---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/17/10: 47 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Please report in (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 06:06 AM - Looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 06:07 AM - Cowl (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 06:33 AM - cheap tig welders (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 06:44 AM - Re: Cowl (Charles Campbell) 6. 06:45 AM - Re: Looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM) 7. 06:54 AM - Re: Please report in (AmsafetyC@aol.com) 8. 07:04 AM - Re: Please report in (GliderMike) 9. 07:21 AM - firewall size (GliderMike) 10. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Please report in (AmsafetyC@aol.com) 11. 07:24 AM - Re: Please report in (TOM STINEMETZE) 12. 07:34 AM - Re: runway length? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 13. 07:34 AM - Re: New Piets for Brodhead 2011 (Woodflier@aol.com) 14. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: Please report in (Gboothe5) 15. 07:48 AM - Re: runway length? (Gary Boothe) 16. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: New Piets for Brodhead 2011 (Jack Phillips) 17. 08:40 AM - Re: runway length? (hvandervoo@aol.com) 18. 08:41 AM - Re: firewall size (hvandervoo@aol.com) 19. 09:13 AM - Re: Please report in (AmsafetyC@aol.com) 20. 09:15 AM - Re: Please report in (Kenneth Howe) 21. 09:15 AM - Re: runway length? (Jeff Boatright) 22. 09:24 AM - Re: runway length? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 23. 12:10 PM - Re: runway length? (airlion) 24. 12:33 PM - Re: runway length? (Clif Dawson) 25. 12:35 PM - Re: runway length? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 26. 12:47 PM - Re: Please report in (Rick Holland) 27. 12:49 PM - Re: runway length? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 28. 12:54 PM - PLEASE Help on Gear Fittings (Jack) 29. 01:09 PM - Re: runway length? (Dan Yocum) 30. 01:32 PM - Re: runway length? (Dan Yocum) 31. 01:41 PM - Re: runway length? (Kringle) 32. 01:45 PM - New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system (dnboyd1@comcast.net) 33. 02:08 PM - Re: runway length? (Gary Boothe) 34. 02:20 PM - Re: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system (Rick Holland) 35. 02:37 PM - Re: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system (gliderx5@comcast.net) 36. 02:59 PM - Re: runway length? (Jerry Dotson) 37. 03:33 PM - Re: Please report in (GliderMike) 38. 03:37 PM - Re: firewall size (GliderMike) 39. 03:51 PM - Re: PLEASE Help on Gear Fittings (Andrew M Eldredge) 40. 04:06 PM - Re: PLEASE Help on Gear Fittings (Dangerous Dave) 41. 04:14 PM - Re: runway length? (Dangerous Dave) 42. 04:45 PM - Re: runway length? (Jeff Boatright) 43. 05:30 PM - Re: runway length? (Pieti Lowell) 44. 08:57 PM - Re: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system (hvandervoo@aol.com) 45. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: firewall size (hvandervoo@aol.com) 46. 09:31 PM - Re: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system (Jeff E.) 47. 10:16 PM - Re: Covering question (Doug Dever) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:12 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please report in Dan asked: >Are there any new Piets on track for first arrival at Brodhead 2011? Define "new". We're talking about a 1929 design here ;o) The year 2011 will be my best shot at ever making it to Brodhead with Scout since I will turn 60 on July 28 and that buys me all kinds of sympathy with my wife. I've had the charts and routes all planned for several years but may make some minor tweaks to the route next year since I will probably fly two-up with my hangar mate Craig Wall and he is a Tulsa boy. May have to veer into Markle territory. Craig is re-engining his Cassutt and has promised to let me fly it when it's back in the air. I have dreamed of flying a Cassutt ever since my old instructor Charlie used to fly his little screamer, "Hiccup", at my old home base of Laredo International. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:12 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) Jerry wrote: >Oscar I am working on it.( Fairchild N81288) Steve Dortch suggested I try the Fairchild owners' group. Thanks for the help, guys. I had forgotten that my friend David Stroud from the Corvair list is building a Fairchild replica (though not the 24W) and is on that list, so he's put the word out too. We'll see what turns up. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:47 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cowl Adrian asked- >Any of you guys out there that are running small continental engines, >what is your advice regarding openings in the nose cone. Are they >required and if so size and location. Scout has run an A65 and presently is running an A75. No openings in the nose cone, no cooling problems, and we are in south Texas where 95F in the summertime is considered a cool day. Like Jack, I think I have only seen 180F on the oil temp one time on my A75 and that was in the middle of the summer after a climb to 4500', with less than 20 hours on the engine since major overhaul so it was (and is) still quite tight. Most of the time it will settle around 160 in level cruise, but it takes a while to get to that temp in cooler weather. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:46 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cheap tig welders No, I have not used one of the cheaper, smaller tig welders. My GUESS (and it's only a guess) is that they'd probably be powerful enough for pretty much anything you'd need to weld on an airplane, but they might be trickier to start as they probably don't have a HF start capability, which is okay, just have to strike it to start. I'd also question how they do with aluminum as aluminum requires MUCH more heat and amperage to weld then the equivalent thickness of steel. That's about all I can say about that. RE Brodhead 2011. I'd sure like to be ready, but am seriously doubting it now with my intense work schedule, but we'll see. I keep plugging away. Wings are done, and recovered, new wheels almost done. Have to recover fuselage, finish cowling, hook up engine, make new gas tank and then see if my engine needs an overhaul or not as it's been sitting for a while. Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:39 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cowl I guess I'm confused. What do you mean "no openings in the nose cone?" Most of the aircooled engines I have seen on Aircampers have the "rabbit ears" above the cylinders and heads to direct cooling air down through the engine. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cowl > > > Adrian asked- > >>Any of you guys out there that are running small continental engines, >>what is your advice regarding openings in the nose cone. Are they >>required and if so size and location. > > Scout has run an A65 and presently is running an A75. No openings in > the nose cone, no cooling problems, and we are in south Texas where 95F > in the summertime is considered a cool day. > > Like Jack, I think I have only seen 180F on the oil temp one time on my > A75 and that was in the middle of the summer after a climb to 4500', with > less than 20 hours on the engine since major overhaul so it was (and is) > still quite tight. Most of the time it will settle around 160 in level > cruise, but it takes a while to get to that temp in cooler weather. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > San Antonio, TX > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:56 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) When I (meaning my wife) decided we should move up to a 4 seat airplane from my 1959 Cessna 150, I started looking at anything with 4 seats. So I called this guy trying to sell a Fairchild 24R (with the Ranger engine, inverted.) Once I found out that they would carry 4 but not too fast and engine parts were hard to find, I told the guy I was not interested. Though I complemented him on the plane. He insisted on flying it up from central OK to Enid and showing it to me. So I went out. What a beautiful bird. car type doors, tall and stately. the inverted ranger engine looks neat. But still a 110 MPH plane drinking 13 GPH. Neat Plane, Great antique. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Fairchild N81288 (off-topic) > > > Jerry wrote: > > >Oscar I am working on it.( Fairchild N81288) > > Steve Dortch suggested I try the Fairchild owners' group. > > Thanks for the help, guys. I had forgotten that my friend > David Stroud from the Corvair list is building a Fairchild > replica (though not the 24W) and is on that list, so he's > put the word out too. We'll see what turns up. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > San Antonio, TX > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:13 AM PST US From: "AmsafetyC@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Please report in Like you I turn 60 on July 18 and as much aa I would have loved to fly my Piet to Brodhead then Oshkosh that's not going to be a happening thing. The sympathy card don't play in my house so its another date that commemorates the continued march towards antiquity John Do not archive no useful information contained here Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 14:06:49 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please report in Dan asked: >Are there any new Piets on track for first arrival at Brodhead 2011? Define "new". We're talking about a 1929 design here ;o) The year 2011 will be my best shot at ever making it to Brodhead with Scout since I will turn 60 on July 28 and that buys me all kinds of sympathy with my wife. I've had the charts and routes all planned for several years but may make some minor tweaks to the route next year since I will probably fly two-up with my hangar mate Craig Wall and he is a Tulsa boy. May have to veer into Markle territory. Craig is re-engining his Cassutt and has promised to let me fly it when it's back in the air. I have dreamed of flying a Cassutt ever since my old instructor Charlie used to fly his little screamer, "Hiccup", at my old home base of Laredo International. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" San Antonio, TX website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in From: "GliderMike" I plan to be at Brodhead for the first time! Does that count for anything, even if I drive a car up there? -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323651#323651 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: firewall size From: "GliderMike" I was scrounging at work and found a piece of metal suitable for firewall material. It is 27" wide and 36 1/2" high, but it has a piece cut out of a corner. The corner cut out reduces it to 23" wide x 36 1/2" high, or 24 3/4" x 26 3/4," because of the cutout." It is 0.028" thick. Someone probably lost the paperwork on it, so we can't use it at work, but it is definitely suitable for a firewall in an experimental. Will this be large enough to use for a firewall on a Piet? do not archive -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323652#323652 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:04 AM PST US From: "AmsafetyC@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in I guess it means we will see you there John Do not archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: GliderMike Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 15:04:48 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in I plan to be at Brodhead for the first time! Does that count for anything, even if I drive a car up there? -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323651#323651 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:10 