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1. 02:31 AM - Re: One Done (Dangerous Dave)
2. 03:15 AM - One done (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:07 AM - Re: One Done (Charles Campbell)
4. 05:14 AM - Re: Re: One Done (Charles Campbell)
5. 05:25 AM - Aileron Hinge (pineymb)
6. 06:48 AM - Re: One Done (Dangerous Dave)
7. 07:00 AM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack Phillips)
8. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: One Done http://wn.com/Rib_(aircraft) (Don Heringhaus)
9. 08:41 AM - Re: Pat and Mary Hoyt lunch in Sacto (Darrel Jones)
10. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: One Done http://wn.com/Rib_(aircraft) (Rick Holland)
11. 12:18 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Jerry Dotson)
12. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Kimball Isaac)
13. 02:55 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Jerry Dotson)
14. 03:46 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (pineymb)
15. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (shad bell)
16. 04:57 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Jerry Dotson)
17. 06:13 PM - Re: Piets-GN1s (crazyivan)
18. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Clif Dawson)
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Malcom,I used Ceconite 101&102 with the Stewart System.Stitched it all with the
Staggerwing Stitch which is approved with Stewarts.Its very quick and is the
only knot I know of that will pull down easily.dave
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Covering Piet
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Dave,
Very impressive. I really like your large scallops- resembles a bird wing.
Keep up the good work. At this rate you will be flying by spring for sure!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Dave, you might have already posted the answer to this but I missed it --
what paint system are you using?
Chuck
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From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One Done
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> Howdy,got the one wing done and starting on the next.Coming out well.Dave
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Another one -- how can I find out what the stagerwing stitch is and how to
tie it?
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From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 5:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
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> Malcom,I used Ceconite 101&102 with the Stewart System.Stitched it all
> with the Staggerwing Stitch which is approved with Stewarts.Its very quick
> and is the only knot I know of that will pull down easily.dave
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Looking for advise as to what is acceptable for aileron hinges as opposed to using
the strap hinges shown on the drawings. I am considering using three sections
of stainless hinge 2" x 6" long per aileron. Also have the same size in aluminum.
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download their whole manual.The
staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really liking everything they have.Good
stuff.Dave
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Adrian,
Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I would
strongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the
aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderline
ineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge and
get the gap sealed for free.
One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of piano
hinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and broke
my hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I was
inputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and it
really makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. Mike
Cuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine.
Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty
strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger)
MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge
Looking for advise as to what is acceptable for aileron hinges as opposed to
using the strap hinges shown on the drawings. I am considering using three
sections of stainless hinge 2" x 6" long per aileron. Also have the same
size in aluminum.
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Go here http://wn.com/Rib_(aircraft)
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| Subject: | Re: Pat and Mary Hoyt lunch in Sacto |
Ernie,
I will definitely buy you a beer at Brodhead. It's a slow construction
season so I'm planning on getting to the hangar and getting it done.
See you in Brodhead.
Thanks,
Darrel
On 12/29/2010 6:41 PM, Ernie Moreno wrote:
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> Hey Darrel, I would gladly accept a beer from you at Brodhead this
> year. By the way if you need help I might be able later this spring to
> get down there for a week. 23 years and counting.
>
> Ernie Moreno
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel Jones" <wd6bor@vom.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:11 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pat and Mary Hoyt lunch in Sacto
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>> Just got home from lunch in Sacramento with Pat and Mary Hoyt from
>> Minneapolis, arranged by Gary Boothe, and wanted to thank Gary for
>> putting it together. It was great to see Pat and the rest of the
>> crank-busters again and to meet his delightful wife Mary.
>>
>> Several of the bunch are planning on being in Brodhead this year,
>> along with Pat and Mary, so I look forward to seeing everyone again
>> there. People keep asking when I'll get the engine together, so to
>> avoid further humiliation, I'm setting the goal of Brodhead this
>> year, although I won't be flying it back. If not, I suppose I'll have
>> to buy beer for everyone to make amends.
