of you guys out there that are running small continental engines, what is you
advice regarding openings in the nose cone.
Are they required and if so size and location.
I have seen pictures of Piets with and without.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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We run a C-85. Our cowling has openings in the front, but I don't
think they're needed. We keep them covered, or could keep them
covered, nearly all year. Our engine temp has only gotten over 180
once, as far as I can recall. Maybe start without them, and then if
your temps seem high, start cutting. However, I would think that
cooling the cylinders and heads is much more important.
>
>Any of you guys out there that are running small continental
>engines, what is you advice regarding openings in the nose cone.
>
>Are they required and if so size and location.
>
>I have seen pictures of Piets with and without.
>
>Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
>--------
>Adrian M
>Winnipeg, MB
>Canada
>
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
I am planning on being there for a first arrival in my Piet. Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 7:11:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please report in
Are there any new Piets on track for first arrival at Brodhead 2011?
Gene Rambo, please report.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
Will be there with Bells on. Need 36 caps.
Pieti Lowell
Don't archive
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the caning came from Woodcraft... i didn't even know they had it till last week
.. i stopped in to pick up the inlay and maple veneer for the dash and just happened
to see it..
i bought 2 feet and 10 feet of reed to hold it in place... then looked at a video
on youtube to get the basic idea of how to do it..
i don't have a table saw so i marked the width of the groove i needed and carefully
cut it with a cordless circular saw
it's actually very comfortable to sit on and easy to do
jeff
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
i have dreams but....
like Mr Cuy says... plan on double the time
jeff
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
Speaking of Mr. Cuy. Why isn't your name on that official list of project
builders/owners? I believe you might barely qualify.
Stinemetze
>>> "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> 12/16/2010 8:24 AM >>>
i have dreams but....
like Mr Cuy says... plan on double the time
jeff
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Subject: | Re: TIG inverter welder? |
I am not all that experienced with TIG welding, but I am successful at it. I love
to weld now and it is quite easy to TIG just about anything. All of my welds
are TIG. Takes some time and practice...it took me about 5-10 hours of actual
welding to feel very comfortable doing steel stainless and even some aluminum.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
------ Here is two possibilities. EAA chapter 64, KCPS, is buil
ding a Piet under the sub group "Scrounge Dawgs". We wanted to have it done
for last years reunion but I think that was more of a rallying point. It c
ould happen this year though, all we have left to build is the Center wing
section.
------ I am also building my own Piet and I expect it to be rea
dy to fly this summer BUT it may be a close shave considering 50 hour fly o
ff time plus my own flying experience does not include any conventional gea
r time.
----- So look for- a basic green colored "Scrounge Dawg" Piet o
r mine is N899WT and will be painted in Army Air Corps trainer Blue and Yel
low.
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis
H49
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From: helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please report in
Are there any new Piets on track for first arrival at Brodhead 2011?
Gene Rambo, please report.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
le, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
My plane will not be there, but I myself may actually make the trip to get a feel
for what it is all about. (in prep. for my "official" arrival in 2012...maybe.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
Do Not Archive
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Subject: | Covering question |
We are building an air camper with a three piece wing. according to the
plans, there is a 2-3/8" gap between the wing panel butt rib and the
center section butt rib. Since this is the separation point between the
two panels, what is done with this gap when covering the wing? We don't
see any way of supporting the covering at the butt end of the center
section.
Thanks,
Jim Birke
Ira G. Ross Aerospace museum
Restoration facility
Niagara Falls N.Y.
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I've been welding for 30 years in various capacities, and probably weld
every other day in my sculpting studio. Learned on Oxyacetylene, then
learned stick, mig and tig. I'm not expert welder, but I've worked with
them all.
MIG welding, commonly called "wire feed" is one of the most common welding
methods out there because it's real fast. It is however, not recommended
for airplane construction as it is difficult to control the quality of the
weld and penetration to the degree required. I'm sure a top welder could
produce a serviceable aircraft structure, but it's tricky for most guys.
Stick welding is not for airplanes.
