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1. 02:26 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Charles Campbell)
2. 03:49 AM - Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack)
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4. 04:52 AM - Re: My new logo (Jack Phillips)
5. 05:20 AM - Re: My new logo (Jack)
6. 05:29 AM - Re: My new logo (Gene & Tammy)
7. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Charles Campbell)
8. 06:12 AM - Re: My new logo (Charles Campbell)
9. 06:15 AM - Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Charles Campbell)
10. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Aileron Hinge (Jack)
11. 07:40 AM - Re: My new logo (Gboothe5)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer comes
up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct
links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> Adrian
>
> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges
> Jack's web page is
> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
>
> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are duplicates
> of his page.
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp
> g
>
> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of how
> he instilled them.
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>
> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the
> website yet.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
>
> Jack
>
> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully
> show
> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious
> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to
> the
> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light
> strap
> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25"
> as
> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
>
> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would
> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your
> opinion
> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam
> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
>
> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and
> would
> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them
> offline if you prefer.
>
> --------
> Adrian M
> Winnipeg, MB
> Canada
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Charles,
Not sure but this just worked for me
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
Jack
DSM
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer comes
up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct
links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> Adrian
>
> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges
> Jack's web page is
> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
>
> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are duplicates
> of his page.
>
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg
>
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp
> g
>
> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of how
> he instilled them.
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>
> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the
> website yet.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
>
> Jack
>
> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully
> show
> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious
> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to
> the
> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light
> strap
> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25"
> as
> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
>
> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned would
> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your
> opinion
> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the beam
> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
>
> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and
> would
> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward them
> offline if you prefer.
>
> --------
> Adrian M
> Winnipeg, MB
> Canada
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg
>
>
>
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Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here)
Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in
the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a
dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just recall
ing it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing, so c
oncluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font, so
I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was pu
blished in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something i
n there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail plan
es and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that era,
of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what I
was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of the
correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters o
ut on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I
took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT
.) and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I tape
d the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transf
er the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to hand
-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side with
yellow.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Nice to meet you, Mr. Loensloe. Perhaps we may fly together some day.
Looks good, Dan
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet, S.O.S. Mayday Model"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 7:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo
Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here)
Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in
the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a
dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just
recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing,
so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font,
so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was
published in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something
in there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail
planes and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that
era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what
I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of
the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters
out on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I
took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.)
and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped
the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transfer
the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to
hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side
with yellow.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Fantastic Dan, A Great New Year to you!
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo
Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here)
Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in
the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a
dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just
recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing,
so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font,
so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was
published in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something
in there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail
planes and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that
era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what
I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of
the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters
out on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I
took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.)
and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped
the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transfer
the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to
hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side
with yellow.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Love it!!
Gene in Beautiful Tennessee (hope to get some air under my wings this
afternoon)
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
OK, worked for me this time. I guess the server just wasn't ready as early
as I was!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> Charles,
> Not sure but this just worked for me
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
> Jack
> DSM
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Campbell
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>
> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer
> comes
> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct
> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
>
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges
>> Jack's web page is
>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
>>
>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are
>> duplicates
>> of his page.
>>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg
>>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp
>> g
>>
>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of
>> how
>> he instilled them.
>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>>
>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the
>> website yet.
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, Ca
>> Westcoastpiet.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully
>> show
>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious
>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to
>> the
>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light
>> strap
>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25"
>> as
>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
>>
>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned
>> would
>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your
>> opinion
>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the
>> beam
>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
>>
>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and
>> would
>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward
>> them
>> offline if you prefer.
>>
>> --------
>> Adrian M
>> Winnipeg, MB
>> Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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That's good. Happy New Year!
Don't know if this went out the first time, but here it is again.
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 7:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo
Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here)
Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has
been in the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one
night in a dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and
was just recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up
with nothing, so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a
true period font, so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts
from Amazon that was published in about 1930. You would have thought
that I could find something in there that I liked, but no. So I did some
searches of early air mail planes and found a photo from the Chicago
Tribune photo archives from that era, of an air mail plane with some
lettering on it. This was precisely what I was looking for. So at that
point I hand-drew all the needed letters of the correct sizes, and cut
them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters out on a piece of
velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I took my
trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.) and
"pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped
the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to
transfer the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand
paint to hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto
either side with yellow.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano
hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate the
aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and
then replace the hinge?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> Charles,
> Not sure but this just worked for me
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
> Jack
> DSM
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Campbell
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>
> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer
> comes
> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct
> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
>
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges
>> Jack's web page is
>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
>>
>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are
>> duplicates
>> of his page.
>>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg
>>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp
>> g
>>
>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of
>> how
>> he instilled them.
