---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/30/10: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:31 AM - Re: One Done (Dangerous Dave) 2. 03:15 AM - One done (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:07 AM - Re: One Done (Charles Campbell) 4. 05:14 AM - Re: Re: One Done (Charles Campbell) 5. 05:25 AM - Aileron Hinge (pineymb) 6. 06:48 AM - Re: One Done (Dangerous Dave) 7. 07:00 AM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack Phillips) 8. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: One Done http://wn.com/Rib_(aircraft) (Don Heringhaus) 9. 08:41 AM - Re: Pat and Mary Hoyt lunch in Sacto (Darrel Jones) 10. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: One Done http://wn.com/Rib_(aircraft) (Rick Holland) 11. 12:18 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Jerry Dotson) 12. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Kimball Isaac) 13. 02:55 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Jerry Dotson) 14. 03:46 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (pineymb) 15. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (shad bell) 16. 04:57 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (Jerry Dotson) 17. 06:13 PM - Re: Piets-GN1s (crazyivan) 18. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done From: "Dangerous Dave" Malcom,I used Ceconite 101&102 with the Stewart System.Stitched it all with the Staggerwing Stitch which is approved with Stewarts.Its very quick and is the only knot I know of that will pull down easily.dave -------- Covering Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324995#324995 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: One done From: helspersew@aol.com Dave, Very impressive. I really like your large scallops- resembles a bird wing. Keep up the good work. At this rate you will be flying by spring for sure! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:43 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One Done Dave, you might have already posted the answer to this but I missed it -- what paint system are you using? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dangerous Dave" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: One Done > > Howdy,got the one wing done and starting on the next.Coming out well.Dave > > -------- > Covering Piet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324949#324949 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_29_14_37_47_828_200.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_12_29_12_37_58_179_166.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:40 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done Another one -- how can I find out what the stagerwing stitch is and how to tie it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dangerous Dave" Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 5:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done > > Malcom,I used Ceconite 101&102 with the Stewart System.Stitched it all > with the Staggerwing Stitch which is approved with Stewarts.Its very quick > and is the only knot I know of that will pull down easily.dave > > -------- > Covering Piet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324995#324995 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge From: "pineymb" Looking for advise as to what is acceptable for aileron hinges as opposed to using the strap hinges shown on the drawings. I am considering using three sections of stainless hinge 2" x 6" long per aileron. Also have the same size in aluminum. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325004#325004 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done From: "Dangerous Dave" Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download their whole manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really liking everything they have.Good stuff.Dave -------- Covering Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325011#325011 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:09 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge Adrian, Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I would strongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderline ineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge and get the gap sealed for free. One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of piano hinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and broke my hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I was inputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and it really makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. Mike Cuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine. Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger) MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinge Looking for advise as to what is acceptable for aileron hinges as opposed to using the strap hinges shown on the drawings. I am considering using three sections of stainless hinge 2" x 6" long per aileron. Also have the same size in aluminum. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325004#325004 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:26 AM PST US From: "Don Heringhaus" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done http://wn.com/Rib_(aircraft) Go here http://wn.com/Rib_(aircraft) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:20 AM PST US From: Darrel Jones Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pat and Mary Hoyt lunch in Sacto Ernie, I will definitely buy you a beer at Brodhead. It's a slow construction season so I'm planning on getting to the hangar and getting it done. See you in Brodhead. Thanks, Darrel On 12/29/2010 6:41 PM, Ernie Moreno wrote: > > > Hey Darrel, I would gladly accept a beer from you at Brodhead this > year. By the way if you need help I might be able later this spring to > get down there for a week. 23 years and counting. > > Ernie Moreno > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel Jones" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:11 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pat and Mary Hoyt lunch in Sacto > > >> >> Just got home from lunch in Sacramento with Pat and Mary Hoyt from >> Minneapolis, arranged by Gary Boothe, and wanted to thank Gary for >> putting it together. It