Gas welding or Oxyacetylene welding uses two tanks of gas, oxygen and
acetylene to produce an actual flame which is used to do the welding. It
has been used forever on aircraft and can produce great welds. More heat is
generated over a larger area than the electric welding methods, which can
cause problems, but can also be used to straighten things. A gas rig is
cheaper than most tig rigs.
Tig welding to me, really feels a lot like gas welding as you're holding the
torch in one hand, and the filler rod in the other. Tig to me is the way to
go, though the machines are expensive. They easily weld steel, stainless
and aluminum, and lots of other metals.
I much prefer tig welding, and as stated earlier by others, is now the
standard aircraft welding method worldwide. I find it requires about the
same amount of technique as gas, is cleaner and faster and very, very handy
around the shop. I also have a gas rig though for other jobs like brazing,
silver soldering, stress relieving and removing warps.
Douwe
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Subject: | Covering question |
Hi Jim,
I used a 4" wide strip of .025" thick 2024-T3 aluminum to cover the gap. I
drilled #10 holes about 4" apart and screwed the fairings directly to the
ribs of the wing root and centersection butt with # 10 sheet metal screws.
The fairings are each one piece, starting at the trailing edge, wrapping
around the leading edge and back to the trailing edge. As you can see in
the picture below, I started by screwing the bottom of the trailing edge to
the ribs, then wrapped around the leaading edge and put tension on the strip
with a weight (the cinder block you see hanging from the strip) to hold it
tight while I got all the screw holes done. Once the holes were positioned,
I trimmed the trailing edge and tucked it under the fairing on the bottom of
the wing so there was not an edge exposed to the slipstream. They have
worked just fine for 5 years and over 200 hours of flying.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Birke
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
We are building an air camper with a three piece wing. according to the
plans, there is a 2-3/8" gap between the wing panel butt rib and the center
section butt rib. Since this is the separation point between the two panels,
what is done with this gap when covering the wing? We don't see any way of
supporting the covering at the butt end of the center section.
Thanks,
Jim Birke
Ira G. Ross Aerospace museum
Restoration facility
Niagara Falls N.Y.
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
I'm going to try, but probably won't make it this year. There is still a
LOT to do!
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please report in
>
> Are there any new Piets on track for first arrival at Brodhead 2011?
>
> Gene Rambo, please report.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
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I've been welding for 30 years in various capacities, and probably weld
every other day in my sculpting studio. Learned on Oxyacetylene, then
learned stick, mig and tig. I'm not expert welder, but I've worked with
them all.
MIG welding, commonly called "wire feed" is one of the most common welding
methods out there because it's real fast. It is however, not recommended
for airplane construction as it is difficult to control the quality of the
weld and penetration to the degree required. I'm sure a top welder could
produce a serviceable aircraft structure, but it's tricky for most guys.
Stick welding is not for airplanes.
Gas welding or Oxyacetylene welding uses two tanks of gas, oxygen and
acetylene to produce an actual flame which is used to do the welding. It
has been used forever on aircraft and can produce great welds. More heat is
generated over a larger area than the electric welding methods, which can
cause problems, but can also be used to straighten things. A gas rig is
cheaper than most tig rigs.
Tig welding to me, really feels a lot like gas welding as you're holding the
torch in one hand, and the filler rod in the other. Tig to me is the way to
go, though the machines are expensive. They easily weld steel, stainless
and aluminum, and lots of other metals.
I much prefer tig welding, and as stated earlier by others, is now the
standard aircraft welding method worldwide. I find it requires about the
same amount of technique as gas, is cleaner and faster and very, very handy
around the shop. I also have a gas rig though for other jobs like brazing,
silver soldering, stress relieving and removing warps.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
I know that was for Jeff but I know my name is probably not on that list
either. How do I make the team?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM STINEMETZE
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in
Speaking of Mr. Cuy. Why isn't your name on that official list of
project builders/owners? I believe you might barely qualify.
Stinemetze
>>> "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> 12/16/2010 8:24 AM >>>
i have dreams but....
like Mr Cuy says... plan on double the time
jeff
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Thanks for the info on the seat, Jeff. Hope you don't mind if I copy you. Very
vintage!