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Please report in I hate it when you young whippersnappers get to complainin' about your advanced age. I will turn 61 in about 3-weeks so I outrank you both! Actually, I believe that I got more accomplished on the Piet this year than I did in the two previous years so quityurbitchen and get back to work. You just need to get your spouse involved in the build somehow so she will have a personal investment and not just have to hear about it all the time. Get her to quilt you a propeller cozy or something. Merry Christmas to all at to all do not archive Stinemetze (in cold but snowless Kansas) >>> "AmsafetyC@aol.com" 12/17/2010 8:51 AM >>> Like you I turn 60 on July 18 and as much aa I would have loved to fly my Piet to Brodhead then Oshkosh that's not going to be a happening thing. The sympathy card don't play in my house so its another date that commemorates the continued march towards antiquity John ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? From: Kip and Beth Gardner Everyone, I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway along one edge of the primary field. To the west there are 40-50' trees about 300-350' from the possible runway end. To the east, there are no obstructions for about 400', and then none over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the south-southeast of the possible runway location, creek bottom to the north. My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm seriously considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional lift. I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar space (Minerva, Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of keeping the plane at the farm. Comments? Thanks! Kip Gardner ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:44 AM PST US From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Piets for Brodhead 2011 Dan, I expect NX629ML will make it's first trip to Brodhead in 2011. Looks like it'll be spring before the first flight though, with winter clamping down early like it has. I usually make a stop at Big Foot for a day or two before Oshkosh but will probably go direct to Brodhead next year. I think Jack Phillips is thinking about flying up with me, and another friend who recently finished a Chinook project. Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:22 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in "...Does that count for anything...?" Sure! I'll buy you a cup of coffee! Gary Boothe Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GliderMike Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 7:02 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in I plan to be at Brodhead for the first time! Does that count for anything, even if I drive a car up there? -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323651#323651 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:14 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Kip, Shouldn't you have asked that question before signing the contract? ;-) Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 7:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Everyone, I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway along one edge of the primary field. To the west there are 40-50' trees about 300-350' from the possible runway end. To the east, there are no obstructions for about 400', and then none over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the south-southeast of the possible runway location, creek bottom to the north. My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm seriously considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional lift. I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar space (Minerva, Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of keeping the plane at the farm. Comments? Thanks! Kip Gardner ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:37 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Piets for Brodhead 2011 Sounds like we'll have a good contingent from Virginia, with Gene Rambo's Model A powered Pietenpol, and Matt's new Continental powered Piet, with my Icarus Plummet making her 4th trip to Brodhead. The trick will be finding fields where Gene can land, since he has a tailskid and no brakes. Should be fun. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC (although the Pietenpol is now based at W91, Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Woodflier@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Piets for Brodhead 2011 Dan, I expect NX629ML will make it's first trip to Brodhead in 2011. Looks like it'll be spring before the first flight though, with winter clamping down early like it has. I usually make a stop at Big Foot for a day or two before Oshkosh but will probably go direct to Brodhead next year. I think Jack Phillips is thinking about flying up with me, and another friend who recently finished a Chinook project. Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? From: hvandervoo@aol.com My landing and take off roll are in the 300 - 400 ft range. So it is possible but with little room for error. What are the prevailing winds ? If you have crosswind most of the time it would be very exciting landings! Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:34 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? hlink.net> Everyone, I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. The re is he potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway along one edge of he primary field. To the west there are 40-50' trees about 300-350' from t he ossible runway end. To the east, there are no obstructions for about 400', and hen none over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the outh-southeast of the possible runway location, creek bottom to the north. My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be usin g a orvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm seriously considering the iblett 612 airfoil for the additional lift. I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar space Minerva, Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of keeping the p lane t the farm. Comments? Thanks! Kip Gardner - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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If the piece is free, it is worth trying. Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: GliderMike Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:22 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: firewall size I was scrounging at work and found a piece of metal suitable for firewall aterial. It is 27" wide and 36 1/2" high, but it has a piece cut out of a orner. The corner cut out reduces it to 23" wide x 36 1/2" high, or 24 3/4 " x 6 3/4," because of the cutout." It is 0.028" thick. Someone probably los t he paperwork on it, so we can't use it at work, but it is definitely suitab le or a firewall in an experimental. Will this be large enough to use for a irewall on a Piet? do not archive -------- OMEBUILDER ill WORK for Spruce ong flights, smooth air, and soft landings, liderMike, aka Mike Glasgow ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323652#323652 - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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The good part about being ADD is multi tasking which means e mial while driving. Not to old for that Do not archive John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 15:24:28 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Please report in I hate it when you young whippersnappers get to complainin' about your advanced age. I will turn 61 in about 3-weeks so I outrank you both! Actually, I believe that I got more accomplished on the Piet this year than I did in the two previous years so quityurbitchen and get back to work. You just need to get your spouse involved in the build somehow so she will have a personal investment and not just have to hear about it all the time. Get her to quilt you a propeller cozy or something. Merry Christmas to all at to all do not archive Stinemetze (in cold but snowless Kansas) >>> "AmsafetyC@aol.com" 12/17/2010 8:51 AM >>> Like you I turn 60 on July 18 and as much aa I would have loved to fly my Piet to Brodhead then Oshkosh that's not going to be a happening thing. The sympathy card don't play in my house so its another date that commemorates the continued march towards antiquity John ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:19 AM PST US From: Kenneth Howe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Please report in Maybe I can try that sympathy card - I turn 60 in May. But if I do come it would mean flying commercial from the left coast. Ken do not archive On Dec 17, 2010, at 6:51 AM, amsafetyc@aol.com wrote: > Like you I turn 60 on July 18 and as much aa I would have loved to fly my Piet to Brodhead then Oshkosh that's not going to be a happening thing. The sympathy card don't play in my house so its another date that commemorates the continued march towards antiquity > > John > > Do not archive no useful information contained here > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: Oscar Zuniga > To: Pietenpol List > Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 14:06:49 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please report in > > > > Dan asked: > > >Are there any new Piets on track for first arrival at Brodhead 2011? > > Define "new". We're talking about a 1929 design here ;o) > > The year 2011 will be my best shot at ever making it to Brodhead with > Scout since I will turn 60 on July 28 and that buys me all kinds of > sympathy with my wife. I've had the charts and routes all planned for > several years but may make some minor tweaks to the route next year > since I will probably fly two-up with my hangar mate Craig Wall and he > is a Tulsa boy. May have to veer into Markle territory. > > Craig is re-engining his Cassutt and has promised to let me fly it > when it's back in the air. I have dreamed of flying a Cassutt ever > since my old instructor Charlie used to fly his little screamer, > "Hiccup", at my old home base of Laredo International. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > San Antonio, TX > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:28 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Take offs won't be a problem to the east. Landings will be tight either way. Can the trees be taken down? > > >Everyone, > >I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is >good. There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) >grass runway along one edge of the primary field. To the west there >are 40-50' trees about 300-350' from the possible runway end. To >the east, there are no obstructions for about 400', and then none >over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the >south-southeast of the possible runway location, creek bottom to the >north. > >My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll >be using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm >seriously considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional >lift. > >I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar >space (Minerva, Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of >keeping the plane at the farm. > >Comments? > >Thanks! > >Kip Gardner > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:34 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Thanks Hans, in this part of the world, normal prevailing winds tend to be from the west. Any time it's coming from somewhere else, it's usually a harbinger of weather you would not want to fly in anyway :). Kip On Dec 17, 2010, at 11:29 AM, HVandervoo@aol.com wrote: > My landing and take off roll are in the 300 - 400 ft range. > > So