---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/20/10: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Re: Re: Soon will be building (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:49 AM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Charles Campbell) 3. 06:17 AM - Re: Progress Pics (Charles Campbell) 4. 06:39 AM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Jeff wilson) 5. 07:01 AM - Duxford England (TOM STINEMETZE) 6. 07:01 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/19/10 (Chester Peek) 7. 07:35 AM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Bill Church) 8. 07:36 AM - Re: New to List (Woodflier@aol.com) 9. 08:03 AM - Re: Progress Pics (Dangerous Dave) 10. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Ryan Mueller) 11. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Progress Pics (Charles Campbell) 12. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/19/10 (Charles Campbell) 13. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Charles Campbell) 14. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Charles Campbell) 15. 10:25 AM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Bill Church) 16. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivational speach (Jim Boyer) 17. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Jack Phillips) 18. 12:32 PM - Pietenpols flying in or near =?UTF-8?Q?CT=3F? () 19. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Kip and Beth Gardner) 20. 12:38 PM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (kevinpurtee) 21. 12:40 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/19/10 (kevinpurtee) 22. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Don Heringhaus) 23. 01:25 PM - Re: Duxford England (Gboothe5) 24. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Jack Phillips) 25. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Soon will be building (Rick Holland) 26. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Soon will be building (Rick Holland) 27. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Gboothe5) 28. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Soon will be building (Rick Holland) 29. 02:24 PM - Re: Pietenpols flying in or near CT? (Jack Phillips) 30. 03:35 PM - Re: Age thread, Chet Peek (helspersew@aol.com) 31. 03:42 PM - Re: Pietenpols flying in or near CT? (helspersew@aol.com) 32. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (helspersew@aol.com) 33. 04:03 PM - Re: Progress Pics (Rick Holland) 34. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/19/10 (Rick Holland) 35. 05:40 PM - Re: Progress Pics (AlRice) 36. 06:00 PM - Re: Progress Pics (Dangerous Dave) 37. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Soon will be building (Dick N) 38. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Soon will be building (Jeff Boatright) 39. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Jeff Boatright) 40. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: Soon will be building (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Kelly, Even though I am done, I envy you in a lot of ways. Countless enjoyable hou rs of designing and building in front of you. Enjoy every minute of it rath er than rush to get something done. I used my project to learn a great deal on a variety of subjects. Wishing all on this list a very blessed Christmas and Happy New Year ahead. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Klaus Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:13 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building Hey all, would like to wish everyone here a very Merry Christmas! Today I finished building my 2nd 8' work table, and awaiting my spruce from ACS. Will update when it gets in. Cheers! -------- elly Klaus do not archive. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323876#323876 - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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I once owned a Cessna 150 with a Continental O-200 on which I had to have a major overhaul performed. It came back with a new paint job -- gold case and black cylinders. I don't know if it's common practice but I suspect it is. Don't believe the paint would burn off the case. Incidentally, it would have been better had the push rod tubes been painted white to reflect some of the heat from the cylinders. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: r.r.hall@cox.net To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? I wasn't sure if the paint would burn off or not. It is supposed to have a bout 200 hours on it but I haven't seen the logbooks yet. ---- Jack Phillips wrote: > You can=99t tell much from paint. Mycrankcase is black and my cylinders are grey but the whole thing I rebuilt alittle over 200 hours ago. If the pain has burned off, something hasoverheated. What kind of engine is it, and how muchtime does it have on it? Jack Phillips NX899JP =9Cicarus Plummet=9D Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of r.r.hall@cox.net Sent: Sunday, December 19, 20106:16 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do new orrebuilt engines come painted? I have someone trying to sell me an engine but the pictures theysent show the cylinders and pushrod tubes painted black and the case paintedgrey. I am not very familiar with new engines so was wondering if this istypical and would the paint not being burned off mean it is very low time? Rodney Hall http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://forums.================= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:56 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress Pics Is that the 350-degree ironing? Pics are great. How did you fasten the wing tip to the stand? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dangerous Dave" Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress Pics > > Howdy,Covering the wings.Stewart Systems working great!dave > > -------- > Covering Piet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323856#323856 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_19_15_54_41_476_835.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_19_15_54_21_598_184.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_19_10_54_14_220_539.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:50 AM PST US From: Jeff wilson Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? 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Sixteen, count them, 16 Spitfires in the air at the same time. Stinemetze http://www.airshows.org.uk/2010/airshows/duxford-battle-of-britain-airshow- review.html ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/19/10 From: Chester Peek Age comment. I'm 90 and working on my Piet this morning. Chet peek Norman ok Sent from my iPhone On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-12-19&Archive=Pietenpol > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-12-19&Archive=Pietenpol > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 12/19/10: 22 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: Please report in (Charles Campbell) > 2. 12:07 PM - Lower motor mount straps (Jack) > 3. 01:35 PM - New to list (jimisown@aol.com) > 4. 01:55 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps (Charles Campbell) > 5. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivational speach (Jim Boyer) > 6. 02:10 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps (Jim Boyer) > 7. 02:12 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps (Ryan Mueller) > 8. 02:26 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps (Jack) > 9. 02:27 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps (Rick Holland) > 10. 02:29 PM - Re: New to list (Jerry Dotson) > 11. 03:12 PM - Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivational speach (kevinpurtee) > 12. 03:13 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps (Charles Campbell) > 13. 03:21 PM - Happy and Blessed Holidays to all you Piet People (kevinpurtee) > 14. 03:31 PM - Progress Pics (Dangerous Dave) > 15. 04:00 PM - Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? () > 16. 04:22 PM - Fw: Merry Christmas - had to share this one! (airlion) > 17. 04:50 PM - Re: New to list (Jack Phillips) > 18. 05:00 PM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? (Jack Phillips) > 19. 05:08 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps (Jack Phillips) > 20. 05:10 PM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? () > 21. 05:45 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps (Jack) > 22. 07:12 PM - Re: Soon will be building (Kelly Klaus) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:05:24 AM PST US > From: "Charles Campbell" > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in > > By just hanging in there!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Clif Dawson > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in > > > And just how did you get to be so old O ancient and > venerable one? :-) > > Clif > > "Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If > you are alive, it isn't." > ~ Richard Bach > From: Charles Campbell > > > Dan and the rest, you're all just a bunch of children. I have a son > and daughter (twins) who are older than any of you! > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:07:41 PM PST US > From: "Jack" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for > the lower motor mount straps. Neither seems to fit the application well. > It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple of > inches of the lower crosspiece on each end. Not real comfortable with that. > Could others share how they dealt with this part of building? > Thanks, > Jack > > Jack Textor > 29 SW 58th Drive > Des Moines, IA 50312 > www.textors.com > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:35:12 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to list > From: jimisown@aol.com > > > I'm new to the list and while I've been an A and P for 20+ years, I have n > ever built my own plane nor am I a pilot (yet). Are there any builders in t > he Norfolk, Virginia area? > > Fr. Jim Lingenfelter > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:55:55 PM PST US > From: "Charles Campbell" > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > Lower motor mount strapsI'm using the motor mounts designed for the GN > 1. I'll send you copies of my drawings if you want them. I felt the > same way you do about having to cut the cross pieces. My mounts are > completely outside the wood structure. Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:04 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > > The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings > for the lower motor mount straps. Neither seems to fit the application > well. It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a > couple of inches of the lower crosspiece on each end. Not real > comfortable with that. Could others share how they dealt with this part > of building? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Jack Textor > > 29 SW 58th Drive > > Des Moines, IA 50312 > > www.textors.com > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:08:14 PM PST US > From: Jim Boyer > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivational > speach > > > Kevin, > Congratulations on being qualified in the new helicopter. I have been wondering > how you were doing since Arlene and I saw you at Copperstate. > Merry Christmas and Cheers, > Jim > > Do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevinpurtee" > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:22:08 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivational > speach > > > Several years ago a company was offering fuselage kits and they were lovely. > > I looked at the photos and noted that, while beautiful, there were none of my sweat > stains or blood stains anywhere on the fuselage. > > Just wouldn't have been the same. Nothing like building your own airplane, ground > up, from a roll of blueprints. > > Enjoy buildapalooza, John, and all you others. > > (John: officially qual'd in the new machine. Frightening! Back to AZ for instructor > school in January. Doubly frightening!) > > Kevin > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323793#323793 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:10:59 PM PST US > From: Jim Boyer > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > > Hi Jack, > I blocked in the area just above the lower longeron and moved the lower motor mounts > up one inch so I would not have to cut the cross brace. Worked fine. > Cheers, > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack" > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:04:47 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for > the lower motor mount straps. Neither seems to fit the application well. > It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple of > inches of the lower crosspiece on each end. Not real comfortable with that. > Could others share how they dealt with this part of building? > Thanks, > Jack > > Jack Textor > 29 SW 58th Drive > Des Moines, IA 50312 > www.textors.com > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:12:51 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > From: "Ryan Mueller" > > Waiting for a flight, no plans in front of me so goin > g from memory, but I'm pretty sure cutting a slot in > the cross piece is just how you have to do it. That's > how it is on ours, no issues. If I recall that's h > ow most Piets are... > > Ryan > > Ryan Mueller > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Charles Campbell" > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > Lower motor mount straps > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:26:07 PM PST US > From: "Jack" > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > Charles good thought! I have a set and will check it out. > > Thanks > > Jack > > Do not archive > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:05 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > > The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for > the lower motor mount straps. Neither seems to fit the application well. > It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple of > inches of the lower crosspiece on each end. Not real comfortable with that. > Could others share how they dealt with this part of building? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Jack Textor > > 29 SW 58th Drive > > Des Moines, IA 50312 > > www.textors.com > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:27:38 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > From: Rick Holland > > With that big slab of 1/4" floor plywood glued to the lower longerons the > bottom cross brace does not need to contact the longerons, just the floor > and firewall. > > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Jack wrote: > >> The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for >> the lower motor mount straps. Neither seems to fit the application well. >> It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple >> of inches of the lower crosspiece on each end. Not real comfortable with >> that. Could others share how they dealt with this part of building? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jack >> >> Jack Textor >> >> 29 SW 58th Drive >> >> Des Moines, IA 50312 >> >> www.textors.com >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:29:26 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to list > From: "Jerry Dotson" > > > Let me be the first to welcome you to the Pietenpol list. You will find a great > bunch of builders and flyers here. Building can be very rewarding. Lots of experience > here too. We range in age from 13 to somewhere around 80. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323848#323848 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:12:43 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivational > speach > From: "kevinpurtee" > > > "Qualified" is optimistic, Jim, but we'll figure it out. > > Got 4 wing ribs done for the corby while in AZ. Will try for another 4-6 on this > next trip (Jan - Apr). Your taxpayer dollars at work:). > > I've got 3 weeks to fly the plane before I head back out. It's cold enough (with > all due respect to the cold-hardened people of the north) that I'll go light > on that. Gives an opportunity to do some maintenance. > > Happy holidays to you and your family, Jim. > > Kevin > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323853#323853 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:13:54 PM PST US > From: "Charles Campbell" > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > > Wish I had thought of that!!! Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Boyer" > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > >> >> Hi Jack, >> I blocked in the area just above the lower longeron and moved the lower >> motor mounts up one inch so I would not have to cut the cross brace. >> Worked fine. >> Cheers, >> Jim >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jack" >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:04:47 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps >> >> The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for >> the lower motor mount straps. Neither seems to fit the application well. >> It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple >> of >> inches of the lower crosspiece on each end. Not real comfortable with >> that. >> Could others share how they dealt with this part of building? >> Thanks, >> Jack >> >> Jack Textor >> 29 SW 58th Drive >> Des Moines, IA 50312 >> www.textors.com >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:21:02 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy and Blessed Holidays to all you Piet People > From: "kevinpurtee" > > > Pretty sure the thread was coming so I thought I'd start it. The subject says > it all. You guys are great. > > Kevin > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323855#323855 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:31:35 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress Pics > From: "Dangerous Dave" > > > Howdy,Covering the wings.Stewart Systems working great!dave > > -------- > Covering Piet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323856#323856 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_19_15_54_41_476_835.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_19_15_54_21_598_184.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_19_10_54_14_220_539.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:00:20 PM PST US > From: > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? > > > I have someone trying to sell me an engine but the pictures they sent show the > cylinders and pushrod tubes painted black and the case painted grey. I am not > very familiar with new engines so was wondering if this is typical and would the > paint not being burned off mean it is very low time? > Rodney Hall > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:22:16 PM PST US > From: airlion > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Merry Christmas - had to share this one! > > I had to share this with everyone. Merry christmas ya'll. Cheers, Gardiner > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Susan G. Mason > Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 5:12:15 PM > Subject: Fw: Merry Christmas - had to share this one! > > > Saw this and thought of all of us dog lovers!!! > > > ________________________________ > > Hope springs eternal - even for the dogs! Hope you can open this. > > Merry Christmas!!! > >> Click on the dog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 02:34:00 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:50:34 PM PST US > From: "Jack Phillips" > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New to list > > Hi Jim, > > > I'm in Raleigh, NC - not too far away. My Pietenpol is based at Smith > Mountain Lake, VA (W91). Chuck Borsuk is also in the Raleigh area. > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > > Raleigh, NC > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jimisown@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:26 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to list > > > I'm new to the list and while I've been an A and P for 20+ years, I have > never built my own plane nor am I a pilot (yet). Are there any builders in > the Norfolk, Virginia area? > > Fr. Jim Lingenfelter > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:00:13 PM PST US > From: "Jack Phillips" > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? > > You can't tell much from paint. My crankcase is black and my cylinders are > grey but the whole thing I rebuilt a little over 200 hours ago. If the pain > has burned off, something has overheated. > > > What kind of engine is it, and how much time does it have on it? > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP "icarus Plummet" > > Raleigh, NC > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > r.r.hall@cox.net > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:16 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? > > > I have someone trying to sell me an engine but the pictures they sent show > the cylinders and pushrod tubes painted black and the case painted grey. I > am not very familiar with new engines so was wondering if this is typical > and would the paint not being burned off mean it is very low time? > > Rodney Hall > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:08:18 PM PST US > From: "Jack Phillips" > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > Jack, > > > As others have said, the cross brace contributes little strength in that > area, as long as it is glued well to the floorbard and firewall plywood. > Just cut it to get it out of the way and give yourself room for the fitting > and its mounting bolts. > > > Good luck! > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" > > Raleigh, NC > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:05 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps > > > The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for > the lower motor mount straps. Neither seems to fit the application well. > It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple of > inches of the lower crosspiece on each end. Not real comfortable with that. > Could others share how they dealt with this part of building? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Jack Textor > > 29 SW 58th Drive > > Des Moines, IA 50312 > > www.textors.com > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:10:27 PM PST US > From: > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted? > > > I wasn't sure if the paint would burn off or not. 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________________________________  Message 7  _____________________________________


