---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/28/10: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:29 AM - Re: Re: wood legs (Chris) 2. 04:38 AM - Cable tension (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:22 AM - Re: wood legs (Jerry Dotson) 4. 05:50 AM - Re: wood legs (bender) 5. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: wood legs (Kip and Beth Gardner) 6. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: Cable Tension (Charles Campbell) 7. 06:22 AM - Re: Cable Tension (airlion) 8. 07:46 AM - Re: Cable tension (Charles Campbell) 9. 07:50 AM - Re: wood legs (Jerry Dotson) 10. 08:41 AM - Jerry's legs (Gboothe5) 11. 09:15 AM - Re: Cable Tension (K5YAC) 12. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Cable Tension (Kenneth Bickers) 13. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Cable Tension (Kenneth Bickers) 14. 09:54 AM - Re: Jerry's legs (amsafetyc@aol.com) 15. 10:17 AM - Re: Cable Tension (K5YAC) 16. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Cable Tension (airlion) 17. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: wood legs (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 18. 12:21 PM - Re: wood legs (Jerry Dotson) 19. 02:36 PM - Re: Re: Piet List Directory (macz@peak.org) 20. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Cable Tension (Charles Campbell) 21. 05:03 PM - Fuel tank (Gary Boothe) 22. 05:03 PM - gear fittings (bender) 23. 05:35 PM - Re: gear fittings (Jack Phillips) 24. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Re: Piet List Directory (Jack) 25. 06:04 PM - Re: gear fittings (Chris) 26. 06:06 PM - Re: gear fittings (Chris) 27. 06:16 PM - Re: Fuel tank (kevinpurtee) 28. 07:36 PM - flying, finally (Dick N) 29. 08:40 PM - Re: flying, finally (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 30. 09:48 PM - Re: Fuel tank (Jim Boyer) 31. 10:45 PM - Re: Cable tension (AMsafetyC@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:24 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs What specifically are you having problems with? Those of us who have done it can probably help figure out your problem. Biggest thing to do is make sure the ash block is pointing at the tail wheel. Take a string and make sure the top surface of the block is parallel to a line drawn to the tail wheel. Then cut the legs to fill the space between the ash block and the fuselage. As someone already suggested, take a look at what I have about building the wood gear on my web page and ask more question if you need it. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs --> i feel like this shouldn't be so hard.... i started trying to build the gear legs... wow..it sucks it looks so simple in the drawings.. i think carving a prop would be easier stopping for the night but not giving up jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324758#324758 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension From: helspersew@aol.com Charles, Didn't mean to jump on you. We here on the Pietenpol list subscribe to the notion that there are no stupid questions. I would have appreciated this th read myself if I had been in your position. In response to your original qu ery, the compilation of what we have so far is: "FWANG" "Peeeng" "Thmmmm", SAR method I myself used "thwang" and it has performed beautifully so far. I would rea lly like to be able to reveal what method Bernerd used, so we all could get the last word on this subject, but seeing that I am bound not to open the "Lost Papers of BHP" canister for another 5 months (once per year), I canno t. Now keep in mind that this information may not even be in those papers. Even the Bible is silent on some mundane subjects, such as let's say, how often to get a haircut. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. "Thmmmm", SAR method I myself used "thwang" and it has performed beautifully so far. I would rea lly like to be able to reveal what method Bernerd used, so we all could get the last word on this subject, but seeing that I am bound not to open the "Lost Papers of BHP" canister for another 5 months (once per year), I canno t. Now keep in mind that this information may not even be in those papers. Even the Bible is silent on some mundane subjects, such as let's say, how often to get a haircut. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs From: "Jerry Dotson" The gear on NX510JD is laminated from red oak, poplar,pecan, ash, and fir. 10---1/4 inch layers. All the struts are laminated with 9---1/4 layers with a 3/8 4130 steel rod sandwiched inside. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324781#324781 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gear_8x6_189.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabanes_101.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs From: "bender" i guess what got to me last night was that the flying and glider dimensions were not working out.. the ash block was too short when the Long cut for the rear leg was made...the ash block needs to be longer i believe. i managed to make the cuts pretty easy.. by drawing lines around each leg and eyeballing on the band saw.. then i realize the outside bottom brackets i made were off... i literally blew up the images on a copy machine till the measurements were right ..but i missed the fact that the bottom was about 7 inches long instead of the 5 3/4 shown on the drawings even though the other dimensions were correct. i kept wondering how that was going to work with the inside brackets.. i thought i was being clever too so its jigged up and three legs may be good.. i just need to make new brackets and lengthen the ash block i believe and the west coast piet site does get lots of studying..thanks jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324784#324784 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:28 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs Hi Jerry, What's the lamination orientation on your struts? 