>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>>
>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the
>> website yet.
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, Ca
>> Westcoastpiet.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully
>> show
>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious
>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to
>> the
>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light
>> strap
>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25"
>> as
>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
>>
>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned
>> would
>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your
>> opinion
>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the
>> beam
>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
>>
>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and
>> would
>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward
>> them
>> offline if you prefer.
>>
>> --------
>> Adrian M
>> Winnipeg, MB
>> Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00364_978.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00362_197.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00359_105.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinge |
MS24694's can't recall the length. When I do cover the hinges will be
removed. Aileron can be separated from the wing by removing the pin.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
Jack, just wonder what kind of screws/nuts you used to fasten the piano
hinge to the wood spars. do you just pull out the hinge pin to seperate the
aileron from the wing or do you unscrew the hinge, cover everything, and
then replace the hinge?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:46 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> Charles,
> Not sure but this just worked for me
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
> Jack
> DSM
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> Campbell
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:24 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
> <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>
> Chris, apparently the links you sent last night are bad. My computer
> comes
> up with "Page not found" on all three links. Sure you sent the correct
> links or is my computer screwwy? Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 9:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>
>
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> Jack Textor sent some good pictures of his full span aileron hinges
>> Jack's web page is
>> http://www.textors.com/PietProject.htm
>> Look for the hinge pictures near the bottom.
>>
>> Here are a couple of them from my web page but I think they are
>> duplicates
>> of his page.
>>
>
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/9-25-08_006_800x600.jpg
>>
>
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/images/Ailerons_003_800x600.jp
>> g
>>
>> Poke around his picture page on my website and you can see pictures of
>> how
>> he instilled them.
>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jack%20Textor/wing.htm
>>
>> I also did the full span hinges but haven uploaded the pictures to the
>> website yet.
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, Ca
>> Westcoastpiet.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 10:38 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Hinge
>>
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> Went into the shop this morning and took a few pictures which hopefully
>> show
>> enough detail of the aileron hinge setup. As you can see there is serious
>> overkill in the size of the hinges as well as the poor alignment due to
>> the
>> welding of the loops. I stopped by a local hardware store and picked up
>> various strap hinges to use as samples. The plans call for a 3" light
>> strap
>> which I perceive to be the length of one halve and the width being 1.25"
>> as
>> opposed to the 2.5" wide heavy duty hinge as shown in the pictures.
>>
>> Certainly like the idea of a continuous hinge which as you mentioned
>> would
>> involve adding two layers of 1/8" ply to the aileron beams. In your
>> opinion
>> would the width of shim be same as the hinge or the full width of the
>> beam
>> to have a flat surface for the fabric finish?
>>
>> Haven't had any luck finding pictures of you setup so if have any and
>> would
>> like to share them it would be greatly appreciated. You could forward
>> them
>> offline if you prefer.
>>
>> --------
>> Adrian M
>> Winnipeg, MB
>> Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325114#325114
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Dan,
You continue to amaze me! Nice look.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo
Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here)
Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in
the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a
dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just
recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing,
so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font,
so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was
published in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something
in there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail
planes and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that
era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what
I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of
the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters
out on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I
took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.)
and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped
the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transfer
the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to
hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side
with yellow.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Nice job Dan especially for a " black and yellow German" just forflushing
the day away.
Do not archive
John
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-----Original message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 12:41:32 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: My new logo
Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here)
Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has been in
the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one night in a
dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and was just
recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up with nothing,
so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a true period font,
so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts from Amazon that was
published in about 1930. You would have thought that I could find something
in there that I liked, but no. So I did some searches of early air mail
planes and found a photo from the Chicago Tribune photo archives from that
era, of an air mail plane with some lettering on it. This was precisely what
I was looking for. So at that point I hand-drew all the needed letters of
the correct sizes, and cut them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters
out on a piece of velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I
took my trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.)
and "pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped
the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to transfer
the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand paint to
hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto either side
with yellow.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Additional questions regarding split axle gear fittings |
Included some links for my second attempt. The "slanted" version would not
fit and line up with cross pieces. This one is square (.090) but I'm still
not happy with it. Even with relief holes drilled, the 110 degree bend
cracked on the edge. That may not matter after welding heavily but who
knows. Thinking about using .125 4130 for the bottom plate and utilize 2
pieces of .090 for the side fitting. My gear will definitely take a
beating.
