---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/31/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:13 AM - Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Jack) 2. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: One Done (Charles Campbell) 3. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack Phillips) 4. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: One Done (CJ Borsuk) 5. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: One Done (Gboothe5) 6. 06:53 AM - Re: One Done (Jerry Dotson) 7. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: One Done (Charles Campbell) 8. 09:28 AM - Re: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings (Jack) 9. 10:40 AM - Re: Aileron Hinge (pineymb) 10. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack Phillips) 11. 01:57 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge (womenfly2) 12. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Chris) 13. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: One Done (Clif Dawson) 14. 10:02 PM - Happy 2011 may 2010 go directly to well thats another story typical JR Rant (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 15. 10:03 PM - 2011 (echobravo4) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:45 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings In the attached photo you really can't see that the lower and side gear fittings are slanted to one side. Did others build with this slant? (I believe Dave did) If so does it angle in to between the struts? So the front one would slant back and the rear would slant forward? For the side fitting, the bend is actually cut into the rectangle portion. Is this so a larger portion of the side bracket can be welded to the bottom plate. I also assume this cut and bend are the reasons the cross section drawing (top right) looks like there are actually two pieces to the side fitting welded to the bottom plate. Sorry I can't be more clear with this. I've combed the archives and pictures but still don't have a good understanding how it all goes together. I would appreciate any pictures that would help with my confusion. Feel free to send to my email directly so we don't litter the list. Thanks and have a great safe New Year! Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:40 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done Dave, I couldn't find anything on the Stewart home page about a manual. How do I get to the manual link? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dangerous Dave" Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done > > Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download their whole > manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really liking > everything they have.Good stuff.Dave > > -------- > Covering Piet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325011#325011 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:25 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Adrian, Can you provide a picture? I think you should be able to make shims of spruce that you could add to the spars to take up the space. As long as the bolts that attach the piano hinges go through the spars it should not be an issue. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Thanks Jack on your advise on the full span piano hinge serving a dual purpose. Just to clarify, the wings were built by someone else who started the project and he had used the strap hinges and welded the loops closed causing distortion and poor alignment of the hinge half's. A gap of 3/8" was maintained between the aileron beams as per drawings, so to replace the strap hinges with a continuous piano hinge, I would have to mount the hinge on the flat similar to what Jerry has done in order to keep the trailing edges of the wing and aileron aligned due to the existing gap. Although I would prefer the method used by Mike Cuy (as per his pics on Westcoast Piet) and I think yours Jack, would there be any structural integrity differences between the two? Jerry could you give me the opened size of the hinge if you know it off hand Thanks again in advance for you inputs. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325057#325057 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:42 AM PST US From: CJ Borsuk Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done Hi Chuck, - Here you go. Just downloaded it last night. Chuck BorsukRaleigh NC --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Charles Campbell wrote: From: Charles Campbell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done ream.net> Dave, I couldn't find anything on the Stewart home page about a manual.- How do I get to the manual link? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dangerous Dave" Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done > > Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download their whole > manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really liking > everything they have.Good stuff.Dave > > -------- > Covering Piet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325011#325011 > > > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:45 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done Charles, If you go to the website (follow this link: http://www.stewartsystems.aero/support.aspx), you will see the manual listed under "Download Files", about 8 down in the list. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Campbell Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 5:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done Dave, I couldn't find anything on the Stewart home page about a manual. How do I get to the manual link? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dangerous Dave" Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done > > Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download their whole > manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really liking > everything they have.Good stuff.Dave > > -------- > Covering Piet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325011#325011 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done From: "Jerry Dotson" Here 'tis http://www.stewartsystems.aero/support.aspx -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 wing, tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325094#325094 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:48 AM PST US From: "Charles Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done Thank you. Found it and saved it to my computer. I'll look for the Stagger Wing knot. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: CJ Borsuk To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done Hi Chuck, Here you go. Just downloaded it last night. Chuck Borsuk Raleigh NC --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Charles Campbell wrote: From: Charles Campbell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 7:59 AM Dave, I couldn't find anything on the Stewart home page about a manual. How do I get to the manual link? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dangerous Dave" To: Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done > > Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download their whole > manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really liking > everything they have.Good stuff.Dave > > -------- > Covering Piet > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325011#325011 > > > > > > d Get Some AWESOME FREE sp; -Matt Dralle, List ?