9 1/4 in. laminates seems like a lot. Also, does the 3/8 inch rod carry all the way through & attach to anything, or lust there for reinforcement? I'm planning on wood struts with carbon fiber between the laminations. KIp Gardner On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > > > > The gear on NX510JD is laminated from red oak, poplar,pecan, ash, > and fir. 10---1/4 inch layers. All the struts are laminated with > 9---1/4 layers with a 3/8 4130 steel rod sandwiched inside. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324781#324781 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/gear_8x6_189.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabanes_101.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:43 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension I don't have my Jan 2011 issue. Guess I need to call EAA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension > > EAA Sport Aviation, Jan 2011 - Pg. 92 "Control Cable Tension" > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324751#324751 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:13 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension SAR system is Sounds About Right ________________________________ From: Charles Campbell Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:02:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension What, pray tell, is the SAR system? ----- Original Message ----- >From: airlion >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 5:03 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension > > >Folks, I used the SAR method and it works just fine. Cheers, Gardiner > > ________________________________ From: Ryan Mueller >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 1:46:41 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension > >Wasn't 'thwang" the appropriate note? ;) > > >Ryan > > >do not archive > > >On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM, wrote: > >OH NO, here we go again with the "twang" or "dwang" or was it musical note >G method and every other opinion under the sun on how tight the cables need >to be and how to tighten them. > >> >>Dan Helsper >>Poplar Grove, IL. >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Charles Campbell >>To: pietenpol-list >>Sent: Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:17 am >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable Tension >> >> >>I'm not quite ready to have to know but I am at the point where I'm >>thinking about how tight the cable tensions need to be and how do you know >>when they are correct without having access to a tensionometer? >> >>Chuck (Charles, in the list) >> _blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com >>=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " >>target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>p://forums.matronics.com >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >>="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " >>target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>tp://forums.matronics.com >> > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com> >href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com> >href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com> >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:28 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension I get a haircut once every six months whether I need it or not!!!! But you're right -- the Bible doesn't cover the subject. No mention of haircuts except the one Samson received, and it didn't suggest how often this should happen Jack Phillips says "Thummm" is the correct one. I believe that would be a bit less tension than "FWang" and certainly less than "Peeeng". I'm sure that would be way too tight. ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension Charles, Didn't mean to jump on you. We here on the Pietenpol list subscribe to the notion that there are no stupid questions. I would have appreciated this thread myself if I had been in your position. In response to your original query, the compilation of what we have so far is: "FWANG" "Peeeng" "Thmmmm", SAR method I myself used "thwang" and it has performed beautifully so far. I would really like to be able to reveal what method Bernerd used, so we all could get the last word on this subject, but seeing that I am bound not to open the "Lost Papers of BHP" canister for another 5 months (once per year), I cannot. Now keep in mind that this information may not even be in those papers. Even the Bible is silent on some mundane subjects, such as let's say, how often to get a haircut. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs From: "Jerry Dotson" The 3/8 rod goes all the way through. I glued up the struts 5 layers and 4 layers. The I milled a 3/8 half round groove from end to end. Then laminated the 2 pieces around the rod with T-88. The 5 layer part will be trailing edge. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324806#324806 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:56 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jerry's legs Beautiful, Jerry! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs The gear on NX510JD is laminated from red oak, poplar,pecan, ash, and fir. 10---1/4 inch layers. All the struts are laminated with 9---1/4 layers with a 3/8 4130 steel rod sandwiched inside. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324781#324781 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gear_8x6_189.