>>
>> Thanks to Jim Boyer for picking me up and driving.
>>
>> Darrel Jones
>> Pfeifer Sport
>> Sonoma, CA
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Great website, weird URL. Thanks
do not archive
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> *Go here http://wn.com/Rib_(aircraft <http://wn.com/Rib_%28aircraft>)*
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
I agree with Jack. I used full length on the tail feathers too.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Jerry
How did you install the hinges on the tail. Any pics
Kim
On 2010-12-30 12:26 PM, "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net> wrote:
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> I agree with Jack. I used full length on the tail feathers too.
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> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
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> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done
> using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
I don't have many pictures. I cut a 1/16" groove in the edges and epoxied 0.060
hinges in the groove. Then I put a pins through it to have an extra margin of
safety just in case the epoxy wants to turn loose. I also made those members
where the hinges go 1/2" wider(front to back) to accommodate cutting the groove
in them. It probably wasn't necessary but if I wear suspenders I wear a belt
also. Thickness is the same as the drawings. I got the slot cutters at Harbor
Freight for use on a router but wound up using my drill press with a fence on
the table so I had better control over it. I will drill the ends of the hinges
and use cotter pins to secure the hinge stainless hinge pin. I tried drilling
the pins but that stainless is hard as woodpecker lips. Don't ask how many
1/16 drills I broke until I finally woke up! There is also angles sawed on them
so they don't bind when moved. Set the saw on 15 degrees and the fence so it
leaves about 1/4" flat. That will let you have 30 degrees movement each way from
center.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Thanks Jack on your advise on the full span piano hinge serving a dual purpose.
Just to clarify, the wings were built by someone else who started the project
and he had used the strap hinges and welded the loops closed causing distortion
and poor alignment of the hinge half's. A gap of 3/8" was maintained between
the aileron beams as per drawings, so to replace the strap hinges with a continuous
piano hinge, I would have to mount the hinge on the flat similar to what
Jerry has done in order to keep the trailing edges of the wing and aileron
aligned due to the existing gap.
Although I would prefer the method used by Mike Cuy (as per his pics on Westcoast
Piet) and I think yours Jack, would there be any structural integrity differences
between the two?
Jerry could you give me the opened size of the hinge if you know it off hand
Thanks again in advance for you inputs.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
You might be able to shim the hinge toward the trailing edge if needed.
--- On Thu, 12/30/10, pineymb <airltd@mts.net> wrote:
From: pineymb <airltd@mts.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
Thanks Jack on your advise on the full span piano hinge serving a dual purp
ose. Just to clarify, the wings were built by someone else who started the
project and he had used the strap hinges and welded the loops closed causin
g distortion and poor alignment of the hinge half's. A gap of 3/8" was main
tained between the aileron beams as per drawings, so to replace the strap h
inges with a continuous piano hinge, I would have to mount the hinge on the
flat similar to what Jerry has done in order to keep the trailing edges of
the wing and aileron aligned due to the existing gap.
Although I would prefer the method used by Mike Cuy (as per his pics on Wes
tcoast Piet) and I think yours Jack, would there be any structural integrit
y differences between the two?
Jerry could you give me the opened size of the hinge if you know it off han
d
Thanks again in advance for you inputs.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
The hinge is 1 1/2 inches wide with a 1/8" pin. I turned the rounded part down
so it would be smooth on top and that made for a 1/4 gap underneath.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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A quick scan of the FAA database shows about 450 Pietenpols registered in the USA.
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Dave
Piper PA-22/20
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
There are cobalt bits available. Here in Canada they can be
had from CrappyTire ( Canadian Tire! ) among others.
These things will drill hard metals. And no, Titanium bits
don't even come close.
Clif
I tried drilling the pins but that stainless is hard as woodpecker lips.
Don't ask how many 1/16 drills I broke until I finally woke up! > Jerry
Dotson
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