Time: 07:35:14 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
From: "Bill Church" 


Call me ignorant, but why would anyone want to reflect the heat from the cylinders.
That would mean sending the heat back to the cylinders. Why would anyone
want to do that?
(I'm guessing that I've misunderstood what you were saying)

Bill C. 

Chuck wrote:

"Incidentally, it would have been better had the push rod tubes been painted white
to reflect some of the heat from the cylinders."


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________________________________  Message 8  _____________________________________


Time: 07:36:48 AM PST US
From: Woodflier@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to List

Jim, I'm in Lexington, VA - other side of the state but about 3 hours up  
I-64. I'm almost done on my project but you're welcome to come visit any 
time.  Might be better once the snow melts and we can get down to the hangar 
where the  fuselage is right now but let me know.

Matt Paxton
_woodflier@aol.com_ (mailto:woodflier@aol.com) 

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Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to  list


I'm new to the list and while I've been an A and P for 20+  years, I have
never built my own plane nor am I a pilot (yet). Are there any  builders in
the Norfolk, Virginia area?

Fr. Jim Lingenfelter


________________________________  Message 9  _____________________________________


Time: 08:03:35 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Pics
From: "Dangerous Dave" 


The ironing is at 250 the new iron wouldn't go hi enough,had to got to the thrift
store for an old one.I drilled in a 5/16 hole in the bow and put in a 1/4"
T nut fastened with 3 #4 stainless 1/2" screws.Works great.Took all of 1/2 an
hour to fab the stands and it beats doing it any other way.Dave

--------
Covering Piet


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________________________________  Message 10  ____________________________________


Time: 08:03:36 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
From: Ryan Mueller 

Bill,

It's a technique used on the Corvair conversions to mitigate the heating of
the oil that is returning to the crankcase from the cylinder heads via the
pushrod tubes. The tubes get plenty warm underneath the heads, especially
being so close to the exhaust stacks. Considering the Corvair already needs
an oil cooler, it certainly can't hurt.

You could do it on a small Continental, but it's not needed. A more "spread
out" design and plenty of cooling capacity when properly baffled makes
it unnecessary.

Ryan

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Bill Church  wrote:

> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Call me ignorant, but why would anyone want to reflect the heat from the
> cylinders. That would mean sending the heat back to the cylinders. Why would
> anyone want to do that?
> (I'm guessing that I've misunderstood what you were saying)
>
> Bill C.
>
> Chuck wrote:
>
> "Incidentally, it would have been better had the push rod tubes been
> painted white to reflect some of the heat from the cylinders."
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323896#323896
>
>

________________________________  Message 11  ____________________________________


Time: 09:50:26 AM PST US
From: "Charles Campbell" 
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Pics


Tlhanks, This will go in MY archives.  Chuck


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dangerous Dave" 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Pics


>
> The ironing is at 250 the new iron wouldn't go hi enough,had to got to the 
> thrift store for an old one.I drilled in a 5/16 hole in the bow and put in 
> a 1/4" T nut fastened with 3 #4 stainless 1/2" screws.Works great.Took all 
> of 1/2 an hour to fab the stands and it beats doing it any other way.Dave
>
> --------
> Covering Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323900#323900
>
>
> 


________________________________  Message 12  ____________________________________


Time: 09:52:53 AM PST US
From: "Charles Campbell" 
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/19/10


Chester has me beat.  I'm not quite that old.  If I get to Brodhead this 
year I'll tell then.  Chuck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chester Peek" 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/19/10