Happy New Year All
Jack
DSM
http://textors.com/IMG_7519_1600x1067.jpg
http://textors.com/IMG_7520_1600x1067.jpg
http://textors.com/IMG_7522_1600x1067.jpg
http://textors.com/PietProject.html
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 5:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Additional questions regarding split axle
gear fittings
In the attached photo you really can't see that the lower and side gear
fittings are slanted to one side. Did others build with this slant? (I
believe Dave did) If so does it angle in to between the struts? So the
front one would slant back and the rear would slant forward? For the side
fitting, the bend is actually cut into the rectangle portion. Is this so a
larger portion of the side bracket can be welded to the bottom plate. I
also assume this cut and bend are the reasons the cross section drawing (top
right) looks like there are actually two pieces to the side fitting welded
to the bottom plate. Sorry I can't be more clear with this. I've combed
the archives and pictures but still don't have a good understanding how it
all goes together. I would appreciate any pictures that would help with my
confusion. Feel free to send to my email directly so we don't litter the
list.
Thanks and have a great safe New Year!
Jack
DSM
<<...>>
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By all means. Do it,sounds like the perfect way to start the year off Weight
John
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From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 13:29:47 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My new logo
Love it!!
Gene in Beautiful Tennessee (hope to get some air under my wings this
afternoon)
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| Subject: | New year....Whoopee |
Happy 2011 to all!! I was in the air at 0745 this morning cruising over the
central AR area (no enemy aircraft in sight) drinking a Dr. Pepper in chilly
weather and wondering how things could possibly be any better.
2010 was great with new pursuits, new grandchildren and nice trips with my
first wife . Life is good even with the loss of my father. It was his time to go
and things went smoothly for him and us but it's still a bit sad that one more
WWII fighter pilot gone.
New experiences are on the horizon and I am excited about what's in store. My
plans include Brodhead this year but there are other things that hit around the
same time so logistics might be a little frantic but not impossible.
The Piet is doing fine with the engine work and new head but I still claim the
title of "Tortise of the fleet". Just can't seem to break into the
over-60-mph-cruise regime. I have resigned myself to being happy with what I
have and don't sweat it anymore. It might not be swift but it always gets me
where I intend to go. "The Piet is slow but the sky is patient."
Happy to be above ground and vertical-
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Happy 2011 may 2010 go directly to well thats another |
story
Actually, my 2010 was one of the best years I've had, very few complaints! Bought
"my" GN-1 in May with the intention of using it to build tailwheel time till
I finish my Sonex - then sell GN. Interestingly enough, the wife and I have
had so much fun flying it that I was informed by her last week - by God, we are
not selling "HER" GN - we are going to find a bigger hanger for both planes
instead.
Considering the GN was purchased in lieu of her new car with no complaints... like
I said - it was a great year!
Lorin
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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| Subject: | Re: New year....Whoopee |
What a great paragraph and story . Happy New Year to you Lawrence and looking
forward to meeting you at Brodhead. Gardiner Mason
________________________________
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 12:39:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New year....Whoopee
Happy 2011 to all!! I was in the air at 0745 this morning cruising over the
central AR area (no enemy aircraft in sight) drinking a Dr. Pepper in chilly
weather and wondering how things could possibly be any better.
2010 was great with new pursuits, new grandchildren and nice trips with my
first wife . Life is good even with the loss of my father. It was his time to go
and things went smoothly for him and us but it's still a bit sad that one more
WWII fighter pilot gone.
New experiences are on the horizon and I am excited about what's in store. My
plans include Brodhead this year but there are other things that hit around the
same time so logistics might be a little frantic but not impossible.
The Piet is doing fine with the engine work and new head but I still claim the
title of "Tortise of the fleet". Just can't seem to break into the
over-60-mph-cruise regime. I have resigned myself to being happy with what I
have and don't sweat it anymore. It might not be swift but it always gets me
where I intend to go. "The Piet is slow but the sky is patient."
Happy to be above ground and vertical-
Larry
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I know it's not piet but it's from the period- the movie Pearl- about the youngest
licensed American girl flyer was fun to watch. she was taught by Wiley Post
-maybe partly because 4 of my grandkids are Chickasaw Indians and the movie
was made and distributed by the Chickasaw nation.it's not a truly Hollywood movie-
but a story about a young girl growing up before and during the depression.but
I sure enjoyed watching it with the kids last night. I think I saw it advertised
in the Vintage aircraft magazine but not sure now. I'm hoping it will
encourage my grandkids- especially the girls to try such things.
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| Subject: | Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? |
Plain text this time
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
Subject: Where are you, Mike Glasgow?
Mike Glasgow, where are you located?
Please reply offline to my gmail addy: timwillis01@gmail.com.
Let's correspond. I will try to help re your request.
BTWI am located 30 miles north of Austin, TX.
Tim in central TX
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I love it!
