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1. 03:13 AM - Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Jack)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: One Done (Charles Campbell)
3. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack Phillips)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: One Done (CJ Borsuk)
5. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: One Done (Gboothe5)
6. 06:53 AM - Re: One Done (Jerry Dotson)
7. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: One Done (Charles Campbell)
8. 09:28 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Jack)
9. 10:40 AM - Re: Aileron Hinge (pineymb)
10. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack Phillips)
11. 01:57 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (womenfly2)
12. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Chris)
13. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: One Done (Clif Dawson)
14. 10:02 PM - Happy 2011 may 2010 go directly to well thats another story typical JR Rant (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
15. 10:03 PM - 2011 (echobravo4)
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| Subject: | Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings |
In the attached photo you really can't see that the lower and side gear
fittings are slanted to one side. Did others build with this slant? (I
believe Dave did) If so does it angle in to between the struts? So the
front one would slant back and the rear would slant forward? For the side
fitting, the bend is actually cut into the rectangle portion. Is this so a
larger portion of the side bracket can be welded to the bottom plate. I
also assume this cut and bend are the reasons the cross section drawing (top
right) looks like there are actually two pieces to the side fitting welded
to the bottom plate. Sorry I can't be more clear with this. I've combed
the archives and pictures but still don't have a good understanding how it
all goes together. I would appreciate any pictures that would help with my
confusion. Feel free to send to my email directly so we don't litter the
list.
Thanks and have a great safe New Year!
Jack
DSM
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Dave, I couldn't find anything on the Stewart home page about a manual. How
do I get to the manual link?
Chuck
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From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
>
> Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download their whole
> manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really liking
> everything they have.Good stuff.Dave
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> Covering Piet
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Adrian,
Can you provide a picture? I think you should be able to make shims of
spruce that you could add to the spars to take up the space. As long as the
bolts that attach the piano hinges go through the spars it should not be an
issue.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
Thanks Jack on your advise on the full span piano hinge serving a dual
purpose. Just to clarify, the wings were built by someone else who started
the project and he had used the strap hinges and welded the loops closed
causing distortion and poor alignment of the hinge half's. A gap of 3/8" was
maintained between the aileron beams as per drawings, so to replace the
strap hinges with a continuous piano hinge, I would have to mount the hinge
on the flat similar to what Jerry has done in order to keep the trailing
edges of the wing and aileron aligned due to the existing gap.
Although I would prefer the method used by Mike Cuy (as per his pics on
Westcoast Piet) and I think yours Jack, would there be any structural
integrity differences between the two?
Jerry could you give me the opened size of the hinge if you know it off hand
Thanks again in advance for you inputs.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Hi Chuck,
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Here you go. Just downloaded it last night.
Chuck BorsukRaleigh NC
--- On Fri, 12/31/10, Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
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Dave, I couldn't find anything on the Stewart home page about a manual.-
How
do I get to the manual link?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
>
> Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download their whole
> manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really liking
> everything they have.Good stuff.Dave
>
> --------
> Covering Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325011#325011
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Charles,
If you go to the website (follow this link:
http://www.stewartsystems.aero/support.aspx), you will see the manual listed
under "Download Files", about 8 down in the list.
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Dave, I couldn't find anything on the Stewart home page about a manual. How
do I get to the manual link?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
>
> Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download their whole
> manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really liking
> everything they have.Good stuff.Dave
>
> --------
> Covering Piet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325011#325011
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Here 'tis
http://www.stewartsystems.aero/support.aspx
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Thank you. Found it and saved it to my computer. I'll look for the
Stagger Wing knot.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: CJ Borsuk
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
Hi Chuck,
Here you go. Just downloaded it last night.