>
> Age comment. I'm 90 and working on my Piet this morning. Chet peek Norman 
> ok
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server 
>  wrote:
>
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>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>>     1. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: Please report in  (Charles Campbell)
>>     2. 12:07 PM - Lower motor mount straps  (Jack)
>>     3. 01:35 PM - New to list  (jimisown@aol.com)
>>     4. 01:55 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Charles Campbell)
>>     5. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza 
>> motivational speach  (Jim Boyer)
>>     6. 02:10 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Jim Boyer)
>>     7. 02:12 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Ryan Mueller)
>>     8. 02:26 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Jack)
>>     9. 02:27 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Rick Holland)
>>    10. 02:29 PM - Re: New to list  (Jerry Dotson)
>>    11. 03:12 PM - Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza 
>> motivational speach  (kevinpurtee)
>>    12. 03:13 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Charles Campbell)
>>    13. 03:21 PM - Happy and Blessed Holidays to all you Piet People 
>> (kevinpurtee)
>>    14. 03:31 PM - Progress Pics  (Dangerous Dave)
>>    15. 04:00 PM - Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?  ()
>>    16. 04:22 PM - Fw: Merry Christmas - had to share this one!  (airlion)
>>    17. 04:50 PM - Re: New to list  (Jack Phillips)
>>    18. 05:00 PM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?  (Jack 
>> Phillips)
>>    19. 05:08 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Jack Phillips)
>>    20. 05:10 PM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?  ()
>>    21. 05:45 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Jack)
>>    22. 07:12 PM - Re: Soon will be building  (Kelly Klaus)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 1 
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:05:24 AM PST US
>> From: "Charles Campbell" 
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in
>>
>> By just hanging in there!!!
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Clif Dawson
>>  To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>  Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 4:55 PM
>>  Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in
>>
>>
>>  And just how did you get to be so old O ancient and
>>  venerable one? :-)
>>
>>  Clif
>>
>>  "Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If
>> you are alive, it isn't."
>>  ~ Richard Bach
>>    From: Charles Campbell
>>
>>
>>    Dan and the rest, you're all just a bunch of children.  I have a son
>> and daughter (twins) who are older than any of you!
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 2 
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 12:07:41 PM PST US
>> From: "Jack" 
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>> The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
>> the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
>> It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple 
>> of
>> inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with 
>> that.
>> Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>> Jack Textor
>> 29 SW 58th Drive
>> Des Moines, IA 50312
>> www.textors.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 3 
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 01:35:12 PM PST US
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to list
>> From: jimisown@aol.com
>>
>>
>> I'm new to the list and while I've been an A and P for 20+ years, I have 
>> n
>> ever built my own plane nor am I a pilot (yet). Are there any builders in 
>> t
>> he Norfolk, Virginia area?
>>
>> Fr. Jim Lingenfelter
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 4 
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 01:55:55 PM PST US
>> From: "Charles Campbell" 
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>> Lower motor mount strapsI'm using the motor mounts designed for the GN
>> 1.  I'll send you copies of my drawings if you want them.  I felt the
>> same way you do about having to cut the cross pieces.  My mounts are
>> completely outside the wood structure.  Chuck
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Jack
>>  To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>  Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:04 PM
>>  Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>>
>>  The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings
>> for the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application
>> well.  It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a
>> couple of inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real
>> comfortable with that.  Could others share how they dealt with this part
>> of building?
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  Jack
>>
>>  Jack Textor
>>
>>  29 SW 58th Drive
>>
>>  Des Moines, IA 50312
>>
>>  www.textors.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 5 
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 02:08:14 PM PST US
>> From: Jim Boyer 
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza 
>> motivational
>> speach
>>
>>
>> Kevin,
>> Congratulations on being qualified in the new helicopter. I have been 
>> wondering
>> how you were doing since Arlene and I saw you at Copperstate.
>> Merry Christmas and Cheers,
>> Jim
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "kevinpurtee" 
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:22:08 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza 
>> motivational
>> speach
>>
>>
>> Several years ago a company was offering fuselage kits and they were 
>> lovely.
>>
>> I looked at the photos and noted that, while beautiful, there were none 
>> of my sweat
>> stains or blood stains anywhere on the fuselage.
>>
>> Just wouldn't have been the same.  Nothing like building your own 
>> airplane, ground
>> up, from a roll of blueprints.
>>
>> Enjoy buildapalooza, John, and all you others.
>>
>> (John: officially qual'd in the new machine.  Frightening!  Back to AZ 
>> for instructor
>> school in January.  Doubly frightening!)
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
>> NX899KP
>> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323793#323793
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 6 
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 02:10:59 PM PST US
>> From: Jim Boyer 
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>>
>> Hi Jack,
>> I blocked in the area just above the lower longeron and moved the lower 
>> motor mounts
>> up one inch so I would not have to cut the cross brace. Worked fine.
>> Cheers,
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jack" 
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:04:47 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>> The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
>> the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
>> It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple 
>> of
>> inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with 
>> that.
>> Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>> Jack Textor
>> 29 SW 58th Drive
>> Des Moines, IA 50312
>> www.textors.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 7 
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 02:12:51 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>> From: "Ryan Mueller" 
>>
>> Waiting for a flight, no plans in front of me so goin
>> g from memory, but I'm pretty sure cutting a slot in
>> the cross piece is just how you have to do it. That's
>> how it is on ours, no issues. If I recall that's h
>> ow most Piets are...
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> Ryan Mueller
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Charles Campbell" 
>> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> Lower motor mount straps
>>
>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 8 
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 02:26:07 PM PST US
>> From: "Jack" 
>> Subject: RE:  Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>> Charles good thought!  I have a set and will check it out.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:05 PM
>> Subject:  Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>>
>> The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
>> the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
>> It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple 
>> of
>> inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with 
>> that.
>> Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> Jack Textor
>>
>> 29 SW 58th Drive
>>
>> Des Moines, IA 50312
>>
>> www.textors.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 9 
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 02:27:38 PM PST US
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>> From: Rick Holland 
>>
>> With that big slab of 1/4" floor plywood glued to the lower longerons the
>> bottom cross brace does not need to contact the longerons, just the floor
>> and firewall.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Jack  wrote:
>>
>>> The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings 
>>> for
>>> the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application 
>>> well.
>>> It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple
>>> of inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable 
>>> with
>>> that.  Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> Jack Textor
>>>
>>> 29 SW 58th Drive
>>>
>>> Des Moines, IA 50312
>>>
>>> www.textors.com
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Rick Holland
>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>
>> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 10 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 02:29:26 PM PST US
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to list
>> From: "Jerry Dotson" 
>>
>>
>> Let me be the first to welcome you to the Pietenpol list. You will find a 
>> great
>> bunch of builders and flyers here. Building can be very rewarding. Lots 
>> of experience
>> here too. We range in age from 13 to somewhere around 80.
>>
>> --------
>> Jerry Dotson
>> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
>> Baker, FL 32531
>>
>> Started building  NX510JD  July, 2009
>> wing, tailfeathers done
>> using Lycoming O-235
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323848#323848
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 11 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:12:43 PM PST US
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza 
>> motivational
>> speach
>> From: "kevinpurtee" 
>>
>>
>> "Qualified" is optimistic, Jim, but we'll figure it out.
>>
>> Got 4 wing ribs done for the corby while in AZ.  Will try for another 4-6 
>> on this
>> next trip (Jan - Apr).  Your taxpayer dollars at work:).
>>
>> I've got 3 weeks to fly the plane before I head back out.  It's cold 
>> enough (with
>> all due respect to the cold-hardened people of the north) that I'll go 
>> light
>> on that.  Gives an opportunity to do some maintenance.
>>
>> Happy holidays to you and your family, Jim.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
>> NX899KP
>> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323853#323853
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 12 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:13:54 PM PST US
>> From: "Charles Campbell" 
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>>
>> Wish I had thought of that!!!  Chuck
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim Boyer" 
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jack,
>>> I blocked in the area just above the lower longeron and moved the lower
>>> motor mounts up one inch so I would not have to cut the cross brace.
>>> Worked fine.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jack" 
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:04:47 PM
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>>
>>> The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings 
>>> for
>>> the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application 
>>> well.
>>> It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple
>>> of
>>> inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with
>>> that.
>>> Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> Jack Textor
>>> 29 SW 58th Drive
>>> Des Moines, IA 50312
>>> www.textors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 13 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:21:02 PM PST US
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy and Blessed Holidays to all you Piet 
>> People
>> From: "kevinpurtee" 
>>
>>
>> Pretty sure the thread was coming so I thought I'd start it.  The subject 
>> says
>> it all.  You guys are great.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
>> NX899KP
>> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323855#323855
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 14 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 03:31:35 PM PST US
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress Pics
>> From: "Dangerous Dave" 
>>
>>
>> Howdy,Covering the wings.Stewart Systems working great!dave
>>
>> --------
>> Covering Piet
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323856#323856
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_19_15_54_41_476_835.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_19_15_54_21_598_184.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_19_10_54_14_220_539.jpg
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 15 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 04:00:20 PM PST US
>> From: 
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
>>
>>
>> I have someone trying to sell me an engine but the pictures they sent 
>> show the
>> cylinders and pushrod tubes painted black and the case painted grey. I am 
>> not
>> very familiar with new engines so was wondering if this is typical and 
>> would the
>> paint not being burned off mean it is very low time?
>> Rodney Hall
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 16 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 04:22:16 PM PST US
>> From: airlion 
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Merry Christmas - had to share this one!
>>
>> I had to share this with everyone. Merry christmas ya'll. Cheers, 
>> Gardiner
>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message ----
>> From: Susan G. Mason 
>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 5:12:15 PM
>> Subject: Fw: Merry Christmas - had to share this one!
>>
>>
>> Saw this and thought  of all of us dog lovers!!!
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> Hope springs eternal - even  for the dogs! Hope you can open this.
>>
>> Merry  Christmas!!!
>>
>>> Click on the dog
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>
>> No  virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> 02:34:00
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 17 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 04:50:34 PM PST US
>> From: "Jack Phillips" 
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New to list
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>>
>> I'm in Raleigh, NC - not too far away.   My Pietenpol is based at Smith
>> Mountain Lake, VA (W91).  Chuck Borsuk is also in the Raleigh area.
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> jimisown@aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:26 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to list
>>
>>
>> I'm new to the list and while I've been an A and P for 20+ years, I have
>> never built my own plane nor am I a pilot (yet). Are there any builders 
>> in
>> the Norfolk, Virginia area?
>>
>> Fr. Jim Lingenfelter
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 18 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:00:13 PM PST US
>> From: "Jack Phillips" 
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
>>
>> You can't tell much from paint.  My crankcase is black and my cylinders 
>> are
>> grey but the whole thing I rebuilt a little over 200 hours ago.  If the 
>> pain
>> has burned off, something has overheated.
>>
>>
>> What kind of engine is it, and how much time does it have on it?
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP  "icarus Plummet"
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> r.r.hall@cox.net
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:16 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
>>
>>
>> I have someone trying to sell me an engine but the pictures they sent 
>> show
>> the cylinders and pushrod tubes painted black and the case painted grey. 
>> I
>> am not very familiar with new engines so was wondering if this is typical
>> and would the paint not being burned off mean it is very low time?
>>
>> Rodney Hall
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 19 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:08:18 PM PST US
>> From: "Jack Phillips" 
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>>
>> As others have said, the cross brace contributes little strength in that
>> area, as long as it is glued well to the floorbard and firewall plywood.
>> Just cut it to get it out of the way and give yourself room for the 
>> fitting
>> and its mounting bolts.
>>
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:05 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
>>
>>
>> The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
>> the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
>> It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple 
>> of
>> inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with 
>> that.
>> Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> Jack Textor
>>
>> 29 SW 58th Drive
>>
>> Des Moines, IA 50312
>>
>> www.textors.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________  Message 20 
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:10:27 PM PST US
>> From: 
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
>>
>>
>> I wasn't sure if the paint would burn off or not. It is supposed to have 
>> a
>> bout 200 hours on it but I haven't seen the logbooks yet.
>>
>> ---- Jack Phillips  wrote:
>>>
>> You can=99t tell much from paint.=C2- Mycrankcase is black and my c
>> ylinders are grey but the whole thing I rebuilt alittle over 200 hours 
>> ago.
>> =C2- If the pain has burned off, something hasoverheated.
>> =C2-
>> What kind of engine is it, and how muchtime does it have on it?
>> =C2-
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP=C2- =9Cicarus Plummet=9D
>> Raleigh, NC
>> =C2-
>> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-
>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of r.r.hall@cox.net
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 20106:16 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do new orrebuilt engines come painted?
>> =C2-
>> I have someone trying to sell me an engine but the pictures theysent show 
>> t
>> he cylinders and pushrod tubes painted black and the case paintedgrey. I 
>> am
>> not very familiar with new engines so was wondering if this istypical and
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>>
>> do not archive.
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
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________________________________  Message 13  ____________________________________


Time: 09:57:38 AM PST US
From: "Charles Campbell" 
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


I guess what I meant was it reflects heat away from the pushrods and 
associated parts.  William Wynne recommends coating the pushrod tubes with 
white paint -- I've forgotten why but he's the engine guru.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Church" 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