it is possible but with little room for error. > > What are the prevailing winds ? > If you have crosswind most of the time it would be very exciting landings! > > Hans > > NX15KV > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kip and Beth Gardner > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 9:34 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? > > > Everyone, > > I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. There is > the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway along one edge of > the primary field. To the west there are 40-50' trees about 300-350' from the > possible runway end. To the east, there are no obstructions for about 400', and > then none over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the > south-southeast of the possible runway location, creek bottom to the north. > > My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be using a > Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm seriously considering the > Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional lift. > > I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar space > (Minerva, Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of keeping the plane > at the farm. > > Comments? > > Thanks! > > Kip Gardner > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:46 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? If you are an Alaskan bush pilot with big wheels you might be able to get in or out -- and have plenty of tail drag time. I would not try it and I have lots of taildrag time. Go for the field next door. It is a lot more fun to be able to get away for a beer. Cheers, Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ---- From: Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:30:50 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Everyone, I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway along one edge of the primary field. To the west there are 40-50' trees about 300-350' from the possible runway end. To the east, there are no obstructions for about 400', and then none over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the south-southeast of the possible runway location, creek bottom to the north. My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm seriously considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional lift. I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar space (Minerva, Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of keeping the plane at the farm. Comments? Thanks! Kip Gardner ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:37 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Any chance of putting it kitty-corner ( or is that kiddy? ) That could give you another couple hundred feet. Provided the property is square though. Clif > I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. > There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway > along one edge of the primary field. > > My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be > using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm seriously > considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional lift. > > Kip Gardner ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:37 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Unfortunately no unless the adjoining property owners were agreeable. On Dec 17, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > Take offs won't be a problem to the east. Landings will be tight either way. Can the trees be taken down? > > >> >> Everyone, >> >> I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway along one edge of the primary field. To the west there are 40-50' trees about 300-350' from the possible runway end. To the east, there are no obstructions for about 400', and then none over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the south-southeast of the possible runway location, creek bottom to the north. >> >> My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm seriously considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional lift. >> >> I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar space (Minerva, Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of keeping the plane at the farm. >> >> Comments? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Kip Gardner >> > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Please report in From: Rick Holland I turned 60 June and am glad to hear that it gives me some leverage. rick On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:51 AM, AmsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > Like you I turn 60 on July 18 and as much aa I would have loved to fly my > Piet to Brodhead then Oshkosh that's not going to be a happening thing. The > sympathy card don't play in my house so its another date that commemorates > the continued march towards antiquity > > John > > Do not archive no useful information contained here > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > > > -----Original message----- > > *From: *Oscar Zuniga * > To: *Pietenpol List * > Sent: *Fri, Dec 17, 2010 14:06:49 GMT+00:00* > Subject: *Pietenpol-List: Please report in > > > > Dan asked: > > >Are there any new Piets on track for first arrival at Brodhead 2011? > > Define "new". We're talking about a 1929 design here ;o) > > The year 2011 will be my best shot at ever making it to Brodhead with > Scout since I will turn 60 on July 28 and that buys me all kinds of > sympathy with my wife. I've had the charts and routes all planned for > several years but may make some minor tweaks to the route next year > since I will probably fly two-up with my hangar mate Craig Wall and he > is a Tulsa boy. May have to veer into Markle territory. > > Craig is re-engining his Cassutt and has promised to let me fly it > when it's back in the air. I have dreamed of flying a Cassutt ever > since my old instructor Charlie used to fly his little screamer, > "Hiccup", at my old home base of Laredo International. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > San Antonio, TX > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:02 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Thanks everyone. As with most things Pietenpol, it sounds like a "your mileage may vary" situation. I know it's kind of marginal, just curious about the opinions on just how marginal that is. BTW Gary, I know it's approaching blasphemy to say that I did not buy this land primarily with flying in mind, but that's the case. I'm actually planning on farming this land - what a novel idea :) ! Kip On Dec 17, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Clif Dawson wrote: > > > > Any chance of putting it kitty-corner ( or is that kiddy? ) > That could give you another couple hundred feet. > Provided the property is square though. > > > Clif > >> I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is >> good. There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) >> grass runway along one edge of the primary field. > >> My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll >> be using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm >> seriously considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional >> lift. >> >> Kip Gardner > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:31 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: PLEASE Help on Gear Fittings Guys, I'm cutting gear fittings today. For the split gear bottom and side fitting plates, are they skewed to the left as shown on the drawings? Thanks Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:21 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? The field I fly out of is 2400' paved with a 1900' grass strip parallel to the pavement. I'm happy when I can land in 600' on the grass. I can't imagine trying to land on a field that's only 600' long. That's too much pucker factor for my butt... Dan On 12/17/2010 12:48 PM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > If you are an Alaskan bush pilot with big wheels you might be able to get in or > out -- and have plenty of tail drag time. I would not try it and I have lots of > taildrag time. Go for the field next door. It is a lot more fun to be able to > get away for a beer. Cheers, Gardiner Mason > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Kip and Beth Gardner > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:30:50 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip and Beth Gardner > > > Everyone, > > I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is good. There is > the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) grass runway along one edge of > the primary field. To the west there are 40-50' trees about 300-350' from the > possible runway end. To the east, there are no obstructions for about 400', and > then none over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the > south-southeast of the possible runway location, creek bottom to the north. > > My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll be using a > Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed& I'm seriously considering the > Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional lift. > > I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar space > (Minerva, Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of keeping the plane > at the farm. > > Comments? > > Thanks! > > Kip Gardner > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:30 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Kip, You've seen a lot of Piet's land at Brodhead. The distance between the entrance and exit "taxiways" (the closed runways) is just over 1000' and most of the time I was just at the comfort speed for turning when I reached the exit. Of course, I probably could have really slowed 'er down more by creeping over the threshold and stomping on the brakes, but that's no fun. Dan On 12/17/2010 03:06 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > The field I fly out of is 2400' paved with a 1900' grass strip parallel > to the pavement. I'm happy when I can land in 600' on the grass. I can't > imagine trying to land on a field that's only 600' long. That's too much > pucker factor for my butt... > > Dan > > On 12/17/2010 12:48 PM, airlion wrote: >> >> If you are an Alaskan bush pilot with big wheels you might be able to >> get in or >> out -- and have plenty of tail drag time. I would not try it and I >> have lots of >> taildrag time. Go for the field next door. It is a lot more fun to be >> able to >> get away for a beer. Cheers, Gardiner Mason >> -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: "Kringle" I have 900 feet with no obstructions and was wondering if that is enough? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323698#323698 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:46 PM PST US From: dnboyd1@comcast.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system Getting ready to start covering....=C2- Has anyone any experience with th e new Stewart Systems, from Hanger 21? It is non toxic, no chemicals, etc.