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpbsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -===== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:53 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings Kevin, Thanks for the offer but don't sweat it. I'm dwelling on the minutiae. I do appreciate your offer. Jack DSM Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 5:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings In the attached photo you really can't see that the lower and side gear fittings are slanted to one side. Did others build with this slant? (I believe Dave did) If so does it angle in to between the struts? So the front one would slant back and the rear would slant forward? For the side fitting, the bend is actually cut into the rectangle portion. Is this so a larger portion of the side bracket can be welded to the bottom plate. I also assume this cut and bend are the reasons the cross section drawing (top right) looks like there are actually two pieces to the side fitting welded to the bottom plate. Sorry I can't be more clear with this. I've combed the archives and pictures but still don't have a good understanding how it all goes together. I would appreciate any pictures that would help with my confusion. Feel free to send to my email directly so we don't litter the list. Thanks and have a great safe New Year! Jack DSM <<...>> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge From: "pineymb" Jack Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully show enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to the welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light strap which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" as opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your opinion would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and would like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them offline if you prefer. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:01 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Hi Adrian, I would probably glue a strip of 1/8" plywood the fell length of the spars to give a smooth covering surface, as you suggested. The weight is not significant (and certainly less than those moster hinges and bolts you are replacing). I really don't have any pictures that show that part of my wing. I built the wing and ailerons before I got a digital camera and didn't record that portion of the project very well. I'm sure Chris Tracy must have some on his website. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 1:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Jack Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully show enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to the welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light strap which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" as opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your opinion would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and would like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them offline if you prefer. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge From: "womenfly2" You can check out my web site, see below. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325143#325143 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:08 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Adrian Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges Jack's web page is http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom. Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are duplicates of his page. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp g Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of how he instilled them. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the website yet. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge Jack Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully show enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to the welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light strap which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25" as opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures. Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your opinion would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam to have a flat surface for the fabric finish? Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and would like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them offline if you prefer. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:20 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OsIBk_RWQY&feature=player_embedded#! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw3rrsuma3c&feature=related There's a whole bunch of other neat stitch stuff to click on here too here too I prefer watching here because my Old Slow Computer will only smoothly run vids at 240p which I can choose here. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Campbell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done Thank you. Found it and saved it to my computer. I'll look for the Stagger Wing knot. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: CJ Borsuk To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done Hi Chuck, Here you go. Just downloaded it last night. Chuck Borsuk Raleigh NC --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Charles Campbell wrote: From: Charles Campbell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 7:59 AM Dave, I couldn't find anything on the Stewart home page about a manual. How do I get to the manual link? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dangerous Dave" To: Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: One Done > > Chuck go to Stewart Systems website and you can download their whole > manual.The staggerwing page is toward the end.I am really liking > everything they have.Good stuff.Dave > > -------- > Covering Piet > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325011#325011 > > > > > > d Get Some AWESOME FREE sp; -Matt Dralle, List ?Pietenpol-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpbsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -===== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:53 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Happy 2011 may 2010 go directly to well thats another story typical JR Rant My friends, It is with great optimism that I look forward to 2011 with the relief and healing it may bring to so many of us. I must admit and in all honesty and humility that I for one have no desire to repeat or relive any part of the 2010 year which can only be remembered as the year filled with great sorrow and pain broken only by the spares few good times, only to be paid for by more sorrow. I say good riddance to 2010 may it never rear its ugly head again or be repeated by any other year capable of brining with it so much disparity, suffering and disappointment to myself and the so many others that have lost loved ones,security,homes,income,health&well being, their futures and the futures of their children. 2010 has been an ugly year for many of us. We can only hope that healing is just around the corner and be truly thankful for our family, friends and that we live and share in the bounty of this great country the one that God has seen fit to smile upon for so many years. 2010 may you go directly to, well that's another story, just please be gone for ever and don't come back. Having brought 2010 to a close, I can only wish you all a safe, healthy and prosperous 2011. Happy New Year to All John ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2011 From: "echobravo4" Just thought I would wish everybody a HAPPY NEW YEAR! do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. 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