> 
>
> Call me ignorant, but why would anyone want to reflect the heat from the 
> cylinders. That would mean sending the heat back to the cylinders. Why 
> would anyone want to do that?
> (I'm guessing that I've misunderstood what you were saying)
>
> Bill C.
>
> Chuck wrote:
>
> "Incidentally, it would have been better had the push rod tubes been 
> painted white to reflect some of the heat from the cylinders."
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323896#323896
>
>
> 


________________________________  Message 14  ____________________________________


Time: 10:01:34 AM PST US
From: "Charles Campbell" 
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


Bill, Ryan said it better that I did.  I don't know from small Continentals
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Church" 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


> 
>
> Call me ignorant, but why would anyone want to reflect the heat from the 
> cylinders. That would mean sending the heat back to the cylinders. Why 
> would anyone want to do that?
> (I'm guessing that I've misunderstood what you were saying)
>
> Bill C.
>
> Chuck wrote:
>
> "Incidentally, it would have been better had the push rod tubes been 
> painted white to reflect some of the heat from the cylinders."
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323896#323896
>
>
> 


________________________________  Message 15  ____________________________________


Time: 10:25:31 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
From: "Bill Church" 


Okay, I get it. The reflecting you're referring to is AWAY from the pushrod tubes,
not necessarily back at the cylinders (even though that's where some of it
will go). So, paint the pushrod tubes white IF you're using a Corvair.
I know I've read about oil temperature issues with some Corvair installations,
so probably every little bit should help. Never heard of this idea for Continentals,
though. Like Ryan says, the configurations are different, with more clearance
on the Continentals.

Bill C.


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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323922#323922


________________________________  Message 16  ____________________________________


Time: 11:14:51 AM PST US
From: Jim Boyer 
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza  motivational
speach


Kevin, sounds like you are making good progress on the Corby wind ribs. Having
to make a new jig for each pair of ribs sounds like a tedious job.
Good luck on the helicopter work and have a very good Christmas and New Years.
Jim

Do not archive


----- Original Message -----
From: "kevinpurtee" 
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:10:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivational
speach


"Qualified" is optimistic, Jim, but we'll figure it out.  

Got 4 wing ribs done for the corby while in AZ.  Will try for another 4-6 on this
next trip (Jan - Apr).  Your taxpayer dollars at work:).

I've got 3 weeks to fly the plane before I head back out.  It's cold enough (with
all due respect to the cold-hardened people of the north) that I'll go light
on that.  Gives an opportunity to do some maintenance.

Happy holidays to you and your family, Jim.

Kevin

do not archive

--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX


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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323853#323853


________________________________  Message 17  ____________________________________


Time: 11:59:55 AM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" 
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


Not necessary on real aircraft engines.  Corvairs require all the help they
can get. :)


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?



I guess what I meant was it reflects heat away from the pushrods and 
associated parts.  William Wynne recommends coating the pushrod tubes with 
white paint -- I've forgotten why but he's the engine guru.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Church" 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


> 
>
> Call me ignorant, but why would anyone want to reflect the heat from the 
> cylinders. That would mean sending the heat back to the cylinders. Why 
> would anyone want to do that?
> (I'm guessing that I've misunderstood what you were saying)
>
> Bill C.
>
> Chuck wrote:
>
> "Incidentally, it would have been better had the push rod tubes been 
> painted white to reflect some of the heat from the cylinders."
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323896#323896
>
>
> 


________________________________  Message 18  ____________________________________


Time: 12:32:31 PM PST US
From: 
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols flying in or near =?UTF-8?Q?CT=3F?


I'm new to the list, a lurker really. I'm looking at starting a
Pietenpol with the long fuselage, 3 part wing, C65 engine (or VW w/
redrive), more conventional J3 style gear, and a few more modern
components. 

I'm moving to CT in 2 weeks to live for the next 2-3 years. Are there
any flying Piet's in that area? Anyone mind me coming by to gawk at
their plane and sit in it to see how it feels?

-Jeff


________________________________  Message 19  ____________________________________


Time: 12:33:26 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
From: Kip and Beth Gardner 


Just can't resist, can you Jack? :)

Do not archive.

Kip Gardner (Corvair builder)

On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:

> 
> Not necessary on real aircraft engines.  Corvairs require all the help they
> can get. :)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Campbell
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:54 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
> 
> 
> 
> I guess what I meant was it reflects heat away from the pushrods and 
> associated parts.  William Wynne recommends coating the pushrod tubes with 
> white paint -- I've forgotten why but he's the engine guru.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Church" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Call me ignorant, but why would anyone want to reflect the heat from the 
>> cylinders. That would mean sending the heat back to the cylinders. Why 
>> would anyone want to do that?
>> (I'm guessing that I've misunderstood what you were saying)
>> 
>> Bill C.
>> 
>> Chuck wrote:
>> 
>> "Incidentally, it would have been better had the push rod tubes been 
>> painted white to reflect some of the heat from the cylinders."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Read this topic online here:
>> 
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323896#323896
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


________________________________  Message 20  ____________________________________


Time: 12:38:38 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
From: "kevinpurtee" 


SNAP!

"Crap!"

:)

do not archive

--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX


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________________________________  Message 21  ____________________________________


Time: 12:40:34 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/19/10
From: "kevinpurtee" 


You're my hero, Chet!

Love your books.

do not archive

--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX


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________________________________  Message 22  ____________________________________


Time: 01:04:16 PM PST US
From: "Don Heringhaus" 
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?

He just never flew behine a good engine 


________________________________  Message 23  ____________________________________


Time: 01:25:18 PM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" 
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Duxford England

Thanks, Tom!!

Gary Boothe

Do not archive


From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Duxford England


Just in case there might be one or two of you on the list that like to watch
airplanes in flight - here is a link to the annual Duxford Airshow.
Sixteen, count them, 16 Spitfires in the air at the same time.

Stinemetze

http://www.airshows.org.uk/2010/airshows/duxford-battle-of-britain-airshow-r
eview.html


________________________________  Message 24  ____________________________________


Time: 01:48:30 PM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" 
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


I try.  I really do!

I understand the FAA is considering changing their ruling on the 2"
"Experimental" placard required on all homebuilts without the NX
registration.  They have decided that anything powered by a Corvair needs
the word "EXPERIMENTAL" in 12" letters on both sides of the cockpit

Jack

Do Not Archive

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth
Gardner
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?



Just can't resist, can you Jack? :)

Do not archive.

Kip Gardner (Corvair builder)

On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:


> 
> Not necessary on real aircraft engines.  Corvairs require all the help
they
> can get. :)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Campbell
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:54 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
> 
> 
> 
> I guess what I meant was it reflects heat away from the pushrods and 
> associated parts.  William Wynne recommends coating the pushrod tubes with

> white paint -- I've forgotten why but he's the engine guru.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Church" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Call me ignorant, but why would anyone want to reflect the heat from the 
>> cylinders. That would mean sending the heat back to the cylinders. Why 
>> would anyone want to do that?
>> (I'm guessing that I've misunderstood what you were saying)
>> 
>> Bill C.
>> 
>> Chuck wrote:
>> 
>> "Incidentally, it would have been better had the push rod tubes been 
>> painted white to reflect some of the heat from the cylinders."
>> 
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>> 
>> Read this topic online here:
>> 
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323896#323896
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________________________________  Message 25  ____________________________________


Time: 02:08:29 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building
From: Rick Holland 

Dan, you could always build a second Piet like Dick N. did. The best of both
worlds, one to fly and another to build.

rick

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:32 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Kelly,
>
> Even though I am done, I envy you in a lot of ways. Countless enjoyable
> hours of designing and building in front of you. Enjoy every minute of it
> rather than rush to get something done. I used my project to learn a great
> deal on a variety of subjects.
>
> Wishing all on this list a very blessed Christmas and Happy New Year ahead.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>

-- 
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado

"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"

________________________________  Message 26  ____________________________________


Time: 02:08:30 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building
From: Rick Holland 

Dan, you could always build a second Piet like Dick N. did. The best of both
worlds, one to fly and another to build.

rick

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:32 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Kelly,
>
> Even though I am done, I envy you in a lot of ways. Countless enjoyable
> hours of designing and building in front of you. Enjoy every minute of it
> rather than rush to get something done. I used my project to learn a great
> deal on a variety of subjects.
>
> Wishing all on this list a very blessed Christmas and Happy New Year ahead.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>

-- 
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado

"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"

________________________________  Message 27  ____________________________________


Time: 02:08:38 PM PST US
From: "Gboothe5" 
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


Glad to hear they deleted "EXTRA-" in front of EXPERIMENTAL...that's
progress...