=C2-and you can work indoors. Dave Boyd Champaign, IL ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:27 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: runway length? More power to you, Kip! I wouldn't know which end of the seed goes down...Hope you find a way to make it work for your Piet, too! Gary Boothe Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth Gardner Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Thanks everyone. As with most things Pietenpol, it sounds like a "your mileage may vary" situation. I know it's kind of marginal, just curious about the opinions on just how marginal that is. BTW Gary, I know it's approaching blasphemy to say that I did not buy this land primarily with flying in mind, but that's the case. I'm actually planning on farming this land - what a novel idea :) ! Kip On Dec 17, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Clif Dawson wrote: > > > > Any chance of putting it kitty-corner ( or is that kiddy? ) > That could give you another couple hundred feet. > Provided the property is square though. > > > Clif > >> I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is >> good. There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) >> grass runway along one edge of the primary field. > >> My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll >> be using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm >> seriously considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional >> lift. >> >> Kip Gardner > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system From: Rick Holland Ecobond is great for gluing on the fabric, no smell and more forgiving than PolyTac. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:43 PM, wrote: > Getting ready to start covering.... Has anyone any experience with the new > Stewart Systems, from Hanger 21? > > It is non toxic, no chemicals, etc. and you can work indoors. > > Dave Boyd > > Champaign, IL > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:31 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system Ecobond is the only glue that I will ever use again. It's great! I have some pics on my site. I did not use the Stewart system paint. Went with Behr latex and am very pleased. Malcolm Morrison http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/piet.html ----- Original Message ----- From: dnboyd1@comcast.net Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 4:43:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system Getting ready to start covering.... Has anyone any experience with the new Stewart Systems, from Hanger 21? It is non toxic, no chemicals, etc. and you can work indoors. Dave Boyd Champaign, IL ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: "Jerry Dotson" My runway is 1290 feet with power lines on the South end. The North end is open with just a field then trees 1300 feet from the North end of the runway. It is not for low time pilots or airplanes with stall speeds of 50 MPH or greater. A Cessna 150 with 2 on board would be very iffy. I would not try it. A go round into those power lines might invite a wreck because of the poor climb rate. Cubs, Aeroncas work fine. One friend has a Cessna 140 and he works it just fine but he has about 1500 hours in it. I would not fly off a 600 foot strip at all with obstructions. I flew a Cessna 180 off 600 feet near Clewiston, FL for a tomato farm conglomerate BUT the only obstructions were tomato plants. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323711#323711 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in From: "GliderMike" I turned 61 this last October, and the age sympathy card doesn't work at all for me, cause my wife is 2 1/2 years older than I am. If I try to play that card, it gets me in serious trouble. LOL do not archive -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323713#323713 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: firewall size From: "GliderMike" It was free to me. I think it is the same titanium used as a fire resistant enclosure around the APU's in the Bombardier CRJ 200's 50 place regional airliner we fly. Except there is no paperwork to trace this piece back to the mine the ore came from, so the company can't use it on any of its airplanes. -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323715#323715 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PLEASE Help on Gear Fittings From: Andrew M Eldredge If you are talking about the 1/4 inch thick sections that the bungees bolt to, For my part, I would not attempt to locate them other than with the bungees in assembly. Andrew On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Jack wrote: > Guys, I=92m cutting gear fittings today. For the split gear bottom and > side fitting plates, are they skewed to the left as shown on the drawings ? > > Thanks > > Jack Textor > > 29 SW 58th Drive > > Des Moines, IA 50312 > > www.textors.com > > * > =========== =========== =========== ============* > > -- Andrew Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PLEASE Help on Gear Fittings From: "Dangerous Dave" Jack,They are skewed.BUT..Make all the pieces,weld up the gear legs,get them in place where they go weld up the bungee cross pieces and hold them in place with the mounting lugs bolted on and tack the lugs.Everyones gear is a bit different and no plans will show exactly what angle and where they should be attached at.If you dont you'll have to bend the a or something else a bit.Been there..Dave PS have the axles even with the leading edge in flying config. -------- Covering Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323720#323720 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: "Dangerous Dave" Try at a similar strip some where else.If you can get 500fpm of climb and land and stop and takeoff in 300' 40 times in a row go for it.If not drive 4 miles and only build your Piet once.Dave -------- Covering Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323721#323721 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:13 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: runway length? Kip, Not to rain on your parade, but after thinking about it a little, I'm not sure you have enough room unless you can clear both approaches of obstacles. I have attached Google map images of the runway I fly from. There is a 50 foot tree to the side of the runway that I can consistently be above by several feet on take off. Using Google's nifty distance measurement tool, I find that it takes about 1100 feet horizontal vector to be above that tree comfortably. I have attached images of what ~650 feet (your runway length), 950 feet (the average of your runway length and your estimates of the length to the trees), and ~1100 feet look like. Sort of sobering... 