--------
Al Rice
Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
Unless things have changed I believe you only need 40 hours fly-off
time. Is that correct or have they changed the rules?
----- Original Message -----
From: jeff wilson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Please report in
Here is two possibilities. EAA chapter 64, KCPS, is
building a Piet under the sub group "Scrounge Dawgs". We wanted to have
it done for last years reunion but I think that was more of a rallying
point. It could happen this year though, all we have left to build is
the Center wing section.
I am also building my own Piet and I expect it to be
ready to fly this summer BUT it may be a close shave considering 50 hour
fly off time plus my own flying experience does not include any
conventional gear time.
So look for a basic green colored "Scrounge Dawg" Piet or
mine is N899WT and will be painted in Army Air Corps trainer Blue and
Yellow.
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis
H49
--- On Thu, 12/16/10, helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com>
wrote:
From: helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please report in
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 6:11 AM
Are there any new Piets on track for first arrival at Brodhead
2011?
Gen-= November is the Annual List Fund
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Subject: | Re: Covering question |
We used a pair of aluminum strips as Jack did, but over the years
they got beat up and never fit that well. Plus, if you mess around
with dihedral, their holes won't match the holes in the ribs any more.
These days we use tarp tape. Several flights in freezing temps so far
this winter and no problems. I bought it at:
http://www.bacindustries.com/product3-tarp-access-3x108-tarp-tape-white.php
One roll should last several Piets through several annuals. No doubt
some paint will be lost at the next annual, though we plan just to
slit it for inspect and then patch over. White over white won't be
seen from 2 feet away.
>We are building an air camper with a three piece wing. according to
>the plans, there is a 2-3/8" gap between the wing panel butt rib and
>the center section butt rib. Since this is the separation point
>between the two panels, what is done with this gap when covering the
>wing? We don't see any way of supporting the covering at the butt
>end of the center section.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim Birke
>Ira G. Ross Aerospace museum
>Restoration facility
>Niagara Falls N.Y.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
Come on, Michael. You are certainly far enough along to be ready this
year (2011).
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Please report in
My plane will not be there, but I myself may actually make the
trip to get a feel for what it is all about. (in prep. for my "official"
arrival in 2012...maybe.)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
Do Not Archive
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
I hope to finally make Brodhead in a Piet in 2011.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Covering question |
I was planning to cover the gap with a strip of aluminum. That could
also be the ground plane for a VHF antenna if you planning on having a
radio.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Birke
To: Pietenpol list
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
We are building an air camper with a three piece wing. according to
the plans, there is a 2-3/8" gap between the wing panel butt rib and the
center section butt rib. Since this is the separation point between the
two panels, what is done with this gap when covering the wing? We don't
see any way of supporting the covering at the butt end of the center
section.
Thanks,
Jim Birke
Ira G. Ross Aerospace museum
Restoration facility
Niagara Falls N.Y.
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
Chuck:
Jack Textor posted an e-mail a couple of days ago with an Excel spreadsheet
template which I have attached below. Just fill it out and e-mail it
back to him directly. I believe his e-mail address is: jack@textors.com
Stinemetze
>>> "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> 12/16/2010 9:48 AM >>>
I know that was for Jeff but I know my name is probably not on that list
either. How do I make the team?
Chuck
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Subject: | Re: TIG inverter welder? |
Michael, do you own your own TIG outfit or are you fortunate enough to
know someone who does?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder?
I am not all that experienced with TIG welding, but I am
successful at it. I love to weld now and it is quite easy to TIG just
about anything. All of my welds are TIG. Takes some time and
practice...it took me about 5-10 hours of actual welding to feel very
comfortable doing steel stainless and even some aluminum.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Group,
Just thought I'd pass this along...I purchase a fuel tank from this Gent
and he also has (2) - A-65's for sale as well as an O-200. Here are the
pics. If you are interested contact me off list for his info at
Brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com
Brian
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Thanks Douwe. Good info.
Have you worked with any of the cheap TIG welders, like this one?
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-key
words=tig+regulator&x=0&y=0
Although it's not as cheap as it seems because you still need the $214 torc
h
and a regulator, as someone else pointed out.