Gary Boothe
Do not archive

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?



I try.  I really do!

I understand the FAA is considering changing their ruling on the 2"
"Experimental" placard required on all homebuilts without the NX
registration.  They have decided that anything powered by a Corvair needs
the word "EXPERIMENTAL" in 12" letters on both sides of the cockpit

Jack

Do Not Archive

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kip and Beth
Gardner
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?



Just can't resist, can you Jack? :)

Do not archive.

Kip Gardner (Corvair builder)

On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:


> 
> Not necessary on real aircraft engines.  Corvairs require all the help
they
> can get. :)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Campbell
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:54 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
> 
> 
> 
> I guess what I meant was it reflects heat away from the pushrods and 
> associated parts.  William Wynne recommends coating the pushrod tubes with

> white paint -- I've forgotten why but he's the engine guru.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Church" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Call me ignorant, but why would anyone want to reflect the heat from the 
>> cylinders. That would mean sending the heat back to the cylinders. Why 
>> would anyone want to do that?
>> (I'm guessing that I've misunderstood what you were saying)
>> 
>> Bill C.
>> 
>> Chuck wrote:
>> 
>> "Incidentally, it would have been better had the push rod tubes been 
>> painted white to reflect some of the heat from the cylinders."
>> 
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>> 
>> Read this topic online here:
>> 
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323896#323896
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________________________________  Message 28  ____________________________________


Time: 02:08:40 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building
From: Rick Holland 

Dan, you could always build a second Piet like Dick N. did. The best of both
worlds, one to fly and another to build.

rick

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:32 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Kelly,
>
> Even though I am done, I envy you in a lot of ways. Countless enjoyable
> hours of designing and building in front of you. Enjoy every minute of it
> rather than rush to get something done. I used my project to learn a great
> deal on a variety of subjects.
>
> Wishing all on this list a very blessed Christmas and Happy New Year ahead.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>

-- 
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado

"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"

________________________________  Message 29  ____________________________________


Time: 02:24:13 PM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" 
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols flying in or near CT?


Congratulations Jeff, and welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols.  As
with every new Pietenpol builder, I strongly urge you to acquire the four
Tony Bingelis books from EAA.  There you will find the answers to most of
your questions on how to build an airplane.  The rest can be answered here.

Good luck.  I like your engine choice (the Continental, not the VW.  Car
engines should never get more than about 20" above the road.

Jack Phillips
NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jeff@ereksonfamily.org
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols flying in or near CT?


I'm new to the list, a lurker really. I'm looking at starting a
Pietenpol with the long fuselage, 3 part wing, C65 engine (or VW w/
redrive), more conventional J3 style gear, and a few more modern
components. 

I'm moving to CT in 2 weeks to live for the next 2-3 years. Are there
any flying Piet's in that area? Anyone mind me coming by to gawk at
their plane and sit in it to see how it feels?

-Jeff


________________________________  Message 30  ____________________________________


Time: 03:35:20 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:  Age thread, Chet Peek
From: helspersew@aol.com


Hi Chet,

Absolutely loved your book, The Pietenpol Story.  https://www.aircraftspruc
e.com/catalog/bvpages/pietenpolStory.php    Should be required reading for 
all on this list. We need to know the history behind the man and the airpla
ne. It makes the journey much more meaningful and enjoyable. Keep at it, an
d I look forward to seeing you and your wife at Brodhead 2011. 

With utmost respect.

Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.


-----Original Message-----
From: Chester Peek 
Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:01 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/19/10


Age comment. I'm 90 and working on my Piet this morning. Chet peek Norman o
k
Sent from my iPhone
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 Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: Please report in  (Charles Campbell)
     2. 12:07 PM - Lower motor mount straps  (Jack)
     3. 01:35 PM - New to list  (jimisown@aol.com)
     4. 01:55 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Charles Campbell)
     5. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivati
onal 
peach  (Jim Boyer)
     6. 02:10 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Jim Boyer)
     7. 02:12 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Ryan Mueller)
     8. 02:26 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Jack)
     9. 02:27 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Rick Holland)
    10. 02:29 PM - Re: New to list  (Jerry Dotson)
    11. 03:12 PM - Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza motivational

peach  (kevinpurtee)
    12. 03:13 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Charles Campbell)
    13. 03:21 PM - Happy and Blessed Holidays to all you Piet People  
kevinpurtee)
    14. 03:31 PM - Progress Pics  (Dangerous Dave)
    15. 04:00 PM - Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?  ()
    16. 04:22 PM - Fw: Merry Christmas - had to share this one!  (airlion)
    17. 04:50 PM - Re: New to list  (Jack Phillips)
    18. 05:00 PM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?  (Jack Phill
ips)
    19. 05:08 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Jack Phillips)
    20. 05:10 PM - Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?  ()
    21. 05:45 PM - Re: Lower motor mount straps  (Jack)
    22. 07:12 PM - Re: Soon will be building  (Kelly Klaus)


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 Time: 05:05:24 AM PST US
 From: "Charles Campbell" 
 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in

 By just hanging in there!!!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Clif Dawson 
  To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 4:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please report in


  And just how did you get to be so old O ancient and
  venerable one? :-)

  Clif

  "Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If 
 you are alive, it isn't." 
  ~ Richard Bach 
    From: Charles Campbell 


    Dan and the rest, you're all just a bunch of children.  I have a son 
 and daughter (twins) who are older than any of you!


 ________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________
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 Time: 12:07:41 PM PST US
 From: "Jack" 
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps

 The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
 the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
 It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple o
f
 inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with tha
t.
 Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?
 Thanks,
 Jack

 Jack Textor
 29 SW 58th Drive
 Des Moines, IA 50312
 www.textors.com


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 Time: 01:35:12 PM PST US
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to list
 From: jimisown@aol.com


 I'm new to the list and while I've been an A and P for 20+ years, I have n
 ever built my own plane nor am I a pilot (yet). Are there any builders in 
t
 he Norfolk, Virginia area?

 Fr. Jim Lingenfelter


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 Time: 01:55:55 PM PST US
 From: "Charles Campbell" 
 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps

 Lower motor mount strapsI'm using the motor mounts designed for the GN 
 1.  I'll send you copies of my drawings if you want them.  I felt the 
 same way you do about having to cut the cross pieces.  My mounts are 
 completely outside the wood structure.  Chuck
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jack 
  To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:04 PM
  Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps


  The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings 
 for the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application 
 well.  It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a

 couple of inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real 
 comfortable with that.  Could others share how they dealt with this part

 of building?

  Thanks,

  Jack

  Jack Textor

  29 SW 58th Drive

  Des Moines, IA 50312

  www.textors.com


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 Time: 02:08:14 PM PST US
 From: Jim Boyer 
 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza 

otivational
 speach


 Kevin,
 Congratulations on being qualified in the new helicopter. I have been 
ondering
 how you were doing since Arlene and I saw you at Copperstate.
 Merry Christmas and Cheers,
 Jim

 Do not archive


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "kevinpurtee" 
 Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:22:08 PM
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza 
otivational
 speach


 Several years ago a company was offering fuselage kits and they were lovel
y.  

 I looked at the photos and noted that, while beautiful, there were none of
 my 
weat
 stains or blood stains anywhere on the fuselage.  

 Just wouldn't have been the same.  Nothing like building your own airplane
, 
round
 up, from a roll of blueprints.

