---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/27/10: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Bigfoot airport (GliderMike) 2. 07:17 AM - Cable Tension (Charles Campbell) 3. 09:17 AM - Re: Cable Tension (K5YAC) 4. 09:44 AM - Re: Cable Tension (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 10:08 AM - Re: Cable Tension (Ryan Mueller) 6. 10:25 AM - Re: Dec 23 (kevinpurtee) 7. 10:28 AM - Re: Cable Tension (Charles Campbell) 8. 10:48 AM - Re: Cable Tension (Ryan Mueller) 9. 10:48 AM - Re: Cable Tension (Ryan Mueller) 10. 11:05 AM - Cable tension (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 11. 12:14 PM - Re: Dec 23 (Jim Boyer) 12. 12:16 PM - Re: Dec 23 (Jim Boyer) 13. 12:46 PM - Re: Sweeney's Radiator (skellytown flyer) 14. 01:21 PM - Re: Cable tension (Charles Campbell) 15. 01:24 PM - Re: The Rambo Piet (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 16. 02:06 PM - Re: Cable Tension (airlion) 17. 05:05 PM - Re: Cable Tension (Charles Campbell) 18. 05:18 PM - Re: Cable Tension (kevinpurtee) 19. 05:26 PM - Re: Dec 23 (Darrel Jones) 20. 05:26 PM - Re: Cable Tension (Matthew VanDervort) 21. 06:27 PM - MA-2 carburetor (VanDy) 22. 07:51 PM - Re: Cable Tension (K5YAC) 23. 08:41 PM - Re: wood legs (bender) 24. 09:54 PM - Re: Re: wood legs (Ryan Mueller) 25. 10:35 PM - Re: Re: wood legs (Clif Dawson) 26. 11:11 PM - Re: Cable Tension (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bigfoot airport From: "GliderMike" Is Bigfoot grass, with 2 runways that form a "T," and one of the runways has terraces in it? And pretty close to Beloit? If so, I made my 25th parachute jump into there, I think it was in 1980. A group of us flew from Muskogee to there in a DC3, and jumped in, then made quite a few jumps over a weekend. If I remember correctly, they had 2 Twin Otters there for the weekend, in addition to the DC3 we rode up there in, and maybe one more DC3 there. The DC3 lost an engine on the way home, and we landed in Burlington, IA. My room mate talked the people there into renting a Twin Commander to us, and some of us got home in a timely manner, instead of waiting for the DC3 to get some new cylinders. It was quite a time. I know the airport wasn't regularly used for skydiving at the time, just for this special event. I don't remember there being any hangars there, but I may not be remembering correctly. I do remember the fences adjacent to the runway were cornstalks, about 7 ft high. -------- HOMEBUILDER Will WORK for Spruce Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324638#324638 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:23 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension I'm not quite ready to have to know but I am at the point where I'm thinking about how tight the cable tensions need to be and how do you know when they are correct without having access to a tensionometer? Chuck (Charles, in the list) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension From: "K5YAC" One of those interesting topics... some will recommend that you be able to play "Banjo Duel" on the drag cables and "Devil Went Down to Georgia" on the controls. Even with a tensiometer you will get recommendations from 20 to 120 pounds. I'm not sure that there is an exact value given in black and white, even in AC 43.13 or Tony's books, but I'm sure you'll get several educated responses. Sorry I can't help on this topic, but I'll be reading the mail along with ya. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324671#324671 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension From: helspersew@aol.com OH NO, here we go again with the "twang" or "dwang" or was it musical note G method and every other opinion under the sun on how tight the cables need to be and how to tighten them. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Campbell Sent: Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:17 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension I'm not quite ready to have to know but I am at the point where I'm thinkin g about how tight the cable tensions need to be and how do you know when th ey are correct without having access to a tensionometer? Chuck (Charles, in the list) - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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I'm sure this has been a thread on here before but I don't have access to what piet builders (who have a finished product) have done. Dan, what did you do? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension OH NO, here we go again with the "twang" or "dwang" or was it musical note G method and every other opinion under the sun on how tight the cables need to be and how to tighten them. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list Sent: Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:17 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension I'm not quite ready to have to know but I am at the point where I'm thinking about how tight the cable tensions need to be and how do you know when they are correct without having access to a tensionometer? Chuck (Charles, in the list) _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension From: Ryan Mueller http://www.matronics.com/search/ Piet list archives going back at least 11-12 years....read the instructions on how to properly format a search. I'd recommend spending some time searching there.... Ryan On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Charles Campbell < cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote: > Come on, guys! I'm sure this has been a thread on here before but I > don't have access to what piet builders (who have a finished product) have > done. Dan, what did you do? Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* helspersew@aol.com > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, December 27, 2010 12:42 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension > > OH NO, here we go again with the "twang" or "dwang" or was it musical note > G method and every other opinion under the sun on how tight the cables need > to be and how to tighten them. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Campbell > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:17 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension > > I'm not quite ready to *have* to know but I am at the point where I'm > thinking about how tight the cable tensions need to be and how do you know > when they are correct without having access to a tensionometer? > > Chuck (Charles, in the list) > > * > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com* > > * > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension From: Ryan Mueller Wasn't 'thwang" the appropriate note? ;) Ryan do not archive On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM, wrote: > OH NO, here we go again with the "twang" or "dwang" or was it musical note > G method and every other opinion under the sun on how tight the cables need > to be and how to tighten them. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Campbell > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:17 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension > > I'm not quite ready to *have* to know but I am at the point where I'm > thinking about how tight the cable tensions need to be and how do you know > when they are correct without having access to a tensionometer? > > Chuck (Charles, in the list) > > * > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com* > > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:52 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension Here is what I have stored in my personal Pietenpol folder: West Marine carries the Loos "regular" cable tensiometer for $79.99 and it's good for 3/32", 1/8", and 5/32" cables. Pete Bowers in the plans for the fly baby says to tighten the cables as tight as you can with your fingers, then give the turnbuckle barrel one more turn. When I did this on my wings, I got a FWANG sound. My Tech Counselor said to tighten to no more than 40#. When I checked it with a tensionometer, thats what I had. Rick S. You can buy cable tensiometers, but they are expensive and unnecessary. Just tighten the cables until all four are a little more than snug and they all make approximately the same sound when plucked. You don't want them terribly tight - they don't need to go "Peeeng" when plucked. Just a nice low "Thmmmm", but they should all make about the same sound. These cables actually control the alignment of the wing to the centerline of the airplane. To set the initial tension, pick either the forward pair (at the fuselage) or the rear pair and tighten them to a little more than snug. Then use a metal tape measure and measure the distance from the tailpost to each wingtip. Each distance should be the same, within +/- 1/4". If the distances are off, adjust the tension in the flying wires until the wing is square with the fuselage. Then tighten the other pair and re-measure the tailpost to wingtip distance, both sides. Adjust tensions as necessary. Washout is set differently. It is controlled by the length of the rear lift struts and depending on your strut design may or may not be easily adjustable. I have a small bit of washout in mine and the stall characteristics are good. As far as I know I have not flown a Pietenpol without washout (Ryan, does yours have washout or not?) but I suspect it would be fine without it. Good luck! Jack Phillips ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:18 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dec 23 Good for Beau; nice to see young men going into the industry. See you Wednesday. Jim Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:04:44 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dec 23 The welder is Beau Hotchkiss, a family friend, whom I brought with me to CC18. The other is his friend, Cory. Beau has good shop skills, even for 17 yr old, and is Emery Riddle bound. Gary Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dec 23 Gary its looking really good. Who are the young men helping you? They look like they both are doing good. Merry 2nd day of Christmas. Jim Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:36:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dec 23 Couple of young Jedi's showed up last Thursday morning. I thought about putting them to work raking leaves and putting up X-mas lights, but they really wanted to look at the Piet. One has been taking welding in high school, so I put him to work making some adjustments to my carb flange. The other didn't know an open-end wrench from a box wrench, so I taught him a few things about sheet metal. In the pic, he is finishing up the access panels for my fuel tank. Both did an outstanding job, without any needed re-work from me! We finished up the day by making one of the fuel lines. Got everything I need to seal and rivet the tank this week.Life is good! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:16 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dec 23 Hey Darrel, How about meeting me at say 9:30AM Wednesday at your hangar? We should be able to make it in 2 hours right? See you there, Jim do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel Jones" Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:08:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dec 23 On 12/26/2010 9:36 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Couple of young Jedi's showed up last Thursday morning. I thought > about putting them to work raking leaves and putting up X-mas lights, > but they really wanted to look at the Piet. One has been taking > welding in high school, so I put him to work making some adjustments > to my carb flange. The other didn't know an open-end wrench from a box > wrench, so I taught him a few things about sheet metal. In the pic, he > is finishing up the access panels for my fuel tank. Both did an > outstanding job, without any needed re-work from me! We finished up > the day by making one of the fuel lines. > > Got everything I need to seal and rivet the tank this week...Life is good! > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, Running! > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (23 ribs down...) > Gary, We may have to run up to Cool to check out the progress before or after lunch Wednesday. Looking forward to seeing everyone. Darrel Jones Sonoma, CA ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sweeney's Radiator From: "skellytown flyer" I know very little about Zenith down draft carbs, but what about your typical VW carb? I believe they are some version of Zenith downdraft. I even have one in my garage in some junk. I have no idea of capacity but they are common.and if needed I could sure ship it. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324705#324705 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:20 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension Jack, you're a prince. Thank you. That is exactly what I will try to do. Incidentally, I was a Technical Writer (Electronics) for about 30 years and I perceive that you would have made a good one. Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KM Heide CPO/FAAOP" Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 2:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension > > > Here is what I have stored in my personal Pietenpol folder: > > West Marine carries the Loos "regular" cable tensiometer > for $79.99 and it's good for 3/32", 1/8", and 5/32" cables. > > Pete Bowers in the plans for the fly baby says to tighten the cables as > tight as you can with your fingers, then give the turnbuckle barrel one > more turn. When I did this on my wings, I got a FWANG sound. My Tech > Counselor said to tighten to no more than 40#. When I checked it with a > tensionometer, thats what I had. > > Rick S. > > You can buy cable tensiometers, but they are expensive and unnecessary. > Just tighten the cables until all four are a little more than snug and > they > all make approximately the same sound when plucked. You don't want them > terribly tight - they don't need to go "Peeeng" when plucked. Just a nice > low "Thmmmm", but they should all make about the same sound. > > These cables actually control the alignment of the wing to the centerline > of > the airplane. To set the initial tension, pick either the forward pair > (at > the fuselage) or the rear pair and tighten them to a little more than > snug. > Then use a metal tape measure and measure the distance from the tailpost > to > each wingtip. Each distance should be the same, within +/- 1/4". If the > distances are off, adjust the tension in the flying wires until the wing > is > square with the fuselage. Then tighten the other pair and re-measure the > tailpost to wingtip distance, both sides. Adjust tensions as necessary. > > Washout is set differently. It is controlled by the length of the rear > lift > struts and depending on your strut design may or may not be easily > adjustable. I have a small bit of washout in mine and the stall > characteristics are good. As far as I know I have not flown a Pietenpol > without washout (Ryan, does yours have washout or not?) but I suspect it > would be fine without it. > > Good luck! > > Jack Phillips > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:43 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Rambo Piet Looks GREAT GENE !!!!!! Thanks for taking those photos Jack. Mike C. do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Rambo Piet Attached are a few of the photos Jack Phillips took. I hope they are not t oo large to load. Gene Rambo ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:09 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension Folks, I used the SAR method and it works just fine. Cheers, Gardiner ________________________________ From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 1:46:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension Wasn't 'thwang" the appropriate note? ;) Ryan do not archive On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM, wrote: OH NO, here we go again with the "twang" or "dwang" or was it musical note G method and every other opinion under the sun on how tight the cables need to be and how to tighten them. > >Dan Helsper >Poplar Grove, IL. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Charles Campbell >To: pietenpol-list >Sent: Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:17 am >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension > > >I'm not quite ready to have to know but I am at the point where I'm thinking >about how tight the cable tensions need to be and how do you know when they >are correct without having access to a tensionometer? > >Chuck (Charles, in the list) > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com >=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " >target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >p://forums.matronics.com > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " >target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >tp://forums.matronics.com > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:36 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension What, pray tell, is the SAR system? ----- Original Message ----- From: airlion To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension Folks, I used the SAR method and it works just fine. Cheers, Gardiner ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 1:46:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension Wasn't 'thwang" the appropriate note? ;) Ryan do not archive On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM, wrote: OH NO, here we go again with the "twang" or "dwang" or was it musical note G method and every other opinion under the sun on how tight the cables need to be and how to tighten them. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list Sent: Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:17 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension I'm not quite ready to have to know but I am at the point where I'm thinking about how tight the cable tensions need to be and how do you know when they are correct without having access to a tensionometer? Chuck (Charles, in the list) _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension From: "kevinpurtee" "Sounds About Right" -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324728#324728 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:05 PM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dec 23 Jim, 9:30 at my hangar will be fine. I contacted the Sacramento guy I bought my cores from and he said to stop by and see his collection. He has quite a few cars and engines and is just off the freeway. If it works out I'll give him a call from the restaurant. See you Wednesday. Darrel On 12/27/2010 12:13 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Boyer > > Hey Darrel, > How about meeting me at say 9:30AM Wednesday at your hangar? We should be able to make it in 2 hours right? > See you there, > Jim > > do not archive > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darrel Jones" > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:08:28 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dec 23 > > On 12/26/2010 9:36 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> Couple of young Jedi's showed up last Thursday morning. I thought >> about putting them to work raking leaves and putting up X-mas lights, >> but they really wanted to look at the Piet. One has been taking >> welding in high school, so I put him to work making some adjustments >> to my carb flange. The other didn't know an open-end wrench from a box >> wrench, so I taught him a few things about sheet metal. In the pic, he >> is finishing up the access panels for my fuel tank. Both did an >> outstanding job, without any needed re-work from me! We finished up >> the day by making one of the fuel lines. >> >> Got everything I need to seal and rivet the tank this week...Life is good! >> >> Gary Boothe >> Cool, Ca. >> Pietenpol >> WW Corvair Conversion, Running! >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> (23 ribs down...) >> > Gary, > > We may have to run up to Cool to check out the progress before or after > lunch Wednesday. > > Looking forward to seeing everyone. > > Darrel Jones > Sonoma, CA > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:05 PM PST US From: Matthew VanDervort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension This is just a guess... But i'm gonna say.. "Sounds About Right!" Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2010, at 8:02 PM, "Charles Campbell" w rote: > What, pray tell, is the SAR system? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: airlion > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension > > Folks, I used the SAR method and it works just fine. Cheers, Gardiner > > > From: Ryan Mueller > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 1:46:41 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension > > Wasn't 'thwang" the appropriate note? ;) > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM, wrote: > OH NO, here we go again with the "twang" or "dwang" or was it musical note G method and every other opinion under the sun on how tight the cables need to be and how to tighten them. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Campbell > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:17 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension > > I'm not quite ready to have to know but I am at the point where I'm thinki ng about how tight the cable tensions need to be and how do you know when th ey are correct without having access to a tensionometer? > > Chuck (Charles, in the list) > > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ch ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: MA-2 carburetor From: "VanDy" quick background... ive had my A for 10 years now, and my P for 9, but just now starting to get into the GA field indepth, and I just learned from Grandpa that the MA-2 on my Piet, (that grandpa BIG JIM VANDERVORT built) is pretty much obsolete, so.. any body have any info on where to find parts for it? the Carb on it was good when it ran last, but that was 9 years ago, and i'd like to keep it as close to how he built it as possible! im also doing the same with my 1978 Suzuki Motorcycle, buying spare parts, that I can find, in muliples of 3! thanks for the input! -------- www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there! almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324741#324741 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension From: "K5YAC" EAA Sport Aviation, Jan 2011 - Pg. 92 "Control Cable Tension" -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324751#324751 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs From: "bender" i feel like this shouldn't be so hard.... i started trying to build the gear legs... wow..it sucks it looks so simple in the drawings.. i think carving a prop would be easier stopping for the night but not giving up jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324758#324758 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs From: Ryan Mueller You need to read: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wood_landing_gear.htm Ryan On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:39 PM, bender wrote: > jfaith@solairusaviation.com> > > i feel like this shouldn't be so hard.... i started trying to build the > gear legs... wow..it sucks > it looks so simple in the drawings.. > i think carving a prop would be easier > stopping for the night but not giving up > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324758#324758 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:00 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs For what it's worth, this is what I did. The initial fitting was with scrap wood. Once the ends fit the fuselage and the block at the V then the angles were transfered to the Fir. And yes, even with a carefully designed and constructed jig it was still akin to a female dog. http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol3.html Clif Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bender" > i feel like this shouldn't be so hard.... i started trying to build the gear legs... wow..it sucks > it looks so simple in the drawings.. > jeff ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:09 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension That's a good point. Let's get somebody to go measure his existing planes. :-) Clf What would Bernard do, Dan? :) Ryan OH NO, here we go again with the "twang" or "dwang" or was it Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.