Ken
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.ne
t
> wrote:
> I=92ve been welding for 30 years in various capacities, and probably wel
d
> every other day in my sculpting studio. Learned on Oxyacetylene, then
> learned stick, mig and tig. I=92m not expert welder, but I=92ve worked w
ith
> them all.
>
>
> MIG welding, commonly called =93wire feed=94 is one of the most common we
lding
> methods out there because it=92s real fast. It is however, not recommend
ed
> for airplane construction as it is difficult to control the quality of th
e
> weld and penetration to the degree required. I=92m sure a top welder cou
ld
> produce a serviceable aircraft structure, but it=92s tricky for most guys
.
>
>
> Stick welding is not for airplanes.
>
>
> Gas welding or Oxyacetylene welding uses two tanks of gas, oxygen and
> acetylene to produce an actual flame which is used to do the welding. It
> has been used forever on aircraft and can produce great welds. More heat
is
> generated over a larger area than the electric welding methods, which can
> cause problems, but can also be used to straighten things. A gas rig is
> cheaper than most tig rigs.
>
>
> Tig welding to me, really feels a lot like gas welding as you=92re holdin
g
> the torch in one hand, and the filler rod in the other. Tig to me is the
> way to go, though the machines are expensive. They easily weld steel,
> stainless and aluminum, and lots of other metals.
>
>
> I much prefer tig welding, and as stated earlier by others, is now the
> standard aircraft welding method worldwide. I find it requires about the
> same amount of technique as gas, is cleaner and faster and very, very han
dy
> around the shop. I also have a gas rig though for other jobs like brazin
g,
> silver soldering, stress relieving and removing warps.
>
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
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>
>
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512-796-1798
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Subject: | Re: TIG....no no no |
Use whichever you have more confidence in doing and can afford. I took gas
and tig welding classes at a local community college. TIG was so much easier
for me that I went that direction. If you've got gas just buy some Beano.
Since we are on the subject of welding, it has been over a year since a "Is
post heating stress relief necessary" argument thread has happened.
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:24 PM, jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com> wrote:
> No. Go gas. You will be able to do everything except under water welding.
> And I don't take you for a submariner.
>
> Do Not Archive.
>
> --- On *Wed, 12/15/10, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>*wrote:
>
>
> From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder?
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 3:44 PM
>
> I need to start. Where can I find info on the welder mentioned? chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ken Chambers <http://mc/compose?to=ken.riffic@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:27 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder?
>
>
> Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below gets great reviews
> on Amazon.
>
> And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol thicknesses.
>
> Amazingly cheap too.
>
>
> Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder
>
>
> Ken, who's got to start welding soon.
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> *
> http://www.matronics.com/cot="_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">htt --> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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trying to figure out how to post a message
D. Boyd, Champaign IL
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Subject: | Re: TIG inverter welder? |
Thanks John. Good to know.
I don't need to weld aluminum, but anything that makes it easier to learn is
a plus.
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:06 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> The unit is a DC only unit which means you cannot TIG weld aluminum which
> requires AC current to do. Additionally there is no foot pedal to control
> the Amperage (heat) and you will more then likely have to scratch to start
> the arc which eventually contaminates the tungsten. By the time you add the
> torch, argon gauge and regulator you will still not be able to do much more
> than advertised. The big come on is they are TIG units, however you never
> get the full measure or range of usage out of it. If you decide to go that
> way I may be selling one of my hi freq arc initiator boxes which will get
> you away from scratch starting but will not give you foot control and
> or aluminum capabilities.
>
> This really depends on what you're looking for as far as a TIG rig
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 12/15/2010 4:08:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ken.riffic@gmail.com writes:
>
> Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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Subject: | Re: TIG inverter welder? |
I do not have my own rig Charles, but have access to one.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
Do Not Archive
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Be sure to let us know if you figure it out. :)
BC
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323571#323571
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you just did. har har har
________________________________
From: "dnboyd1@comcast.net" <dnboyd1@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 12:22:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: test msg
trying to figure out how to post a message
D. Boyd, Champaign IL
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And it doesn't look like the cheap ones do AC needed for aluminum. Not a bi
g
deal on a Piet, I only needed to do aluminum welding on my fuel tank, you
can just do a riveted fuel tank.
rick
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com> wrote
:
>
> Thanks Douwe. Good info.