 Enjoy buildapalooza, John, and all you others.

 (John: officially qual'd in the new machine.  Frightening!  Back to AZ for

nstructor
 school in January.  Doubly frightening!)

 Kevin

 do not archive

 --------
 Kevin "Axel" Purtee
 NX899KP
 Austin/Georgetown, TX


 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323793#323793


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 Time: 02:10:59 PM PST US
 From: Jim Boyer 
 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps


 Hi Jack,
 I blocked in the area just above the lower longeron and moved the lower mo
tor 
ounts
 up one inch so I would not have to cut the cross brace. Worked fine.
 Cheers,
 Jim


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Jack" 
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:04:47 PM
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps

 The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
 the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
 It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple o
f
 inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with tha
t.
 Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?
 Thanks,
 Jack

 Jack Textor
 29 SW 58th Drive
 Des Moines, IA 50312
 www.textors.com


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 Time: 02:12:51 PM PST US
 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
 From: "Ryan Mueller" 

 Waiting for a flight, no plans in front of me so goin
 g from memory, but I'm pretty sure cutting a slot in 
 the cross piece is just how you have to do it. That's
 how it is on ours, no issues. If I recall that's h
 ow most Piets are...

 Ryan 

 Ryan Mueller


 -----Original Message-----
 From: "Charles Campbell" 
 Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
 Lower motor mount straps

 This is a multi-part message in MIME format.


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 Time: 02:26:07 PM PST US
 From: "Jack" 
 Subject: RE:  Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps

 Charles good thought!  I have a set and will check it out.

 Thanks

 Jack

 Do not archive


  _____  

 From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
 [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:05 PM
 Subject:  Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps


 The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
 the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
 It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple o
f
 inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with tha
t.
 Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?

 Thanks,

 Jack

 Jack Textor

 29 SW 58th Drive

 Des Moines, IA 50312

 www.textors.com


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 Time: 02:27:38 PM PST US
 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
 From: Rick Holland 

 With that big slab of 1/4" floor plywood glued to the lower longerons the
 bottom cross brace does not need to contact the longerons, just the floor
 and firewall.


 On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Jack  wrote:

> The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
> the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
> It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple
> of inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with
> that.  Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jack
> 
> Jack Textor
> 
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> 
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> 
> www.textors.com
> 
> *
> 
> 


 -- 
 Rick Holland
 Castle Rock, Colorado

 "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"

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 Time: 02:29:26 PM PST US
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to list
 From: "Jerry Dotson" 


 Let me be the first to welcome you to the Pietenpol list. You will find a

reat
 bunch of builders and flyers here. Building can be very rewarding. Lots of

xperience
 here too. We range in age from 13 to somewhere around 80.

 --------
 Jerry Dotson
 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
 Baker, FL 32531

 Started building  NX510JD  July, 2009
 wing, tailfeathers done
 using Lycoming O-235


 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323848#323848


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 Time: 03:12:43 PM PST US
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8 hours and counting down buildapalooza 
otivational
 speach
 From: "kevinpurtee" 


 "Qualified" is optimistic, Jim, but we'll figure it out.  

 Got 4 wing ribs done for the corby while in AZ.  Will try for another 4-6 
on 
his
 next trip (Jan - Apr).  Your taxpayer dollars at work:).

 I've got 3 weeks to fly the plane before I head back out.  It's cold enoug
h 
with
 all due respect to the cold-hardened people of the north) that I'll go lig
ht
 on that.  Gives an opportunity to do some maintenance.

 Happy holidays to you and your family, Jim.

 Kevin

 do not archive

 --------
 Kevin "Axel" Purtee
 NX899KP
 Austin/Georgetown, TX


 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323853#323853


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 Time: 03:13:54 PM PST US
 From: "Charles Campbell" 
 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps


 Wish I had thought of that!!!  Chuck

 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "Jim Boyer" 
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps


> 
> Hi Jack,
> I blocked in the area just above the lower longeron and moved the lower

> motor mounts up one inch so I would not have to cut the cross brace. 
> Worked fine.
> Cheers,
> Jim
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack" 
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:04:47 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps
> 
> The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
> the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
> It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple

> of
> inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with 
> that.
> Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?
> Thanks,
> Jack
> 
> Jack Textor
> 29 SW 58th Drive
> Des Moines, IA 50312
> www.textors.com
> 
> 
> 


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 Time: 03:21:02 PM PST US
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy and Blessed Holidays to all you Piet People
 From: "kevinpurtee" 


 Pretty sure the thread was coming so I thought I'd start it.  The subject 
says
 it all.  You guys are great.

 Kevin

 do not archive

 --------
 Kevin "Axel" Purtee
 NX899KP
 Austin/Georgetown, TX


 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323855#323855


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 Time: 03:31:35 PM PST US
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress Pics
 From: "Dangerous Dave" 


 Howdy,Covering the wings.Stewart Systems working great!dave

 --------
 Covering Piet


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 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323856#323856


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 Time: 04:00:20 PM PST US
 From: 
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


 I have someone trying to sell me an engine but the pictures they sent show
 the
 cylinders and pushrod tubes painted black and the case painted grey. I am 
not
 very familiar with new engines so was wondering if this is typical and wou
ld 
he
 paint not being burned off mean it is very low time?
 Rodney Hall

 ________________________________  Message 16  ____________________________
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 Time: 04:22:16 PM PST US
 From: airlion 
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Merry Christmas - had to share this one!

 I had to share this with everyone. Merry christmas ya'll. Cheers, Gardiner


 ----- Forwarded Message ----
 From: Susan G. Mason 
 Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 5:12:15 PM
 Subject: Fw: Merry Christmas - had to share this one!


 Saw this and thought  of all of us dog lovers!!!


 ________________________________

 Hope springs eternal - even  for the dogs! Hope you can open this.

 Merry  Christmas!!! 

> Click on the dog 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________

 No  virus found in this incoming message.
 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
 02:34:00

 ________________________________  Message 17  ____________________________
________


 Time: 04:50:34 PM PST US
 From: "Jack Phillips" 
 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New to list

 Hi Jim,


 I'm in Raleigh, NC - not too far away.   My Pietenpol is based at Smith
 Mountain Lake, VA (W91).  Chuck Borsuk is also in the Raleigh area.


 Jack Phillips

 NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"

 Raleigh, NC


  _____  

 From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
 [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
 jimisown@aol.com
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 4:26 PM
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to list


 I'm new to the list and while I've been an A and P for 20+ years, I have
 never built my own plane nor am I a pilot (yet). Are there any builders in
 the Norfolk, Virginia area?

 Fr. Jim Lingenfelter


 ________________________________  Message 18  ____________________________
________


 Time: 05:00:13 PM PST US
 From: "Jack Phillips" 
 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?

 You can't tell much from paint.  My crankcase is black and my cylinders ar
e
 grey but the whole thing I rebuilt a little over 200 hours ago.  If the pa
in
 has burned off, something has overheated.


 What kind of engine is it, and how much time does it have on it?


 Jack Phillips

 NX899JP  "icarus Plummet"

 Raleigh, NC


  _____  

 From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
 [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
 r.r.hall@cox.net
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:16 PM
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


 I have someone trying to sell me an engine but the pictures they sent show
 the cylinders and pushrod tubes painted black and the case painted grey. I
 am not very familiar with new engines so was wondering if this is typical
 and would the paint not being burned off mean it is very low time? 

 Rodney Hall 


 ________________________________  Message 19  ____________________________
________


 Time: 05:08:18 PM PST US
 From: "Jack Phillips" 
 Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps

 Jack,


 As others have said, the cross brace contributes little strength in that
 area, as long as it is glued well to the floorbard and firewall plywood.
 Just cut it to get it out of the way and give yourself room for the fittin
g
 and its mounting bolts.


 Good luck!


 Jack Phillips

 NX899JP  "Icarus Plummet"

 Raleigh, NC


  _____  

 From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
 [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:05 PM
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps


 The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
 the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
 It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple o
f
 inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with tha
t.
 Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?