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabanes_101.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension From: "K5YAC" Chuck Campbell wrote: > I don't have my Jan 2011 issue. Guess I need to call EAA. > > --- Just got mine yesterday... don't panic just yet. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324822#324822 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension From: Kenneth Bickers I just downloaded a copy, plus an interesting article on corvair conversions, from the EAA website. If you are a member, you can log into the EAA360 website. This will give access to all the upcoming articles, plus a whole lot more. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:12 AM, K5YAC wrote: > > > Chuck Campbell wrote: > > I don't have my Jan 2011 issue. Guess I need to call EAA. > > > > --- > > > Just got mine yesterday... don't panic just yet. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324822#324822 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension From: Kenneth Bickers ... as an additional note, there is also a nice description (on page 90) of a hole drilling jig for use in drilling holes through spars and other critical pieces. When I read it, I wanted to slap my forehead. Cheap. Dirt simple. Great idea. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Kenneth Bickers wrote: > I just downloaded a copy, plus an interesting article on corvair > conversions, from the EAA website. If you are a member, you can log into > the EAA360 website. This will give access to all the upcoming articles, plus > a whole lot more. Cheers, Ken > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:12 AM, K5YAC wrote: > >> >> >> Chuck Campbell wrote: >> > I don't have my Jan 2011 issue. Guess I need to call EAA. >> > >> > --- >> >> >> Just got mine yesterday... don't panic just yet. >> >> -------- >> Mark Chouinard >> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324822#324822 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:27 AM PST US From: "amsafetyc@aol.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jerry's legs That's the way it begins first its the legs then who knows where it goes from there. Jerry don't invite him to your hangar and for God sake watch out for your tools Do not archive John Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 17:40:31 GMT+00:00 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jerry's legs Beautiful, Jerry! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs The gear on NX510JD is laminated from red oak, poplar,pecan, ash, and fir. 10---1/4 inch layers. All the struts are laminated with 9---1/4 layers with a 3/8 4130 steel rod sandwiched inside. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324781#324781 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gear_8x6_189.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabanes_101.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension From: "K5YAC" A what conversion? Corvair? Isn't that a car? -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324830#324830 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:24 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension Yeah It's that old car but with wings on it now. Unsafe at stall speed. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: K5YAC Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 1:15:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension A what conversion? Corvair? Isn't that a car? -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324830#324830 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:13 AM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs Jerry, Any photos? --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Jerry Dotson wrote: > From: Jerry Dotson > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 9:48 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "Jerry Dotson" > > The 3/8 rod goes all the way through. I glued up the struts > 5 layers and 4 layers. The I milled a 3/8 half round > groove from end to end. Then laminated the 2 pieces around > the rod with T-88. The 5 layer part will be trailing edge. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324806#324806 > > > > > > > > Lists This Month -- > Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) > Raiser. Click on > out more about > Gifts provided > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood legs From: "Jerry Dotson" KM my airplane has yet to be assembled. Putting the finishing touches on the gear now. Then I will assemble and finish the struts and brace cables. No covering on anything yet. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324839#324839 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:45 PM PST US Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory From: macz@peak.org Jack-- I don't know if I'm on the list either, and I don't use Excel. Is there a PDF version available? Thanks, Mac in Oregon > Barry, > > It's not public, just available to those who submit info. Attached is the > latest copy, thanks. > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry > Davis > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:39 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory > > > Jack > > Is this list on the web somewhere? I was wondering if all the Big Piet > guys > submitted their info > > Barry > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:25 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory > > Jeff, I noticed you are not listed in our directory, if you (or anyone > else) > would like to submit your info please complete the attached Excel file and > return to me. I will then send you the updated list which has 74 > listings. > BTW nice progress, hangar and passenger! > > Thanks, > > Jack > > <<...