>
> Have you worked with any of the cheap TIG welders, like this one?
>
> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-k
eywords=tig+regulator&x=0&y=0
>
> Although it's not as cheap as it seems because you still need the $214
> torch and a regulator, as someone else pointed out.
>
> Ken
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Douwe Blumberg <
> douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I=92ve been welding for 30 years in various capacities, and probably we
ld
>> every other day in my sculpting studio. Learned on Oxyacetylene, then
>> learned stick, mig and tig. I=92m not expert welder, but I=92ve worked
with
>> them all.
>>
>>
>>
>> MIG welding, commonly called =93wire feed=94 is one of the most common w
elding
>> methods out there because it=92s real fast. It is however, not recommen
ded
>> for airplane construction as it is difficult to control the quality of t
he
>> weld and penetration to the degree required. I=92m sure a top welder co
uld
>> produce a serviceable aircraft structure, but it=92s tricky for most guy
s.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stick welding is not for airplanes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gas welding or Oxyacetylene welding uses two tanks of gas, oxygen and
>> acetylene to produce an actual flame which is used to do the welding. I
t
>> has been used forever on aircraft and can produce great welds. More hea
t is
>> generated over a larger area than the electric welding methods, which ca
n
>> cause problems, but can also be used to straighten things. A gas rig is
>> cheaper than most tig rigs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tig welding to me, really feels a lot like gas welding as you=92re holdi
ng
>> the torch in one hand, and the filler rod in the other. Tig to me is th
e
>> way to go, though the machines are expensive. They easily weld steel,
>> stainless and aluminum, and lots of other metals.
>>
>>
>>
>> I much prefer tig welding, and as stated earlier by others, is now the
>> standard aircraft welding method worldwide. I find it requires about th
e
>> same amount of technique as gas, is cleaner and faster and very, very ha
ndy
>> around the shop. I also have a gas rig though for other jobs like brazi
ng,
>> silver soldering, stress relieving and removing warps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>> *
>>
>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com*
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Ken Chambers
> 512-796-1798
>
> *
>
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>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Al may be in your future if you plan on fuel tanks. 032 material needs Rig
with a pedal and icy makes it disappear into transparent aluminum. You may
want to set your sights on doing aluminum then have to set up for it after
the fact
John
Diversity of alternatives gives many more options for skinning that cat
Do no archive
John
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Ken Chambers <ken.riffic@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 16, 2010 17:31:36 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder?
Thanks John. Good to know.
I don't need to weld aluminum, but anything that makes it easier to learn is
a plus.
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:06 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> The unit is a DC only unit which means you cannot TIG weld aluminum which
> requires AC current to do. Additionally there is no foot pedal to control
> the Amperage (heat) and you will more then likely have to scratch to start
> the arc which eventually contaminates the tungsten. By the time you add
the
> torch, argon gauge and regulator you will still not be able to do much
more
> than advertised. The big come on is they are TIG units, however you never
> get the full measure or range of usage out of it. If you decide to go that
> way I may be selling one of my hi freq arc initiator boxes which will get
> you away from scratch starting but will not give you foot control and
> or aluminum capabilities.
>
> This really depends on what you're looking for as far as a TIG rig
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 12/15/2010 4:08:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ken.riffic@gmail.com writes:
>
> Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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Subject: | Re: Covering question |
I glued 1/16" plywood on the faces of the butt ribs to provide an attachment for
the covering and seal the wings and center section from the weather.
Hope this helps.
--------
Al Rice
Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet
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Subject: | Re: Covering question |
I used strips of aluminum with #8 wood screws into the ribs on both
sides. I don't think I'd want to mount my antenna on aluminum that thin
though.