Chuck Borsuk
Raleigh NC
--- On Fri, 12/31/10, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 7:59 AM
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Dave, I couldn't find anything on the Stewart home page about
a manual. How
do I get to the manual link?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor@aol.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
<dsornbor@aol.com>
>
> Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download
their whole
> manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really
liking
> everything they have.Good stuff.Dave
>
> --------
> Covering Piet
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325011#325011
>
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d Get Some AWESOME FREE sp; -Matt Dralle, List
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| Subject: | Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings |
Kevin,
Thanks for the offer but don't sweat it. I'm dwelling on the minutiae. I
do appreciate your offer.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 5:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Additional questions regarding split axle
gear fittings
In the attached photo you really can't see that the lower and side gear
fittings are slanted to one side. Did others build with this slant? (I
believe Dave did) If so does it angle in to between the struts? So the
front one would slant back and the rear would slant forward? For the side
fitting, the bend is actually cut into the rectangle portion. Is this so a
larger portion of the side bracket can be welded to the bottom plate. I
also assume this cut and bend are the reasons the cross section drawing (top
right) looks like there are actually two pieces to the side fitting welded
to the bottom plate. Sorry I can't be more clear with this. I've combed
the archives and pictures but still don't have a good understanding how it
all goes together. I would appreciate any pictures that would help with my
confusion. Feel free to send to my email directly so we don't litter the
list.
Thanks and have a great safe New Year!
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Jack
Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully show enough
detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious overkill
in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to the welding
of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up various strap
hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light strap which I perceive
to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" as opposed to the 2.5"
wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would involve
adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your opinion would
the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam to have a
flat surface for the fabric finish?
Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and would like
to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them offline
if you prefer.
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Hi Adrian,
I would probably glue a strip of 1/8" plywood the fell length of the spars
to give a smooth covering surface, as you suggested. The weight is not
significant (and certainly less than those moster hinges and bolts you are
replacing).
I really don't have any pictures that show that part of my wing. I built
the wing and ailerons before I got a digital camera and didn't record that
portion of the project very well. I'm sure Chris Tracy must have some on
his website.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
Jack
Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully show
enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious
overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to the
welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light strap
which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" as
opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would
involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your opinion
would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam
to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and would
like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them
offline if you prefer.
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
You can check out my web site, see below.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Adrian
Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges
Jack's web page is
http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are duplicates
of his page.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp
g
Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of how
he instilled them.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the
website yet.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
Jack
Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully show
enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious
overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to the
welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light strap
which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" as
opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would
involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your opinion
would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam
to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and would
like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them
offline if you prefer.
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OsIBk_RWQY&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw3rrsuma3c&feature=related
There's a whole bunch of other neat stitch stuff to click
on here too here too
I prefer watching here because my Old Slow Computer
will only smoothly run vids at 240p which I can choose
here.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
Thank you. Found it and saved it to my computer. I'll look for the
Stagger Wing knot.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: CJ Borsuk
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
Hi Chuck,
Here you go. Just downloaded it last night.
Chuck Borsuk
Raleigh NC
--- On Fri, 12/31/10, Charles Campbell
<cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 7:59 AM
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Dave, I couldn't find anything on the Stewart home page
about a manual. How
do I get to the manual link?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor@aol.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done
<dsornbor@aol.com>
>
> Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download
their whole
> manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really
liking
> everything they have.Good stuff.Dave
>
> --------
> Covering Piet
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325011#325011
>
>
>
>
>
>
d Get Some AWESOME FREE sp; -Matt Dralle, List
?Pietenpol-List"
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpbsp;
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| Subject: | Happy 2011 may 2010 go directly to well thats another |
story typical JR Rant
My friends,
It is with great optimism that I look forward to 2011 with the relief and
healing it may bring to so many of us. I must admit and in all honesty and
humility that I for one have no desire to repeat or relive any part of the
2010 year which can only be remembered as the year filled with great sorrow
and pain broken only by the spares few good times, only to be paid for by
more sorrow. I say good riddance to 2010 may it never rear its ugly head
again or be repeated by any other year capable of brining with it so much
disparity, suffering and disappointment to myself and the so many others that
have lost loved ones,security,homes,income,health&well being, their futures
and the futures of their children. 2010 has been an ugly year for many of
us.
We can only hope that healing is just around the corner and be truly
thankful for our family, friends and that we live and share in the bounty of
this great country the one that God has seen fit to smile upon for so many
years.
2010 may you go directly to, well that's another story, just please be gone
for ever and don't come back. Having brought 2010 to a close, I can only
wish you all a safe, healthy and prosperous 2011.
Happy New Year to All
John
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Just thought I would wish everybody a HAPPY NEW YEAR!
do not archive
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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