Ken
On Jan 1, 2011, at 7:16 AM, Helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Happy New Year to you all you good people, (no four-flushers here)
>
> Here is my not-quite-finished logo I have been working on. This has
been in the works for about a year in total. After I got this idea one
night in a dream, I thought I surely had seen it before somewhere, and
was just recalling it from what I had seen. So I Googled it and came up
with nothing, so concluded that I had dreamt this up myself. I wanted a
true period font, so I actually bought a used book of the 1929-era fonts
from Amazon that was published in about 1930. You would have thought
that I could find something in there that I liked, but no. So I did some
searches of early air mail planes and found a photo from the Chicago
Tribune photo archives from that era, of an air mail plane with some
lettering on it. This was precisely what I was looking for. So at that
point I hand-drew all the needed letters of the correct sizes, and cut
them out with scissors. Then I laid those letters out on a piece of
velum paper, and traced around them onto the velum. Then I took my
trusty pounce wheel (as suggested on this list by Glenn Thomas, CT.) and
"pounced" out all the letters and circle onto the velum. Then I taped
the velum sheet onto my plane, and used a silver "magic marker" to
transfer the logo onto the side of my fuze. I used "One Shot" brand
paint to hand-paint onto the fuze. Now I will add some bird wings onto
either side with yellow.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> <Logo_2_001.JPG><Logo_711.JPG><Logo 2 002.JPG>
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| Subject: | Amelia (the movie) |
While on the subject of moooooooo-vies, I watched Amelia the othe day, and
low and behold Port Columbus Airport, was in a scene.- The old black and
white original 1920's-30's news reels show a Ford Tri-motor from TAT- air
line taking off with the old terminal building in the background (which is
still there today).- Neat to see local history on the big screen, We used
to taxi down by the old terminal every night to do take-off thrust assuran
ce checks on the jets at work.- About the movie, They had some time perio
d incorrect airplanes in the wrong decade.- They show Amelia flying a Buk
er Jungman in the 1920's, and a few other out of wack timelines.- But all
in all it's a good one to watch to get through the winter months, the raci
ng scenes were from the Pietenpol era.
-
-
Happy new year
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? |
He's in Atlanta, Tim. Get on my facebook. You can find him there.
Happy New Year!
Kevin
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Build Log Survey |
I did a quick search in the forum and didn't see anything on this topic (at least
recently), and I will quickly need to decide what I do for myself shortly,
so I thought I would pose this question to all the experts out there:
What method do you use to keep track of your build log? Is it a software or web
based solution? Old fashioned 3 ring binder? How much did your solution cost
you?
Also, if your build log is accessible via the web, would you be willing to include
a link in your response?
Thanks again for your insight!
Gary Wilson
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| Subject: | Build Log Survey |
Gary,
Mine was (still is) a web site log. I host it myself so no costs other than
an internet connection etc.
Link is http://www.cpc-world.com
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
Sent: Sunday, 2 January 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Build Log Survey
I did a quick search in the forum and didn't see anything on this topic (at
least recently), and I will quickly need to decide what I do for myself
shortly, so I thought I would pose this question to all the experts out
there:
What method do you use to keep track of your build log? Is it a software or
web based solution? Old fashioned 3 ring binder? How much did your
solution cost you?
Also, if your build log is accessible via the web, would you be willing to
include a link in your response?
Thanks again for your insight!
Gary Wilson
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| Subject: | Re: Build Log Survey |
Spiral bound notebook and a pencil.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "gtche98" <gtche98@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 8:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Build Log Survey
>
> I did a quick search in the forum and didn't see anything on this topic
> (at least recently), and I will quickly need to decide what I do for
> myself shortly, so I thought I would pose this question to all the experts
> out there:
>
> What method do you use to keep track of your build log? Is it a software
> or web based solution? Old fashioned 3 ring binder? How much did your
> solution cost you?
>
> Also, if your build log is accessible via the web, would you be willing to
> include a link in your response?
>
> Thanks again for your insight!
>
> Gary Wilson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325248#325248
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow? |
Where in Atlanta Kevin? That is where I live although my piet is in Lagrange.
Happy New Year, Gardiner
Atlantatlanta Kevin
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From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 8:59:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Where are you, Mike Glasgow?
He's in Atlanta, Tim. Get on my facebook. You can find him there.
Happy New Year!
Kevin
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Build Log Survey |
Two things for me- Pen and paper "diary" on a clipboard
and my own website for pics, again in chronological
order.
http://www.clifdawson.ca/
Site cost me $9.50/mo. and there's a lot more than
the Piet on it so it's not so I'm not sure how to relate
the Piet's portion. It would probably be the same if it
was only the Piet on it.
Clif
> What method do you use to keep track of your build log? Is it a software
> or web based solution? Old fashioned 3 ring binder? How much did your
> solution cost you?
>
> Also, if your build log is accessible via the web, would you be willing to
> include a link in your response?
> Gary Wilson
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "pietenpol-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Pietenpol-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Pietenpol-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
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Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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