Ben Charvet
On 12/16/2010 10:57 AM, Charles Campbell wrote:
> I was planning to cover the gap with a strip of aluminum. That could
> also be the ground plane for a VHF antenna if you planning on having a
> radio.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jim Birke <mailto:jimbir@yahoo.com>
> *To:* Pietenpol list <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:03 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Covering question
>
> We are building an air camper with a three piece wing. according
> to the plans, there is a 2-3/8" gap between the wing panel butt
> rib and the center section butt rib. Since this is the separation
> point between the two panels, what is done with this gap when
> covering the wing? We don't see any way of supporting the covering
> at the butt end of the center section.
> Thanks,
> Jim Birke
> Ira G. Ross Aerospace museum
> Restoration facility
> Niagara Falls N.Y.
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
> href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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>
> *
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> *
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It looks very nice but will it handle your weight x 6 G? And if it did
collapse in turbulence would you still be able to operate the controls?
Regards Mike T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress
> <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> the caning came from Woodcraft... i didn't even know they had it till last
> week .. i stopped in to pick up the inlay and maple veneer for the dash
> and just happened to see it..
> i bought 2 feet and 10 feet of reed to hold it in place... then looked at
> a video on youtube to get the basic idea of how to do it..
> i don't have a table saw so i marked the width of the groove i needed and
> carefully cut it with a cordless circular saw
> it's actually very comfortable to sit on and easy to do
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323528#323528
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: TIG....no no no |
William Wynne thinks it is.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG....no no no
Use whichever you have more confidence in doing and can afford. I took
gas and tig welding classes at a local community college. TIG was so
much easier for me that I went that direction. If you've got gas just
buy some Beano.
Since we are on the subject of welding, it has been over a year since
a "Is post heating stress relief necessary" argument thread has
happened.
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:24 PM, jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com>
wrote:
No. Go gas. You will be able to do everything except under
water welding. And I don't take you for a submariner.
Do Not Archive.
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder?
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 3:44 PM
I need to start. Where can I find info on the welder
mentioned? chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Chambers
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: TIG inverter welder?
Anyone have any experience with these? The welder below
gets great reviews on Amazon.
And it looks like it can handle typical Pietenpol
thicknesses.
Amazingly cheap too.
Forney 00390 AT-100 ARC-TIG Inverter Welder
Ken, who's got to start welding soon.
href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http:/
/www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhttp://ww
w.matronics.com/cot="_blank"
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">htt -->
_blank">www.aeroelectric.com
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
It's probably a long shot, but I hope to make it. Still lots to do!
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/piet.html
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:11:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please report in
Are there any new Piets on track for first arrival at Brodhead 2011?
Gene Rambo, please report.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: TIG....no no no |
I prefer TIG over gas welding as produces better joints as heat is more con
centrated and easier controlled.
Post welding reheating aka Stress relieving is not always necessary.
But is recommended in high stress areas:
Wing attachment point, motor mounts and landing gear attachment points
In short when in doubt, stress relief.
Hans
NX 15 KV
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Yeah! I'm copying him, also. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "AlRice" <Allen@allenrice.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: progress
>
> Thanks for the info on the seat, Jeff. Hope you don't mind if I copy you.
> Very vintage!
>
> --------
> Al Rice
> Skybolt 260
> RV-9A
> Helping with my grandson's Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323546#323546
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Covering question |
I like the tarp tape idea!
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Birke
To: Pietenpol list
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
We are building an air camper with a three piece wing. according to
the plans, there is a 2-3/8" gap between the wing panel butt rib and the
center section butt rib. Since this is the separation point between the
two panels, what is done with this gap when covering the wing? We don't
see any way of supporting the covering at the butt end of the center
section.
Thanks,
Jim Birke
Ira G. Ross Aerospace museum
Restoration facility
Niagara Falls N.Y.
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
Covering over Xmas week,see no reason can't make it.Maybe Rick and I can fly out
together.Dave NX59061
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Covering Piet
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323620#323620
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Subject: | Re: Please report in |
Ah, ... yea maybe.
rick
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Dangerous Dave <dsornbor@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Covering over Xmas week,see no reason can't make it.Maybe Rick and I can
> fly out together.Dave NX59061
>
> --------
> Covering Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323620#323620
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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