50 feet is pretty tall. Are you sure that the trees at the end of your runway are that tall? Jeff > > >Everyone, > >I just signed a contract on an 18 acre farm in NE Ohio - life is >good. There is the potential for a 600-650' (9/27 orientation) >grass runway along one edge of the primary field. To the west there >are 40-50' trees about 300-350' from the possible runway end. To >the east, there are no obstructions for about 400', and then none >over 25' beyond that. 75'-plus hill immediately to the >south-southeast of the possible runway location, creek bottom to the >north. > >My question is, is this enough room to get a Piet in and out? I'll >be using a Corvair for power, I weigh 150 fully dressed & I'm >seriously considering the Riblett 612 airfoil for the additional >lift. > >I'd also mention that there is a private field with available hangar >space (Minerva, Ohio) about 4 miles away, but I'd like the option of >keeping the plane at the farm. > >Comments? > >Thanks! > >Kip Gardner ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: runway length? From: "Pieti Lowell" Kip. For those of you that knew Allen Rudolf and his farm landing strip, I will be saying things that you know, But his strip was North and South about 700 Ft. before he lengthened it to accommodate his 172. He cut the trees at the end of the strip to clear 10' on each wing tip. I flew his Ford A with no problem, also flew my clipped wing 4412 Piet with an 85 HP Cont,my Ford A , Werner 145 . Lambert. B Ford first with a Piet wing then with 612 wing. many times with passengers, The last landing in Allens field was after he had passed away and I was showing a passenger a possible purchase that I had in mind, When I arrived the runways were freshly plowed and not to be deterred We landed on the plowed surface, and found that it took full throttle to taxi , needless to say it took a bean field to take off, By the way his barn had a 12 X 12 vertical hinged at the top at th sliding doors and pulled up out of the way to get his Piet in and out , it worked great, Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323726#323726 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system From: hvandervoo@aol.com I have used Polyfiber on the Pietenpol But next projet will most likely be stewart systems. Hans NX 15kV -----Original Message----- From: dnboyd1 Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 3:45 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system Getting ready to start covering.... Has anyone any experience with the new Stewart Systems, from Hanger 21? It is non toxic, no chemicals, etc. and you can work indoors. Dave Boyd Champaign, IL 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D -=3D -=3D -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -=3D (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) -=3D -=3D November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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You will be the first Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: GliderMike Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 5:38 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: firewall size It was free to me. I think it is the same titanium used as a fire resistan t nclosure around the APU's in the Bombardier CRJ 200's 50 place regional irliner we fly. Except there is no paperwork to trace this piece back to t he ine the ore came from, so the company can't use it on any of its airplanes. -------- OMEBUILDER ill WORK for Spruce ong flights, smooth air, and soft landings, liderMike, aka Mike Glasgow ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323715#323715 - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system A friend of mine just finished a Rans using the Stewart system. This is his 3rd airplane. He is a perfectionist and his plane is flawless (or at least looks that way). He used Stits on the first 2 and said that the Stewart system has a learning curve, especially on the paint. He hated it and won't ever use it again. However, it turned out great and the plane looks like a show stopper. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Stewart Systems, Hanger 21 Covering system Ecobond is great for gluing on the fabric, no smell and more forgiving than PolyTac. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:43 PM, wrote: Getting ready to start covering.... Has anyone any experience with the new Stewart Systems, from Hanger 21? It is non toxic, no chemicals, etc. and you can work indoors. Dave Boyd Champaign, IL 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" Regards, Jeff ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:50 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Covering question Kerri-Ann Price sells plans foar a no gap design her web site is: http://sites.google.com/site/pietenpolplanpackages/pietenpol-plan-packages/ suppemental-plan-packages Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: cncampbell@windstream.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Covering question I was planning to cover the gap with a strip of aluminum. That could also be the ground plane for a VHF antenna if you planning on having a radio. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Birke Sent: Thursday=2C December 16=2C 2010 10:03 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question We are building an air camper with a three piece wing. according to the pla ns=2C there is a 2-3/8" gap between the wing panel butt rib and the center section butt rib. Since this is the separation point between the two panels =2C what is done with this gap when covering the wing? We don't see any way of supporting the covering at the butt end of the center section. Thanks=2C Jim Birke Ira G. 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