 Thanks,

 Jack

 Jack Textor

 29 SW 58th Drive

 Des Moines, IA 50312

 www.textors.com


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 Time: 05:10:27 PM PST US
 From: 
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 I wasn't sure if the paint would burn off or not. It is supposed to have a

 bout 200 hours on it but I haven't seen the logbooks yet.

 ---- Jack Phillips  wrote:
> 
 You can=99t tell much from paint.=C2- Mycrankcase is black and my c
 ylinders are grey but the whole thing I rebuilt alittle over 200 hours ago
..
 =C2- If the pain has burned off, something hasoverheated.
 =C2-
 What kind of engine is it, and how muchtime does it have on it?
 =C2-
 Jack Phillips
 NX899JP=C2- =9Cicarus Plummet=9D
 Raleigh, NC
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 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 20106:16 PM
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 =C2-
 I have someone trying to sell me an engine but the pictures theysent show 
t
 he cylinders and pushrod tubes painted black and the case paintedgrey. I a
m
 not very familiar with new engines so was wondering if this istypical and

 would the paint not being burned off mean it is very low time? 
 Rodney Hall  Contribution link below to find out more about
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 Subject: RE:  Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps

 All good thoughts, thanks all!

 Jack

 DSM

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 From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
 [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
 Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:05 PM
 Subject:  Pietenpol-List: Lower motor mount straps


 The plans and supplemental plans show 2 different full sized drawings for
 the lower motor mount straps.  Neither seems to fit the application well.
 It also appears to mount the inside straps you need to cut away a couple o
f
 inches of the lower crosspiece on each end.  Not real comfortable with tha
t.
 Could others share how they dealt with this part of building?

 Thanks,

 Jack

 Jack Textor

 29 SW 58th Drive

 Des Moines, IA 50312

 www.textors.com


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 Time: 07:12:18 PM PST US
 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building
 From: "Kelly Klaus" 


 Hey all,
 I would like to wish everyone here a very Merry Christmas!

 Today I finished building my 2nd 8' work table, and awaiting my spruce fro
m 
CS.

 Will update when it gets in.

 Cheers!

 --------
 Kelly Klaus

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Time: 03:42:06 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols flying in or near CT?
From: helspersew@aol.com


 Hi Jeff, Welcome to this list. 

Glenn Thomas, a Brodhead regular, is from Storrs, CT. He owns a flying Piet
. Try to contact him via glennthomas@flyingwood.com . I am not sure he moni
tors this list all the time.

Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL. 


-----Original Message-----
From: jeff 
Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:32 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols flying in or near CT?


I'm new to the list, a lurker really. I'm looking at starting a
ietenpol with the long fuselage, 3 part wing, C65 engine (or VW w/
edrive), more conventional J3 style gear, and a few more modern
omponents. 
I'm moving to CT in 2 weeks to live for the next 2-3 years. Are there
ny flying Piet's in that area? Anyone mind me coming by to gawk at
heir plane and sit in it to see how it feels?
-Jeff

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Time: 03:44:15 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?
From: helspersew@aol.com

The field Axel!!, Its the safest place!!!


-----Original Message-----
From: kevinpurtee 
Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:39 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


il>
SNAP!
"Crap!"
:)
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________________________________  Message 33  ____________________________________


Time: 04:03:47 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress Pics
From: Rick Holland 

Nice work Dave. How are you going to get your bottom fabric to contact the
undercambered ribs, just by rib lacing? Great wing stand, just ran a single
bolt through a hole in the tip, wish I thought of that. Did you put a blind
nut on the inside of the wing tip?

rick

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Dangerous Dave  wrote:

>
> Howdy,Covering the wings.Stewart Systems working great!dave
>
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"

________________________________  Message 34  ____________________________________


Time: 04:08:38 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/19/10
From: Rick Holland 

Chester when I grow up I want to be just like you (I am only 60). Keep up
the good work. I am just finishing another one your excellent books "The
First Cub" and have read "The Pietenpol Story" three times now.

Merry Christmas

rick

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Chester Peek  wrote:

>
> Age comment. I'm 90 and working on my Piet this morning. Chet peek Norman
> ok
>
>


-- 
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado

"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"

________________________________  Message 35  ____________________________________


Time: 05:40:57 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Pics
From: "AlRice" 


Looks like beautiful workmanship.  The pictures would be a lot easier to look at
if you re-sized them to about 700 pixels wide.  A free program like JPeg Resizer
will do that for you.

Also, the Stewart System doesn't require anti-chafe tape on the rib edges and other
areas prone to chafe the fabric or require inter-rib lacing?  I'm used to
Poly Fiber that requires those extra steps.  Maybe I need to switch.

--------
Al Rice
Skybolt 260
RV-9A
Helping with my grandson's Piet


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Time: 06:00:07 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Pics
From: "Dangerous Dave" 


Interrib bracing and tape on top of ribs.almost spaced out the bracing but it wasn't
from being high on fumes.

--------
Covering Piet


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________________________________  Message 37  ____________________________________


Time: 07:16:14 PM PST US
From: "Dick N" 
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building

Hey Rick
I am working on a third one now.  This one is a Sky Scout. Tail feathers 
and wing ribs done done, fuselage is in the jig.
Thought I'd correct the record.
Dick N.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rick Holland 
  To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:04 PM
  Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building


  Dan, you could always build a second Piet like Dick N. did. The best 
of both worlds, one to fly and another to build.

  rick


  On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:32 AM,  wrote:

    Hi Kelly,

    Even though I am done, I envy you in a lot of ways. Countless 
enjoyable hours of designing and building in front of you. Enjoy every 
minute of it rather than rush to get something done. I used my project 
to learn a great deal on a variety of subjects. 

    Wishing all on this list a very blessed Christmas and Happy New Year 
ahead.

    Dan Helsper
    Poplar Grove, IL.


  -- 
  Rick Holland
  Castle Rock, Colorado

  "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" 


________________________________  Message 38  ____________________________________


Time: 08:02:15 PM PST US
From: Jeff Boatright 
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building

Hey, it ain't braggin' if you can do it. And you done it!!

Man, I am REALLY looking forward to seeing that Sky Scout. I loved 
your two 'Campers.

>Hey Rick
>I am working on a third one now.  This one is a Sky Scout. Tail 
>feathers and wing ribs done done, fuselage is in the jig.
>Thought I'd correct the record.
>Dick N.


-- 

Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."

________________________________  Message 39  ____________________________________


Time: 08:13:03 PM PST US
From: Jeff Boatright 
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Do new or rebuilt engines come painted?


And it'll be PROUDLY displayed...Dammit!


>
>I try.  I really do!
>
>I understand the FAA is considering changing their ruling on the 2"
>"Experimental" placard required on all homebuilts without the NX
>registration.  They have decided that anything powered by a Corvair needs
>the word "EXPERIMENTAL" in 12" letters on both sides of the cockpit
>
>Jack
>
>Do Not Archive
>


________________________________  Message 40  ____________________________________


Time: 09:19:45 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building
From: Ryan Mueller 

Happy to hear you are at work on another Pietenpol. Just curious, what
happened to the Volmer....or is she still coming along as well?

Ryan

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Dick N  wrote:

>  Hey Rick
> I am working on a third one now.  This one is a Sky Scout. Tail feathers
> and wing ribs done done, fuselage is in the jig.
> Thought I'd correct the record.
> Dick N.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland 
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 20, 2010 4:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Soon will be building
>
> Dan, you could always build a second Piet like Dick N. did. The best of
> both worlds, one to fly and another to build.
>
> rick
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:32 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi Kelly,
>>
>> Even though I am done, I envy you in a lot of ways. Countless enjoyable
>> hours of designing and building in front of you. Enjoy every minute of it
>> rather than rush to get something done. I used my project to learn a great
>> deal on a variety of subjects.
>>
>> Wishing all on this list a very blessed Christmas and Happy New Year
>> ahead.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
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