was great to see Pat and the rest of the >> crank-busters again and to meet his delightful wife Mary. >> >> Several of the bunch are planning on being in Brodhead this year, >> along with Pat and Mary, so I look forward to seeing everyone again >> there. People keep asking when I'll get the engine together, so to >> avoid further humiliation, I'm setting the goal of Brodhead this >> year, although I won't be flying it back. If not, I suppose I'll have >> to buy beer for everyone to make amends. >> >> Thanks to Jim Boyer for picking me up and driving. >> >> Darrel Jones >> Pfeifer Sport >> Sonoma, CA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done http://wn.com/Rib_(aircraft) From: Rick Holland Great website, weird URL. Thanks do not archive On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Don Heringhaus wrote: > *Go here http://wn.com/Rib_(aircraft )* > ** > > ** > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge From: "Jerry Dotson" I agree with Jack. I used full length on the tail feathers too. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325046#325046 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/r_aileron_8x6_932.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge From: Kimball Isaac Jerry How did you install the hinges on the tail. Any pics Kim On 2010-12-30 12:26 PM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: jdotson@centurylink.net> > > I agree with Jack. I used full length on the tail feathers too. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > wing, tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325046#325046 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/r_aileron_8x6_932.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge From: "Jerry Dotson" I don't have many pictures. I cut a 1/16" groove in the edges and epoxied 0.060 hinges in the groove. Then I put a pins through it to have an extra margin of safety just in case the epoxy wants to turn loose. I also made those members where the hinges go 1/2" wider(front to back) to accommodate cutting the groove in them. It probably wasn't necessary but if I wear suspenders I wear a belt also. Thickness is the same as the drawings. I got the slot cutters at Harbor Freight for use on a router but wound up using my drill press with a fence on the table so I had better control over it. I will drill the ends of the hinges and use cotter pins to secure the hinge stainless hinge pin. I tried drilling the pins but that stainless is hard as woodpecker lips. Don't ask how many 1/16 drills I broke until I finally woke up! There is also angles sawed on them so they don't bind when moved. Set the saw on 15 degrees and the fence so it leaves about 1/4" flat. That will let you have 30 degrees movement each way from center. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325055#325055 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/elev_close_8x6_652.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/elevator_hinge_8x6_124.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge From: "pineymb" Thanks Jack on your advise on the full span piano hinge serving a dual purpose. Just to clarify, the wings were built by someone else who started the project and he had used the strap hinges and welded the loops closed causing distortion and poor alignment of the hinge half's. A gap of 3/8" was maintained between the aileron beams as per drawings, so to replace the strap hinges with a continuous piano hinge, I would have to mount the hinge on the flat similar to what Jerry has done in order to keep the trailing edges of the wing and aileron aligned due to the existing gap. Although I would prefer the method used by Mike Cuy (as per his pics on Westcoast Piet) and I think yours Jack, would there be any structural integrity differences between the two? Jerry could you give me the opened size of the hinge if you know it off hand Thanks again in advance for you inputs. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325057#325057 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:13 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge You might be able to shim the hinge toward the trailing edge if needed. --- On Thu, 12/30/10, pineymb wrote: From: pineymb Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Thanks Jack on your advise on the full span piano hinge serving a dual purp ose. Just to clarify, the wings were built by someone else who started the project and he had used the strap hinges and welded the loops closed causin g distortion and poor alignment of the hinge half's. A gap of 3/8" was main tained between the aileron beams as per drawings, so to replace the strap h inges with a continuous piano hinge, I would have to mount the hinge on the flat similar to what Jerry has done in order to keep the trailing edges of the wing and aileron aligned due to the existing gap. Although I would prefer the method used by Mike Cuy (as per his pics on Wes tcoast Piet) and I think yours Jack, would there be any structural integrit y differences between the two? Jerry could you give me the opened size of the hinge if you know it off han d Thanks again in advance for you inputs. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325057#325057 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge From: "Jerry Dotson" The hinge is 1 1/2 inches wide with a 1/8" pin. I turned the rounded part down so it would be smooth on top and that made for a 1/4 gap underneath. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325061#325061 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets-GN1s From: "crazyivan" A quick scan of the FAA database shows about 450 Pietenpols registered in the USA. -------- Dave Piper PA-22/20 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325066#325066 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:10 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge There are cobalt bits available. Here in Canada they can be had from CrappyTire ( Canadian Tire! ) among others. These things will drill hard metals. And no, Titanium bits don't even come close. Clif I tried drilling the pins but that stainless is hard as woodpecker lips. Don't ask how many 1/16 drills I broke until I finally woke up! > Jerry Dotson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.