>> > > Jack Textor > > 29 SW 58th Drive > > Des Moines, IA 50312 > > www.textors.com > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:18 PM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension It came today. Read the article about cables and it didn't help much. I need a set of what the article calls 'manufacturer's tolerances'. I guess I'll use Jack Philips' system. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 12:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cable Tension > > > Chuck Campbell wrote: >> I don't have my Jan 2011 issue. Guess I need to call EAA. >> >> --- > > > Just got mine yesterday... don't panic just yet. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324822#324822 > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:35 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank Got the fuel tank sealed and assembled today!! .must have done things right, 'cuz I got the required amount of mess on my hands!! Thanks to the pair of Jack's: Jack Phillips and Jack Textor. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: gear fittings From: "bender" Ok... .i think i'm getting closer I have the gear legs about right... but i made the lower bracket to the plans and the angles just aren't right... but looking at the west coast site i see that the metal was made to fit the angles of the gear...not the wood to fit the metal.. and that makes it all look a little better. am i wrong here ?? the fittings i made could work but the lines or the angles don't match so i think it goes like this... make the wood fit in the jig and to the fuselage attach points... then make the metal fitting to hold the bottom of the gear together..right ?? jeff :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324856#324856 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:49 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: gear fittings Jeff, I made all the wood parts first and then made the metal to fit the wood. This is one of the reasons that prefabricated metal fittings for sale to Pietenpol builders just doesn't work. You need to make the fittings "fit" the wooden structure. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 8:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gear fittings Ok... .i think i'm getting closer I have the gear legs about right... but i made the lower bracket to the plans and the angles just aren't right... but looking at the west coast site i see that the metal was made to fit the angles of the gear...not the wood to fit the metal.. and that makes it all look a little better. am i wrong here ?? the fittings i made could work but the lines or the angles don't match so i think it goes like this... make the wood fit in the jig and to the fuselage attach points... then make the metal fitting to hold the bottom of the gear together..right ?? jeff :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324856#324856 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:13 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Mac, You are correct, not on the list. I've attached a pdf of the template to fill out. In your return email just duplicate the information with each cell separated by a comma. I will then try and do a pdf for you. Thanks, Jack Do you have Word? -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of macz@peak.org Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory Jack-- I don't know if I'm on the list either, and I don't use Excel. Is there a PDF version available? Thanks, Mac in Oregon > Barry, > > It's not public, just available to those who submit info. Attached is the > latest copy, thanks. > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry > Davis > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:39 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory > > > Jack > > Is this list on the web somewhere? I was wondering if all the Big Piet > guys > submitted their info > > Barry > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:25 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet List Directory > > Jeff, I noticed you are not listed in our directory, if you (or anyone > else) > would like to submit your info please complete the attached Excel file and > return to me. I will then send you the updated list which has 74 > listings. > BTW nice progress, hangar and passenger! > > Thanks, > > Jack > > <<...>> > > Jack Textor > > 29 SW 58th Drive > > Des Moines, IA 50312 > > www.textors.com > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:25 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: gear fittings "You need to make the fittings "fit" the wooden structure." Jack, I can't agree more. This is the number one tip I try to pass on to new builders. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: gear fittings --> Jeff, I made all the wood parts first and then made the metal to fit the wood. This is one of the reasons that prefabricated metal fittings for sale to Pietenpol builders just doesn't work. You need to make the fittings "fit" the wooden structure. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 8:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gear fittings --> Ok... .i think i'm getting closer I have the gear legs about right... but i made the lower bracket to the plans and the angles just aren't right... but looking at the west coast site i see that the metal was made to fit the angles of the gear...not the wood to fit the metal.. and that makes it all look a little better. am i wrong here ?? the fittings i made could work but the lines or the angles don't match so i think it goes like this... make the wood fit in the jig and to the fuselage attach points... then make the metal fitting to hold the bottom of the gear together..right ?? jeff :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324856#324856 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:09 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: gear fittings You are correct. Make the fittings fit your airplane. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gear fittings --> Ok... .i think i'm getting closer I have the gear legs about right... but i made the lower bracket to the plans and the angles just aren't right... but looking at the west coast site i see that the metal was made to fit the angles of the gear...not the wood to fit the metal.. and that makes it all look a little better. am i wrong here ?? the fittings i made could work but the lines or the angles don't match so i think it goes like this... make the wood fit in the jig and to the fuselage attach points... then make the metal fitting to hold the bottom of the gear together..right ?? jeff :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324856#324856 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank From: "kevinpurtee" That do look messy, Gary!!! I can see the usual building perfection peaking through the goop, though. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324870#324870 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:59 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying, finally With all of the cold we have been getting, I finally got out for an hour today. Lots of snow around here, about 3+ feet. Air was perfectly smooth, which made cruising at 1 foot above the ice on local lakes just fine. I'm in MN and west WI. I was dreaming about going to Brodhead. Actually Sun n Fun Is coming up soon. I'm hoping everybody will come down and see us in the Wood Workshop. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:16 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flying, finally Great to hear you're getting up in the winter - at least it's been a little warmer lately. Hey - we should talk about Sun-N-Fun. I may have a project for you down th ere but I'd need to know how to arrange the material shipping an all. Let' s keep in touch. Tom B. From: horzpool@goldengate.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying=2C finally With all of the cold we have been getting=2C I finally got out for an hour today. Lots of snow around here=2C about 3+ feet. Air was perfectly smooth=2C which made cruising at 1 foot above the ice on local lakes just fine. I'm in MN and west WI. I was dreaming about going to Brodhead. Actually Sun n Fun Is coming up soon. I'm hoping everybody will come down and see us in the Wood Workshop. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:07 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank Looks very good Gary. Will have to ask questions tomorrow at lunch. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 4:59:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank Got the fuel tank sealed and assembled today!! .must have done things right, 'cuz I got the required amount of mess on my hands!! Thanks to the pair of Jack's: Jack Phillips and Jack Textor. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, Running! Tail done, Fuselage on gear (23 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:02 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension For some reason, I was thinking if you could sing Louie Louie to it you should be in much closer range then the bung bum bum bum bum bum bum.....bum bum bum bum bum bum of Mr, Sand Man. Just a guess on my part though so _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsKQXJQwrNc_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsKQXJQwrNc) please do not archive Louie Louie oh no said we gotta go _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx-8_GI4d2c_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx-8_GI4d2c) John and I couldn't hep my sef just like the Ethiopian shim sham sand dance born to do it _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXQeWW-Nizs_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXQeWW-Nizs) In a message dated 12/28/2010 10:47:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cncampbell@windstream.net writes: I get a haircut once every six months whether I need it or not!!!! But you're right -- the Bible doesn't cover the subject. No mention of haircuts except the one Samson received, and it didn't suggest how often this should happen Jack Phillips says "Thummm" is the correct one. I believe that would be a bit less tension than "FWang" and certainly less than "Peeeng". I'm sure that would be way too tight. ----- Original Message ----- From: _helspersew@aol.com_ (mailto:helspersew@aol.com) Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension Charles, Didn't mean to jump on you. We here on the Pietenpol list subscribe to the notion that there are no stupid questions. I would have appreciated this thread myself if I had been in your position. In response to your original query, the compilation of what we have so far is: "FWANG" "Peeeng" "Thmmmm", SAR method I myself used "thwang" and it has performed beautifully so far. I would really like to be able to reveal what method Bernerd used, so we all could get the last word on this subject, but seeing that I am bound not to open the "Lost Papers of BHP" canister for another 5 months (once per year), I cannot. Now keep in mind that this information may not even be in those papers. Even the Bible is silent on some mundane subjects, such as let's say, how often to get a haircut. 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